Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

[David Malcolm]

On Fri, 2020-02-14 at 01:20 +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> After several months since our statement that it is time for GNU
> maintainers to collectively decide about the organization of the
> project, we are finally ready for a first small step towards that.

> There was a bit of push back that left us no choice than to setup our
> own space for this project. See https://wiki.gnu.tools/ Tools for GNU
> maintainers by GNU maintainers.
> 
> But after lots and lots of discussions, a DRAFT proposal and a
> feedback
> process [*] we finally have: 
> https://wiki.gnu.tools/gnu:social-contract
> 
> The goal of the GNU Social Contract is to state the core values GNU
> maintainers who have endorsed it are committed to uphold.  It is both
> an agreement among us, GNU contributors, and a pledge to the broader
> free software community.

Thanks for working on this.

> If you are a GNU maintainer and do support this initiative please
> reply
> to this email, Reply-To set, (preferably signed with your OpenPGP
> key)
> stating:
> 
>   I, maintainer of package X, endorse version 1.0 of the GNU
>   Social Contract, available at
>   ;.

You will then be listed here:
> 

I, a maintainer of GCC [1], endorse version 1.0 of the GNU Social
Contract, available at .

I'm endorsing it in a personal capacity (rather than on behalf of my
employer).

Dave


[1] https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=search;s=David+Malcolm;st=author

GNU Social Contract 1.0 - doubts

[Phil Maker]

Ludovic, ...,

Re the Social Contract I'm sure greater minds than mine have looked at
it but I feel obliged to make some sort of response of which the next
paragraph is the only
important one.

Given the two options "I endorse" or "I do not adhere to" may I be bold as
to choose
the third option, i.e. no thanks, not interested, neither answer is
acceptable to me.
Please be so kind as to record that somewhere and if you make any public
lists of
responses it would be nice to put that in.

The following issues lead me to the above:

1. I understand from an email from RMS that he is not entirely supportive.
Happy to be corrected.
2. In general peoples behaviour tends to be fairly good, in my experience
or there is a reason behind
   it, either way I'm inclined to leave it as is. [e.g. I've never seen any
bias against people on the
   basis of sexual orientation, ... from the workers, the managers yes]
3.  The gnu.tools CoC looks fundamentally flawed with the usual "Any other
conduct... clause.."
   (BTW why gnu.tools not tools.gnu.org?)

And the language for the options whilst probably correct in some sense
seems odd since
option 2 results in:

'I do not adhere to the policy of providing a harrasment free environment
to all people"

That doesn't entirely seem to be a safe response in this current world.

Ta



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Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] about the GNU promise

[nipponmail]

Translations are derivative works of the original.

On 2020-02-14 18:45, Alexandre François Garreau wrote:

Le lundi 3 février 2020, 16:28:52 CET Benno Schulenberg a écrit :

But in practice the GNU project requires
that significant contributors sign a copyright assignment, and that
translators sign a copyright disclaimer.


Well, maybe it concerns only softwares, but once rms wrote something on 
ML
to be published on gnu.org, and within the hour I translated it in 
french,

sent it to the translators list and it got published on the website.  I
didn’t sign anything.  And my copyright is still on it.  That quite
surprised myself.  This sounds unpractical (what if the original gets
slightly updated?).

Anyway.
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Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] security alert... worth noting

[Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)]

On 2020-02-13 20:52, Marcel wrote:

Hello Ruben,

Yesterday I received a couple of hundred repeat emails similar to the
one I am responding to (sometimes twice each, when I had already
received another original from the gnu-misc-discuss list). All of them
bear the [Hangout - NYLXS] label.


When this involuntary subscription started happening, I noted
the password I had been given and unsubscribed. The maling list
manager for NYLXS Hangout informed me that this operation was
successful.

Next morning, the messages started coming again. I repeated the
unsubscribe request, but I was informed that the password is
incorrect. In other words, I had been given a new involuntary
subscription with a different password.

