Re: Chatting on Gnome-shell
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 19:47 +0100, Onyeibo Oku wrote: It looks more like a full front-end with an input box ... and not just a mere notification replacement. It should then come full with its emoticons etc. while Empathy should provide the chat engine. I don't buy the duplication of interface Chat engine is called telepathy. It was design in way that many front-ends can use it as a backend concurrently. While I'm fine with some notification tweaking I don't think that IM should be put into gnome-shell directly (as then would be e-mail, file manager, music player...). Regards PS. Personally I find using chat in gnome-shell hard to use - I prefer to use separate windows. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Chatting on Gnome-shell
On 01/21/2011 09:53 AM, Allan Day wrote: Onyeibo Oku wrote: After a chat session with a friend while running Gnome-shell, I decided to illustrate my previous suggestions. I have attached a screenshot of my chat (with his permission) here: http://picturepush.com/public/4899595 My observations once again: 1. Its hard to differentiate between my text and his. 2. The gradients behind the text are supposed to fix the problem in #1 but they don't do that effectively. They add to the visual chaos. My Suggestion ... see: http://picturepush.com/public/4899601 1. I think coloured and/or bold text will do it better 2. Feature requests: Add the fading to the top of the text scroll as the text leaves the chat dialogue. Make the Icon more prominent, indent text to the right if necessary, to allow an enhanced icon. If it sticks out, COL!. I think you're on the right lines here. Have you seen the current mockup [1] for this? It takes a similar approach. Best, Allan [1] http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell-design/plain/mockups/static/conversations2.png *Now that's what I'm talking about* So when will these mockups make the branches? Someone in this thread mentioned that Gnome-shell and Empathy are sharing telepathy and that Gnome-shell only seeks to replace the notifications. It looks more like a full front-end with an input box ... and not just a mere notification replacement. It should then come full with its emoticons etc. while Empathy should provide the chat engine. I don't buy the duplication of interface ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Chatting on Gnome-shell
I said that both Empathy and Gnome-Shell are interfaces for Telepathy, which is the real Chat Engine. Telepathy is the thing that allows you to chat, Empathy is a GTK+ client for Telepathy that hooks up the Telepathy machinery to GTK+ and displays it on screen. That said, as I understand it, the only front-ends that I've seen are the ones on the Shell, Moblin, Empathy, and the Sugar stuff. Someone might want to correct me on this, but Telepathy is also going to support a contact service called libfolks that will be used by Evolution, the Shell and Empathy. What I meant by the special-casing last time was that if you don't use gnome-shell, you'll get a notification like You got a message! That's going to go away in Empathy eventually, but for the mean time our notification service blocks out those notifications, as the native Telepathy integration in the Shell takes over. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Onyeibo Oku twoho...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/21/2011 09:53 AM, Allan Day wrote: Onyeibo Oku wrote: After a chat session with a friend while running Gnome-shell, I decided to illustrate my previous suggestions. I have attached a screenshot of my chat (with his permission) here: http://picturepush.com/public/4899595 My observations once again: 1. Its hard to differentiate between my text and his. 2. The gradients behind the text are supposed to fix the problem in #1 but they don't do that effectively. They add to the visual chaos. My Suggestion ... see: http://picturepush.com/public/4899601 1. I think coloured and/or bold text will do it better 2. Feature requests: Add the fading to the top of the text scroll as the text leaves the chat dialogue. Make the Icon more prominent, indent text to the right if necessary, to allow an enhanced icon. If it sticks out, COL!. I think you're on the right lines here. Have you seen the current mockup [1] for this? It takes a similar approach. Best, Allan [1] http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell-design/plain/mockups/static/conversations2.png *Now that's what I'm talking about* So when will these mockups make the branches? Someone in this thread mentioned that Gnome-shell and Empathy are sharing telepathy and that Gnome-shell only seeks to replace the notifications. It looks more like a full front-end with an input box ... and not just a mere notification replacement. It should then come full with its emoticons etc. while Empathy should provide the chat engine. I don't buy the duplication of interface ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Chatting on Gnome-shell
After a chat session with a friend while running Gnome-shell, I decided to illustrate my previous suggestions. I have attached a screenshot of my chat (with his permission) here: http://picturepush.com/public/4899595 My observations once again: 1. Its hard to differentiate between my text and his. 2. The gradients behind the text are supposed to fix the problem in #1 but they don't do that effectively. They add to the visual chaos. My Suggestion ... see: http://picturepush.com/public/4899601 1. I think coloured and/or bold text will do it better 2. Feature requests: Add the fading to the top of the text scroll as the text leaves the chat dialogue. Make the Icon more prominent, indent text to the right if necessary, to allow an enhanced icon. If it sticks out, COL!. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Chatting on Gnome-shell
