Re: [GNU-linux-libre] GNU FSDG and SaaSS
Luke via gnu-linux-libre writes: > Then there's the question of how far do you want to remove programs > which depend on non-free web service dependencies since the rabbit trail > can get pretty long. To avoid confusion, avoid describing a service as "free" or "non-free" https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/network-services-arent-free-or-nonfree.html A change about SaaSS should just be about SaaSS. Keep in mind what is written here: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] GNU FSDG and SaaSS
John Sullivan writes: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 04:03:56PM -0400, Ian Kelling wrote: > I think targeting the program itself in the criteria might not be the best > way. > Whether something is SaaSS or not is context-dependent -- who is hosting it, > who is using it, and for what purpose. There is also the situation of tools > that are actually useful in migrating data out of a SaaSS platform, even > though > they might also be useful for actually using the platform. A start at figuring > this out might involve editing the criteria about recommendations under > License > Rules, to make sure endorsed distros don't recommend SaaSS platforms. Good points. I agree. - Ian
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] GNU FSDG and SaaSS
On 03/23/22 17:35, John Sullivan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 04:03:56PM -0400, Ian Kelling wrote: >> Jason Self writes: >> >>> The GNU FSDG doesn't seem to speak to SaaSS. It seems to me that it >>> should. >>> >>> What's driving the question is that I learned of Parabola including a >>> program called ydcv. It's used for translations (Chinese <-> English) >>> through the Youdao online translate service [0]. >>> >>> This wouldn't stop people from using their web browsers to do this; >>> only that distros shouldn't include programs that a mere frontend or >>> helper for SaaSS to encourage or steer people toward such things. >>> >>> [0] https://www.parabola.nu/packages/community/x86_64/ydcv/ >>> >> That sounds like a good idea to me. >> > I think targeting the program itself in the criteria might not be the best > way. > Whether something is SaaSS or not is context-dependent -- who is hosting it, > who is using it, and for what purpose. There is also the situation of tools > that are actually useful in migrating data out of a SaaSS platform, even > though > they might also be useful for actually using the platform. A start at figuring > this out might involve editing the criteria about recommendations under > License > Rules, to make sure endorsed distros don't recommend SaaSS platforms. > > -john > Reiterating what John said, while moving away from SaaSS sounds like a good idea, the wording should be careful to avoid removing potentially useful applications that users may be using to escape said platforms. Then there's the question of how far do you want to remove programs which depend on non-free web service dependencies since the rabbit trail can get pretty long. Some applications that come to mind would be youtube-dl / yt-viewer / weboob / terminal-search, et all. Luke
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] GNU FSDG and SaaSS
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 04:03:56PM -0400, Ian Kelling wrote: > > Jason Self writes: > > > The GNU FSDG doesn't seem to speak to SaaSS. It seems to me that it > > should. > > > > What's driving the question is that I learned of Parabola including a > > program called ydcv. It's used for translations (Chinese <-> English) > > through the Youdao online translate service [0]. > > > > This wouldn't stop people from using their web browsers to do this; > > only that distros shouldn't include programs that a mere frontend or > > helper for SaaSS to encourage or steer people toward such things. > > > > [0] https://www.parabola.nu/packages/community/x86_64/ydcv/ > > > > That sounds like a good idea to me. > I think targeting the program itself in the criteria might not be the best way. Whether something is SaaSS or not is context-dependent -- who is hosting it, who is using it, and for what purpose. There is also the situation of tools that are actually useful in migrating data out of a SaaSS platform, even though they might also be useful for actually using the platform. A start at figuring this out might involve editing the criteria about recommendations under License Rules, to make sure endorsed distros don't recommend SaaSS platforms. -john
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] GNU FSDG and SaaSS
Jason Self writes: > The GNU FSDG doesn't seem to speak to SaaSS. It seems to me that it > should. > > What's driving the question is that I learned of Parabola including a > program called ydcv. It's used for translations (Chinese <-> English) > through the Youdao online translate service [0]. > > This wouldn't stop people from using their web browsers to do this; > only that distros shouldn't include programs that a mere frontend or > helper for SaaSS to encourage or steer people toward such things. > > [0] https://www.parabola.nu/packages/community/x86_64/ydcv/ > That sounds like a good idea to me. - Ian
[GNU-linux-libre] GNU FSDG and SaaSS
The GNU FSDG doesn't seem to speak to SaaSS. It seems to me that it should. What's driving the question is that I learned of Parabola including a program called ydcv. It's used for translations (Chinese <-> English) through the Youdao online translate service [0]. This wouldn't stop people from using their web browsers to do this; only that distros shouldn't include programs that a mere frontend or helper for SaaSS to encourage or steer people toward such things. [0] https://www.parabola.nu/packages/community/x86_64/ydcv/ pgpH70Of8y5C9.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