At that point it became obvious that the next course of action was
to reject connections from that server at the SMTP level.

Not everyone has that control over their mail, unfortunately.

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] about the GNU promise

[Alexandre François Garreau]

Le lundi 3 février 2020, 16:28:52 CET Benno Schulenberg a écrit :
> But in practice the GNU project requires
> that significant contributors sign a copyright assignment, and that
> translators sign a copyright disclaimer.

Well, maybe it concerns only softwares, but once rms wrote something on ML 
to be published on gnu.org, and within the hour I translated it in french, 
sent it to the translators list and it got published on the website.  I 
didn’t sign anything.  And my copyright is still on it.  That quite 
surprised myself.  This sounds unpractical (what if the original gets 
slightly updated?).

Anyway.

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] about the GNU promise

[Alexandre François Garreau]

Le mercredi 5 février 2020, 07:45:48 CET Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) a 
écrit :
> On 2020-02-03 07:28, Benno Schulenberg wrote:
> > the GNU System".  Oof...  Who are those "companion free software
> > projects"?
> 
> This is basically just taking a mile-wide detour around saying "Linux".
> 
> :)
> 
> The kernel is a key component of the GNU system, an the most popular
> kernel
> that everyone is using with GNU stuff on it is not part of the GNU
> project.
> 
> Another example: the X Window system.
> 
> Another: Apache.

The most officials examples I see are given on gnu.org/s and doesn’t mention 
apache but does TeX (which to me is very important as it’s also a base for 
texinfo, the official GNU documentation tool).

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] security alert... worth noting

[orbulon--- via General GNU project and free software discussions]

I second this. My inbox is also getting flooded with hundreds of these emails.

Feb 13, 2020, 20:52 by m...@runbox.com:

> Hello Ruben,
>
> Yesterday I received a couple of hundred repeat emails similar to the one I 
> am responding to (sometimes twice each, when I had already received another 
> original from the gnu-misc-discuss list). All of them bear the [Hangout - 
> NYLXS] label.
>
> This is extremely inconvenient, particularly as I am too busy currently to 
> find the time to block all of your accounts. It interferes with my other 
> activities. 
>
> Please remove me from whatever thing (google hangouts?) you've setup for this 
> purpose. I did not sign up to your email spamming service and consider this 
> an undesired intrusion into my privacy.
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> Marcel
>
> On February 14, 2020 9:24:55 AM GMT+07:00, Ruben Safir  
> wrote:
> >https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/02/500-chrome-extensions-secretly-uploaded-private-data-from-millions-of-users/
>

Re: Endorsement of the GNU Social Contract

[Alfred M. Szmidt]

   > You have now, for the second time, send me a message as part of a
   > mass-mailing to a list to which you added me without my consent.  This
   > is spam and illegal under European law, as the data subject never
   > consented to you processing the data.

   The same applies to gnu-community-private, among others.

False, membership of g-c-p is up to each member, they can either
subscribe or unsubscribe. 

The GNU project did not give you permission to abuse the personal
information of GNU maintainers.

   I’m sorry you see it that way.  We were careful to write:

   > If you think this is inaccurate, or if you no longer want to be
   > contacted about this initiative, please let us know about it.

Does not matter under EU law, you need to give consent first before
assuming it.  People subscribed to lists have explicitly given it, so
have GNU maintainers when they became maintainers.

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] gnu social construct 1.0 endorsement

[nipponmail]

The GPL is the social contract upon which this whole movement is based. 
It works because it doesn't interfere with everyone's various religions.


These other "social contracts" are extraneous impositions, by people who 
worship whatever America's current religion is.


On 2020-02-14 04:51, Ruben Safir wrote:

Fuck you and your illconceived campaign to destroy GNU


And fuck that mailing list run by a theif and a bully

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 12:25:33PM -0700, Mark Galassi wrote:


I am the founder and co-maintainer of the GNU Scientific Library, and 
of
Dominion, and I am GNU contributor since 1985.  I endorse version 1.0 
of

the GNU Social Contract, available at
.

