Re: Supported languages in 2.12
Здраво Арангел, Yesterday at 23:42, Арангел Ангов wrote: > I was wondering if I have to notify someone that Macedonian is over > 80%? According to Danilo's weekly stats script and something else I > read I know that all languages that have more that 80% of GNOME > localized are considerd officially supported languages. Do not worry, I'll probably be the one to update the release notes, and they will reflect exactly what happens to be in the latest weekly report (actually, I have daily stats as well, so we can create nice graphs if anyone is interested: check out kvota.net/gnom/stats212.php). Also, note that we MAY exclude gnome-applets/po-locations and gtk+/po-properties for the final count down, since these are not really relevant for "supportedness" measure (i.e. there are 7k locations and rarely we need all of them translated, and gtk+ properties are not shown in any program actually shipped with Gnome). > Just want to make sure that this will be the case with the Macedonian > language. :) I guess we can manually put "mk" into "totally unsupported, don't use ever, statistics are a lie" category just for you :P Cheers, Danilo ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Supported languages in 2.12
Danilo Šegan wrote: Do not worry, I'll probably be the one to update the release notes, Hi again, Danilo, anyone? What happend to this, I was just translating the release notes and gnome tour and I don't see Macedonian there. Currently the translation is 93% and should be up to 100% once I commit the rest of Evolution - should be done till the end of the week. The entry should be - Macedonian (2 million) Thanks. -Arangel ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Supported languages in 2.12
Hi Arangel, Yesterday at 11:07, Арангел Ангов wrote: > Danilo Šegan wrote: > >>Do not worry, I'll probably be the one to update the release notes, >> > Hi again, Please be patient: I'll be updating the notes only once or twice, and I'm going to do that near the end of the cycle, instead of doing it a dozen times. > Danilo, anyone? What happend to this, I was just translating the > release notes and gnome tour and I don't see Macedonian > there. Currently the translation is 93% and should be up to 100% once > I commit the rest of Evolution - should be done till the end of the > week. > > The entry should be - Macedonian (2 million) Ok, just don't worry about it. Cheers, Danilo ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Supported languages in 2.12
Danilo Šegan wrote: Please be patient: I'll be updating the notes only once or twice, and I'm going to do that near the end of the cycle, instead of doing it a dozen times. Just asking. Thanks. Cheers, Arangel ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Supported languages in 2.12
On 24/08/2005, at 4:41 AM, Danilo Šegan wrote: Please be patient: I'll be updating the notes only once or twice, and I'm going to do that near the end of the cycle, instead of doing it a dozen times. Thus coping with several indignant translation teams at once. ;) I don't know if the "supported languages" percentage is calculated over all of Gnome, or, for the release notes, just Gnome 2.12, but I think Vietnamese should also be listed, going by the most recent weekly translation status: Gnome 2.12 21. Vietnamese (vi)96.41% Gnome 2.10 28. Vietnamese (vi)96.86% I'd hate to see all our effort go to waste. ;) World-wide Vietnamese-speaking population: a minimum of 84 million people from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Supported languages in 2.12
Hi Clytie, Today at 12:39, Clytie Siddall wrote: > On 24/08/2005, at 4:41 AM, Danilo Šegan wrote: > >> Please be patient: I'll be updating the notes only once or twice, and >> I'm going to do that near the end of the cycle, instead of doing it a >> dozen times. > > Thus coping with several indignant translation teams at once. ;) Yeah, and you just had to push it :-P > I don't know if the "supported languages" percentage is calculated > over all of Gnome, or, for the release notes, just Gnome 2.12, but I > think Vietnamese should also be listed, going by the most recent > weekly translation status: If it's in the weekly translation status, then it will be in the release notes—I am using exactly the same data for both :) (fwiw, if anyone wants access to entire database with such global statistics as can be seen in weekly stats for a period of more than a year, for instance to create nice graphs of fluctuation of number of supported and partially supported languages, I'd be glad to let them have it — I have data for every day except when there was a problem somewhere :) > I'd hate to see all our effort go to waste. ;) No need to worry at all :) > World-wide Vietnamese-speaking population: a minimum of 84 million > people Just don't make a big fuss out of this figure: I will be using value from http://www.ethnologue.com/14/show_language.asp?code=VIE which is 68 million instead, but if you are going to cause me problems because of this, I will oblige :) It's just a very rough estimate to give human touch to the translation stats, and by no means does it mean that so many people will be able to use the translation (some may not even be able to read, most will not have a computer AND Gnome on it, etc.). Cheers, Danilo ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Supported languages in 2.12
