Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Adding Inferno to GNU Guix: font issues.

2018-11-05 Thread Diego Nicola Barbato
Hello Jason,

Thanks for the reply.  Unfortunately I did not receive it (I stumbled
across it while looking at the archive) either because it got gobbled up
by my spam filter or because you replied only to the mailing list (I am
not subscribed).

> On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 21:22 +0100, Diego Nicola Barbato wrote:
> > Is it enough to remove the non-free fonts in order to make Inferno
> > compatible with the FSDG, or are there further issues, namely that 
> > the fonts can not be rebuilt from source (i.e. there is no source) 
> 
> Under the FSDG fonts are mentioned as part of "information for
> practical use." [0]
> 
> The FSDG goes on to say that "all information for practical use in a
> free distribution must be available in source form."
> 
> If there is no source then it can't meet that criteria. It also sounds
> like a GPL violation if they're licensed in that way as you say and
> have no source. That's another reason to avoid them then since there
> would be no way to comply with the license even if they were added.
> 
> [0] https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html

Is it possible for the ‘subfont’ files to be considered source?  If I
read the man page correctly they are just images (in Inferno’s native
bitmap format [1]).

Greetings,

Diego

[1]: 

image
Description: man/6/image


Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Adding Inferno to GNU Guix: font issues.

2018-11-03 Thread Jason Self
On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 21:22 +0100, Diego Nicola Barbato wrote:
> Is it enough to remove the non-free fonts in order to make Inferno
> compatible with the FSDG, or are there further issues, namely that 
> the fonts can not be rebuilt from source (i.e. there is no source) 

Under the FSDG fonts are mentioned as part of "information for
practical use." [0]

The FSDG goes on to say that "all information for practical use in a
free distribution must be available in source form."

If there is no source then it can't meet that criteria. It also sounds
like a GPL violation if they're licensed in that way as you say and
have no source. That's another reason to avoid them then since there
would be no way to comply with the license even if they were added.

[0] https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.htm
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[GNU-linux-libre] Adding Inferno to GNU Guix: font issues.

2018-11-03 Thread Diego Nicola Barbato
Hello folks,

I have written a package definition for adding Inferno [1] to GNU Guix
[2].  While trying to determine if Inferno is compatible with the FSDG
some questions concerning bundled fonts and licensing arose, which I was
unable to answer myself, so it was suggested that I ask for advice on
this mailing list [3].
In this mail I will only ask about the font issues.  I will address the
licensing issues in a separate thread.

The ‘fonts’ directory in the Inferno source tree (as provided by this
[4] mercurial repository) contains a variety of fonts in a format [5]
native to Inferno (and Plan 9).  Some of these fonts (‘lucidasans’,
‘pelm’, ‘lucida’ and ‘lucm’) are non-free (copyright Bigelow & Holmes
[6]) and I took care to remove them from the source.  Among the
remaining fonts ‘jis’ and ‘misc’ are derived from X (according to their
respective README [7][8]) and ‘vera’ is probably derived from ‘Bitstream
Vera’, whereas ‘big5’ [9], ‘courier’, ‘gb’ and ‘minitel’ are of unclear
origin.  Finally ‘charon’, ‘chinese’, and ‘minicharon’ simply reuse
"subfonts" from the previously mentioned fonts.
It should be further noted that IIUC it is implied by the NOTICE [10] in
the root of the source tree that the fonts which do not have their own
license are GPLv2+.

Is it enough to remove the non-free fonts in order to make Inferno
compatible with the FSDG, or are there further issues, namely that the
fonts can not be rebuilt from source (i.e. there is no source) and that
the origin of some of them is unclear?

Greetings

Diego


[1]: http://inferno-os.org
[2]: https://gnu.org/software/guix
[3]: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2018-10/msg00440.html
[4]: https://bitbucket.org/inferno-os/inferno-os
[5]: 

font
Description: man/6/font

[6]: 

LICENCE
Description: fonts/LICENSE

[7]: 

README
Description: fonts/jis/README

[8]: 

README
Description: fonts/misc/README

[9]: 

README
Description: fonts/big5/README

[10]: 

NOTICE
Description: NOTICE