Mark Galassi



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Re: Endorsement of the GNU Social Contract

[Edscott Wilson]

Seems to me that "contracts" are all about taking away your freedom, once
lawyers get their hands on them. I don't see any need to fix something
which is not broken. So why take the trouble?

But then I read a few more lines at the bottom of the proposal.

The wording may seem like a preparation for a similar event to what
happened very recently at the FSF. And that makes me wonder.

Yeah, I know that no one lives forever but can't that bridge be crossed
when we get there?



El vie., 14 de feb. de 2020 a la(s) 10:35, Ludovic Courtès (l...@gnu.org)
escribió:

> Dear GNU maintainer,
>
> Today is “I Love Free Software” day and we want to thank you for being
> part of GNU!
>
> You are receiving this message because you are listed as responsible for
> a GNU package in the ‘maintainers’ file on fencepost.gnu.org.  If you
> think this is inaccurate, or if you no longer want to be contacted about
> this initiative, please let us know about it.
>
> On January 28th, we emailed you regarding on-going work by the authors
> of this message to devise a “GNU Social Contract”.  The goal of this
> document is to formulate a common core set of values for the GNU Project,
> on which we can jointly build to form a stronger community.  It is both
> an agreement among us, GNU contributors, and a pledge to the broader free
> software community.  Additionally, we think it can be a first step towards
> formalizing a transparent and collective governance of the GNU Project.
>
> We received a number of questions and suggestions on the first draft of the
> document, witnesses to our collective approach to shaping a document that
> can help us go forward together.  We discussed all the input with great
> care; it is documented, together with the adopted resolutions, at:
>
>   https://wiki.gnu.tools/gnu:gsc-feedback
>
> The result of all this is version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract as
> appended
> below, which can also be seen at:
>
>   https://wiki.gnu.tools/gnu:social-contract
>
> We believe that the outcome is an even snappier document, which lays out
> our common foundations even more clearly, and thank everyone of you who
> contributed to improving it.
>
> We now invite you to send a message, by February 24th, preferably signed
> with your OpenPGP key, to social-contract@gnu.tools (private alias) and
> optionally to gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org (public mailing list), containing
> one of the following statements:
>
>   • I, maintainer of package X, endorse version 1.0 of the GNU
> Social Contract, available at
> .
>
>   • I, maintainer of package X, do not adhere to version 1.0 of the
> GNU Social Contract, available at
> .
>
> The current status is maintained at:
>
>   https://wiki.gnu.tools/gnu:social-contract-endorsement
>
> Thanks in advance for your participation!
>
>   - Ludovic Courtès
>   - Andreas Enge
>   - Carlos O’Donell
>   - Mark Wielaard
>   - Andy Wingo
>
> 
>
> # GNU Social Contract 1.0
> ---
>
> These are the core commitments of the GNU Project, which creates and
> distributes a software system that respects users' freedoms.
>
> ## The GNU Project respects users' freedoms
>
> The GNU Project provides software that guarantees to all users the
> _Four Essential Freedoms_, without compromise:
>   0. The freedom to run the program as they wish, for any purpose.
>   1. The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does
>  their computing as they wish.
>   2. The freedom to redistribute copies so they can help others.
>   3. The freedom to distribute copies of their modified versions to others.
>
> The GNU Project adopts policies that encourage and enable developers
> to actively defend user freedom.  These policies include using
> _copyleft licenses_, designed to ensure that users’ freedoms cannot be
> stripped off, when appropriate.
>
> Besides upholding the Four Essential Freedoms, the GNU Project pays
> attention to new threats to users' freedom, and responds to them as they
> arise.
>
>
> ## The GNU Project provides a consistent system
>
> The GNU Project develops an operating system, the _GNU System_, as well as
> a set of applications.  Each software component developed by the GNU
> Project
> is referred to as a _GNU package_.  GNU package developers work together to
> ensure consistency across packages.
>
>
> ## The GNU Project collaborates with the broader free software community
>
> The GNU Project works together with other free software projects to
> advance its goals, and aims to extend the reach of the project beyond
> the GNU System.
>
>
> ## The GNU Project welcomes contributions from all and everyone
>
> The GNU Project commits to providing a harassment-free
> experience for all contributors.  It wants to give everyone the
> opportunity of contributing to its efforts on any of the many tasks that
> require work

