Re: Fwd: Instant Message notifications
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:08 +0200, Elia Cogodi wrote: After all, you can already left or middle click the scrollbar, drag it, mousewheel it. On a touch screen there will be inertial scrolling gestures, and for a11y the small arrow button is certainly not that great... Not everyone have mouse wheel (I use trackpoint so I don't have any mouse wheel, I can emulate it but I prefer to have middle button) or touchscreen. Dragging doesn't work in all software - particulary editors (gedit, libreoffice/openoffice writer etc.). Left click/middle click for long documents doesn't work if it is near the bottom as you run into the same problems. Regards signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Fwd: Instant Message notifications
Sure, not everybody has touch screens, mouse wheels or touchpads with gestures, but... - AFAIK the trigger area for the message tray is 1 pixel high. Thus left and middle click on scroll bar should work ok as long as the user doesn't slam into the very bottom. - trouble seems to mostly arise when you have no status bar in the maximized window, because that's when your arrow button falls in the very corner. By default editors such as gedit or libreoffice writer (where the functionality of 1-line-height scrolling has more sense) actually do show a status bar, or in the case of libreoffice writer even have custom navigation widgets in that corner, above the status bar. - Also, it's not like you can't reach the arrow button, if you really need it... you just need a more careful positioning to use it. That's the common case for users of Windows (where you have the task bar/ notification area) and Mac users (maximized windows aren't even a common case, and the dock by default takes up quite a lot of bottom screen space). Do Linux applications really rely that much on that bottom right corner in a substantially different way, that it must be slam-friendly when maximized? - When you _really, really_ don't want any chrome to show, ever, I think the correct behaviour would actually be to encourage fullscreen: tap F11, work as you want without seeing anything of the shell unless you willingly press the super key for overview or exit the fullscreen mode. I agree that the current jack-in.the-box behaviour of the message tray is sometimes obnoxious. It's just that moving the hot corner to the left doesn't solve the fundamental problem as soon as all four corners have a function, which is something to hope for IMO. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Maciej Marcin Piechotka uzytkown...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:08 +0200, Elia Cogodi wrote: After all, you can already left or middle click the scrollbar, drag it, mousewheel it. On a touch screen there will be inertial scrolling gestures, and for a11y the small arrow button is certainly not that great... Not everyone have mouse wheel (I use trackpoint so I don't have any mouse wheel, I can emulate it but I prefer to have middle button) or touchscreen. Dragging doesn't work in all software - particulary editors (gedit, libreoffice/openoffice writer etc.). Left click/middle click for long documents doesn't work if it is near the bottom as you run into the same problems. Regards ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list -- Elia ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Fwd: Instant Message notifications
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 11:41 +0200, Elia Cogodi wrote: Sure, not everybody has touch screens, mouse wheels or touchpads with gestures, but... - AFAIK the trigger area for the message tray is 1 pixel high. Thus left and middle click on scroll bar should work ok as long as the user doesn't slam into the very bottom. The message tray area is one mile high[1] ;) and it is separated by few pixels from the button which itself may be small. Other case is the close button on really big dialogs. If you go to the corner it is very easy to trigger it by accident - at least I find it easy and I belive I don't have mouse skills below the average. [1] http://joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog63.html - trouble seems to mostly arise when you have no status bar in the maximized window, because that's when your arrow button falls in the very corner. By default editors such as gedit or libreoffice writer (where the functionality of 1-line-height scrolling has more sense) actually do show a status bar, or in the case of libreoffice writer even have custom navigation widgets in that corner, above the status bar. Take the epiphany and long article then. I may check with what applications but I do trigger notification bar by accident although with lower and lower frequency. - When you _really, really_ don't want any chrome to show, ever, I think the correct behaviour would actually be to encourage fullscreen: tap F11, work as you want without seeing anything of the shell unless you willingly press the super key for overview or exit the fullscreen mode. I often have always on top enabled because I concurrently want to have documentation and text editor/terminal/ide opened. I believe the always-on-top being the killer feature of Linux WM - both my friends (both technical/power users and non-technical/advanced-but-not-power users) wish it was present on other operating systems. Regards PS. I'm not UI designer but don't we have a paradox - we hide notification bay to save space then nearly 'require' to have status bar to 'waste' it. I know we have to take care about both big screens as well as netbooks but maybe on highier resolution, where the buttons are relatively smaller, we may just not hide message tray? Just an idea (from person with advantage of ignorance in UI design). signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
