RE: The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

2012-02-24 Thread shuihuzhuan
Thanks everybody for your workarounds. 

I will use automatic login feature of GDM (ie login that don't ask passwords, 
though they are still enabled). At least while the kids are still young...

The only drawback is that the password is now asked the first time I open 
evolution 
but you can't have everything :- and it's more secure in that way.

There's still not so smooth switch of screens in my opinion : GS - GDM - GS. 
See the thread 
fast user switch or an other idea :
When clicking in the menu switch user, instead of switching to a different 
screen for 
GDM, integrate it in the GS session, like :
1 - dim the whole screen
2 - open a dialog with the list of accounts to choose
3 - do the login stuff
4 - then switch directly to the new session

I think it would be smoother and better integrated in that way.

And thanks for all the improvements you made. Gnome3 is really better than 
gnome2
and other desktops I tried past twenty years. It needs only really few 
tweakings to suit
my taste.
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RE: The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

2012-02-24 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le jeudi 23 février 2012 à 16:51 +, Gabriel Rossetti a écrit :
 Sorry, using a terrible email client, can't reply inline well.
 
 I don't agree, he wants to be able to login graphically without having
 to use a password, not by commandline. I think both aren't great, but
 at least the 1st one forces an attacker to have physical access to the
 machine whereas the 2nd would allow remote login.

 I agree you can do that (disable the remote logins) , but it sounds
 like he may not know how to do that (since he doesn't know how to
 configure passwordless login) and even if he does he may one day
 enable it for whatever reason and forget that he deleted the user's
 password and thus opening his computer to the world (or just about).
With a properly configured system, which most distros do by default, you
won't be allowed to login without password with SSH. One really needs to
hack the config files by hand to allow this madness. So that's not the
problem.

 You can change that setting via a GUI by the way, on Gnome Shell you
 do it this way:
 
  1) Open system settings
  2) Click on User Accounts
  3) Click on Unlock, enter your password
  4) Toggle the Automatic Login switch
 
 This way he get what he wants and at least doesn't allow
 current/future passwordless remote logins.
This solution only works when starting the computer, it doesn't help for
user switching.


If your distribution is shipping the default PAM configuration file for
GDM[1] (Ubuntu at least does, but e.g. Fedora doesn't), then adding your
user to the 'nopasswdlogin' group is enough to login/switch users
without typing the password. You still have a password e.g. to login via
SSH. A single line in /etc/pam.d/gdm is enough to enable this:
auth   sufficient  pam_succeed_if.so user ingroup nopasswdlogin

It's a available as a GUI option in users-admin, but sadly it's not been
added to the new users panel.


1: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/tree/data/gdm
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RE: The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

2012-02-24 Thread Gabriel Rossetti
Ok, thanks for the info. I would like to also point out that Ubuntu no longer 
uses GDM but LightDM instead. Not sure what changes in what you said, does 
anyone else know?

Thanks,
Gabriel

-Original Message-
From: Milan Bouchet-Valat [mailto:nalimi...@club.fr]
Sent: 24 February 2012 10:10
To: Gabriel Rossetti
Cc: awill...@whitemice.org; gnome-shell-list@gnome.org
Subject: RE: The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

Le jeudi 23 février 2012 à 16:51 +, Gabriel Rossetti a écrit :
 Sorry, using a terrible email client, can't reply inline well.

 I don't agree, he wants to be able to login graphically without having
 to use a password, not by commandline. I think both aren't great, but
 at least the 1st one forces an attacker to have physical access to the
 machine whereas the 2nd would allow remote login.

 I agree you can do that (disable the remote logins) , but it sounds
 like he may not know how to do that (since he doesn't know how to
 configure passwordless login) and even if he does he may one day
 enable it for whatever reason and forget that he deleted the user's
 password and thus opening his computer to the world (or just about).
With a properly configured system, which most distros do by default, you
won't be allowed to login without password with SSH. One really needs to
hack the config files by hand to allow this madness. So that's not the
problem.

