Re: Sound for notification?

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Mon, 2015-11-30 at 18:54 +0100, Donato Marrazzo wrote:
> I see...
> And what about to handle a default sound? When the application does
> not specify it?
> Thank you
I suppose that depends on the sound-theme.  If the active sound-theme
provides audio for generic notifications, you should hear one.
I get audible notifications for incoming mails, alerts etc.  but that
is because I have a sound-theme that provides those.
We were enthusiastic about packaging comprehensive themes for fedora
but that adventure was dampened by the realities of life (https://fedor
aproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Sound)
Regards
Onyeibo (twohot)
> 
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Florian Müllner  > wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Donato Marrazzo
> >  wrote:
> > > I cannot hear any sound when a notification appear.
> > > Is it working as designed?
> > 
> > Yes. The freedesktop notification spec has optional hints to
> > specify a
> > sound when the notification is displayed[0]. We support those
> > hints,
> > so if a sound is specified, and sounds are not disabled for that
> > particular application in notification settings, we play the sound
> > -
> > if either of those is not the case, then there won't be a sound
> > (most
> > likely the former - in my experience, there are very few apps that
> > do
> > specify a sound with notifications).
> > 
> > 
> > [0] https://developer.gnome.org/notification-spec/#hints
> > 
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Workspace Selector is mostly static in Gnomeshell 3.15.9

[Onyeibo Oku]

Good morning

Running Fedora 22 with Gnomeshell 3.15.90 and I'm observing what seems 
to be a regression in the Workspace selector.

I am unable to drag windows unto/out of the selector on the right-
side.  This worked pretty well in previous releases and was helpful 
for rearranging windows into workspaces.

Is this recent behaviour intentional (by design)?  Perhaps I'm missing 
a new gsettings schema entry.

regards
Onyeibo

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What are those scroll dots for?

[Onyeibo Oku]

Hi people,

Its been amazing so far running Gnome 3.12.1.  The interface changes to
nautilus and pop-up dialogues are nice.  I like the idea of buttons
without curves (with colour on hover) and the tabs with coloured lines
(for active ones).  

I see redundant dots at the bottom of the desktop (not in activity
mode).  Its been there since the I updated some weeks ago.  I am running
Fedora Rawhide.  They look like scroll dots (similar to those on
applications grid menu under 'activities'.  Here's an illustration:
http://onyeibo.fastmail.fm/forums/what-is-that%3F.png

Is this a precursor to something exciting or an anomaly?

Regards
Onyeibo

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Re: Overview display

[Onyeibo Oku]

+1 this suggestion has my support

Regards
Onyeibo

On Fri, 2014-02-28 at 08:31 -0600, Marshall Neill wrote:
 Let me start off by again saying the Gnome 3.8 is the best one yet. Really.
 Ok, now for the other shoe.
 When in Overview mode, displaying All applications, would it be possible 
 to place the Categories 1st instead of having to scroll down looking for 
 them.
 Currently on my system I have 5 categories, if memory serves me, and 
 that would fit nicely across the top row.
 Reason for this, well, if you are looking for a game then it would be 
 much faster finding that game without having to scroll and then click.
 I think this might a  welcome addition.
 Perhaps even a Separator to delineate the Categories from Applications.
 What do you think?
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Re: Maximize and Tile Gestures broken in GS-3.10

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 09:06 +0100, Florian Müllner wrote:
  On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Onyeibo Oku twoho...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   It returned false
 
  So for some reason tiling is disabled then. You can check the
 setting using
gsettings get org.gnome.shell.overrides edge-tiling
 
  (or for the classic session: gsettings get
  org.gnome.shell.extensions.classic-overrides edge-tiling).
 
  To change it, run
gsettings reset org.gnome.shell.overrides edge-tiling
  or
gsettings set org.gnome.shell.overrides edge-tiling true (if the
  former doesn't work)
 
 
  Cheers,
  Florian
 
 

Thanks!

It's working now

Regards
Onyeibo
(wondering why it went false)


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Maximize and Tile Gestures broken in GS-3.10

[Onyeibo Oku]

I'm running Fedora 20 (pre-release) and I find I can no longer get a window
to maximize or tile(half) by dragging it to the top or corners
respectively.  It works only when I grab a maximized window out of position
and immediately restore same without releasing the drag session (meanwhile,
this success is only recorded for maximize but not tile)

I'm thinking of filing a bug against gnome-shell, but I'm wondering if this
is not happening by design.

Anyone experiencing this?  What do I do?

Regards
Onyeibo
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Re: Maximize and Tile Gestures broken in GS-3.10

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Sun, 2013-11-03 at 03:47 +0100, Florian Müllner wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Onyeibo Oku twoho...@gmail.com wrote:
  I'm thinking of filing a bug against gnome-shell, but I'm wondering if this
  is not happening by design.
 
 Certainly not, this is expected to work just as in previous versions.
 
 
  Anyone experiencing this?  What do I do?
 
 Could you try the following please?
 
  (1) open the run dialog (altf2)
  (2) enter 'lg' and confirm with enter
  (3) in the drop-down window, type 'Meta.prefs_get_edge_tiling()'
 
 Does the last command return true or false?
 
 Cheers,
 Florian

Good morning Florian,

It returned false

regards
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No transparent terminals in default Gnome 3.8 DE?

[Onyeibo Oku]

Just migrated to GS 3.8 on Fedora 19 (beta)

Its shocking that I cant see activities happening behind overlapping
gnome-terminal windows as before.  Why was this feature removed?  This
one removal really gets my goats

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Re: Libreoffice toolbar using GS extensions

[Onyeibo Oku]

I get the feeling this should be going to LibreOffice list instead and
not Gnome

That said, I believe it would be far better to give LibO a UI that is
intrinsic rather than referencing M$ anomalies.  The ribbon interface is
a failure IMHO.  If its a great idea, then M$ has published a cheap
implementation instead.  I will wholeheartedly vote in favour of status
quo than to see an M$-UI clone in LibO.

So, if you are hungry for change, design something new and more
functional and you'll have my support.  As per Icon theme, I am
currently using LibO-4.0.3 with Faenza, so no special coding is
required.

Finally, please send this to LibreOffice mailing list

Regards
Onyeibo
 

On Sun, 2013-05-19 at 19:28 +0530, Megh Parikh wrote:
 Can a gnome3 extension be developed with a ms office ribbon like/ a
 very customizable HTML interface which uses dbus for communication
 with libreoffice applications ??
 
 It can have a dropdown thing like drop down terminal extension of
 gnome3, a drop down should open whenever libreoffice is opened.
 
 It can also have tabs using sourcecode from the taskbar gnome3
 extension
 
 Steps to reproduce:
 1. A gnome3 extension can be developed with a very customizable HTML
interface / a ms office ribbon likeinterface which uses dbus for
communication with libreoffice applications.
 2. It can have a drop down thing like drop down terminal extension of
gnome3, a drop down should open whenever libreoffice is opened.
 3. It can also have tabs using source-code from the taskbar gnome3
extension.
 4. Also for Bold, Italic and Underline AND alignment options buttons
like  the nautilus location bar should be used using CSS and check
and radio buttons respectively.
 5. I suggest using Black and white themes like Faenza Icons
 
 Current behavior: The libreoffice toolbar looks dull and many a times
  buttons are hard to find. Customization doesnt bring much change
  and separators should be dynamic.
 
 Expected behavior:The libreoffice toolbar will look interesting.
  Buttons will be easier to find as HTML customiztion will have
  flexibitity and separators would be dynamic.
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Re: Bring back some features of 3.6

[Onyeibo Oku]

Trolling again, eh Satenstein?  Guys, this is going to end in a long
unresolved discussion. Be advised. Topic says features on 3.6 is wanted
back  actual discussion is requesting for Gnome 2.  This Guy has
floated a bait. Please don't bite.
On May 2, 2013 1:59 AM, Leslie S Satenstein lsatenst...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi Hashem

 I started with Gnome in 2006.  That is a long time ago for one to be a
 Linux supporter .  I followed improvements and was loyal to using Gnome.

 But then, Gnome dumbed down nautilus, so I switched to using Thunar, and
 put Nautilus aside.  The new 3.8 interface has some redeeming features,
 such as sliding the window to the extreme left or right margin, but then,
 have you ever counted the number of mouse left-key clicks to find a program
 that is not in Favourites or Frequent. ?

 I was able to do it in 6 clicks, with scrolling interspersed.   SIX mouse
 clicks to invoke a program. (or 7, if the program is in utilities or system
 grouping).

 I ask only one answer to the following:  Do you think that Mint14 with
 Mate or Cinnamon did gain from Gnome users who got tired of clicking the
 left mouse button up to 7 times, or not providing a public roadmap?

 I found for my needs that the 3.6 interface as currently in SUSE12.3 is
 better than the 3.8 interface used in Fedora 19.  Thunar replaces the
 dumbed down nautilus.  (Bautilus up unti Fedora 15) was what a user
 expected.

 Yes it is the wrong place to post things with this interest group. I have
 created a few change requests with bugzilla.  Lets see what transpires.

 You may contact me off line if you wish. I am quite friendly.


 Regards
 *
  Leslie
 *
 *Mr. Leslie Satenstein
 *50 years in Information Technology and going strong.
 Yesterday was a good day, today is a better day,
 and tomorrow will be even better.
 lsatenst...@yahoo.com
 alternative: leslie.satenst...@gmail.com
 *SENT FROM MY OPEN SOURCE LINUX SYSTEM.*


   --
  *From:* Hashem Nasarat hnasa...@gmail.com
 *To:* gnome-shell-list@gnome.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 1, 2013 2:00 PM
 *Subject:* Re: Bring back some features of 3.6

  Hi Leslie,

 Feedback is appreciated. We're sorry to hear you miss the categories from
 3.6 and earlier.

