Re: damned-lies: move fifth-toe modules in gnome-extra module set
Le mercredi 22 avril 2009 à 10:30 +0200, Luca Ferretti a écrit : The Fifth Toe module set in l10n.gnome.org no longer represents the real status of useful extra application. The latest official release of Fifth Toe was on mid 2003[1], some of that applications are no longer maintaned or developed. So, could we remove this set from l10n, moving its modules in gnome-extra? [1] http://gnome.mirrors.pair.com/GNOME/fifth-toe/2.4/2.4.0/sources/ Done, thanks for the suggestion. Claude ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: damned-lies: move fifth-toe modules in gnome-extra module set
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:49:57 +0200, Claude Paroz cla...@2xlibre.net said: Le mercredi 22 avril 2009 à 10:30 +0200, Luca Ferretti a écrit : The Fifth Toe module set in l10n.gnome.org no longer represents the real status of useful extra application. The latest official release of Fifth Toe was on mid 2003[1], some of that applications are no longer maintaned or developed. So, could we remove this set from l10n, moving its modules in gnome-extra? [1] http://gnome.mirrors.pair.com/GNOME/fifth-toe/2.4/2.4.0/sources/ Done, thanks for the suggestion. Thanks! One more thing, please fix the Release Sets description on DL's front page. ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: damned-lies: move fifth-toe modules in gnome-extra module set
Le samedi 25 avril 2009 à 05:15 -0300, Leonardo Ferreira Fontenelle a écrit : On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:49:57 +0200, Claude Paroz cla...@2xlibre.net said: Le mercredi 22 avril 2009 à 10:30 +0200, Luca Ferretti a écrit : The Fifth Toe module set in l10n.gnome.org no longer represents the real status of useful extra application. The latest official release of Fifth Toe was on mid 2003[1], some of that applications are no longer maintaned or developed. So, could we remove this set from l10n, moving its modules in gnome-extra? [1] http://gnome.mirrors.pair.com/GNOME/fifth-toe/2.4/2.4.0/sources/ Done, thanks for the suggestion. Thanks! One more thing, please fix the Release Sets description on DL's front page. Thanks for noticing. Fixed. Claude ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: damned-lies: move fifth-toe modules in gnome-extra module set
Gil Forcada írta: Hi, El dc 22 de 04 de 2009 a les 10:30 +0200, en/na Luca Ferretti va escriure: The Fifth Toe module set in l10n.gnome.org no longer represents the real status of useful extra application. The latest official release of Fifth Toe was on mid 2003[1], some of that applications are no longer maintaned or developed. So, could we remove this set from l10n, moving its modules in gnome-extra? I agree to remove it too. Also, have anybody seen recently a gnome-office release? My google suggests[1] it is abandoned too. If some of them are no longer maintained why we keep them to being translated at all? I agree to remove the category if it isn't meaningful, but keeping old programs is just counterproductive for translators. How do we define no longer maintained? :) There are already a lot of modules[2], that saw no non-translation commits since years, where years can be 1-2-3... so, how long should we keep modules listed as translatable? I think we can consider a module too old to be worth translating if it has not touched by a maintainer in the last two years - if a module reaches this age, without even a tiny .1 maintenance release message in configure.in, I'd say it's safe to assume that it is practically dead and nobody would see our translations. If it gets a new maintainer, it can be re-added of course. [1]: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Office/Office-Suites/GNOME-Office-3538.shtml - I can't fintd anything newer than this [2]: http://git.gnome.org/cgit/banter/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/cupid/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/drwright/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/eggcups/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/firestarter/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gnome-pkgview/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gnome-jabber/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gnome-torrent/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/libgircclient/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/libgnetwork/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/medusa/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/msm/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/mlview/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/libmimedir/log/ Regards Gabor Kelemen ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: damned-lies: move fifth-toe modules in gnome-extra module set