 You can change that setting via a GUI by the way, on Gnome Shell you
 do it this way:

  1) Open system settings
  2) Click on User Accounts
  3) Click on Unlock, enter your password
  4) Toggle the Automatic Login switch

 This way he get what he wants and at least doesn't allow
 current/future passwordless remote logins.
This solution only works when starting the computer, it doesn't help for
user switching.


If your distribution is shipping the default PAM configuration file for
GDM[1] (Ubuntu at least does, but e.g. Fedora doesn't), then adding your
user to the 'nopasswdlogin' group is enough to login/switch users
without typing the password. You still have a password e.g. to login via
SSH. A single line in /etc/pam.d/gdm is enough to enable this:
auth   sufficient  pam_succeed_if.so user ingroup nopasswdlogin

It's a available as a GUI option in users-admin, but sadly it's not been
added to the new users panel.


1: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/tree/data/gdm



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RE: The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

2012-02-24 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le vendredi 24 février 2012 à 09:13 +, Gabriel Rossetti a écrit :
 Ok, thanks for the info. I would like to also point out that Ubuntu no
 longer uses GDM but LightDM instead. Not sure what changes in what you
 said, does anyone else know?
Have a look at /etc/pam.d. There must be a 'lightdm' file there, you can
check whether the line I quoted in my mail is present.
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RE: The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

2012-02-24 Thread clemens
hi,

just wanted to say that i had problems with ubuntu 11.10 and gdm
autologin. gdm/shell doesnt start and you end with a black screen. 
i switched back to lightdm which works. 

clemens


Am Freitag, den 24.02.2012, 09:13 + schrieb Gabriel Rossetti:
 Ok, thanks for the info. I would like to also point out that Ubuntu no longer 
 uses GDM but LightDM instead. Not sure what changes in what you said, does 
 anyone else know?
 
 Thanks,
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RE: The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

2012-02-24 Thread shuihuzhuan
Thanks Milan, that's what I did in fact ('nopasswdlogin'), because the computer 
can't know
when booting who wants to connect (me or my wife)!

I think also that it should be added to the new users panel (that's why I 
prefer to use users-admin).

PS (not the place I think to discuss that, but since it has been asked) :
GDM works great on my desktop ubuntu-11.10 64bits with nopasswdlogin
GDM crashes on my laptop ubuntu-11.10 32bits (something related to libnss as I 
recall) so can't try
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RE: The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

2012-02-23 Thread Gabriel Rossetti
Sorry, using a terrible email client, can't reply inline well.

I don't agree, he wants to be able to login graphically without having to use a 
password, not by commandline. I think both aren't great, but at least the 1st 
one forces an attacker to have physical access to the machine whereas the 2nd 
would allow remote login.

I agree you can do that (disable the remote logins) , but it sounds like he may 
not know how to do that (since he doesn't know how to configure passwordless 
login) and even if he does he may one day enable it for whatever reason and 
forget that he deleted the user's password and thus opening his computer to the 
world (or just about).

You can change that setting via a GUI by the way, on Gnome Shell you do it this 
way:

 1) Open system settings
 2) Click on User Accounts
 3) Click on Unlock, enter your password
 4) Toggle the Automatic Login switch

This way he get what he wants and at least doesn't allow current/future 
passwordless remote logins.

Gabriel

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Sent: 23 February 2012 17:41
To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org
Subject: RE: The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

On Wed, 2012-02-22 at 08:12 +, Gabriel Rossetti wrote:
 I wouldn’t run passwd –d username, that will allow anyone to remote
 into your machine with no password unless I’m mistaking...

Yes, but that's what he wants.  There is no point in pretending what he
wants isn't a terrible idea.

Just make sure remote access is disabled [which is the default on most
current distributions].

 There is an option somewhere to allow password-less logins on the UI,
 I’d use that if I were you.

/etc/sysconfig/displaymanager set DISPLAYMANAGER_PASSWORD_LESS_LOGIN to
yes.  At least on openSUSE.  That might work.



