Re: Red Hat on patent FUD
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:29:38 +, Alan Mackenzie it was written: > In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious wrote: >> >> "ml2mst" wrote in message >> news:gq2fsa$ap...@news.albasani.net... > >> You are wrong. Patents are simply a means to protect the ideas of >> innovators from wanton copycatting by others. > > Sorry, but you are wrong here. There's no protection involved, because > the ideas aren't in any danger. The ideas are enhanced rather than > damaged if they are copied by others. > > No, patents are a means of _restricting_ the use of the ideas of > innovators. > >> Those who can think of new things to do need to be rewarded or else we >> will be faced with a steep decline in technological progress. > > Well, that's a very vague and very woolly. Traditionally, especially in > the USA, people who've thought of new things set up companies and get > rich by making those things and selling them to eager customers. "need > to be rewarded" suggests more the idea of a large government fund paying > out taxpayers' money to privileged people. The problem with no patents is that existing companies with existing factories, existing employees and existing sales and distribution channels would simply "take" any new innovation and bury any new company. Patent protection is the only thing that stops existing companies from stealing ideas and maintains a level playing field. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Red Hat on patent FUD
"Alan Mackenzie" wrote in message news:gq6hl2$306...@colin2.muc.de... In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious wrote: "ml2mst" wrote in message news:gq2fsa$ap...@news.albasani.net... You are wrong. Patents are simply a means to protect the ideas of innovators from wanton copycatting by others. Sorry, but you are wrong here. There's no protection involved, because the ideas aren't in any danger. The ideas are enhanced rather than damaged if they are copied by others. No, patents are a means of _restricting_ the use of the ideas of innovators. You are entirely correct insofar as you state, but you ignore the element of reward. Allowing others to copycat lessens the revenue that can be obtained and so the idea needs protection from copycatting. The purpose of the patent is to expose the idea so that it can be extended by others who can, in turn, patent the extensions they make. Certainly it restricts, by intent, the use of the idea to those whom the innovator has agreed upon a license to use the idea. Those who can think of new things to do need to be rewarded or else we will be faced with a steep decline in technological progress. Well, that's a very vague and very woolly. Traditionally, especially in the USA, people who've thought of new things set up companies and get rich by making those things and selling them to eager customers. "need to be rewarded" suggests more the idea of a large government fund paying out taxpayers' money to privileged people. That is an odd conclusion to arrive at under the circumstances. Certainly the innovator obtains his reward from the commercialization of the invention. The protection of a patent affords the innovator with a clear field in which to present the idea and market it to those who can benefit from its use. Perhaps in Germany there are large government funds for paying privileged people, but no such system exists in the USofA to pay inventors simply for inventing. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
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Re: Red Hat on patent FUD
In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious wrote: > > "ml2mst" wrote in message > news:gq2fsa$ap...@news.albasani.net... > You are wrong. Patents are simply a means to protect the ideas of > innovators from wanton copycatting by others. Sorry, but you are wrong here. There's no protection involved, because the ideas aren't in any danger. The ideas are enhanced rather than damaged if they are copied by others. No, patents are a means of _restricting_ the use of the ideas of innovators. > Those who can think of new things to do need to be rewarded or else we > will be faced with a steep decline in technological progress. Well, that's a very vague and very woolly. Traditionally, especially in the USA, people who've thought of new things set up companies and get rich by making those things and selling them to eager customers. "need to be rewarded" suggests more the idea of a large government fund paying out taxpayers' money to privileged people. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
NYC LOCAL: Thursday 26 March 2009 NYLUG: Ira Hyman on the Search for the Ultimate Linux Distro
From: NYLUG Announcements To: NYLUG Announcements Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nylug-announce] NYLUG Mar 26 Meeting: Ira Hyman on The Search for the Ultimate Linux Distro Reply-To: Announcements from NYLUG Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:30pm-8:00 PM IBM 590 Madison Ave, 12th Floor corner of 57th Street ** RSVP Closes at 4:30pm the day of the meeting (sharp!) *** Please RSVP for EVERY meeting at this time. Register at http://rsvp.nylug.org/ Check in with photo ID at the lobby for badge. Ira Hyman - on - The Search for The Ultimate Linux Distro Please join us Thursday, March 26th 2009 when NYLUG welcomes back Ira Hyman, Director of the LinuxLoft.com development team and a long-time member of the New York Linux Users Group, to speak at our regular monthly meeting. Ira spoke at our March 2008 and March 2007 meetings, so it's no coincidence that his latest thoughts will be tapped again this year. If you attended either of his previous talks on PCLinuxOS or Open Source Multimedia you will enjoy his insights from a recent deep dive with the Fedora Linux distribution. Fedora is an RPM-based, general purpose operating system built on top of the Linux kernel. Primarily developed by the community-supported Fedora Project, it is sponsored by Red Hat, Inc. and comprises the core technology of the commercially supported Red Hat Enterprise Linux (a.k.a. "RHEL") operating system. Roughly every third version of Fedora forms the basis of a new version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. For example, * Fedora Core 3 --> Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 * Fedora Core 6 --> Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 * Fedora 10 / Fedora 11 --> Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 (planned for release in 2010) If you have a question, comment or criticism about Linux distributions, this is the meeting to attend. In addition to Fedora, Ira has installed, tested and reviewed dozens of distros including various Linux appliances. In this meeting, Ira will explore the best features from a variety of Linux distributions and attempt to aggregrate them into the Ultimate Linux Distro - a business concept and no holds barred discussion about what most Linux users need, want and are buying today. Imagine fantasy football for the studious geek. If you know of a great app, plug-in or key feature that we all would benefit from, come on down and join what will surely be a vigorous dialogue. More Information: * The Fedora Project http://fedoraproject.org/ * Red Hat Enterprise Linux http://www.redhat.com/rhel * Red Hat http://www.redhat.com/ * LinuxLoft.com http://www.linuxloft.com/ About Ira Hyman: Ira Hyman is the Director of the LinuxLoft.com development team, a longtime NYLUG member and believes in the power of Linux and FOSS to change the way we live for the better. Meeting Location: Please note that this meeting will be held at IBM, 590 Madison Ave, 12th floor, corner of 57th Street, and not at Google. This is the building with the IBM logo on the front of the building. Map: http://nylug.org/mapofibm Books!!! Our friends at Prentice-Hall kindly provide us with review copies of various new titles. One of these could be yours, all you have to do is agree to review the book within a reasonable period of time. Swag (Give Away): During/after the meeting... unusually terrific swag may be given away. Stammtisch: After the meeting ... You may wish to join up with other NYLUGgers over at TGI Fridays located at 677 Lexington Avenue and 56th Street, second floor. Northeast corner. Python Workshops: We are rounding up a group that wants to learn Python. This would be a great time to attend our workshop. The workshops meet every other Tuesday, at the NY Public Library, Hudson Park Branch. 66 Leroy St. NY NY from 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM Next meetings are March 31, followed by April 14. See the calendar at: http://nylug.org/pythoncalendar Please see our home page at http://www.nylug.org for the HTMLized version of this announcement, our archives, and a lot of other good stuff. __ Hire expert Linux talent by posting jobs here :: http://jobs.nylug.org nylug-announce mailing list nylug-annou...@nylug.org http://nylug.org/mailman/listinfo/nylug-announce Distributed poC TINC: Jay Sulzberger Corresponding Secretary LXNY LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization. http://www.lxny.org ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
