Re: RFC: going to add 2.18 branch

2006-11-07 Thread Gabor Kelemen
Abel Cheung írta:
 Hi all,

 I have done the necessary changes to switch to 2.18 release and
 drop 2.14 branch data form status pages. It's ready for commit.
 If anyway still like 2.14 to be there, please shout aloud, otherwise
 I'll go ahead and commit the change (and pray).

 Abel

   
This week, 2.17.2 is due to be out. Perhaps it's really time to replace 
2.14 with 2.18.
 
Regards

Gabor Kelemen


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Re: RFC: going to add 2.18 branch

2006-11-07 Thread Clytie Siddall


On 07/11/2006, at 9:07 PM, Gabor Kelemen wrote:


Abel Cheung írta:

Hi all,

I have done the necessary changes to switch to 2.18 release and
drop 2.14 branch data form status pages. It's ready for commit.
If anyway still like 2.14 to be there, please shout aloud, otherwise
I'll go ahead and commit the change (and pray).

Abel


This week, 2.17.2 is due to be out. Perhaps it's really time to  
replace

2.14 with 2.18.

That's certainly the way it looks from our POV. However, I'm  
beginning to realize that things may be different for our users.


I've just translated the release-notes for Debian Etch, the new  
Debian system which will be out this December. It proudly announced  
that it included GNOME 2.14 !


I gather Ubuntu did the same. So we're going to receive feedback and  
bug reports on GNOME 2.14 files from a large section of our user- 
base. I don't understand why the distros don't release the current  
GNOME version, but it means we do need to maintain and update what to  
so many users is the latest GNOME: GNOME 2.14.


In effect, that leaves us working actively on three GNOME branches:  
the upcoming version (HEAD or 2.18), the latest release (2.16), and  
what the distros release as the latest release (2.14). :S


from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm  
Việt hóa phần mềm tự do)

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Re: RFC: going to add 2.18 branch

2006-10-07 Thread Abel Cheung
On 10/7/06, Priit Laes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can't we have both 2.18 and 2.14? If the problem is the amount of
 time/power what it takes to generate the statistics - generation
 frequency could be decreased for 2.14 series (once a few days or even a
 week).

Currently all branches are regenerated in one shot, and can't separate
without changes from Carlos' machine. Adding 2.14 basically means
the time required to regenerate everything is multiplied by 1.5, though
I don't really know the impact of additional loading on the machines.
That looks like a black box to me.

Abel

 Keeping things near 100% is easier for me rather than discovering next
 to string freeze that I have lots of modules near 50%.

 PS. Sorry, Wouter, my bad that you were the only one to receive this letter ;)

 Cheers,
 Priit

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Re: RFC: going to add 2.18 branch

2006-10-06 Thread Priit Laes
Ühel kenal päeval, K, 2006-10-04 kell 23:42, kirjutas Wouter Bolsterlee:
 2006-10-04 klockan 21:10 skrev Abel Cheung:
  On 10/5/06, Wouter Bolsterlee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have done the necessary changes to switch to 2.18 release and
drop 2.14 branch data form status pages. It's ready for commit.
If anyway still like 2.14 to be there, please shout aloud, otherwise
I'll go ahead and commit the change (and pray).
   
  It's hard to draw the line here.

Can't we have both 2.18 and 2.14? If the problem is the amount of
time/power what it takes to generate the statistics - generation
frequency could be decreased for 2.14 series (once a few days or even a
week).

Keeping things near 100% is easier for me rather than discovering next
to string freeze that I have lots of modules near 50%.

PS. Sorry, Wouter, my bad that you were the only one to receive this letter ;)

Cheers,
Priit

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Re: RFC: going to add 2.18 branch

2006-10-04 Thread Wouter Bolsterlee
2006-10-04 klockan 19:01 skrev Abel Cheung:
 I have done the necessary changes to switch to 2.18 release and
 drop 2.14 branch data form status pages. It's ready for commit.
 If anyway still like 2.14 to be there, please shout aloud, otherwise
 I'll go ahead and commit the change (and pray).

Please don't remove the gnome-2-14 branches right now. Several large
distributions are shipping this version and sometimes it's useful to have
the translations available from the l10n-status pages when handling
translation issues reported bye users.

  mvrgr, Wouter

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Re: RFC: going to add 2.18 branch

2006-10-04 Thread Abel Cheung
On 10/5/06, Wouter Bolsterlee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have done the necessary changes to switch to 2.18 release and
  drop 2.14 branch data form status pages. It's ready for commit.
  If anyway still like 2.14 to be there, please shout aloud, otherwise
  I'll go ahead and commit the change (and pray).

 Please don't remove the gnome-2-14 branches right now. Several large
 distributions are shipping this version and sometimes it's useful to have
 the translations available from the l10n-status pages when handling
 translation issues reported bye users.

While I agree this is a valid reason to preserve it, here comes another
question: how to decide?

- Ubuntu dapper could be using 2.14 for _3_ straight years
- Mandriva, if following its 1-yr release schedule, may not ship 2.18 at all
- Solaris (well, I don't even know its release schedule)
- ...

It's hard to draw the line here.

Abel




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Re: RFC: going to add 2.18 branch

2006-10-04 Thread Wouter Bolsterlee
2006-10-04 klockan 21:10 skrev Abel Cheung:
 On 10/5/06, Wouter Bolsterlee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I have done the necessary changes to switch to 2.18 release and
   drop 2.14 branch data form status pages. It's ready for commit.
   If anyway still like 2.14 to be there, please shout aloud, otherwise
   I'll go ahead and commit the change (and pray).
 
  Please don't remove the gnome-2-14 branches right now. Several large
  distributions are shipping this version and sometimes it's useful to have
  the translations available from the l10n-status pages when handling
  translation issues reported bye users.
 
 While I agree this is a valid reason to preserve it, here comes another
 question: how to decide?
 
 - Ubuntu dapper could be using 2.14 for _3_ straight years
 - Mandriva, if following its 1-yr release schedule, may not ship 2.18 at all
 - Solaris (well, I don't even know its release schedule)
 - ...
 
 It's hard to draw the line here.

Agreed, those decisions need some thought. However, with 2.16.1 only just
released, having the previous release on the status pages does not seem a
'curiosity for the historicians among us', but rather an overview of 'what
do normal users see right now'.

  mvrgr, Wouter

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