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RE: The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

2012-02-22 Thread Gabriel Rossetti
Hi,

I wouldn’t run passwd –d username, that will allow anyone to remote into your 
machine with no password unless I’m mistaking... There is an option somewhere 
to allow password-less logins on the UI, I’d use that if I were you.

Cheers,
Gabriel

From: gnome-shell-list-boun...@gnome.org 
[mailto:gnome-shell-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Ray Strode
Sent: 21 February 2012 23:57
To: shuihuzh...@free.fr
Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

Hi,
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:33 AM, 
shuihuzh...@free.frmailto:shuihuzh...@free.fr wrote:
[1] Does anyone knows how to EASILY switch between open sessions (I know I can 
CTRL+Fn, but it's too cryptic for my wife). There was a rapid-user-switch or 
something like that before. Now there's only a 'switch user' that leads to gdm 
and then you select the account and then each time you have to type in the 
password and finally you are... but it's a pain.
You can avoid the enter password step by running passwd -d username for you 
and your wife's username.

I realize that's not as quick as the original fast user switch applet, but stll 
should cut down on some typing for you.

--Ray



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Re: The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

2012-02-22 Thread shuihuzhuan

Hi Jasper,

I understand that screensavers are not needed to save screen anymore. But they 
had for me another functionality : 
enjoy the screen when I'm not using the computer (like a big photoframe). It's 
nice (but sometimes distracting) 
to have a random slideshow -automaticaly- enabled/disabled (I didn't used the 
other screensavers).

However, if I try to do a simple slideshow program to replace gnome-screensaver 
(no locking, no user-switch just an automatic slideshow), what's the minimum 
required interface to be recognised/used by gnome as a screensaver (so it can 
be activated when idle, but not when watching a film or shotwell's slideshow)? 
Is it all via dbus, a screensaver-command interface or something completly 
different? (my C skills are 15y old without practice, so reading the C code of 
gnome-screensaver is not very meaningfull to me or it would take years to 
begin).

And thanks for your reply

- Mail original -
De: Jasper St. Pierre jstpie...@mecheye.net
À: shuihuzh...@free.fr
Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org
Envoyé: Mardi 21 Février 2012 18:03:59
Objet: Re: The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

I think it's just removing things of a passing era gone by to save
some space. The issues that screensavers solved were fixed in the
hardware at least ten years ago. And as just a side note, my Windows 7
machine didn't ship with anything other than a blank screensaver,
either.

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The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

2012-02-21 Thread shuihuzhuan
Well,

The switch in terminology between 'screensaving' and 'screenlocking' may be 
useful in corporates. But at home it's less meaningfull/usefull (at least for 
me). And it doesn't seem to completly replace the previous screensaver 
functionality.

Previous screensavers had 2 different functionalities :
- screenwaiting : display nice things when the computer is idle-ing (slideshow, 
fancy animations ...), user-adjustable.
- screenlocking : lock the session access (for those who need to, optional and 
not mandatory).

The first functionality is missing and there's still no plans to replace it (as 
I understand).

I share the computer with my wife (2 different accounts). We always disable the 
user-locking functionality (no use and just annoying [1]). But since the move 
to gnome3, we really miss the old screensaving behaviour (ie after few minutes 
of inactivity, display a nice slideshow on the screen). 
I know we can :
1 - replace gnome-screensaver with xscreensaver, but then I can't find how to 
completly disable the locking functionality (particularly when we switch 
between sessions) so I dropped it
2 - replace gnome-screensaver, and write my own screenslideshow but it may well 
exceed my very low programming skills.

So we only have a sad blank screen for the moment.

The plan for screenlocking doesn't seem to be user-adjustable but instead a 
fixed design. But I could be wrong.