 Unfortunately, the mailing list isn't the most productive way of getting
 changes. You can file bugs on bugzilla.gnome.org for your wish to purge
 entries, and other tings. Apart from that, you can help get involved in
 building GNOME https://www.gnome.org/get-involved/

 Threatening to switch to a different DE will get you nowhere though. You
 are, as always free to go.

 Hashem
 On 05/01/2013 09:38 AM, Leslie S Satenstein wrote:

 With each linux system I have, I add about 20 other applications to my
 Linux and in addition, I add KDE.  The number of Icons in the ALL display
 is in excess of 40.

 The ALL setting requires substantial scrolling to find my application.
 The FREQUENT Category side of the display is Filled to Maximum.

 Gnome 3.6 had filtering by some categories such as programming, internet,
 etc (the old menu categories).  When will this be ported to 3.8 or 3.9?

 I have filled up the Frequent category, and there is no way to purge
 entries, except to delete the hidden file in my home directory.

 If an application is in Favourites, why is it also appearing in Frequent?
 This double icon display does not make sense to me.

 When will I be able to tag applications that I want to view by filtering
 with the tag value.  I have different applications that I want to see on
 Monday, Tuesday, Weekend, and with no constraint.

 It does not make sense to me that Gnome 3.8 understands end-user needs.
 If I cannot create my own tags or categories who needs to use or recommend
 Gnome.

 I've been a Gnome User for 8 years, and if you have not got a road map of
 what is coming or required, then its time for me to go with Cinnamon/Mate
 or KDE.




Regards
 *
  Leslie
 *
 *Mr. Leslie Satenstein
 *50 years in Information Technology and going strong.
 Yesterday was a good day, today is a better day,
 and tomorrow will be even better.
 mailto:lsatenst...@yahoo.com lsatenst...@yahoo.com
 alternative: leslie.satenst...@gmail.com
 *SENT FROM MY OPEN SOURCE LINUX SYSTEM.*



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Can't change LCD brightness

[Onyeibo Oku]

I have noticed that Brightness and Lock under System Settings
present controls for adjustment only for laptop LCDs.  Why?  Most of
my desktops use LCD monitors and their brightness often need
adjustment.  Why is this feature missing in Gnome3?

Regards

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Keys with list values in gsetting

[Onyeibo Oku]

Hi,

I have been trying to automate some settings for a group of machines
running gnome3.  I'm hitting one wall, that is, how to set the values
for keys that have lists.  I suppose those values can be addressed
through indexing.  Question is how?  Is this even allowed?

e.g:
gsettings get org.gnome.nautilus.icon-view captions 
that results in  ===  ['size', 'type', 'date_modified']

the problem being how to set the different list values.

Will appreciate some illumination here.

Regards
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Re: Open with Files?

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 12/08/2011 10:56 AM, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote:
 Le jeudi 08 décembre 2011 à 05:13 +0100, Onyeibo Oku a écrit :
 That's odd.

 Any time I plug in an external drive I get a toaster notification saying
 Open with Files and Eject.  That first option is so ambiguous.
  Grammar wise, its confusing.  What is Files?  Should that not read
 Open Files or Browse Files or Open with Nautilus?

 I don't know.
 Should I file a bug on that one too?
 Yes.

Which component owns this bug ... Gnome-shell likely?
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Open with Files?

[Onyeibo Oku]

That's odd.

Any time I plug in an external drive I get a toaster notification saying
Open with Files and Eject.  That first option is so ambiguous.
 Grammar wise, its confusing.  What is Files?  Should that not read
Open Files or Browse Files or Open with Nautilus?

I don't know.
Should I file a bug on that one too?

Regards
Onyeibo
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Gnome Shell Extensions

[Onyeibo Oku]

Where can I find them? I've been to extensions.gnome.org and find no way to 
download or install the listed extension. 
-
from twohot@device.mobile :)
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Re: Highlight the Activities button on boot

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 10/15/2011 12:04 PM, Nishant Agrwal wrote:
 One of the oft-mentioned weaknesses of Gnome Shell, compared to other
 shells like Canonical's Unity, is that unlike its counterparts, Gnome
 Shell does not give a new user any immediate indication of how to launch
 applications or do anything, really. I understand and support the
 rationale that users are to be presented a blank canvas free of
 distractions and clutter, but the mentioned problem should also be
 addressed, so I would like to share this solution:
 
 *Highlight the Activities button when the computer boots up/user logs
 in*, so the user's attention is immediately directed that way. After the
 first time, the user would have figured out the function of the
 activities button, or at least understood that that is where he/she
 should go if there is nothing on the screen. The actual highlighting can
 be done in many ways, depending upon the designer's decision, as long as
 it's something to this effect:
 
 http://i.imgur.com/Ui0WP.jpg
 
 some suggestions:
 -Blue/Red Glow
 -Blue/Red Circle
 -Activities button text in blue/red
 
 thanks you

I'd rather have the 'Activities' text slow glow+blink three times and
that's it.

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Re: Highlight the Activities button on boot

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 10/15/2011 12:36 PM, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote:
 Le samedi 15 octobre 2011 à 16:34 +0530, Nishant Agrwal a écrit :
 One of the oft-mentioned weaknesses of Gnome Shell, compared to other
 shells like Canonical's Unity, is that unlike its counterparts, Gnome
 Shell does not give a new user any immediate indication of how to
 launch applications or do anything, really.
 The problem you describe only concerns the first time the user will try
 GNOME 3. Given this, I don't consider a major issue that the user might
 need a few seconds to understand where things happen. Since there are
 not many buttons to try, and that there's a big button in the top right

you mean 'left' 

 corner saying Activities, it's reasonable to assume the user will think
 oh, that's where I should go before too long without highlighting.
 

Its a valid point.  I came to know about the activities or overview mode
right from alpha/beta stage of Gnome3 dev.  Some people didn't have that
history so they'll be lost without some documentation or tutorial.  A
simple animation on start should be intuitive enough (Glow thrice)

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To Scroll or To Zoom?

[Onyeibo Oku]

Bah!

I am finding the 'Windows' Zoom feature rather redundant in Overview
mode -- using the centre (scroll) mouse button.  One would expect that
to scroll to the next workspace like with 'Applications'.  It should
make the UX uniform across the favourites tab, Window Area, and
Workspace Switcher.  Has this been discussed before?

Might be better to use Alt+Centre-Mouse-Scroll-Button for the Zooming if
people use that feature and have the Roulette Scroll happening by
default. What do you guys think?

Regards
Onyeibo
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Re: Cheap PCI graphic cards for GNOME Shell

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 13:57 -0400, Jeff Fortin wrote:
 Except that it hurts my environmentally-conscious self to throw away
 those desktop machines that are in working order, just lacking a good
 video card.
 
+1, we share same mindset here

 eBay listings for PCI video cards are generally littered with
 - ATI Radeon 9200/9250 (which are R200 if I recall correctly)
 - nVIDIA MX4000 (of the NV10 family; too old?)

It appears so.

 - nVIDIA FX5200/FX5500 (of the NV30 family)
 
 Usually priced at 30$ or so. Perhaps the NV30 cards (such as the geforce
 FX 5200 and 5500) would be the only viable option? (if the hardware is
 fast enough)
 
 Looking at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix , I'm not
 sure whether or not they are expected to run GNOME Shell as good as
 the radeon/intel drivers...

This thread is parallel to one I started two days ago. Here:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=264959


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Re: Changing how I work in Gnome 3

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 21:08 -0400, Andrew Pitonyak wrote:
 On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 01:52:32 +0100, Artur Wroblewski
 wrob...@pld-linux.org wrote:
  On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Andrew Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org
  wrote:
  [...]
  Assume that I have only two OpenOffice.org (OOo) documents open. I can
  use
  Alt+Tab to quickly move to OOo, but, I don't see an easy way to jump
  into a
  specific document that I see.
  
  try to use the key above tab key.
  
  [...]
  
  best regards,
  
  w
 
 Oh my my my. I remember reading this once (now that you mention it).
 Will test when I return to my computer Sunday.

A little off topic Andrew, but I can't help it
Thanks for your documentation on PyUNO for OOo. Although I still have
questions ... it was really helpful

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Re: While we were pouting over taskbars and shutdown options

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 14:07 +0530, Vishnoo wrote:
 Hi,
 Many might have already seen this[1] [2], but just mentioning here so
 that we are aware what others are doing to push the boundaries and not
 staying with it just works good enough. 
snip

I does look like M$ knows how to read a gnome-shell list and steal what
people are saying.  Gripes!  They got the roulette workspace animation
correct!  That's what I suggested for Gnome-shell months ago. I like the
way they closely space the UI stubs ... In overview mode, the stubs are
too wide apart.

 But we need to try to improve UI and not just stay stagnant, else we
 would just be playing catch-up for ever.

I think M$ does a lot of borrowing but they pursue finesse/*bling*
*bling* as aggressively as Apple. Why do I get the impression they're
trying to Stop the Linux Guys at their tracks while they are busy
bickering about ... and raising their noses?

 [1]http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2011/jun11/06-01corporatenews.aspx
 [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88Ifeature=youtu.be
 

I JUST WISH THE GNOME DESIGNERS WILL GIVE THE COMMUNITY ANOTHER CHANCE
ON DESIGN INPUT AND NOT MAKE THE PRESENT UI FIXED or FINAL (oh well,
seems they did an excellent job in providing the infrastructure for
those brave enough to do an aggressive tweaking). Your product begins to
sell or loose based on first impressions and M$ appears to be working
hard at that (with enhancements to borrowed concepts).  Let the Change
CONTINUE ... its great.  Its better when more crazy design concepts are
on the table coming from more people.  If the core of Gnome-shell is
extremely dynamic (I hope it is), then a lot is possible.  What if I
want my workspace docker on top ... can the Gnome-shell code allow me to
change that while they limit their effort at providing a fair default?
That kind of flexibility is what is needed ... then let the users play
'CHOOSE!' 

