Re: Appropriate List for GPL Discussions?
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 14:21 +0100, Alexander Terekhov wrote: > > David Kastrup wrote: ... > > > > Hi dak, nice to see you again. Wanna be replonked for free (until next > > Christmas? > > Are you making a threat? I'm a willing witness ;) Hi mini-RMS, but only as witness (if dak takes my offer). Won't plonk you. GPL and copyright proclamations from you are so funny. regards, alexander. ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Appropriate List for GPL Discussions?
"D.C. Parris" wrote: [...] > While I strongly disagree with your opinion of the GPL, I do appreciate the > link. It is helpful to understand the role of the auto-termination clause > (assuming the view expressed is accurate). I don't care to get into a > flame war over the legitimacy of the GPL. It must have at least some > legitimacy, since its terms have been upheld in more than one case. Such as... Be warned, I'm a profi. misc.int-property added. regards, alexander. ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Appropriate List for GPL Discussions?
David Kastrup wrote: > Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> "D.C. Parris" wrote: >> [...] >>> what is the effect of the auto-termination clause? >> >> Here's what a IALNAP (I am lawyer, not a programmer) said. >> >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00350.html >> >> Basically, just like the rest of the GPL drivel authored by a >> programmer-not-a-lawyer RMS, it has no legal effect whatsoever. >> >> Hope this helps. > While I strongly disagree with your opinion of the GPL, I do appreciate the link. It is helpful to understand the role of the auto-termination clause (assuming the view expressed is accurate). I don't care to get into a flame war over the legitimacy of the GPL. It must have at least some legitimacy, since its terms have been upheld in more than one case. > In case this is not very obvious already, following Mr Terekhov's > advice with regard to the GPL does not involve erring on the safe > side, to put it mildly. > I do believe Lycoris, although the company no longer exists, did violate the GPL and lost the right to redistribute the software in question (potentially somewhere in the neighborhood of several hundred packages). I still question whether Mandriva has inadvertently stepped on their own toes by their acquisition of the Lycoris assets. My understanding is that they have inherited Lycoris' legal problems. If true, how might that play out? Since Mandriva has been distributing source code all along, for many of the same packages distributed by Lycoris, are they thus in the clear, at least with respect to those packages? Don -- DC Parris The Freely Project (USA) www.thefreelyproject.org www.thefreelyproject.us ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Appropriate List for GPL Discussions?
On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 14:21 +0100, Alexander Terekhov wrote: > David Kastrup wrote: ... > > Hi dak, nice to see you again. Wanna be replonked for free (until next > Christmas? Are you making a threat? I'm a willing witness ;) Rui signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Appropriate List for GPL Discussions?
Basically, just like the rest of the GPL drivel authored by a programmer-not-a-lawyer RMS, it has no legal effect whatsoever. The GNU GPL was crafted by RMS in conjuction with lawyers. And just like the rest of the GNU GPL, it has a strong legal effect. ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Appropriate List for GPL Discussions?
Are you guys aware of the dispute over some of the code in the former Lycoris distro, namely Iris, and other Desktop LX packages? Not me. But as always with copyright, speak to a lawyer, and refer to the copyright holders. As far as I see it, the FSF is not the copyright holder of this thing called Iris, and can do very little. I wonder, to what extent is Mandriva really liable, especially if they have in fact inherited Lycoris' failure to comply with the GPL? While I think the community is largely very forgiving, what is the effect of the auto-termination clause? How should the community view this? There is very little that the community can do, only the copyright holder(s) has any legal significance. What you should do is speak with the copyright holder(s), since that is the only part that can do anything. But what about the other GPL'ed packages? For instance, Bash and NCurses are among the programs that Lycoris allegedly failed to include sources for. Section 3 of the GNU GPLv2 applies here, if they didn't do one of those paragraphs, then they are in violation. If this is the case, then the FSF can do something for those two packages. And ignore Alexander Terekhov. ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Appropriate List for GPL Discussions?
David Kastrup wrote: ... Hi dak, nice to see you again. Wanna be replonked for free (until next Christmas? regards, alexander. ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Appropriate List for GPL Discussions?
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "D.C. Parris" wrote: > [...] >> what is the effect of the auto-termination clause? > > Here's what a IALNAP (I am lawyer, not a programmer) said. > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00350.html > > Basically, just like the rest of the GPL drivel authored by a > programmer-not-a-lawyer RMS, it has no legal effect whatsoever. > > Hope this helps. In case this is not very obvious already, following Mr Terekhov's advice with regard to the GPL does not involve erring on the safe side, to put it mildly. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Appropriate List for GPL Discussions?
"D.C. Parris" wrote: [...] > what is the effect of the auto-termination clause? Here's what a IALNAP (I am lawyer, not a programmer) said. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00350.html Basically, just like the rest of the GPL drivel authored by a programmer-not-a-lawyer RMS, it has no legal effect whatsoever. Hope this helps. regards, alexander. ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
