Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
On Wednesday, 04 May, 2011 12:44 PM, Robert Park wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Dokuro wrote: +1 for settings, more options will come in time! :) Hah! You must be new here. GNOME development has been trending towards fewer options, not more options, over the last many years. You mean, GNOME is task oriented not user oriented? ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Dokuro wrote: > +1 for settings, more options will come in time! :) Hah! You must be new here. GNOME development has been trending towards fewer options, not more options, over the last many years. -- http://exolucere.ca ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
On 2011-05-02 at 21:08, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 01:10:58PM -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > > Yes, it's on the roadmap. Application-level actions, like New Window, Open > > File, Help, and Quit will be added to the menu that drops down from the > > application icon. This will be enabled by a new API in GTK+, directly, so > > that applications can optionally choose to use it without having to remove > > their existing menu systems. > > Do you mean those jump lists with this? no, the Application menu as designed in this: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu having an application menu depends on the action API of GtkApplication being finished. jumplists are for items in the dash, and they should not rely on the application actually running. > Forgot the specifics, so wondering: would it be separate or duplicate > the menus? Could it be configured to show the menu? the Application menu would contain only items that affect the application as a whole, regardless of the current window being focused; the window menu would only contain window-specific elements. in general, though, the design team is looking at ways to get rid of menus altogether wherever possible. ciao, Emmanuele. -- W: http://www.emmanuelebassi.name B: http://blogs.gnome.org/ebassi ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
On Tue, 03 May 2011 18:09:09 +0300, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 08:40, Thanasis Georgiou wrote: Why not have a setting for it? All users happy, no compromises done. It's not in the design; we have an application-global menu proposal which has been in writing since 2009. Also, we do not add UI options and additional code paths for things which break applications or conflict with the rest of the design. Sounds reasonable to me, thanks for explaining. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 08:40, Thanasis Georgiou wrote: > Why not have a setting for it? All users happy, no compromises done. It's not in the design; we have an application-global menu proposal which has been in writing since 2009. Also, we do not add UI options and additional code paths for things which break applications or conflict with the rest of the design. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
The main issue I've been seeing on this list is people with a 1920x1080 screen want it one way, and people with a 1024x600 or 960x640 screen want something else. I agree we need to make things like this optional (or even auto detect based on resolution). That is if we want Gnome-Shell to run on more than just the desktop with a big screen. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Thanasis Georgiou wrote: > Why not have a setting for it? All users happy, no compromises done. > > > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
+1 for settings, more options will come in time! :) On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Thanasis Georgiou wrote: > Why not have a setting for it? All users happy, no compromises done. > > > On Tue, 03 May 2011 11:10:50 +0300, Allan E. Registos > wrote: > >> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:30 AM, John Stowers >> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 14:04 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: I just downloaded unity/Ubuntu 11.04 and was playing with it. One feature I really like is the application menu is in the top bar. (ie: the File Edit View Go Bookmarks Help) >>> >>> You mean the global menu? That horrible thing that confusingly >>> appears/fades out when applications gain or lose focus and is on >>> average, about 894 pixels from my mouse when working in an application? >>> >>> I certainly hope not. >> >> When your mental attitude is to access the application's menu on its own >> window, then I think the global menu is horrible as you've said. But the >> same argument can be applied when defending the usability of GNOME Shell, >> now for the global menu that if you train your mind that you have to access >> the application's menu at the top bar, then later on you will be comfortable >> with it since you are now used to it. The good thing about the global menu >> is it is very useful in smaller screens even smartphones, and that we can >> compromise larger screens for that matter. Imagine if you want to use a >> vanilla GNOME Shell on a tablet and think about the wasted space it gets >> just for the application menu. >> >> Regards, >> Allan > > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > -- No necesito anti-virus por que uso un buen sistema GNU/Linux, libre y gratis! I need no anti-virus, I use a GNU/Linux, a Free Operative System! Je necesite pas de anti-virus, parce que j'utilice a GNU/Linux OS completment libre! ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
Why not have a setting for it? All users happy, no compromises done. On Tue, 03 May 2011 11:10:50 +0300, Allan E. Registos wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:30 AM, John Stowers wrote: On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 14:04 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: I just downloaded unity/Ubuntu 11.04 and was playing with it. One feature I really like is the application menu is in the top bar. (ie: the File Edit View Go Bookmarks Help) You mean the global menu? That horrible thing that confusingly appears/fades out when applications gain or lose focus and is on average, about 894 pixels from my mouse when working in an application? I certainly hope not. When your mental attitude is to access the application's menu on its own window, then I think the global menu is horrible as you've said. But the same argument can be applied when defending the usability of GNOME Shell, now for the global menu that if you train your mind that you have to access the application's menu at the top bar, then later on you will be comfortable with it since you are now used to it. The good thing about the global menu is it is very useful in smaller screens even smartphones, and that we can compromise larger screens for that matter. Imagine if you want to use a vanilla GNOME Shell on a tablet and think about the wasted space it gets just for the application menu. Regards, Allan ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:30 AM, John Stowers wrote: > On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 14:04 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: >> I just downloaded unity/Ubuntu 11.04 and was playing with it. >> >> >> One feature I really like is the application menu is in the top bar. >> (ie: the File Edit View Go Bookmarks Help) > > You mean the global menu? That horrible thing that confusingly > appears/fades out when applications gain or lose focus and is on > average, about 894 pixels from my mouse when working in an application? > > I certainly hope not. When your mental attitude is to access the application's menu on its own window, then I think the global menu is horrible as you've said. But the same argument can be applied when defending the usability of GNOME Shell, now for the global menu that if you train your mind that you have to access the application's menu at the top bar, then later on you will be comfortable with it since you are now used to it. The good thing about the global menu is it is very useful in smaller screens even smartphones, and that we can compromise larger screens for that matter. Imagine if you want to use a vanilla GNOME Shell on a tablet and think about the wasted space it gets just for the application menu. Regards, Allan ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