Hi, El dc 22 de 04 de 2009 a les 12:22 +0200, en/na Luca Ferretti va escriure: 2009/4/22 Gabor Kelemen kelem...@gnome.hu: I agree to remove it too. Also, have anybody seen recently a gnome-office release? My google suggests[1] it is abandoned too. Not as official suite How do we define no longer maintained? :) There are already a lot of modules[2], that saw no non-translation commits since years, where years can be 1-2-3... so, how long should we keep modules listed as translatable? Crazy idea: what about a starring system? Like in Firefox coordinators could make a star twinkle for untranslated or partially tranlated modules they think are more important or urgent. Too much crazy? Not really, but maybe a calendar view with the expected releases of modules would be more useful (i.e. May 7th there will be a tracker release). Of course every module should have a maintainer and he/she would have an UI to set release dates (date and target branch to translate). Then an RSS and/or a mail sent to this list (or coordinator teams) would be enough to have everyone up-to-date. Sounds good? -- gil forcada [ca] guifi.net - una xarxa lliure que no para de créixer [en] guifi.net - a non-stopping free network bloc: http://gil.badall.net ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: damned-lies: move fifth-toe modules in gnome-extra module set
Luca Ferretti írta: Crazy idea: what about a starring system? Like in Firefox coordinators could make a star twinkle for untranslated or partially tranlated modules they think are more important or urgent. Too much crazy? Well, if you want to use this to signal your team which modules to translate, you can create a short comment that will appear on the statistics page of your language[1]. If you want to do this globally, so that all teams would see the same - well, open a bug :). [1]: http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/hu/gnome-extras/ui/ ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: damned-lies: move fifth-toe modules in gnome-extra module set
2009/4/22 Gabor Kelemen kelem...@gnome.hu: I agree to remove it too. Also, have anybody seen recently a gnome-office release? My google suggests[1] it is abandoned too. Not as official suite How do we define no longer maintained? :) There are already a lot of modules[2], that saw no non-translation commits since years, where years can be 1-2-3... so, how long should we keep modules listed as translatable? Crazy idea: what about a starring system? Like in Firefox coordinators could make a star twinkle for untranslated or partially tranlated modules they think are more important or urgent. Too much crazy? ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: damned-lies: move fifth-toe modules in gnome-extra module set
Le mercredi 22 avril 2009 à 12:27 +0200, Gil Forcada a écrit : El dc 22 de 04 de 2009 a les 11:58 +0200, en/na Gabor Kelemen va escriure: Gil Forcada írta: Hi, El dc 22 de 04 de 2009 a les 10:30 +0200, en/na Luca Ferretti va escriure: The Fifth Toe module set in l10n.gnome.org no longer represents the real status of useful extra application. The latest official release of Fifth Toe was on mid 2003[1], some of that applications are no longer maintaned or developed. So, could we remove this set from l10n, moving its modules in gnome-extra? I agree to remove it too. Also, have anybody seen recently a gnome-office release? My google suggests[1] it is abandoned too. If some of them are no longer maintained why we keep them to being translated at all? I agree to remove the category if it isn't meaningful, but keeping old programs is just counterproductive for translators. How do we define no longer maintained? :) There are already a lot of modules[2], that saw no non-translation commits since years, where years can be 1-2-3... so, how long should we keep modules listed as translatable? I think we can consider a module too old to be worth translating if it has not touched by a maintainer in the last two years - if a module reaches this age, without even a tiny .1 maintenance release message in configure.in, I'd say it's safe to assume that it is practically dead and nobody would see our translations. If it gets a new maintainer, it can be re-added of course. Fully agree. Let's wait some days for others to give feedback and at weekend we can remove from l10n.gnome.org those that you mentioned. Translation stats for GNOME modules will not be removed from l10n.gnome.org as long as the module is in the main git repository. We only delete them when the module is retired in the -archive repository. However we can create an obsolete release set which lists these non-actively maintained modules. I just created it and moved one module in it. http://l10n.gnome.org/releases/ Claude [1]: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Office/Office-Suites/GNOME-Office-3538.shtml - I can't fintd anything newer than this [2]: http://git.gnome.org/cgit/banter/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/cupid/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/drwright/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/eggcups/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/firestarter/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gnome-pkgview/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gnome-jabber/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gnome-torrent/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/libgircclient/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/libgnetwork/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/medusa/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/msm/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/mlview/log/ http://git.gnome.org/cgit/libmimedir/log/ Regards Gabor Kelemen ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: damned-lies: move fifth-toe modules in gnome-extra module set