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Re: Autohide Top Bar?

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 12:50 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 15:46 -0400, Mystilleef wrote:
 
  The panel appears if the focused window is not maximized. That's the
  whole point of intellihide. If you've played with avant window
  navigator, or any worthwhile dock system, you'll get a better idea of
  how this works.
 
 I still want it there when I'm reading mail or a web site, which is most
 of the time. Plus I tend to switch back and forth between maximized and
 non-maximized apps a lot, and I don't think I'd like the panel
 ping-ponging around as I did so.

Can I summarize this by saying that both perspectives are personal
preferences?  Hence, the better solution would be to provide both
features and leave users to make that choice. You don't like it? Then
Disable it ...else leave it.

everybody is happy :)

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Re: Some small ideas for the Shell Panel and Overview

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Sat, 2011-04-09 at 10:44 -0500, Marshall Neill wrote:
 I looked at the 'new' interface and have only 1 suggestion and I am not 
 sure how to convey this.
 Right-handed people would seem to look to the right and moving the mouse 
 to the right is easier.
 So, with that thought in mind, move the Overwiew, Applications, Library 
 to the right (flipped so to speak).
 In this way when the user moves the mouse to Applications the categories 
 are immediately below.  No  moving from one side of the screen to the 
 other.  Everything in one place.
 If the user is left-handed then move the category list to the other side 
 of the iconized list of applications.
 Upon installation perhaps you could ask if the user is right-handed or 
 left-handed with a radio button.  This would also be a possible to 
 change the  mouse to left-handed.  You could explain how this will 
 effect the interface with pictures,  as you do when the OS is installing.
 To carry the theme even further at install time, you could display sizes 
 of icons on the panel.  Let them choose smaller, larger, whatever.
 Man, I hope I made myself clear.  It's hard to explain in text and so 
 easy in images but I suck at creating images.
 

I have suggested this in the past, but not because of left handed people
(or anything of that sort) but for sake of proximity to the categories
and, more so, the new workspace panel(pane). It will also minimize mouse
movements across the screen.  Either that, or leave it as is, and flip
the activities overlay (dash goes to the right and workspace manager to
the left)

!--although, I have another concept for dash and workspace manager that
is entirely different.  But that, another story --

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Re: Mutter theming

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Sat, 2011-04-09 at 18:58 +0200, Florian Müllner wrote:
  theme, or the documentation found at
 
 http://git.gnome.org/browse/mutter/tree/doc/theme-format.txt

You've made my day, thanks

 Just be warned - the format is far from friendly (there has been an
 experimental Metacity branch at one point (cowbell), which used a
 CSS-like syntax instead) ...

I'll remember that.  Its tough? Then that makes it more interesting.
Another Sudoku puzzle to entertain my brains :)

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Re: Idea: having a hotkey, dialog box for searching apps?

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Sat, 2011-04-09 at 13:13 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote:
 There's one scenario with Gnome 3 that's really awkward for me.   And
 is when F15 is released is going to be awkward for my wife who's
 taking university classes from home.
 
 
 I have a video playing in the corner of the screen.   Now I want to
 take some notes on a scene currently taking place, how do you bring up
 gedit without the need to pause the video (if the video can be paused
 at all -- live webcasts don't pause --), open the overview page, type
 gedit, then come back replay the video and hope the stream didn't die
 (which would cause me to have to start over and start fast forwarding)

1. Put Gedit in Favourites (dash).
2. During Play, hit the 'windows' button  click gedit
3. Pray that Gedit doesn't start Maximized :)
4. Clean, no visual interruption



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Re: Workspace Switcher and Dock

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 05:16 -0400, J. Adam Craig wrote:
 
 I do have two very small suggestions that I believe would make the
 user experience more seamless and simple:
 
 
 1) THE WORKSPACE SWITCHER
 When Ctrl + Alt + Up/Down are pressed, the workspaces switch, and a
 grey-ish box appears in the center of the screen, indicating that the
 switch is taking place.  The contrast / largesse of the box is
 somewhat distracting personally, especially when I'm hopping back and
 forth between a web browser / pdf on one workspace and a document on
 the next, where I might be writing a paper or article.
 
 
 Why not place a minimal view of the workspace switcher on the
 right-side of the desktop, and keep it there at all times?  When I say
 minimal view, I mean the workspace switcher as it initially appears
 on the Activities view until it is hovered over with the mouse.
  With a minimal view available at all times, quick workspace
 switching / window dragging would be available at all times without
 first having to activate the Activities view, which consumes excess
 time.
 

I 'personally' don't think this is a good idea.  When working with
Bricscad or Inkscape, you'll need that area to access tool bars.
Putting the switcher permanently there will create a conflict.  I'd
rather they made the indicator more subtle like 30%-50% gray rather than
70%-90% Gray.  This styling may already be adjustable via Gnome-shell
CSS sheets  (I hope this is possible)

 
 Not only would this make things more efficient for moving windows
 between workspaces (by reducing key presses or mouse moves / clicks),
 but the minimal view of the switcher could quickly expand out and
 collapse back in when using Ctrl + Alt + Up/Down to change
 workspaces.  This would give everything a sense of consistency, and
 because a minimal view of the switcher would already be visible on the
 right side of the screen, it would be less distracting to the user,
 because it would not introduce a new element on the screen (a pop-up,
 as it were).
 

Try CTRL+TAB too.

 
 2) THE DASH
 Place a minimal view of the dash on the left side of the screen, just
 as I've proposed with the workspace switcher in #1 above.  This could
 either be a minimal view, or it could be auto-hidden on the left side
 of the screen.  This way, a user would need only mouse-over the left
 side of the screen to get at the dash (and hence, favorite
 applications), reducing key-presses  mouse moves, and thus saving
 time and making things more efficient.

The same conflict will happen here again.  Toolbars usually occupy that
space too in many applications.  The Dash will be struggling for
attention and make life difficult for those who want to access nearby
tool buttons.

Regards
Onyeibo


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Re: GNOME 3 from Fedora user's perpective - request for changes

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 08:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 20:36 +1200, John Stowers wrote:
  On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 07:40 +0200, Aniruddha wrote:
   On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com 
   wrote:
 Anything I launch a lot
gets made a favorite, anything I launch infrequently I just search for
(which is no clicks: 'start' key, type.)
--
   
   You mean press the windows key and type the program name? I've tried
   this, I can't remember every program name, 
  
  It searches by description too. File a bug with the application in
  question if you think the desktop file does not adequately describe the
  function of the application.
 
 I was about to point that out, then did a few tests which reminded me
 the descriptions are usually pretty fracking useless...
 
 'rip' does not get you Sound Juicer
 'burn' does not get you Brasero
 'sound' does not get you Audacity (but somehow, it *does* get you
 Brasero?)
 'audio' gets you Audacity, but not Rhythmbox (you have to hit 'music'
 for that)
 'video' does not get you Totem
 
 so, yeah, it's not great =)

Maybe you meant to say 'sub-names' ... not sure that's the right term
for that.  E.g Typing 'moni' gets you 'System Monitor' and 'off' gets
you all of LibreOffice or OpenOffice apps.  So, if you know a bit about
the Applications name, it helps (being accurate may not be necessary but
a piece of the name works)


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Re: GNOME 3 from Fedora user's perpective - request for changes

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 14:01 +, JB wrote:
 Well, I have realized what happened just few days ago when I installed Fedora
 15 in its alpha stage with GNOME 3, which is by my observation far from done.
 I did it as a reaction to Fedora users expressing their concerns about it.
  

Why am I not surprised?  Surely all that whining will have its toll on
spectators who have no idea about the history of the subject matter.
And that is what bothers me the most.  It seems to me that the reactions
and overreactions of the old-timers will end up being the deciding
factor rather than the subject matter.  Its all relativity at best and
the worst basis for conclusion.

The real issue is ... 'WHAT DO YOU THINK after using it?' *and NOT*
'what do they think'

 I am surprised. I think the points I raised are fundamental to GUI
 functionality and end user's acceptance, now and more so in the future by
 the existing users base.
 I still hope that GNOME devs will pull a rabbit from a hat and avert potential
 problems with their users base.
 

The user base is gradually changing.  Its a poke, swipe and touch
generation and the Devs want to tune into the hype.  But change comes
with costs as you can already see. While the users have some legitimate
concerns, and the Developers have some interesting plans I think its
wrong communication methods that both parties sometimes employ that make
resolutions so though.


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Re: GNOME 3 from Fedora user's perpective - request for changes

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 15:21 +, JB wrote:
 Onyeibo Oku twohotis@... writes:
 
 ... 
  Why am I not surprised?  Surely all that whining will have its toll on
  spectators who have no idea about the history of the subject matter.
  And that is what bothers me the most.  It seems to me that the reactions
  and overreactions of the old-timers will end up being the deciding
  factor rather than the subject matter.
  ...
 
 The reaction (not overreaction) by old-timers is based on their experience
 with what works and what not, and with technical and non-technical user bases.
 Most of these birds are (and should be) concerned with ease-of-use and sane
 continuity of design of their daily tools.

Aren't we all concerned?  Just that you're failing to see how relative
those concerns are.  One guy thinks it stinks the other swears its a
gift from heaven.  I still ask, what about you?  Have you used it? How
long has it been? A day?  I've been testing this movement since 2.31.5
(about 6months, I think). Its interesting following the process.  You
should try it.

 If geeks want fireworks, they can do it for their own pleasure.
 But if geeks want to stop whining and sell their products to a broad public
 to make money and have a good life afterwards, they have to offer what that
 prospective customer and user base wants.