Thanks for your reply, Danilo :) On 24/08/2005, at 10:43 PM, Danilo Šegan wrote: Please be patient: I'll be updating the notes only once or twice, and I'm going to do that near the end of the cycle, instead of doing it a dozen times. Thus coping with several indignant translation teams at once. ;) Yeah, and you just had to push it :-P :D I am innocent, INNOCENT, I tell you! If it's in the weekly translation status, then it will be in the release notes—I am using exactly the same data for both :) Great: you might have saved yourself some mails by saying that in the first post. ;) (fwiw, if anyone wants access to entire database with such global statistics as can be seen in weekly stats for a period of more than a year, for instance to create nice graphs of fluctuation of number of supported and partially supported languages, I'd be glad to let them have it — I have data for every day except when there was a problem somewhere :) That would be cool. :) Not something I can do right now, though. I'd hate to see all our effort go to waste. ;) No need to worry at all :) ;) World-wide Vietnamese-speaking population: a minimum of 84 million people Just don't make a big fuss out of this figure: I will be using value from http://www.ethnologue.com/14/show_language.asp?code=VIE which is 68 million instead, but if you are going to cause me problems because of this, I will oblige :) I thought you wanted population stats. ;) Census July 2005 in Vietnam was 83.5 million, and there are at least half a million Vietnamese people living in other countries, 100 000 of them in Australia with me. :) (Well, not actually in my house: we don't have enough bedrooms.) However, the number of Vietnamese people in Vietnam who have access to computers is pitifully low. :( Increasing rapidly, but still tiny. Outside the homeland, of course, in the sort of countries which take in and support surviving refugees, there is plenty of access. I don't think our community would benefit from the computer-using figures being made public. :( As for causing you problems, I'm a bit busy right now, but anything for a friend... :D It's just a very rough estimate to give human touch to the translation stats, and by no means does it mean that so many people will be able to use the translation (some may not even be able to read, most will not have a computer AND Gnome on it, etc.). Worse still, they may use Windoze! :o (The shame, the shame ... ) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Supported languages in 2.12
Danilo, could you update the supported languages in the release notes today please? Then we can declare the release notes ready for translation at the end of today. Thanks. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Supported languages in 2.12
... and I guess a few teams would appreciate it if gtk+-properties and gnome-applets-locations are removed from the list, since the first one is practically invisible and the second one is barely visible at all (well, only if a Basque or Thai user is really interested in monitoring weather in Africa or South America, that is. I guess the 80% number, which comes from string in the UI, should not be applied to these two. Location names are not *really* in the UI. roozbeh On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 08:49 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > Danilo, could you update the supported languages in the release notes > today please? Then we can declare the release notes ready for > translation at the end of today. Thanks. > ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Supported languages in 2.12
I guess the 80% number, which comes from string in the UI, should not be applied to these two. Location names are not *really* in the UI. And if you want to start a gnome-applets-location-HATERS' group - I am all for it. Locations-schmocations In Bulgaria we are already out of atlases and geographic maps to guess what some cites (and citlets, huts, small villages, military bases, jerk water in the nowhere, etc.) should be translated into. Not to speak of all the crative diacritics - this is a major test of the font rendering engine and glyph sets, is it not? Best regards: al_shopov ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Supported languages in 2.12
On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 14:36 +0430, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: > ... and I guess a few teams would appreciate it if gtk+-properties and > gnome-applets-locations are removed from the list, since the first one > is practically invisible and the second one is barely visible at all > (well, only if a Basque or Thai user is really interested in monitoring > weather in Africa or South America, that is. > > I guess the 80% number, which comes from string in the UI, should not be > applied to these two. Location names are not *really* in the UI. Some other point to add: This is also a very heavy bias (in statistics) toward languages that use the Latin script. Most of these can practically copy most of the names directly for most of the cases, while others like us poor Persian speakers who use the Arabic script (which is not even an alphabet in the European sense, it's technically an abjad) need to find the *pronunciation* of each single place name (some of them are even hard to find on the Internet) and transcribe them. It's something like: If you want to claim that GNOME is translated to your language, you should find a few people with double majors in geography and, say, Spanish. roozbeh ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Supported languages in 2.12
Yesterday at 13:46, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: >> I guess the 80% number, which comes from string in the UI, should not be >> applied to these two. Location names are not *really* in the UI. They are really in the UI, but are not relevant for the most part. At least those 4k US "towns" aren't relevant to the most of the world :) > It's something like: If you want to claim that GNOME is translated to > your language, you should find a few people with double majors in > geography and, say, Spanish. I already mentioned that I will try NOT to count locations and gtk+/properties. Whether I'll do that depends largely on available time and whether I'll dig out the scripts that did that for me before :) Cheers, Danilo ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Supported languages in 2.12
Yesterday at 12:06, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: > ... and I guess a few teams would appreciate it if gtk+-properties and > gnome-applets-locations are removed from the list, since the first one > is practically invisible and the second one is barely visible at all > (well, only if a Basque or Thai user is really interested in monitoring > weather in Africa or South America, that is. Here's a report: http://kvota.net/gnom/show-filtered.php?start=2005-09-01&end=2005-09-01 I have updated the notes now, we'll only be removing a couple of languages which don't make it later on. Cheers, Danilo ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