Thanks
Herve

[1] Does anyone knows how to EASILY switch between open sessions (I know I can 
CTRL+Fn, but it's too cryptic for my wife). There was a rapid-user-switch or 
something like that before. Now there's only a 'switch user' that leads to gdm 
and then you select the account and then each time you have to type in the 
password and finally you are... but it's a pain.
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Re: The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

2012-02-21 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
I think it's just removing things of a passing era gone by to save
some space. The issues that screensavers solved were fixed in the
hardware at least ten years ago. And as just a side note, my Windows 7
machine didn't ship with anything other than a blank screensaver,
either.

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:33 AM,  shuihuzh...@free.fr wrote:
 Well,

 The switch in terminology between 'screensaving' and 'screenlocking' may be 
 useful in corporates. But at home it's less meaningfull/usefull (at least for 
 me). And it doesn't seem to completly replace the previous screensaver 
 functionality.

 Previous screensavers had 2 different functionalities :
 - screenwaiting : display nice things when the computer is idle-ing 
 (slideshow, fancy animations ...), user-adjustable.
 - screenlocking : lock the session access (for those who need to, optional 
 and not mandatory).

 The first functionality is missing and there's still no plans to replace it 
 (as I understand).

 I share the computer with my wife (2 different accounts). We always disable 
 the user-locking functionality (no use and just annoying [1]). But since the 
 move to gnome3, we really miss the old screensaving behaviour (ie after few 
 minutes of inactivity, display a nice slideshow on the screen).
 I know we can :
 1 - replace gnome-screensaver with xscreensaver, but then I can't find how to 
 completly disable the locking functionality (particularly when we switch 
 between sessions) so I dropped it
 2 - replace gnome-screensaver, and write my own screenslideshow but it may 
 well exceed my very low programming skills.

 So we only have a sad blank screen for the moment.

 The plan for screenlocking doesn't seem to be user-adjustable but instead a 
 fixed design. But I could be wrong.

 Thanks
 Herve

 [1] Does anyone knows how to EASILY switch between open sessions (I know I 
 can CTRL+Fn, but it's too cryptic for my wife). There was a rapid-user-switch 
 or something like that before. Now there's only a 'switch user' that leads to 
 gdm and then you select the account and then each time you have to type in 
 the password and finally you are... but it's a pain.
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Re: The lost screenwaiter [Was: The lost screensaver]

2012-02-21 Thread Ray Strode
Hi,

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:33 AM, shuihuzh...@free.fr wrote:

 [1] Does anyone knows how to EASILY switch between open sessions (I know I
 can CTRL+Fn, but it's too cryptic for my wife). There was a
 rapid-user-switch or something like that before. Now there's only a 'switch
 user' that leads to gdm and then you select the account and then each time
 you have to type in the password and finally you are... but it's a pain.

You can avoid the enter password step by running passwd -d username for
you and your wife's username.

I realize that's not as quick as the original fast user switch applet, but
stll should cut down on some typing for you.

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Re: The lost screensaver

2012-02-19 Thread Gabriel
What do yo mean no plans for a screensaver? I currently just have it 
blank the screen after 10 min and ask for a password if I come back, 
you're telling me this will go away if I upgrade to 3.4?


Gabriel

On 02/19/2012 07:12 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:



On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Donato Marrazzo 
donato.marra...@gmail.com mailto:donato.marra...@gmail.com wrote:


Somebody know where did the screensaver go?
Any hope to see it again in 3.4?


There is no plans for a screensaver.  That I'm aware of.
sri

Thanks,
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Re: The lost screensaver

2012-02-19 Thread Reda Lazri
He probably meant that there is no plans for a
*[traditional]*screensaver. (the ones with  flowers and birds...) :)

I think the name 'screensaver' needs to go away too. No screens are being
saved here.

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Gabriel rossetti.gabr...@gmail.comwrote:

  What do yo mean no plans for a screensaver? I currently just have it
 blank the screen after 10 min and ask for a password if I come back, you're
 telling me this will go away if I upgrade to 3.4?

 Gabriel

 On 02/19/2012 07:12 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:



 On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Donato Marrazzo 
 donato.marra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Somebody know where did the screensaver go?
 Any hope to see it again in 3.4?