And who is the prospective customer?  The select few ... the geeks
again?  And if the new generation of PC users are not vastly blessed
with the past experiences of the old-timers they should rot?  That's not
a good model for money making.  You expand your user base to make
profits.  Don't get me wrong, I aspire to be a geek, know as much as I
can about linux but maturity is allowing others a window of opportunity
to plug into the system  (It will bring discomfort and challenges but
there is always a way around every problem ... and its not moving back
to status quo)


 What were you smoking guys when that feature was developed and tested here ?

Huh? Are you being objective with that question?


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Re: GNOME 3 from Fedora user's perpective - request for changes

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 17:42 +, JB wrote:
 Onyeibo Oku twohotis@... writes:
 
  ...
  Aren't we all concerned?  Just that you're failing to see how relative
  those concerns are.  One guy thinks it stinks the other swears its a
  gift from heaven.  I still ask, what about you?  Have you used it? How
  long has it been? A day?  I've been testing this movement since 2.31.5
  (about 6months, I think). Its interesting following the process.  You
  should try it.
 
 About me ?
 I stated it on this thread already a couple of times - my reason for coming
 here (and registering) was my own experience (admittedly short but focused) 
 and
 that of other quite capable people on Fedora lists, who btw raised some other
 questions about GNOME 3.
 

Been there too.  Also been following the fedora forums.  Some raise
issues and also suggest solutions ... some go further and offer patches,
alternative designs, and fixes.  Some blow steam and throw threats when
they don't get a favourable response from the devs.  In the end, the
best route to something most people can identify with is to be part of
the process -- to be accommodating and understanding while pushing your
ideas for better UX.  Expecting the Devs to drop a concept that has been
evolving over 2years++ and do a 180degree turn is no way near that.

 You will see a lot of moves around time of Fedora 15 becoming next production
 release, and beyond.

Tantrums?  That's not new.  Actually, the problems in people's
perception of Gnome3 is mostly social (the after effects of poor
communication ... i.e. from both sides.  This heat is totally
unnecessary.  People just need to tweak their tolerance levels a bit)

 Pay attention, as Fedora is a feeder to a large users base of RH Enterprise
 systems (they became a $1.0 bil. revenue company recently). GNOME should want 
 to
 be in it and care about what their customers want and how they react to
 disruptive pseudo-innovation.

RH employees are part of the Gnome devs as well as contributors from
other big players.  Gnome3 is not an isolated project.  Please also note
that there is something like 'Disruptive Pseudo-Habits'.  Relax a bit :)


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No Phone Manager in Gnome Project?

[Onyeibo Oku]

I've just noticed that Gnome-Phone-Manager is not in the Gnome Project
list.  I found one in the Fedora 15 repos but it never worked (Crashed
100% on startup).  Apparently its not well ported to Gnome3.

Are there plans to revive this sub-project or is it officially dead?

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Power-Off/Log out Anomaly

[Onyeibo Oku]

Is this just me or someone else experiencing this?:

When I try to power off or log out from Gnome-shell using the User Menu 
at the top-right corner, I get a dimming ... and that's it.  The DE 
continues running (dimmed) but Gnome-shell partially freezes.  The 
hot-corner and Workspace pane seizes to work but the 'Mod+4' button 
still activates the overview mode (alt+tab works too)


I only get a proper shutdown/restart/logout from the terminal.
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Re: Gnome3/Gnome-shell Calendar backend

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 03/21/2011 05:49 PM, David Zeuthen wrote:

Hi,

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Onyeibo Okutwoho...@gmail.com  wrote:

*DONE*


Uhm, would have been more useful if you had included the bug number...
what is it?

Thanks,
David


bug 689288

regards
Onyeibo(twohot)
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Re: Gnome3/Gnome-shell Calendar backend

[Onyeibo Oku]

Great!

Sadly, I only do menial scripting in python, LISP, and BASIC.  My 
knowledge of C/C++ is kindergarten.  I like to test Gnome3 and 
Gnome-shell because I might be using it eventually.  So, this is where 
you guys do your thing.


Thanks for the time going into all this.
I'll be looking forward to this solution.


On 03/20/2011 09:25 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:

Additionally, take a look at the evolution of the patches that davidz
did, he had two or three different event sources that are now all
gone, and those might be useful to start from.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Giovanni Campagna
scampa.giova...@gmail.com  wrote:

Il giorno dom, 20/03/2011 alle 20.31 +0100, Onyeibo Oku ha scritto:

I have Thunderbird with lightning beta installed on Fedora 15
(gnome3/gnome-shell DE).  The default Mail Client in Gnome3 is
Evolution.  Evolution crashed sometime ago and messed up my contacts
and mail db.  So, I decided to try Thunderbird.

The problem is that Gnome3 doesn't yet realize that Thunderbird with
Lighting (beta) provides Calender services (correct me if I'm wrong
please).  Is there a way to correct this so that the Calendar events
will show up on Gnome-shell calender UI?

Of course. You must first write a patch against DateMenu
(js/ui/dateMenu.js:55) so that it can pick a custom source instead
of the default DBusEventSource (possibly analizing
org.gnome.default-applications.calendar or some other GSettings key),
then just write a Lighting EventSource (see js/ui/calendar.js), using
whatever DBus API or library Lightning uses (it may involve an extension
for Lightning, if database access is not normally granted to external
processe).
Thanks for your interest in this and file a bug when you're ready!

Giovanni

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Taskbar replacement

[Onyeibo Oku]

O-k-a-y!  With all the fuss going on about '*the need for the taskbar*' 
and all what not ... I came up with an idea that might satisfy both the 
Gnome2 fans and the proponents of Gnome3.  I don't know if anyone has 
suggested this but this is how it goes:


1. Take the mouse to the Gnome bar at the top (anywhere but not on 
activities, application, calendar, NM, etc.  Any empty space)
2. All open windows minimise to a full title bar except the active one 
(in front)

3. User can now click on the title bar of choice
4. Done ... everybody is happy :)

*Xtra:*
5. Mouse wheel over the Title bars to flip through the windows (cycle 
through them for a new 'active' window)


That ensures that the Taskbar is not there but the functionality is 
still somewhat implemented.  Is this childish or what?


Here is a sample created off some screenshots I made:
http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=10112

reactions please.
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Re: Gnome3/Gnome-shell Calendar backend

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 03/20/2011 09:22 PM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:

Il giorno dom, 20/03/2011 alle 20.31 +0100, Onyeibo Oku ha scritto:

I have Thunderbird with lightning beta installed on Fedora 15
(gnome3/gnome-shell DE).  The default Mail Client in Gnome3 is
Evolution.  Evolution crashed sometime ago and messed up my contacts
and mail db.  So, I decided to try Thunderbird.

The problem is that Gnome3 doesn't yet realize that Thunderbird with
Lighting (beta) provides Calender services (correct me if I'm wrong
please).  Is there a way to correct this so that the Calendar events
will show up on Gnome-shell calender UI?

Of course. You must first write a patch against DateMenu
(js/ui/dateMenu.js:55) so that it can pick a custom source instead
of the default DBusEventSource (possibly analizing
org.gnome.default-applications.calendar or some other GSettings key),
then just write a Lighting EventSource (see js/ui/calendar.js), using
whatever DBus API or library Lightning uses (it may involve an extension
for Lightning, if database access is not normally granted to external
processe).
Thanks for your interest in this and file a bug when you're ready!

Giovanni

what is the right place to file this bug? Bugzilla?
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Re: Taskbar replacement

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 03/20/2011 10:11 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:

Because the mockup/screenshot took a minute or two to come up, here's
a mirror: http://i.imgur.com/MPqe2.png


Thanks man


Most people who are asking for a taskbar are really asking for an
easier way to switch windows. Speaking on my own, I really, really
like this idea, with a few caveats:


:)

1) I don't like the way you trigger it: it will probably frustratng
that touching the top of the screen by accident is a bit 'destructive'
in terms of workflow, but that can be fixed.
2) It's a bad idea that all the window close buttons are lined up like
that, so we should probably hide the close button on all windows but
the current one.
3) What happens with skinny windows? Will they just have a really,
really big title bar? What about windows that have a specified max
size?

Very genuine considerations.  Any ideas? I mean, for me the concept of 
emerging title bars is what I'm marketing here. I didn't consider details.

Having the title bar be a lookalike would probably be better: when
you trigger it, a window list of lookalike window decorations, without
close buttons, slides down, 'pushing' the current window down, and
selecting a window fades the real window you selected in.

I'm trying to paint a mental picture of your description but its 
blurry.  Could you make a sketch?  A rough pencil sketch should get my 
rusty imaginative capabilities back online.  Then I might be able to 
enhance it.
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Re: Taskbar replacement

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 03/21/2011 03:29 AM, Naheem Zaffar wrote:
On 21 March 2011 02:15, Onyeibo Oku twoho...@gmail.com 
mailto:twoho...@gmail.com wrote:


*That's the idea!*

I tend to see this as something that should happen outside of
'activities' mode.  This does not diminish the importance of the
'Activities' mode however ... which is still better for an
overview and workspace management.  Now that I see that it is
possible ... next is, will it be accepted by Gnome in general? 
What is the right channel/process?


I still don't get what you mean by 'look-alike window
decorations'.  Is that it?  Looks so much like what I had in mind
though.


On 03/20/2011 11:25 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Onyeibo Okutwoho...@gmail.com  
mailto:twoho...@gmail.com  wrote:

On 03/20/2011 10:11 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:

Because the mockup/screenshot took a minute or two to come up, here's
a mirror:http://i.imgur.com/MPqe2.png


instead of showing the titlebars, can you show the window previews 
instead a la WIndows 7?


