Placing "Others" menu item at the end of the list

2008-11-10 Thread Djihed Afifi
Hello,

Ref: bug #560119
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=560119

In the main menu under applications, there are a number of entries:
"Accessories", "Others", "Programming", etc...

When translated for Arabic, the word "Others" has the highest order,
and thus by default, it is placed first in the list.

This is less than satisfactory, it would be more logical to have
"Others" at the end of the list, after "Accessories", "Systems tools",
and the rest of them. I've had multiple complaints about this.

One solution is to place "Others" by default at the end of the list
for all languages. Does this seem like a weird solution to you?

Obviously, there is the argument of whether to order them strictly
alphabetically or logically. But for this one menu item "Others", it
seems to me that it is much more logical and appealing to have that
item at the end of the list.

Thoughts?

Djihed
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Re: Placing "Others" menu item at the end of the list

2008-11-10 Thread Fabrício Godoy
I think this change with user panel layout, if user puts panel on below of
screen the first item is not same that default, on top screen.
Maybe is undesirable change menu sort based on default layout, panel on top.

A solution could be reverse sort order when panel is located on below of
screen and each menu item message define a numeric order, as below example:
msgstr "1|Accessories"

Sorry my bad english.

2008/11/10 Djihed Afifi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hello,
>
> Ref: bug #560119
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=560119
>
> In the main menu under applications, there are a number of entries:
> "Accessories", "Others", "Programming", etc...
>
> When translated for Arabic, the word "Others" has the highest order,
> and thus by default, it is placed first in the list.
>
> This is less than satisfactory, it would be more logical to have
> "Others" at the end of the list, after "Accessories", "Systems tools",
> and the rest of them. I've had multiple complaints about this.
>
> One solution is to place "Others" by default at the end of the list
> for all languages. Does this seem like a weird solution to you?
>
> Obviously, there is the argument of whether to order them strictly
> alphabetically or logically. But for this one menu item "Others", it
> seems to me that it is much more logical and appealing to have that
> item at the end of the list.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Djihed
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Re: Placing "Others" menu item at the end of the list

2008-11-10 Thread Vincent Untz
Le lundi 10 novembre 2008, à 12:19 -0200, Fabrício Godoy a écrit :
> I think this change with user panel layout, if user puts panel on below of
> screen the first item is not same that default, on top screen.
> Maybe is undesirable change menu sort based on default layout, panel on top.
> 
> A solution could be reverse sort order when panel is located on below of
> screen and each menu item message define a numeric order, as below example:
> msgstr "1|Accessories"

Reversing the order of the menu items when the panel is at the bottom
has been discussed in multiple bugs. And, well, I've more or less
blocked this since it looks awful in french (at least, to me) and so I
expect that it is similar in at least a few other languages -- and it's
potentially something which depends on your taste...

But this is unrelated to Djihed's question about just moving the "Other"
submenu :-) FWIW, again, in french, moving this submenu sounds weird to
me.

Vincent

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Re: Placing "Others" menu item at the end of the list

2008-11-10 Thread Nikos Charonitakis
2008/11/10 Djihed Afifi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> When translated for Arabic, the word "Others" has the highest order,
> and thus by default, it is placed first in the list.

This happens to Greek too. "Others" takes the highest order and this
is not optimal...

Nikos
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Re: Placing "Others" menu item at the end of the list

2008-11-13 Thread Djihed Afifi
Any more input?


Would anybody else object to the item "Other" being placed at the bottom?

Up to now we're 2 for against Vincent :p

Djihed

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Nikos Charonitakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/11/10 Djihed Afifi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>
>> When translated for Arabic, the word "Others" has the highest order,
>> and thus by default, it is placed first in the list.
>
> This happens to Greek too. "Others" takes the highest order and this
> is not optimal...
>
> Nikos
>
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Re: Placing "Others" menu item at the end of the list

2008-11-13 Thread Gil Forcada
+1 against Vincent ... I mean placing the menu at the bottom :)

Cheers,

El dj 13 de 11 de 2008 a les 12:57 +, en/na Djihed Afifi va
escriure:
> Any more input?
> 
> 
> Would anybody else object to the item "Other" being placed at the bottom?
> 
> Up to now we're 2 for against Vincent :p
> 
> Djihed
> 
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Nikos Charonitakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 2008/11/10 Djihed Afifi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >>
> >> When translated for Arabic, the word "Others" has the highest order,
> >> and thus by default, it is placed first in the list.
> >
> > This happens to Greek too. "Others" takes the highest order and this
> > is not optimal...
> >
> > Nikos
> >
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