Re: Help with collecting keyboard data
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Rui Tiago Cação Matos wrote: >> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:Keyboard_layouts >> >> There may be some layouts for languages you don't have already (albeit >> for OLPC keyboard configs). >> >> You are only looking for XKB layouts? > > We are not particularly looking for more layouts. The current X server > uses the xkeyboard-config[1] database (which already has more stuff > than I'd like) and so that's what GNOME uses. Of course, if there are > layouts missing in there we should add them and if some that are there > currently have bugs they should be fixed. > > [1] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard-config > > I don't know much about OLPC at a technical level so I don't know > which layouts database it uses. But, if it uses a modern X server it's > also probably using xkeyboard-config and that would be why some of the > layouts there are labeled as "OLPC". OLPC builds are basically Fedora spins, the latest packages list includes xkeyboard-config-2.6-5.fc18.noarch There may be some other OLPC specific stuff related to keyboards layouts held in the Fedora koji build system repo somewhere, you would really need to talk to the OLPC devs about that, I'm just a string wrangler for Sugar Labs who occasionally tries to learn some more about keyboards. > What we are looking for is to collect data that allows us to preset a > good default keyboard layout or input method that works for most > people when installing GNOME in a given language/country. That is why I mentioned the OLPC work as they do sometimes target regions not previously on the Linux map and thus get involved in XKB layout design and glibc locale development, etc. > > Are these new XO laptops going to ship the full GNOME desktop, i.e. > including gnome-shell? > >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel OLPC builds have been dual boot with a GNOME desktop for a while now, but I can't say for sure about gnome-shell, I would go along with what Sridhar had to say, he's got a lot of XO laptops deployed in Australia. Sorry I can't give better answers, I would (and did) suggest talking directly to the OLPC devs. cjl ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Help with collecting keyboard data
On 9 January 2013 03:18, Rui Tiago Cação Matos wrote: > I don't know much about OLPC at a technical level so I don't know > which layouts database it uses. But, if it uses a modern X server it's > also probably using xkeyboard-config and that would be why some of the > layouts there are labeled as "OLPC". I believe that's the case. > What we are looking for is to collect data that allows us to preset a > good default keyboard layout or input method that works for most > people when installing GNOME in a given language/country. +1 > Are these new XO laptops going to ship the full GNOME desktop, i.e. > including gnome-shell? Not with full 3D, AFAIK because GNOME's requirements are not compatible with the XO (and many other devices). I believe what's needed from GNOME is proper OpenGL ES (not just OpenGL) support. The XO will probably have to use a proprietary graphics driver, which creates a whole new set of problems. Sridhar ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Help with collecting keyboard data
Hello Chris, On 4 January 2013 16:01, Chris Leonard wrote: > OLPC (and Sugar Labs) get into the keyboard creation business with > some regularity. I see a few "olpc" keyboards on your list, but for a > more complete listing see: > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:Keyboard_layouts > > There may be some layouts for languages you don't have already (albeit > for OLPC keyboard configs). > > You are only looking for XKB layouts? We are not particularly looking for more layouts. The current X server uses the xkeyboard-config[1] database (which already has more stuff than I'd like) and so that's what GNOME uses. Of course, if there are layouts missing in there we should add them and if some that are there currently have bugs they should be fixed. [1] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard-config I don't know much about OLPC at a technical level so I don't know which layouts database it uses. But, if it uses a modern X server it's also probably using xkeyboard-config and that would be why some of the layouts there are labeled as "OLPC". What we are looking for is to collect data that allows us to preset a good default keyboard layout or input method that works for most people when installing GNOME in a given language/country. > With the touchscreen version of the XO laptop (XO-4) due to be > announced any day now (at CES, I think) there is a lot of effort going > into Maliit on-screen keyboard layouts > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Garycmartin/Maliit_Layouts > > With two million XO laptops out there, and given that the OLPC OS is > running the Sugar UI on a GNOME/Fedora stack and offering a GNOME > desktop as a dual-boot option, you'll have to make your own calls > about how important they are to include, but you might want to touch > base with the OLPC devs via On-Screen keyboards like Maliit may use totally different keyboard data depending on how they work. Maliit in particular has been discussed in the past for GNOME but we ended up not using it for technical reasons. Are these new XO laptops going to ship the full GNOME desktop, i.e. including gnome-shell? > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > if there are any questions, if only because by the nature of the OLPC > / Sugar Labs mission, we deal with some "exotic" language options and > collaborate with a lot of language communities just starting to "plant > their flag" on Linux (e.g. new locales, etc.). Sure, that makes sense. There are certainly opportunities for collaboration here. Rui ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Help with collecting keyboard data
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 10:04:46AM +, Allan Day wrote: > Chris Leonard wrote: > > OLPC (and Sugar Labs) get into the keyboard creation business with > > some regularity. I see a few "olpc" keyboards on your list, but for a > > more complete listing see: > > > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:Keyboard_layouts > > Thanks for the list, Chris. We certainly want to be compatible with > OLPC. Rui Matos is the main developer involved. I'll make sure that I > speak to him about the best way to handle this. Thanks. I am the editor of a number of ISO kelyboard standards, and one of the people behind ISO 24757 that is implemented in X. We are trying to collect a sample of national keyboard layouts. best regards keld ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Help with collecting keyboard data
Chris Leonard wrote: > OLPC (and Sugar Labs) get into the keyboard creation business with > some regularity. I see a few "olpc" keyboards on your list, but for a > more complete listing see: > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:Keyboard_layouts Thanks for the list, Chris. We certainly want to be compatible with OLPC. Rui Matos is the main developer involved. I'll make sure that I speak to him about the best way to handle this. Best, Allan ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Help with collecting keyboard data
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Allan Day wrote: > Hi everyone, > > GNOME uses a database that maps keyboard layouts to countries and > languages. This is used to try and guess which layouts will be > interesting to users depending on their country and language. > > Unfortunately, this database has a lot of gaps. To try and fix this, > we are trying to collect information about which keyboard layouts > people use, so we have a more complete database. This will hopefully > let us make better guesses about keyboard layouts. > > It would be great if translation contributors could help us out with > this. It's very simple: just check out the instructions on the > keyboard data wiki page [1] and fill in the table with any information > you might have about which layouts are used. > > This wiki page is still quite new, so just let me know if you have any > problems or are unsure about anything. > > Thanks in advance for you help! > > Allan Day > > [1] https://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/KeyboardData > Dear Allan, OLPC (and Sugar Labs) get into the keyboard creation business with some regularity. I see a few "olpc" keyboards on your list, but for a more complete listing see: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:Keyboard_layouts There may be some layouts for languages you don't have already (albeit for OLPC keyboard configs). You are only looking for XKB layouts? With the touchscreen version of the XO laptop (XO-4) due to be announced any day now (at CES, I think) there is a lot of effort going into Maliit on-screen keyboard layouts http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Garycmartin/Maliit_Layouts With two million XO laptops out there, and given that the OLPC OS is running the Sugar UI on a GNOME/Fedora stack and offering a GNOME desktop as a dual-boot option, you'll have to make your own calls about how important they are to include, but you might want to touch base with the OLPC devs via http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel if there are any questions, if only because by the nature of the OLPC / Sugar Labs mission, we deal with some "exotic" language options and collaborate with a lot of language communities just starting to "plant their flag" on Linux (e.g. new locales, etc.). Warmest Regards, cjl Sugar Labs Translation Team Coordinator ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