I think the 'activities' mode already provides this functionality.  The 
down-side of it is that it takes a little more time to identify the 
desired window.  Titles bars don't have mush graphics so they tend to be 
less challenging mentally  visually.  I prefer to use the activities 
mode to see what is happening on several windows at a glance -- you 
know, while waiting for a process to complete.
(or mabe the dash always present and use that as a taskbar with the 
previews.)

I don't get this bit


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Re: GNOME Tweak Tool 2.91.92 released

[Onyeibo Oku]

Music to my ears!  This is awesome

Is it in Rawhide/Fedora/Fedora-testing repo?. Or a URL to a remote 
RPM will be appreciated.  I'm on a terribly slow network.  Updating Yum 
metadata might take hours.


However, ... thanks to those who engineered this!


On 03/19/2011 09:17 AM, John Stowers wrote:

GNOME Tweak Tool 2.91.92 is now available at:

http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-tweak-tool/2.91/

db2d38b56bad1acaff3aff80eb8792b2bb679464c1fc7579ae94eb1d03650cf6
gnome-tweak-tool-2.91.92.tar.bz2
63fac12596b6b208ce64f20e19b703670b8a3d1fbb963c5f9d29f73f8c7ad107
gnome-tweak-tool-2.91.92.tar.gz

This is the first release.

About GNOME Tweak Tool
==

GNOME Tweak Tool is an application for changing the advanced settings of
GNOME 3. Further descriptions and screenshots can be found at:

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeTweakTool

Overview of changes
===

* Support shell theme change and installation
* Tweak gtk theme
* Tweak the user-interface and titlebar fonts
* Tweak icons in menus and buttons
* Tweak behaviour on laptop lid close
* Tweak shell font size
* Tweak file manager desktop icons
* Tweak titlebar click action

John Stowers

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Re: Missing the Gnome-shell experience

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 05:42 +0100, Onyeibo Oku wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 16:50 +0800, Yu Chen wrote:
  
  
  2011/2/15 twoho...@gmail.com
  Its been about a week or more since I ran Gnome-shell. The
  reason being that I cannot get it to compile along with the
  rest of gnome3. Please, does anyone know how to get all of
  gnome3 and gnome-shell to compile with Jhbuild?
  
  
  http://library.gnome.org/devel/jhbuild/2.32/jhbuild-and-gnome.html.en
  
  
  -- 
  Yu
  
 Gave this compilation another try.
 Result:
 
 
 make[3]: Entering directory
 `/home/t2hot/Source/gnome-world-3.0/source/gtk-doc/tests/gobject/src'
   CC gobject.lo
 gobject.c:49:18: fatal error: glib.h: No such file or directory
 compilation terminated.
 
 
 I don't get it.  This is a fresh jhbuild!
 
 

*$ jhbuild sanitycheck*
says automake-1.8 and 1.9 is missing.

I have done a *jhbuild bootstrap --ignore-system*
automake for those versions where built.  Yet a sanity check still lists
them as missing.  Could this be contributing to the build problem? 

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Re: Gnome-3: The complete experience

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 13:58 -0500, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
 $ nano ~/.jhbuildrc

OK, I get it now.  I need to uncomment the lines that are necessary.
How about these?:

modules = [ 'meta-gnome-core' ]
moduleset = ['gnome-suites-core-3.0', 'gnome-apps-3.0']
modules = ['meta-gnome-core', 'meta-gnome-apps-featured']
checkoutroot = os.path.expanduser('~/checkout/gnome')
prefix = '/opt/gnome'
autogenargs='--disable-static --disable-gtk-doc'
makeargs = '-j2'

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Re: Gnome-3: The complete experience

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 14:33 -0500, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
 I change the 'prefix' and 'checkoutroot' mainly to look like
 
 checkoutroot = os.path.expanduser(~/Source/gnome-world-3.0/source)
 prefix = os.path.expanduser(~/Source/gnome-world-3.0/install)
 
 $ mkdir ~/Source
 $ mv ~/gnome-shell ~/Source/gnome-world-3.0
 
 The rest you don't need to care about. Those two options are all I modify.

THANKS! :)

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Gnome-shell anomalies

[Onyeibo Oku]

Hmm, I just noticed that the animated transition to
'Activities/overview' mode is smoother on my machine (with an nVidia
Quadro 1600FX card).  

*Then, there are other issues:*

1. When the superimposed windows separate in activities mode, they all
pick the same window/screenshot ... or whatever the term is.  E.g. If I
had evolution, file-manager and firefox on one desktop, a transition to
activities mode gives me three windows all bearing firefox GUI, or 
you know what I mean?  Its weird.

2. The notification replacement for Empathy messages still has those
gradients and confusing text arrangement.  I see the one in the mockup
hasn't been implemented yet.  The Calender balloon rocks!  Nothing has
happened to the network menu yet

3.  I'm wondering why the user has to click on those system menus to get
balloons.  A drop-on-hover effect would be more efficient reducing the
clicks by one ... which is significant IMHO.

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Lovely Surprise

[Onyeibo Oku]

Oh, I'm in love with the new Calendar.  Excellent Job
We have Network-Manager's menu and top panel is settled.  Great Job
guys.  You're the best 

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More Build Errors

[Onyeibo Oku]

jhbuild is now requesting stuff outside the standard repo.  What do I do?


checking for LIBXKLAVIER... no
configure: error: Package requirements (libxklavier = 5.1) were not met:

Requested 'libxklavier = 5.1' but version of libxklavier is 5.0


Where/how can I find this 'libxklavier'?
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Re: More Build Errors

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 02/05/2011 03:10 AM, Cyril Arnaud wrote:

I have no idea ... the thing is I just built gnome-shell and I only have
libxklavier 5.0 installed
Also according to the libxklavier project on sourceforge
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gswitchit/files/libxklavier/ the version
5.1 doesn't exist yet ...

On Sat, 2011-02-05 at 02:40 +0100, Onyeibo Oku wrote:

jhbuild is now requesting stuff outside the standard repo.  What do I do?

  checking for LIBXKLAVIER... no
  configure: error: Package requirements (libxklavier= 5.1) were not met:

  Requested 'libxklavier= 5.1' but version of libxklavier is 5.0

Where/how can I find this 'libxklavier'?
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According to this page: 
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.desktop/43957 ... this is a 
planned update and should not be affecting jhbuild


However, IT IS AFFECTING jhbuild.
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Re: More Build Errors

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 02/05/2011 03:18 AM, Onyeibo Oku wrote:


According to this page:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.desktop/43957 ... this is a
planned update and should not be affecting jhbuild

However, IT IS AFFECTING jhbuild.


How do I point jhbuild to the installed version 5.0.  I don't understand 
why it should be requesting for something that is not yet existing.

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Re: More Build Errors

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 02/05/2011 02:56 AM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:

You don't need gnome-control-center to run gnome-shell.


How about this then:

configure: error: Package requirements (libxklavier = 5.1) were not met:

Requested 'libxklavier = 5.1' but version of libxklavier is 5.0

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables LIBXKLAVIER_CFLAGS
and LIBXKLAVIER_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.
*** Error during phase configure of libgnomekbd: ## Error running 
./autogen.sh --prefix /home/t2hot/gnome-shell/install --libdir 
'/home/t2hot/gnome-shell/install/lib64'  --disable-static --disable-gtk-doc  
*** [23/32]

  [1] Rerun phase configure
  [2] Ignore error and continue to build
  [3] Give up on module
  [4] Start shell
  [5] Reload configuration
  [6] Go to phase wipe directory and start over
  [7] Go to phase clean
  [8] Go to phase distclean
choice: 2
*** Building libgnomekbd *** [23/32]
make
make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
*** Error during phase build of libgnomekbd: ## Error running make   
*** [23/32]

  [1] Rerun phase build
  [2] Ignore error and continue to install
  [3] Give up on module
  [4] Start shell
  [5] Reload configuration
  [6] Go to phase wipe directory and start over
  [7] Go to phase configure
  [8] Go to phase clean
  [9] Go to phase distclean
choice: 3
*** Checking out libnotify *** [24/32]
git pull --rebase
Current branch master is up to date.
*** Skipping libnotify (not updated) *** [24/32]
*** Checking out polkit *** [25/32]
*** Skipping polkit (not updated) *** [25/32]
*** module gnome-settings-daemon not built due to non buildable libgnomekbd *** 
[26/32]
*** module gnome-control-center not built due to non buildable 
gnome-settings-daemon *** [27/32]
*** module gnome-bluetooth not built due to non buildable gnome-control-center 
*** [28/32]
*** module gnome-shell not built due to non buildable gnome-settings-daemon *** 
[29/32]
*** module gnome-shell not built due to non buildable gnome-bluetooth *** 
[29/32]
*** module gnome-power-manager not built due to non buildable 
gnome-control-center *** [30/32]
*** module gnome-shell-full not built due to non buildable gnome-shell *** 
[31/32]
*** module gnome-shell-full not built due to non buildable gnome-power-manager 
*** [31/32]
*** module gnome-shell-using-gir-repository not built due to non buildable 
gnome-shell-full *** [32/32]
*** the following modules were not built *** [32/32]


gnome-shell won't build without that module.  Back to Metacity one more 
time.  I wanted to join in and test Gnome3 here 
(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-02-03_GNOME3_Alpha) but I 
got a faulty ISO.  Hope to join in on the next one

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Re: More Build Errors

[Onyeibo Oku]

Stopped again at:
*gnome-control-center*

with:

configure: error: Package requirements (iso-codes) were not met:

No package 'iso-codes' found

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables ISOCODES_CFLAGS
and ISOCODES_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.
make: *** [config.status] Error 1
*** Error during phase build of gnome-control-center: ## Error running 
make   *** [27/32]



So, where do I get 'iso-codes'?
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Re: More Build Errors

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 02/05/2011 04:26 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:



On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me
mailto:s...@ramkrishna.me wrote:

Actually it looks like the problem has been fixed.  What you need to
do is do a git pull on your jhbuild area to get the new changes.
Jhbuild now builds from cvs for libxklavier.  So I suggest you do
that instead of the work around I stated.

sri

I just realised that might not work if you're using the gnome shell
jhbuildrc.  In which case, run this and insatll it in your gnome-shell
install area:

cvs -z3 -q -d :pserver:anon...@anoncvs.freedesktop.org:/cvs/xklavier
checkout -P -A libxklavier


sri



please can express the install area in terms of a path ... the checkout 
dropped the file in my home folder.  I'm sure this is not the desired 
result.