Le mercredi 22 avril 2009 à 12:34 +0200, Gil Forcada a écrit : Hi, El dc 22 de 04 de 2009 a les 12:22 +0200, en/na Luca Ferretti va escriure: 2009/4/22 Gabor Kelemen kelem...@gnome.hu: I agree to remove it too. Also, have anybody seen recently a gnome-office release? My google suggests[1] it is abandoned too. Not as official suite How do we define no longer maintained? :) There are already a lot of modules[2], that saw no non-translation commits since years, where years can be 1-2-3... so, how long should we keep modules listed as translatable? Crazy idea: what about a starring system? Like in Firefox coordinators could make a star twinkle for untranslated or partially tranlated modules they think are more important or urgent. Too much crazy? Not really, but maybe a calendar view with the expected releases of modules would be more useful (i.e. May 7th there will be a tracker release). Of course every module should have a maintainer and he/she would have an UI to set release dates (date and target branch to translate). Then an RSS and/or a mail sent to this list (or coordinator teams) would be enough to have everyone up-to-date. Sounds good? Already filed: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=512537 Claude ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: damned-lies: move fifth-toe modules in gnome-extra module set
Le mercredi 22 avril 2009 à 12:22 +0200, Luca Ferretti a écrit : 2009/4/22 Gabor Kelemen kelem...@gnome.hu: I agree to remove it too. Also, have anybody seen recently a gnome-office release? My google suggests[1] it is abandoned too. Not as official suite How do we define no longer maintained? :) There are already a lot of modules[2], that saw no non-translation commits since years, where years can be 1-2-3... so, how long should we keep modules listed as translatable? Crazy idea: what about a starring system? Like in Firefox coordinators could make a star twinkle for untranslated or partially tranlated modules they think are more important or urgent. Too much crazy? I'm not thrilled at all by such an idea. Too hard to be objective. Trolls ahead... Of course, it could be a mean to obtain some beers from maintainers ;-) Claude ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: damned-lies: move fifth-toe modules in gnome-extra module set
Crazy idea: what about a starring system? Like in Firefox coordinators could make a star twinkle for untranslated or partially tranlated modules they think are more important or urgent. Too much crazy? Not really, but maybe a calendar view with the expected releases of modules would be more useful (i.e. May 7th there will be a tracker release). Of course every module should have a maintainer and he/she would have an UI to set release dates (date and target branch to translate). Then an RSS and/or a mail sent to this list (or coordinator teams) would be enough to have everyone up-to-date. Sounds good? Yes, that sound like en amazing idea. I have been thinking about something similar. My idea was to simply have it posted on the damned lies page. Now that ui and doc have been split out there is more than enough space. Regards Kenneth Nielsen ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: damned-lies: move fifth-toe modules in gnome-extra module set
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:22:02 +0200, Luca Ferretti elle@libero.it said: 2009/4/22 Gabor Kelemen kelem...@gnome.hu: I agree to remove it too. Also, have anybody seen recently a gnome-office release? My google suggests[1] it is abandoned too. Not as official suite I translate GNOME for a couple of years now and GNOME Office and Fifth Toe are obscure names for me (yes, I remember the l10n-stats.gnome.org we had before SVN). Since there are no more releases, it shouldn't hurt to move all those modules to Extras. Do we need to talk to the Release Team before doing that? -- Leonardo Ferreira Fontenelle leonar...@fastmail.fm ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: damned-lies: move fifth-toe modules in gnome-extra module set
[Sorry for sending with the wrong email address before.] On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:22:02 +0200, Luca Ferretti elle@libero.it said: 2009/4/22 Gabor Kelemen kelem...@gnome.hu: I agree to remove it too. Also, have anybody seen recently a gnome-office release? My google suggests[1] it is abandoned too. Not as official suite I translate GNOME for a couple of years now and GNOME Office and Fifth Toe are obscure names for me (yes, I remember the l10n-stats.gnome.org we had before SVN). Since there are no more releases, it shouldn't hurt to move all those modules to Extras. Do we need to talk to the Release Team before doing that? ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: damned-lies: move fifth-toe modules in gnome-extra module set
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:05:19 +0200, Claude Paroz cla...@2xlibre.net said: Translation stats for GNOME modules will not be removed from l10n.gnome.org as long as the module is in the main git repository. We only delete them when the module is retired in the -archive repository. However we can create an obsolete release set which lists these non-actively maintained modules. I just created it and moved one module in it. Apparently the Subversion^WGit repository maintainers use 1.5 years + no reply as a criterion to archive the module. We could use that as a threshold: http://blogs.gnome.org/phomes/2007/12/04/moving-cruft-from-svngnomeorg-to-svn-archivegnomeorg/ Would it be feasible to send modules to the obsolete group automatically after whatever time length we set? ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