Re: Endorsement of the GNU Social Contract

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hi Christian,

Christian Grothoff  skribis:

> You have now, for the second time, send me a message as part of a
> mass-mailing to a list to which you added me without my consent.  This
> is spam and illegal under European law, as the data subject never
> consented to you processing the data.

The same applies to gnu-community-private, among others.

> More interestingly, repeatedly asking for me to sign your "Social
> Contract" is clearly a form of harassment in violation of your own
> "Social Contract".

I’m sorry you see it that way.  We were careful to write:

> If you think this is inaccurate, or if you no longer want to be
> contacted about this initiative, please let us know about it.

I take note that you do not want to be further contacted, should that
ever happen, which is unlikely.

We’ve known each other for some time, Christian, and I think we can
disagree without taking such a confrontational approach.

Thanks anyway for your feedback and apologies for the inconvenience.

Ludo’.

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

[Jean Louis]

* Mark Wielaard  [2020-02-14 04:49]:
> Two random observations for packages that I happened to look at:
> 
> - In the manually-collected-release-dates you include eprints,
>   but it isn't really clear that is still
>   a GNU package. https://www.gnu.org/software/eprints/ just
>   redirects to https://www.eprints.org/uk/
>   I cannot even find the word GNU on their website.

Look:
http://tryme.demo.eprints-hosting.org/eprints/

If you wish to file a bug with some of software authors, write to
them, make a constructive proposal how to improve something.

>   The sources mention GNU EPrints 4 times, but almost everywhere
>   the software is just called EPrints. Other uses of GNU are only
>   in combination with the (L)GPL.

You may propose changes by writing to software authors.

> - GNU diction did do some releases through ftp.gnu.org, but
>   does also have some more releases at
>   http://www.moria.de/~michael/diction/
>   But it isn't really clear how you would know that.

File a bug with GNU Diction.

> Thanks for collecting it all. And I hope people will look at it and
> sent in updates where possible.

Please file a bug with the appropriate parties.

-- 
Thanks,
Jean Louis

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] security alert... worth noting

[Marcel]

Hello Ruben,

Yesterday I received a couple of hundred repeat emails similar to the one I am 
responding to (sometimes twice each, when I had already received another 
original from the gnu-misc-discuss list). All of them bear the [Hangout - 
NYLXS] label.

This is extremely inconvenient, particularly as I am too busy currently to find 
the time to block all of your accounts. It interferes with my other activities. 

Please remove me from whatever thing (google hangouts?) you've setup for this 
purpose. I did not sign up to your email spamming service and consider this an 
undesired intrusion into my privacy.


Thank you.

Marcel

On February 14, 2020 9:24:55 AM GMT+07:00, Ruben Safir  
wrote:
>https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/02/500-chrome-extensions-secretly-uploaded-private-data-from-millions-of-users/

Re: GSC 1.0 endorsement

[Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)]

On 2020-02-12 15:19, I wrote:

The GNU project should also critically evaluate externally
imposed requirements and reject bad ones, including ones
coming from standards bodies like ISO and IEE.


Turns out, this is basically covered in the GNU Coding Standards.

https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/Non_002dGNU-Standards.html#Non_002dGNU-Standards

"The GNU Project regards standards published by other
organizations as suggestions, not orders. We consider those
standards, but we do not “obey” them. In developing a GNU program,
you should implement an outside standard’s specifications when that
makes the GNU system better overall in an objective sense. When it
doesn’t, you shouldn’t."