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Re: More Build Errors

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 02/05/2011 04:44 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:

Just put it where the rest of your source files are.  I assume you're
using the default and that is in ~/gnome-shell/source.


figured that one out


Move your directory there, and then jhbuild shell and then do autogen.sh
--prefix=/home//gnome-shell/install then make;make install

sri


You mean:
$ cd ~/gnome-shell/source
$ jhbuild shell
$ autogen.sh --prefix=myHome/gnome-shell/install
$ make
$ make install
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Re: More Build Errors

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 02/05/2011 04:51 AM, Onyeibo Oku wrote:

On 02/05/2011 04:44 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:

Just put it where the rest of your source files are. I assume you're
using the default and that is in ~/gnome-shell/source.


figured that one out


Move your directory there, and then jhbuild shell and then do
autogen.sh
--prefix=/home//gnome-shell/install then make;make install

sri


You mean:
$ cd ~/gnome-shell/source
$ jhbuild shell
$ autogen.sh --prefix=myHome/gnome-shell/install
$ make
$ make install


Meanwhile, with the previous suggestions I'm back the Gnome-shell ... 
thanks.  I'd like a near-permanent solution so I'll still proceed with 
above (with more clarification).  I get errors at the terminal running 
Gnome-shell.  Hope there are no serious implications:



]$ ./gnome-shell --replace
Gtk-Message: Failed to load module pk-gtk-module: libpk-gtk-module.so: cannot 
open shared object file: No such file or directory
Gtk-Message: Failed to load module canberra-gtk-module: 
libcanberra-gtk-module.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Window manager warning: Log level 16: Accessibility: org.a11y.atspi schema not 
found. Are you sure that at-spi or at-spi2 is installed on your system?
Window manager warning: Log level 16: Accessibility: invalid module path (NULL)
Window manager warning: Log level 16: Accessibility: error loading the 
atk-bridge. Although the accessibility on the system is enabled and clutter 
accessibility is also enabled, accessibility support on GNOME Shell will not 
work
  JS LOG: GNOME Shell started at Sat Feb 05 2011 04:53:14 GMT+0100 (WAT)
Gtk-Message: Failed to load module pk-gtk-module: libpk-gtk-module.so: cannot 
open shared object file: No such file or directory
Gtk-Message: Failed to load module canberra-gtk-module: 
libcanberra-gtk-module.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
pkexec must be setuid root
  JS LOG: Failed to acquire org.freedesktop.Notifications; trying again

(mutter:15661): GdmUser-WARNING **: Unable to load CK history: no seat-id found
pkexec must be setuid root
pkexec must be setuid root
pkexec must be setuid root
pkexec must be setuid root


Thanks again, Jasper  Sri
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Another Jhbuild Error

[Onyeibo Oku]

Seems there is now a convergence between the hacking being done for 
Evolution, and Gnome-shell.  I'm about to switch back again to old 
metacity.  Here is the newest huddle in building Gnome-shell:



checking for LIBECAL... no
configure: error: Package requirements (libecal-1.2 = 1.6.0 libedataserver-1.2 = 
1.2.0 libedataserverui-1.2 = 1.2.0) were not met:

No package 'libecal-1.2' found
No package 'libedataserver-1.2' found
No package 'libedataserverui-1.2' found

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables LIBECAL_CFLAGS
and LIBECAL_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.
*** Error during phase configure of gnome-shell: ## Error running 
./autogen.sh --prefix /home/t2hot/gnome-shell/install --libdir 
'/home/t2hot/gnome-shell/install/lib64'  --disable-static --disable-gtk-doc  
*** [29/32]

  [1] Rerun phase configure
  [2] Ignore error and continue to build
  [3] Give up on module
  [4] Start shell
  [5] Reload configuration
  [6] Go to phase wipe directory and start over
  [7] Go to phase clean
  [8] Go to phase distclean
choice:


Ideas needed as urgent as possible :)
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Re: Another Jhbuild Error

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 02/02/2011 11:18 PM, Mads Villadsen wrote:

On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 23:07 +0100, Onyeibo Oku wrote:

Seems there is now a convergence between the hacking being done for
Evolution, and Gnome-shell.  I'm about to switch back again to old
metacity.  Here is the newest huddle in building Gnome-shell:


checking for LIBECAL... no
configure: error: Package requirements (libecal-1.2= 1.6.0 libedataserver-1.2= 
1.2.0 libedataserverui-1.2= 1.2.0) were not met:

No package 'libecal-1.2' found
No package 'libedataserver-1.2' found
No package 'libedataserverui-1.2' found


Try installing evolution-data-server-devel. That should help get you
further.

Alternatively get the latest version of gnome-shell-build-setup.sh and
run it - that should take care of all build requisites.

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/#Building

Hope this helps you along.

Regards.


I hope the incomplete build (still pending ... at GS) will not have 
adverse effect as I do these things.  I got evolution-data-server-devel 
and dependencies ... I'm on it :)

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Fwd: Re: minimize-to-tile would make for a more seamless experience

[Onyeibo Oku]

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: minimize-to-tile would make for a more seamless experience
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:32:29 +0100
From: twohot two...@fedoraproject.org
To: Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de

On 31 January 2011 09:48, Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de wrote:


Wasn't the original design to remove the minimize button alltogether?
Haven't heard of this in a while though.

Regards,
Johannes


But he does have a point.  As much as Gnome-shell is cool as is today,
there is need for a way to defeat the obscurity problem without the
task bar.  Alt+tab is one way.  May be there could be something less
dramatic and direct.
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Re: Little suggestions for Applications Picker

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 01/30/2011 06:19 PM, Gendre Sebastien wrote:

Hello everybody.

There are some days I was thinking about How explain Gnome-Shell to a
new user and I have a little idea. Not a genious idea, a little litte
idea but I think it's good.

On the Application picker (to Activities overviews), add a little
button ADD/REMOVE. But only for user with the admin right. If user
click on this, it run the package manager (Gnome PackageKit, Ubuntu
Software Center, etc...).

It's just a shortcut, but I think it will be good for somes users.

I warned you, it's a little little idea, unimpressive. ;)

Good end of Sunday. _o/


It sounds cool ... that is if Packagekit won't drive you crazy.  If it 
can parse commands and run yum on a terminal (underneath), that would be 
my choice. :)


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Re: Some suggestions

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 01/26/2011 06:49 AM, Peter Slavek wrote:


- The text on the top panel in some screen-shots (*) also seems as if
it's shouting; the weight of the typeface is far too heavy for my
liking. I think it would look more elegant at somewhere just slightly
heavier than usual.
(*http://seilo.geekyogre.com/uploads/2010/12/Screenshot1.png)


Rebuilt Gnome-Shell today and I'm glad to see Cantarell on the Top Menu. 
 The font size is just right for my 1440 x 900 display.  I also don't 
have a problem with the clock being centred.


Looking at the screenshot you took, you have an additional menu item 
(Desktop) in 'activities' mode.  I don't see that in mine and I just 
built this.  Is there something I'm missing?  That functionality is so 
essential to Gnome-shell.  I also noticed that you have monochrome icons 
on the top panel whereas mine has colours with different odd sizes. I 
must be missing something (or my icon-theme may not be compliant ... I 
use Buuf).  Which one is that?


I don't feel too good about the animation that plays at the top left 
(for applications that are starting).  The icon for that is huge.  I 
think we should revisit that animation and think out a better option.


So far so good.  Actually, I don't do the old desktop managers any more. 
 Gnome-shell is the destination for me right now.

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Re: I forgot some things

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 01/25/2011 12:31 AM, jerome wrote:

I added on the right, the list of virtual offices in order to drop the
application directly on the desktop you want.

PERRET Jérôme


I'm still looking forward to testing those mock-ups for real (not in the 
branches yet, I guess).  However, just some small suggestions:


1. Would it not be less busy if you used a glowing/bold typeface for the 
sub-menus/categories rather than the same white-framed text-button ... 
like the one on the main menu?


2. Would be nice if all the text for the menus didn't exceed the space 
between the favourites bar and the scroll-bar (just before the workspace 
bar on the right). I guess that is dependent on the monitor's resolution.


3. Generally, I just can't wait to experience it ... for real.  All of 
it :).  Good work Jimmac.


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Re: Clicking on the text of some notifications does nothing

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 01/24/2011 03:30 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:

Is this a bug, or a feature?

With some notifications, if you click on the icon it'll launch the
related app, and if you click on the text of the notification (e.g.
'abrt applet') it'll pop up a full notification. This is pretty good.
With others, you have to click on the icon to get anything to happen;
clicking on the text does nothing.

For me, this is the case with Xchat and Fedora's update applet: with
both of them, if I click on the text, nothing at all happens. If I click
on the icon, the appropriate action happens (xchat comes to the
foreground, or the update app launches).

The xchat one in particular is really annoying, because it means the
notification acts as if it's running away - i move my mouse over the
icon and it moves away to display the name of the app, clicking on which
does nothing at all! I have to carefully position my pointer over the
icon to make it move away, then carefully move my pointer again to the
new location of the icon to actually click on it and get xchat to
activate...