Actually no, I can't even say that. Hitting the same place on the edge of the screen every time is way easier than hitting the window decorations, wherever they might be or however far it might be to the menu. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:54 PM, joshua simmons wrote: > Except that it's only a minor regression for those with massive screens, > negligible (I still prefer it) for those with average screens, and it's a > seriously huge advantage for the plethora of small screened devices out > there. > > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:48 AM, John Stowers > wrote: > >> >> > Also, the idea of a global menu bar is that it's much closer to your >> > mouse than when inside an application window, as per Fitt's Law. >> >> Oh I understand the theory, I just think it is *completely wrong* when >> applied to a workflow containing either/any of >> >> 1) A very large screen >> 2) Non-maximised or non top-left anchored windows >> >> Admittedly g-s doesn't really encourage #2 that well at the moment, but >> the Unity global menu does a much better job of making my life misery >> than g-s removing minimize button/window list. >> >> John >> >> >> ___ >> gnome-shell-list mailing list >> gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >> > > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
Except that it's only a minor regression for those with massive screens, negligible (I still prefer it) for those with average screens, and it's a seriously huge advantage for the plethora of small screened devices out there. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:48 AM, John Stowers wrote: > > > Also, the idea of a global menu bar is that it's much closer to your > > mouse than when inside an application window, as per Fitt's Law. > > Oh I understand the theory, I just think it is *completely wrong* when > applied to a workflow containing either/any of > > 1) A very large screen > 2) Non-maximised or non top-left anchored windows > > Admittedly g-s doesn't really encourage #2 that well at the moment, but > the Unity global menu does a much better job of making my life misery > than g-s removing minimize button/window list. > > John > > > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:30 AM, John Stowers wrote: > On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 14:04 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: >> I just downloaded unity/Ubuntu 11.04 and was playing with it. >> >> >> One feature I really like is the application menu is in the top bar. >> (ie: the File Edit View Go Bookmarks Help) > > You mean the global menu? That horrible thing that confusingly > appears/fades out when applications gain or lose focus and is on > average, about 894 pixels from my mouse when working in an application? > > I certainly hope not. Doesn't the same thing happen for gnome-shell's application menu anyway? It only has "Quit" now so it does not matter much, but it will have jumplists and who knows.. -- Duy ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 20:04 -0300, Evandro Giovanini wrote: > Also, the idea of a global menu bar is that it's much closer to your > mouse than when inside an application window, as per Fitt's Law. ??? They Fitt is/was a moron. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
> Also, the idea of a global menu bar is that it's much closer to your > mouse than when inside an application window, as per Fitt's Law. Oh I understand the theory, I just think it is *completely wrong* when applied to a workflow containing either/any of 1) A very large screen 2) Non-maximised or non top-left anchored windows Admittedly g-s doesn't really encourage #2 that well at the moment, but the Unity global menu does a much better job of making my life misery than g-s removing minimize button/window list. John ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 7:30 PM, John Stowers wrote: > On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 14:04 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: >> I just downloaded unity/Ubuntu 11.04 and was playing with it. >> >> >> One feature I really like is the application menu is in the top bar. >> (ie: the File Edit View Go Bookmarks Help) > > You mean the global menu? That horrible thing that confusingly > appears/fades out when applications gain or lose focus and is on > average, about 894 pixels from my mouse when working in an application? > > I certainly hope not. > > The fact that the application menu only appears on mouse hover is a problem with Unity. Ubuntu ships an applet for the traditional gnome-panel that works much better. Also, the idea of a global menu bar is that it's much closer to your mouse than when inside an application window, as per Fitt's Law. Cheers, Evandro ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 14:04 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: > I just downloaded unity/Ubuntu 11.04 and was playing with it. > > > One feature I really like is the application menu is in the top bar. > (ie: the File Edit View Go Bookmarks Help) You mean the global menu? That horrible thing that confusingly appears/fades out when applications gain or lose focus and is on average, about 894 pixels from my mouse when working in an application? I certainly hope not. John > > > Can we do that in the application thing right beside the Activities? > or is this something planned already? > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 01:10:58PM -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > Yes, it's on the roadmap. Application-level actions, like New Window, Open > File, Help, and Quit will be added to the menu that drops down from the > application icon. This will be enabled by a new API in GTK+, directly, so > that applications can optionally choose to use it without having to remove > their existing menu systems. Do you mean those jump lists with this? Forgot the specifics, so wondering: would it be separate or duplicate the menus? Could it be configured to show the menu? -- Regards, Olav ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 13:04, G. Michael Carter wrote: > One feature I really like is the application menu is in the top bar. (ie: > the File Edit View Go Bookmarks Help) > As implemented in Ayatana, it's broken and a usability regression. > Can we do that in the application thing right beside the Activities? or > is this something planned already? > Yes, it's on the roadmap. Application-level actions, like New Window, Open File, Help, and Quit will be added to the menu that drops down from the application icon. This will be enabled by a new API in GTK+, directly, so that applications can optionally choose to use it without having to remove their existing menu systems. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
I just downloaded unity/Ubuntu 11.04 and was playing with it. One feature I really like is the application menu is in the top bar. (ie: the File Edit View Go Bookmarks Help) Can we do that in the application thing right beside the Activities? or is this something planned already? ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