Re: Endorsement of the GNU Social Contract

[Christian Grothoff]

Dear Ludovic,

You have now, for the second time, send me a message as part of a
mass-mailing to a list to which you added me without my consent.  This
is spam and illegal under European law, as the data subject never
consented to you processing the data.

More interestingly, repeatedly asking for me to sign your "Social
Contract" is clearly a form of harassment in violation of your own
"Social Contract".

Please stop.

Christian

On 2/14/20 5:26 PM, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Dear GNU maintainer,
> 
> Today is “I Love Free Software” day and we want to thank you for being
> part of GNU!
> 
> You are receiving this message because you are listed as responsible for
> a GNU package in the ‘maintainers’ file on fencepost.gnu.org.  If you
> think this is inaccurate, or if you no longer want to be contacted about
> this initiative, please let us know about it.
> 
> On January 28th, we emailed you regarding on-going work by the authors
> of this message to devise a “GNU Social Contract”.  The goal of this
> document is to formulate a common core set of values for the GNU Project,
> on which we can jointly build to form a stronger community.  It is both
> an agreement among us, GNU contributors, and a pledge to the broader free
> software community.  Additionally, we think it can be a first step towards
> formalizing a transparent and collective governance of the GNU Project.
> 
> We received a number of questions and suggestions on the first draft of the
> document, witnesses to our collective approach to shaping a document that
> can help us go forward together.  We discussed all the input with great
> care; it is documented, together with the adopted resolutions, at:
> 
>   https://wiki.gnu.tools/gnu:gsc-feedback
> 
> The result of all this is version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract as appended
> below, which can also be seen at:
> 
>   https://wiki.gnu.tools/gnu:social-contract
> 
> We believe that the outcome is an even snappier document, which lays out
> our common foundations even more clearly, and thank everyone of you who
> contributed to improving it.
> 
> We now invite you to send a message, by February 24th, preferably signed
> with your OpenPGP key, to social-contract@gnu.tools (private alias) and
> optionally to gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org (public mailing list), containing
> one of the following statements:
> 
>   • I, maintainer of package X, endorse version 1.0 of the GNU
> Social Contract, available at
> .
> 
>   • I, maintainer of package X, do not adhere to version 1.0 of the
> GNU Social Contract, available at
> .
> 
> The current status is maintained at:
> 
>   https://wiki.gnu.tools/gnu:social-contract-endorsement
> 
> Thanks in advance for your participation!
> 
>   - Ludovic Courtès
>   - Andreas Enge
>   - Carlos O’Donell
>   - Mark Wielaard
>   - Andy Wingo
> 
> 
> 
> # GNU Social Contract 1.0
> ---
> 
> These are the core commitments of the GNU Project, which creates and
> distributes a software system that respects users' freedoms.
> 
> ## The GNU Project respects users' freedoms
> 
> The GNU Project provides software that guarantees to all users the
> _Four Essential Freedoms_, without compromise:
>   0. The freedom to run the program as they wish, for any purpose.
>   1. The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does
>  their computing as they wish.
>   2. The freedom to redistribute copies so they can help others.
>   3. The freedom to distribute copies of their modified versions to others.
> 
> The GNU Project adopts policies that encourage and enable developers
> to actively defend user freedom.  These policies include using
> _copyleft licenses_, designed to ensure that users’ freedoms cannot be
> stripped off, when appropriate.
> 
> Besides upholding the Four Essential Freedoms, the GNU Project pays
> attention to new threats to users' freedom, and responds to them as they
> arise.
> 
> 
> ## The GNU Project provides a consistent system
> 
> The GNU Project develops an operating system, the _GNU System_, as well as
> a set of applications.  Each software component developed by the GNU Project
> is referred to as a _GNU package_.  GNU package developers work together to
> ensure consistency across packages.
> 
> 
> ## The GNU Project collaborates with the broader free software community
> 
> The GNU Project works together with other free software projects to
> advance its goals, and aims to extend the reach of the project beyond
> the GNU System.
> 
> 
> ## The GNU Project welcomes contributions from all and everyone
> 
> The GNU Project commits to providing a harassment-free
> experience for all contributors.  It wants to give everyone the
> opportunity of contributing to its efforts on any of the many tasks that
> require work.  It welcomes all contributors, regardless of their gender,