On 01/20/2011 06:20 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Onyeibo Oku twoho...@gmail.com mailto:twoho...@gmail.com wrote: After a chat session with a friend while running Gnome-shell, I decided to illustrate my previous suggestions. I have attached a screenshot of my chat (with his permission) here: http://picturepush.com/public/4899595 My observations once again: 1. Its hard to differentiate between my text and his. 2. The gradients behind the text are supposed to fix the problem in #1 but they don't do that effectively. They add to the visual chaos. My Suggestion ... see: http://picturepush.com/public/4899601 1. I think coloured and/or bold text will do it better 2. Feature requests: Add the fading to the top of the text scroll as the text leaves the chat dialogue. Make the Icon more prominent, indent text to the right if necessary, to allow an enhanced icon. If it sticks out, COL!. I'd file a bug in bugzilla so that someone working on gnome-shell can address it. Okay, I'll try that Although I'm not *quite* sure if this is gnome-shell or empathy (I assume you;'re using empathy?) Its definitely gnome-shell (front-end) but yeah, ... its using empathy at the rear. Which reminds me, there seems to be a 'battle of wills' going on between the two ...about who gets to be seen. Empathy wants to show its face sometimes and when it succeeds there is usually a quirky performance in Gnome-shell. So ... I really don't understand what the deal is between Gnome-shell people and empathy hackers. I like the front-end ... it removes the clutter (floating dialogues add to visual madness!). However, the front-end looks dead and robotic without the emoticons and colours. How about trying to fix it? We can help. Wow ... I'm just one Architect/designer/cg-artist who likes to play with computers. I only know enough coding to automate tasks in my work. C, C++, and C# is simply not my area. sri Onyeibo ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Chatting on Gnome-shell
gnome-shell does not care about Empathy. Both use Telepathy as the backend, the only special casing for Empathy in the shell is making sure to not show You got a message notifications because the shell will take them over. On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Onyeibo Oku twoho...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/20/2011 06:20 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Onyeibo Oku twoho...@gmail.com mailto:twoho...@gmail.com wrote: After a chat session with a friend while running Gnome-shell, I decided to illustrate my previous suggestions. I have attached a screenshot of my chat (with his permission) here: http://picturepush.com/public/4899595 My observations once again: 1. Its hard to differentiate between my text and his. 2. The gradients behind the text are supposed to fix the problem in #1 but they don't do that effectively. They add to the visual chaos. My Suggestion ... see: http://picturepush.com/public/4899601 1. I think coloured and/or bold text will do it better 2. Feature requests: Add the fading to the top of the text scroll as the text leaves the chat dialogue. Make the Icon more prominent, indent text to the right if necessary, to allow an enhanced icon. If it sticks out, COL!. I'd file a bug in bugzilla so that someone working on gnome-shell can address it. Okay, I'll try that Although I'm not *quite* sure if this is gnome-shell or empathy (I assume you;'re using empathy?) Its definitely gnome-shell (front-end) but yeah, ... its using empathy at the rear. Which reminds me, there seems to be a 'battle of wills' going on between the two ...about who gets to be seen. Empathy wants to show its face sometimes and when it succeeds there is usually a quirky performance in Gnome-shell. So ... I really don't understand what the deal is between Gnome-shell people and empathy hackers. I like the front-end ... it removes the clutter (floating dialogues add to visual madness!). However, the front-end looks dead and robotic without the emoticons and colours. How about trying to fix it? We can help. Wow ... I'm just one Architect/designer/cg-artist who likes to play with computers. I only know enough coding to automate tasks in my work. C, C++, and C# is simply not my area. sri Onyeibo ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Chatting on Gnome-shell
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:39 +0100, Onyeibo Oku wrote:
My Suggestion ... see:
http://picturepush.com/public/4899601
1. I think coloured and/or bold text will do it better
2. Feature requests: Add the fading to the top of the text scroll
as the text leaves the chat dialogue. Make the Icon more prominent,
indent text to the right if necessary, to allow an enhanced icon.
If it sticks out, COL!.
A quick hack to remove the gradient and add some color would be to edit
two classes in gnome-shell.css to this (or something similar):
.chat-received {
color: #412bad;
padding-left: 4px;
border-radius: 4px;
}
.chat-sent {
color: #dedede;
padding-left: 4px;
border-radius: 4px;
}
Then hit Alt-F2 and type rt to reload the theme.
Regards.
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Re: Chatting on Gnome-shell
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Onyeibo Oku twoho...@gmail.com wrote: I'd file a bug in bugzilla so that someone working on gnome-shell can address it. Okay, I'll try that Although I'm not *quite* sure if this is gnome-shell or empathy (I assume you;'re using empathy?) Its definitely gnome-shell (front-end) but yeah, ... its using empathy at the rear. Which reminds me, there seems to be a 'battle of wills' going on between the two ...about who gets to be seen. Empathy wants to show its face sometimes and when it succeeds there is usually a quirky performance in Gnome-shell. So ... I really don't understand what the deal is between Gnome-shell people and empathy hackers. I like the front-end ... it removes the clutter (floating dialogues add to visual madness!). However, the front-end looks dead and robotic without the emoticons and colours. How about trying to fix it? We can help. Wow ... I'm just one Architect/designer/cg-artist who likes to play with computers. I only know enough coding to automate tasks in my work. C, C++, and C# is simply not my area. In this case, I don't think coding is involved. I believe this is a CSS stylesheet issue. sri ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Chatting on Gnome-shell
On 01/20/2011 09:10 PM, Mads Villadsen wrote:
A quick hack to remove the gradient and add some color would be to edit
two classes in gnome-shell.css to this (or something similar):
.chat-received {
color: #412bad;
padding-left: 4px;
border-radius: 4px;
}
.chat-sent {
color: #dedede;
padding-left: 4px;
border-radius: 4px;
}
Then hit Alt-F2 and type rt to reload the theme.
Regards.
Yei! I wouldn't do that again bro! You should see what happened to the
entire Gnome-shell UI. It appears there are other graphical elements
referencing those.
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