I think when there's no more detailed notification pop-up to be
displayed when you click the text, clicking the text should simply do
the same as clicking the icon.

(of course I never do this because it's so finicky, I just alt-tab to
it. but still. actually, i think the movement behaviour is a bit buggy
depending on exactly how you move the pointer within the notification
area.)



A HUGE +1 ... same here
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Re: Chatting on Gnome-shell

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 01/21/2011 09:53 AM, Allan Day wrote:

Onyeibo Oku wrote:

After a chat session with a friend while running Gnome-shell, I decided
to illustrate my previous suggestions.  I have attached a screenshot of
my chat (with his permission) here:
http://picturepush.com/public/4899595

My observations once again:
1. Its hard to differentiate between my text and his.
2. The gradients behind the text are supposed to fix the problem in #1
but they don't do that effectively.  They add to the visual chaos.

My Suggestion ... see:
http://picturepush.com/public/4899601
1. I think coloured and/or bold text will do it better
2. Feature requests:  Add the fading to the top of the text scroll as
the text leaves the chat dialogue. Make the Icon more prominent, indent
text to the right if necessary, to allow an enhanced icon.  If it sticks
out, COL!.


I think you're on the right lines here. Have you seen the current mockup
[1] for this? It takes a similar approach.

Best,

Allan

[1]
http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell-design/plain/mockups/static/conversations2.png


*Now that's what I'm talking about*

So when will these mockups make the branches? Someone in this thread 
mentioned that Gnome-shell and Empathy are sharing telepathy and that 
Gnome-shell only seeks to replace the notifications.


It looks more like a full front-end with an input box ... and not just a 
mere notification replacement.  It should then come full with its 
emoticons etc. while Empathy should provide the chat engine.  I don't 
buy the duplication of interface

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Re: New GNOME Shell features

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 01/20/2011 01:57 AM, Allan E. Registos wrote:

Hi to all,

Able to build the latest git version of GNOME Shell, one thing I noticed
after pressing the super key then typing nautilus were the two options
being added at the bottom, google and wikipedia (will be shown if you
type something in the search box).

Very nice and impressive...


+1 to that.



My suggestions:

1. Add the file manager(nautilus) or something that I can be able to
search the file system with the thing that I just typed in the search
box, as I am the person who always need access to the file manager .


I totally align to this suggestion.  I think it might be better to add a 
file header to the right of Applications in overview mode ... and 
have the search list files as you type.  I am still wondering what 
happened to the Recent files list or menu?



2. Google is a company who provides web services including web search,
so it makes sense to rename it to something like Search the Web, or ,
Web Search, or better Search with Google or Search with Yahoo if the
Shell will detect and determine the user's favorite web search engine.
What if my favorite search engine by default in the browser is yahoo?


+1 to that too.


So far so good...

Keep the fun GNOME Shell...

Kind regards,
Allan Registos


Keeping my fingers crossed and waiting for more developments.  I's like 
to experience the mockups online for real.  The fonts, the side bar 
window management etc.


Keep it coming
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Chatting on Gnome-shell

[Onyeibo Oku]

After a chat session with a friend while running Gnome-shell, I decided 
to illustrate my previous suggestions.  I have attached a screenshot of 
my chat (with his permission) here:

http://picturepush.com/public/4899595

My observations once again:
1. Its hard to differentiate between my text and his.
2. The gradients behind the text are supposed to fix the problem in #1 
but they don't do that effectively.  They add to the visual chaos.


My Suggestion ... see:
http://picturepush.com/public/4899601
1. I think coloured and/or bold text will do it better
2. Feature requests:  Add the fading to the top of the text scroll as 
the text leaves the chat dialogue. Make the Icon more prominent, indent 
text to the right if necessary, to allow an enhanced icon.  If it sticks 
out, COL!.

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Re: Chatting on Gnome-shell

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 01/20/2011 06:20 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:



On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Onyeibo Oku twoho...@gmail.com
mailto:twoho...@gmail.com wrote:

After a chat session with a friend while running Gnome-shell, I
decided to illustrate my previous suggestions.  I have attached a
screenshot of my chat (with his permission) here:
http://picturepush.com/public/4899595

My observations once again:
1. Its hard to differentiate between my text and his.
2. The gradients behind the text are supposed to fix the problem in
#1 but they don't do that effectively.  They add to the visual chaos.

My Suggestion ... see:
http://picturepush.com/public/4899601
1. I think coloured and/or bold text will do it better
2. Feature requests:  Add the fading to the top of the text scroll
as the text leaves the chat dialogue. Make the Icon more prominent,
indent text to the right if necessary, to allow an enhanced icon.
  If it sticks out, COL!.


I'd file a bug in bugzilla so that someone working on gnome-shell can
address it.


Okay, I'll try that

 Although I'm not *quite* sure if this is gnome-shell or

empathy (I assume you;'re using empathy?)


Its definitely gnome-shell (front-end) but yeah, ... its using empathy 
at the rear.  Which reminds me, there seems to be a 'battle of wills' 
going on between the two ...about who gets to be seen.  Empathy wants to 
show its face sometimes and when it succeeds there is usually a quirky 
performance in Gnome-shell.  So ... I really don't understand what the 
deal is between Gnome-shell people and empathy hackers.  I like the 
front-end ... it removes the clutter (floating dialogues add to visual 
madness!).  However, the front-end looks dead and robotic without the 
emoticons and colours.


How about trying to fix it?

  We can help.

Wow ... I'm just one Architect/designer/cg-artist who likes to play with 
computers.  I only know enough coding to automate tasks in my work. C, 
C++, and C# is simply not my area.



sri


Onyeibo
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Re: Chatting on Gnome-shell

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 01/20/2011 09:10 PM, Mads Villadsen wrote:


A quick hack to remove the gradient and add some color would be to edit
two classes in gnome-shell.css to this (or something similar):

.chat-received {
 color: #412bad;
 padding-left: 4px;
 border-radius: 4px;
}

.chat-sent {
 color: #dedede;
 padding-left: 4px;
 border-radius: 4px;
}

Then hit Alt-F2 and type rt to reload the theme.

Regards.


Yei! I wouldn't do that again bro!  You should see what happened to the 
entire Gnome-shell UI.  It appears there are other graphical elements 
referencing those.

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Can't build Gnome-Shell

[Onyeibo Oku]

Gnome-Control-Centre is not compiling ...

I get this error:
 Entering directory 
`/home/t2hot/gnome-shell/source/gnome-control-centre/panels/printers'

  CC printers-module.lo
  CC cc-printers-panel.lo
cc-printers-panel.c:28:23: fatal error: cups/cups.h: No such file or 
directory

compilation terminated.

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Re: Can't build Gnome-Shell

[Onyeibo Oku]

I'm updating an existing build.  I have been using Gnome-shell for 
nearly a month now.  So, this is new.  I take it you mean installing 
from the distribution's repo ... or is cups part of Gnome-shell branches 
as the developers call it?


Running an install of cups now ... also assuming that the devel packages 
are needed


On 01/19/2011 05:08 AM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:

You need to install cups. Did you use gnome-shell-build-setup.sh like
said in http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell#building ?

That should have given you something to paste into your command line
that would have installed cups.

If it did, and it didn't fix that, can you please paste what the
script spat out, if you still have it?

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Onyeibo Okutwoho...@gmail.com  wrote:

Gnome-Control-Centre is not compiling ...

I get this error:
  Entering directory
`/home/t2hot/gnome-shell/source/gnome-control-centre/panels/printers'
  CC printers-module.lo
  CC cc-printers-panel.lo
cc-printers-panel.c:28:23: fatal error: cups/cups.h: No such file or
directory
compilation terminated.

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Re: Can't build Gnome-Shell

[Onyeibo Oku]

Passed.

Thanks ... the code really grows.  Today it runs ... tomorrow, it needs 
more to compile. I'm just checking to see what's new, see if the 
symbolic top-panel icons are now included, Account-Service is now 
running, proposed right-hand workspace management is now included etc.


More grease to the developer's elbows!

Thanks

On 01/19/2011 05:49 AM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:

cups is the printer system for OS X and other Unix-likes... it is not
part of gnome development, and is developed by Apple.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Onyeibo Okutwoho...@gmail.com  wrote:

I'm updating an existing build.  I have been using Gnome-shell for nearly a
month now.  So, this is new.  I take it you mean installing from the
distribution's repo ... or is cups part of Gnome-shell branches as the
developers call it?

Running an install of cups now ... also assuming that the devel packages are
needed

On 01/19/2011 05:08 AM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:


You need to install cups. Did you use gnome-shell-build-setup.sh like
said in http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell#building ?

That should have given you something to paste into your command line
that would have installed cups.

If it did, and it didn't fix that, can you please paste what the
script spat out, if you still have it?

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Onyeibo Okutwoho...@gmail.comwrote:


Gnome-Control-Centre is not compiling ...

I get this error:
  Entering directory
`/home/t2hot/gnome-shell/source/gnome-control-centre/panels/printers'
  CC printers-module.lo
  CC cc-printers-panel.lo
cc-printers-panel.c:28:23: fatal error: cups/cups.h: No such file or
directory
compilation terminated.

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Re: How portable is the Jhbuild of Gnome-shell?

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 01/11/2011 02:34 PM, Cyril Arnaud wrote:

To avoid any problem it's advisable to install gnome-shell under /opt
I build gnome shell on one computer and I rsync /opt/gnome-shell to my
other computers (that have the same architecture). It works perfectly.

-Cyril

On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 10:52 +0100, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote:

Le lundi 10 janvier 2011à  10:45 +0100, Onyeibo Oku aécrit :
  I'm thinking of trying Gnome-shell on a different system from the one
  that built it.  Is this possible?  Which files do I need to copy?
You can simply copy ~/gnome-shell/install/, but the two systems must
use:
- the same distribution and release (well, could work without, but...)
- the same CPU architecture (most likely 32 vs. 64 bits)

But you can just try and see what happens, it won't burn your computer!