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

[Alfred M. Szmidt]

Please rename the non-GNU social edict to something that else, since
it does not reflect the stance of the GNU project.  You're perfectly
free to host such a document, but is is untrue to say that this is a
document supported by the GNU project.

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

[Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)]

On 2020-02-13 13:26, Daniel Pocock wrote:

I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version
1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at
.


By the way, I'm offended by the sexual innuendo in this domain
name.

It's not okay to use that language, even if invoked
in deprecating self-reference.

Cheers ...

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

[Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)]

On 2020-02-14 02:04, John Darrington wrote:

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 09:26:03PM +, Daniel Pocock wrote:

Could it be better to work from the ground up, to document the points
which almost everybody agrees on before talking about the points that
are controversial?


We have already done that.

It was discussed at length between all interested maintainers, and the 
result

has been formally codified here:

 https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html


Okay, so:

1. The first clause of the proposed "contract", dealing with freedoms,
   is entirely redundant in the face of the bulk of the software
   using some version of the GNU Public License.

2. The remaining technically oriented clauses are flawed.
   - not every GNU project needs to collaborate with non-GNU projects
   - consistency is a nice requirement but can actually conflict with
 conformance to external standards and such.
   Also, this area is basically already covered in a long and detailed
   GNU document:

   https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/

   (Hey, it even has something for me: I just noticed the words about
   the GNU projects not having to following external standards if they
   are bad.)

3. The last clause can be effectively replaced by a link to
   the above kind communication guidelines, which are better developed
   and make more specific recommendation about behaviors without
   promoting the unconditional inclusion of people based on their
   tribalistic traits regardless of how those people actually behave.

Thus, the entire document is redundant and pointless.

I'm leaning toward agreeing with Mr. Safir: this site and the document
are a sham set up as a pretext for some sort of bizarre takeover attempt
which will not work.

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

[John Darrington]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 09:26:03PM +, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> 
> People are welcome to endorse the social contract (or any other
> document, like the Bible or the Koran) if they wish


Of course.

> 
> However, how is that relevant if some people endorse it and others don't?

It is not.

> 
> Could it be better to work from the ground up, to document the points
> which almost everybody agrees on before talking about the points that
> are controversial?

We have already done that.

It was discussed at length between all interested maintainers, and the result
has been formally codified here:

 https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html

and the reasons why the particular words were chosen and why some were not
are explained here:

 https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnu/2018-10/msg1.html


There is no intention to change this, so further discusssion is moot. 
"Endorsing" (or not) some random set of people's other ideas is not
going to change anything.

J'

Re: Moderation

[Alfred M. Szmidt]

   To make matters worse, my own posts are moderated and I’ve seen a 2- to
   3-day delay before they’d reach the mailing list lately.  That makes it
   hard for me to participate.

And that is why we should all be using the lists that we actually
setup for this whole for these type of discussions.

   Meanwhile, all the abuse email is getting through unmoderated AFAICS
   (i.e., there’s no delay between their ‘Date’ header and the time I
   receive them.)

   Mike, Brandon: please rectify this situation.

Please send moderation complains with examples of abusive mail that
you think gotten through directly to the administrators.  If you are
on CC, you will get the email directly from anyone and there is
nothing that can be done.

Nor is this how you address volunteers, by trying to order them to do
your commands -- they do not answer to you.  Instead you could help to
foster a kinder discussion temperature here, something everyone would
benefit from.