 There is no plans for a screensaver.  That I'm aware of.
 sri


 Thanks,
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Re: The lost screensaver

2012-02-19 Thread Peter Petrisson
2012/2/19 Gabriel rossetti.gabr...@gmail.com:
 What do yo mean no plans for a screensaver? I currently just have it blank
 the screen after 10 min and ask for a password if I come back, you're
 telling me this will go away if I upgrade to 3.4?

No, because Android and iOS are only using black screens as
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Re: The lost screensaver

2012-02-19 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le dimanche 19 février 2012 à 13:17 +0100, Peter Petrisson a écrit :
 2012/2/19 Gabriel rossetti.gabr...@gmail.com:
  What do yo mean no plans for a screensaver? I currently just have it blank
  the screen after 10 min and ask for a password if I come back, you're
  telling me this will go away if I upgrade to 3.4?
 No, because Android and iOS are only using black screens as
 screensaver the same will be done in Gnome.
Please stop trolling and read carefully his question. He wants a blank
screen, not a fancy animated screensaver. So even the information you
give (Android and iOS are only using black screens) is completely
unrelated to his concern.

FWIW, I really doubt the blank screensaver will go away, that would be
nonsense. You're just experiencing a bug.
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Re: The lost screensaver

2012-02-19 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
Yes, the blank screen will be replaced with the Lock Screen:

https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/ScreenLock

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Gabriel rossetti.gabr...@gmail.com wrote:
 What do yo mean no plans for a screensaver? I currently just have it blank
 the screen after 10 min and ask for a password if I come back, you're
 telling me this will go away if I upgrade to 3.4?

 Gabriel


 On 02/19/2012 07:12 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:



 On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Donato Marrazzo donato.marra...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Somebody know where did the screensaver go?
 Any hope to see it again in 3.4?


 There is no plans for a screensaver.  That I'm aware of.
 sri


 Thanks,
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Re: The lost screensaver

2012-02-19 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 01:17:18PM +0100, Peter Petrisson wrote:
 2012/2/19 Gabriel rossetti.gabr...@gmail.com:
  What do yo mean no plans for a screensaver? I currently just have it blank
  the screen after 10 min and ask for a password if I come back, you're
  telling me this will go away if I upgrade to 3.4?
 
 No, because Android and iOS are only using black screens as
 screensaver the same will be done in Gnome.

I don't have a black screen on my Android phone. If you check the
design, it references the various lock screens as well. None are black.

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Re: The lost screensaver

2012-02-19 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Reda Lazri the.red.short...@gmail.comwrote:

 He probably meant that there is no plans for a *[traditional]*screensaver. 
 (the ones with  flowers and birds...) :)

 I think the name 'screensaver' needs to go away too. No screens are being
 saved here.


Yes, sorry you are correct. :-)  Sorry for the confusion.  I meant there is
no animated screen saver.  There is a blank and lock screen as Jasper
pointed out at the end of the thread.

sri


 On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Gabriel rossetti.gabr...@gmail.comwrote:

  What do yo mean no plans for a screensaver? I currently just have it
 blank the screen after 10 min and ask for a password if I come back, you're
 telling me this will go away if I upgrade to 3.4?

 Gabriel

 On 02/19/2012 07:12 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:



 On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Donato Marrazzo 
 donato.marra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Somebody know where did the screensaver go?
 Any hope to see it again in 3.4?


 There is no plans for a screensaver.  That I'm aware of.
 sri


 Thanks,
 Donato

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The lost screensaver

2012-02-18 Thread Donato Marrazzo
Somebody know where did the screensaver go?
Any hope to see it again in 3.4?

Thanks,
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Re: The lost screensaver

2012-02-18 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Donato Marrazzo
donato.marra...@gmail.comwrote:

 Somebody know where did the screensaver go?
 Any hope to see it again in 3.4?


There is no plans for a screensaver.  That I'm aware of.
sri


 Thanks,
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