All systems here run 64bits.  Some have real dual cores (Core 2 Duos), 
some fake dual cores (Pentium-Ds), some Quads ... but all Fedora boxes 
here are 64bits. When you say install gnome-shell under /opt what do 
you mean by install?   You mean # cp ~/gnome-shell /opt/?

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Re: gnome shell not working

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 01/08/2011 08:28 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:

you can run a Rawhide kernel and build a driver from upstream or from a
Rawhide .src.rpm, if you like.

You can complain all you want, but GNOME Shell is not released software,
no-one's under any kind of obligation to hold your hand...


I'll pick the first paragraph sir. :)
You guys do need testers right?  or the end users are not important?

If I really wanted comfort, I know where to find it.
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Re: gnome shell not working

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 01/08/2011 08:34 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:

Are you using the nvidia proprietary drivers? If it's slow going in
and out of the overview while
there's systray icons visible, that's a bug in the nvidia drivers:

http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-devel/2010-December/016876.html

If the things like the calendar dropping down are slow, we'll look into it.


The calender drops fine.
Thanks for the information.
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Re: Gnome-shell won't run any more

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 01/07/2011 02:29 AM, Florian Müllner wrote:

On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 02:01 +0100, Onyeibo Oku wrote:

I ran a jhbuild build a few minutes ago.  Now I'm back to
bare-bones ... no shadows, no pinned dialogues, no 'Activities'.  Why?



mutter: symbol lookup
error: 
/home/t2hot/gnome-shell/install/lib64/gtk-3.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so:
 undefined symbol: gtk_quit_add


A method used by the libcanberra module has been removed from GTK+; just
delete 
/home/t2hot/gnome-shell/install/lib64/gtk-3.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so 
and you should be fine.


On 01/07/2011 02:23 AM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:

$ rm

 ~/gnome-shell/install/lib64/gtk-3.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so


GTK+'s API broke the libcanberra module.


Yeah!  Its back.
You Guys are Awesome.
Huh? Some things changed. A white background  Frame around Windows 
URL/Button in 'Activities'.  Did the nVidia wahala improve or what?


Anyway, Its back!

thanks

Oku, C
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Re: Gnome-shell won't run

[Onyeibo Oku]

Thanks for the heads-up. :)

I'll keep that in mind (I compose on Mozilla Lighting  Thunderbird, 
actually)


Much appreciated. :)

On 01/02/2011 07:37 AM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:

Make sure to hit Reply to All when you reply to a mailing list,
otherwise you will
respond to me and not the mailing list.

You can also enable Default 'Reply to All' in GMail Settings under Labs.

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Onyeibo Okutwoho...@gmail.com  wrote:

On 01/02/2011 05:43 AM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:


Neither of those messages should cause gnome-shell not to run. Is
there anything else?



You are right ... it was running all the while.  I didn't look around to see
the differences as I was already using Gnome-shell (the old preview).  I
will be posting my experiences shortly.

Thanks

OKU, O



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Getting files to Build Gnome-Shell

[Onyeibo Oku]

Hi

I am trying to follow the instructions at 
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell#building.  So far, I have been able to 
get the jhbuild environment (hope that is what it is ...).


When I run: jhbuild build, It starts to clone git.gnome.org starting 
with glib but it never passes that.  I get an EOF error and the process 
repeats.  Here is an example:



jhbuild build
*** Checking out glib *** [1/33]
git clone git://git.gnome.org/glib
Cloning into glib...
remote: Counting objects: 87567, done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (14913/14913), done.
fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly05 MiB | 7 KiB/s
fatal: early EOF
fatal: index-pack failed
*** Error during phase checkout of glib: ## Error running git 
clone git://git.gnome.org/glib *** [1/33]


  [1] Rerun phase checkout
  [2] Ignore error and continue to configure
  [3] Give up on module
  [4] Start shell
  [5] Reload configuration
  [6] Go to phase wipe directory and start over
-

I suspect a network problem ... something I experience consistently with 
my internet providers.  I'm wondering if there is another way to get the 
needed files for building Gnome-shell ... something like a bz2 or tar 
archive of the current snapshot.  It would be easier using wget to pull 
one archive since it can resume after a network reset.


It will gladden my heart to join the Gnome-shell testers and report bugs 
as necessary.


Regards
Oku, C
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Re: jhbuild error

[Onyeibo Oku]

Tried to build Gnome-shell,  I get the following error:

$ jhbuild build
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /home/t2hot/Source/jhbuild/jhbuild/config.py, line 212, in load
execfile(self.filename, config)
  File /home/t2hot/.jhbuildrc, line 1
!DOCTYPE html PUbliC -//W3C//Dtd XHTML basic 1.0//EN
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
jhbuild: could not load config file


Regards
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Re: Gnome-3, First Impressions

[Onyeibo Oku]

On 12/16/2010 02:56 PM, Johannes Schmid wrote:

Hi!


4. Gnome-shell is not allowing multiple instances of an application.  Is
this intentional? Attempts to open a new instance opens a running
instance (gnome-shell faithfully brings you to the workspace occupied by
the active instance).  Sometimes I succeed in spawning another instance
via the terminal ... but replicating that success wasn't always successful.


That's a design decision. You can use the context menu (right-click) of
the launchers to start another instance.

Regards,
Johannes


I understand what you're talking about ... but clicking on New Window 
from that menu gives me a running instance.  This could be a bug.  It 
doesn't always happen that way anyway.  For example, I tried to take a 
screenshot a few minutes ago.  The application wouldn't start ... there 
was no running instance.  Meanwhile, the bottom toaster announcer said 
the application had started.  I got no visuals, like it was running 
silently or something.  The only method that consistently executes an 
application is dragging the icon unto a workspace. Then, I see the GUI 
appear in that workspace and everything is okay.


So, yes ... I'm having another preview already.  Let's say, I'm 
beginning to enjoy the work-flow ... and adapt to the mouse gestures. 
Natural ... somewhat.


Reiterating on my earlier observations (the graphics): I went further to 
apply the Gnome 3 desktop theme with its borders.  I see where the 
graphics is going.  Though I can't recall installing the theme.  I 
suppose it came with the preview package.  However, I spotted an Oops 
somewhere again.  The maximize, minimize and close buttons are not 
interactive. No visual effects ... just still like a picture (its a 
picture anyway )!  Here is the area: 
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/7279/screenshotcnb.png


Taking a distant look at the desktop, I still think the proportion of 
the fonts at the top pane is a little too big with respect to the other 
elements on the screen. Take a 
look:http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9179/screenshotkmm.png . I love 
that Chat menu ... makes me wonder where Empathy/Pidgin fall into the 
scheme of things. Although, the gradient/fading text backgrounds should 
disappear entirely.


With the changes I see so far, I suppose there will be new 
specifications for Desktop  Icon themes.  Any lead to these new 
standards is highly appreciated. I should get myself psyched up for some 
icon works.


This is good.

Onyeibo

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Gnome-3, First Impressions

[Onyeibo Oku]

Hello(s)

Today, I experienced Gnome-Shell for the first time. Nice Graphics ... 
could be better though (fonts on the top are too large).   I suppose its 
too early for HOW-TOs as I found myself itching for manipulations.  I 
like to adjust things.  That said, I have a few things on my mind:


1. The preview leaves the user wondering how to get to administrative 
dialogues. I found it odd having to click on activities, then 
providing a search string to locate certain dialogues.  I hope this 
falls into the category of That's a WIP ... we'll fix that.


2. I like the way chat clients occupy the lower right ... looking very 
integrated. I do have reservations for the graphics around there. Series 
of rectangular bars bearing texts doesn't look integrating. I'd rather 
have it all black with white text fading into the top border as the 
text scrolls up.  That's one man's dream anyway.  We all have preferences


3. The announcer that says This dialog is Ready should be all 
sensitive to clicks. I get focus only when I click the Icon. That's not 
good.


4. Gnome-shell is not allowing multiple instances of an application.  Is 
this intentional? Attempts to open a new instance opens a running 
instance (gnome-shell faithfully brings you to the workspace occupied by 
the active instance).  Sometimes I succeed in spawning another instance 
via the terminal ... but replicating that success wasn't always successful.


Okay, I think that's the much I remember.  I'll have another preview 
sometime later ...


Regards
Onyeibo
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Gnome-3, First Impression

[Onyeibo Oku]

Hello(s)

Today, I experienced Gnome-Shell for the first time. Nice Graphics ... 
could be better though (fonts on the top are too large).   I suppose its 
too early for HOW-TOs as I found myself itching for manipulations.  I 
like to adjust things.  That said, I have a few things on my mind:


1. The preview leaves the user wondering how to get to administrative 
dialogues. I found it odd having to click on activities, then 
providing a search string to locate certain dialogues.  I hope this 
falls into the category of That's a WIP ... we'll fix that.


2. I like the way chat clients occupy the lower right ... looking very 
integrated. I do have reservations for the graphics around there. Series 
of rectangular bars bearing texts doesn't look integrating. I'd rather 
have it all black with white text fading into the top border as the 
text scrolls up.  That's one man's dream anyway.  We all have preferences


3. The announcer that says This dialog is Ready should be all 
sensitive to clicks. I get focus only when I click the Icon. That's not 
good.


4. Gnome-shell is not allowing multiple instances of an application.  Is 
this intentional? Attempts to open a new instance opens a running 
instance (gnome-shell faithfully brings you to the workspace occupied by 
the active instance).  Sometimes I succeed in spawning another instance 
via the terminal ... but replicating that success wasn't always successful.


Okay, I think that's the much I remember.  I'll have another preview 
sometime later ...


Regards
Onyeibo
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