Re: [GNU-linux-libre] palemoon browser

2017-08-12 Thread ng0
Jason Self transcribed 0.4K bytes:
> Oh, and we also have similar efforts with things like GNU IceCat and
> Trisquel's Abrowser. It probably makes more sense to work together and
> not fragment efforts by starting yet another modified version of a
> Firefox-based browser.

I think there's a misunderstanding.

I'm only looking into making a package (as in: for operating systems,
from the perspective of a packager) with a minimal changes (could be
regarded as "patches") and adjusted settings so that this software
maybe is acceptable for us GNU systems.

I'm not looking into starting another project, I have more than I should
do already going on.

And Palemoon used to be firefox based, but it has since then diverged
and developed its own engine etc. This is why I was looking into it,
and curiosity.

I already have a working "New Moon" (Pale Moon branded 'unofficial') build.
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[GNU-linux-libre] Battle for Wesnoth: Licensing rules changes in add-ons repository

2017-08-12 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
It appears that Battle for Wesnoth is considering changing their policy
in regards to which licenses are allowed in their add-ons repository.

Here is a briefing of the situation (from a conversation in #fsf IRC
channel, only joins/quits and unrelated messages were removed):

--8<---cut here---start->8---
2017-08-12T14:09-0300  Hi.
2017-08-12T14:09-0300  It looks like Wesnoth developers will
 allow non-free add-ons.
2017-08-12T14:09-0300  ?
2017-08-12T14:09-0300  Proof?
2017-08-12T14:09-0300 
 https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6=46093
2017-08-12T14:10-0300  any CC = with non-free
2017-08-12T14:10-0300  Remove it from Free Software Directory
[...]
2017-08-12T14:13-0300  Not exactly non-free per see... But *can* pose
 some issues to GNU FSDG compliant distros.
2017-08-12T14:13-0300  The GNU FSDG is somewhat strictier in regards
 to what is allowed in free distros.
[...]
2017-08-12T14:14-0300  Wesnoth's UMC licensing change does pose an
 issue because this means that the third-party repository will no longer be
 commited to comply with the GNU FSDG.
2017-08-12T14:14-0300  third-party = UMC
2017-08-12T14:14-0300  But downloader is included into Wesnoth.
2017-08-12T14:15-0300  *add-ons downloader
2017-08-12T14:18-0300  This probably means that GNU FSDG-compliant
 distros will have to modify the "add-ons downloader" so as not to download
 from UMC.
2017-08-12T14:24-0300  Can you report this on some mailing
 lists?
[...]
2017-08-12T14:35-0300  Will do.
[...]
2017-08-12T14:49-0300  Is there a mailing list for issues like
 this?
[...]
2017-08-12T14:55-0300  temp_trisquel: I guess the main point is
 gnu-linux-libre:
 [[https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-linux-libre]] (group's main
 page: [[https://libreplanet.org/wiki/FreedSoftware]])
2017-08-12T14:56-0300  But, it also helps to simply drop a link to the
 thread in gnu-linux-libre, in development mailing lists for GNU FSDG distros
 (guix-devel, and so oon). :)
[...]
2017-08-12T14:58-0300  I'll post to gnu-linux-libre now.
--8<---cut here---end--->8---

The basis for my argumentation is that, according to GNU FSDG, section
about license rules
([[https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html#license-rules]]):

#+BEGIN_QUOTE

“Information for practical use” includes software, documentation, fonts,
and other data that has direct functional applications. It does not
include artistic works that have an aesthetic (rather than functional)
purpose, or statements of opinion or judgment.

All information for practical use in a free distribution must be
available in source form. (“Source” means the form of the information
that is preferred for making changes to it.)

The information, and the source, must be provided under an appropriate
free license. We evaluate specific licenses and list our determinations
in our license list, with separate sections for licenses that are
suitable for software, documentation, fonts, and other useful works. If
such a work is released under a disjunction of licenses, the work is
free as long as at least one of its licenses is free; the system
developers should follow the terms of the applicable free license(s)
when they distribute and/or modify it.

A free system distribution must not steer users towards obtaining any
nonfree information for practical use, or encourage them to do so. The
system should have no repositories for nonfree software and no specific
recipes for installation of particular nonfree programs. Nor should the
distribution refer to third-party repositories that are not committed to
only including free software; even if they only have free software
today, that may not be true tomorrow. Programs in the system should not
suggest installing nonfree plugins, documentation, and so on.

#+END_QUOTE

The rule of not referencing to third-party repositories commited to the
GNU FSDG, however, seens to only apply to functional/practical
data/works.

Furthermore, the GNU FSDG mentions, in the section about non-functional
data
([[https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.en.html#non-functional-data]]):

#+BEGIN_QUOTE

Data that isn't functional, that doesn't do a practical job, is more of
an adornment to the system's software than a part of it. Thus, we don't
insist on the free license criteria for non-functional data. It can be
included in a free system distribution as long as its license gives you
permission to copy and redistribute, both for commercial and
non-commercial purposes. For example, some game engines released under
the GNU GPL have accompanying game information—a fictional world map,
game graphics, and so on—released under such a verbatim-distribution
license. This kind of data can be part of a free system distribution,
even though its license does not qualify as free, because it is
non-functional.

#+END_QUOTE

So far, I have made some basic empirical observation how Battle for
Wesnoth's 

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] palemoon browser

2017-08-12 Thread Jason Self
Oh, and we also have similar efforts with things like GNU IceCat and
Trisquel's Abrowser. It probably makes more sense to work together and
not fragment efforts by starting yet another modified version of a
Firefox-based browser.


Re: [GNU-linux-libre] palemoon browser

2017-08-12 Thread Jason Self
It seems to have redistribution problems similar to Firefox, along 
with the misunderstanding that free software isn't about cost. It can
be modified, and then a re-branded version could be distributed free
of those problems, but this is also true of Firefox so I'm not sure
what benefit there is to using Palemoon as a base over Firefox.