Is it a goal of the "Free" software movement to destroy easy sources of income?
Hi. I noticed this old post here: http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/msg/243e191086e80bef?dmode=source QUOTE: "Stallman does not care about business. But others do. "Open Source" has been one way to sell corporations their own downfall in a veiled manner. It has taken a brutal but effective toll on stock market and the corporations. Free Software is nothing that you can easily profit from. But it is something that will prevail. " Does this mean that one of the goals of Free software is to destroy software as a source of money, hence requiring people to resort to other forms of business to obtain money that might be much more difficult to start up? (hence limiting them to only people _born_ into wealth?!) Or am I just too paranoid or way off base in my interpretations here? ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is it a goal of the "Free" software movement to destroy easy sources of income?
mike3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I noticed this old post here: > > http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/msg/243e191086e80bef?dmode=source > > QUOTE: > "Stallman does not care about > business. But others do. "Open Source" has been one way to sell > corporations their own downfall in a veiled manner. It has taken a > brutal but effective toll on stock market and the corporations. Free > Software is nothing that you can easily profit from. But it is > something that will prevail. " > > Does this mean that one of the goals of Free software is to destroy > software as a source of money, hence requiring people to resort to > other forms of business to obtain money that might be much more > difficult to start up? (hence limiting them to only people _born_ into > wealth?!) > > Or am I just too paranoid or way off base in my interpretations here? I am nobody's speaker or leader, so there is nothing to be gained from assigning an interpretation to my words. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is it a goal of the "Free" software movement to destroy easy sources of income?
On Jan 16, 4:12 pm, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mike3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I noticed this old post here: > > >http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/msg/243e191086e80bef?... > > > QUOTE: > > "Stallman does not care about > > business. But others do. "Open Source" has been one way to sell > > corporations their own downfall in a veiled manner. It has taken a > > brutal but effective toll on stock market and the corporations. Free > > Software is nothing that you can easily profit from. But it is > > something that will prevail. " > > > Does this mean that one of the goals of Free software is to destroy > > software as a source of money, hence requiring people to resort to > > other forms of business to obtain money that might be much more > > difficult to start up? (hence limiting them to only people _born_ into > > wealth?!) > > > Or am I just too paranoid or way off base in my interpretations here? > > I am nobody's speaker or leader, so there is nothing to be gained from > assigning an interpretation to my words. > Well, okay, I'm not sure exactly what that's supposed to mean (What I'm trying to "gain" right now with my post is understanding of this, first of all), but perhaps maybe you could tell me if my interpretation was right? ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is it a goal of the "Free" software movement to destroy easy sources of income?
mike3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Jan 16, 4:12 pm, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> mike3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > I noticed this old post here: >> >> >http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/msg/243e191086e80bef?... >> >> > QUOTE: >> > "Stallman does not care about >> > business. But others do. "Open Source" has been one way to sell >> > corporations their own downfall in a veiled manner. It has taken a >> > brutal but effective toll on stock market and the corporations. Free >> > Software is nothing that you can easily profit from. But it is >> > something that will prevail. " >> >> > Does this mean that one of the goals of Free software is to destroy >> > software as a source of money, hence requiring people to resort to >> > other forms of business to obtain money that might be much more >> > difficult to start up? (hence limiting them to only people _born_ into >> > wealth?!) >> >> > Or am I just too paranoid or way off base in my interpretations here? >> >> I am nobody's speaker or leader, so there is nothing to be gained from >> assigning an interpretation to my words. > > Well, okay, I'm not sure exactly what that's supposed to mean (What > I'm trying to "gain" right now with my post is understanding of this, > first of all), but perhaps maybe you could tell me if my > interpretation was right? Again: I don't set the goals for free software, so it is nonsensical to assign any relevance to any interpretation of my musings. They are food for thought, nothing else. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is it a goal of the "Free" software movement to destroy easy sources of income?
On Jan 16, 4:37 pm, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mike3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Jan 16, 4:12 pm, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> mike3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > I noticed this old post here: > > >> >http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/msg/243e191086e80bef?... > > >> > QUOTE: > >> > "Stallman does not care about > >> > business. But others do. "Open Source" has been one way to sell > >> > corporations their own downfall in a veiled manner. It has taken a > >> > brutal but effective toll on stock market and the corporations. Free > >> > Software is nothing that you can easily profit from. But it is > >> > something that will prevail. " > > >> > Does this mean that one of the goals of Free software is to destroy > >> > software as a source of money, hence requiring people to resort to > >> > other forms of business to obtain money that might be much more > >> > difficult to start up? (hence limiting them to only people _born_ into > >> > wealth?!) > > >> > Or am I just too paranoid or way off base in my interpretations here? > > >> I am nobody's speaker or leader, so there is nothing to be gained from > >> assigning an interpretation to my words. > > > Well, okay, I'm not sure exactly what that's supposed to mean (What > > I'm trying to "gain" right now with my post is understanding of this, > > first of all), but perhaps maybe you could tell me if my > > interpretation was right? > > Again: I don't set the goals for free software, so it is nonsensical to > assign any relevance to any interpretation of my musings. They are food > for thought, nothing else. > I didn't say you did set or assign goals, I was trying to better understand your opinion on what you _think_ the goal seems to be or should be or something. I just want to know what you meant when you said what you said. I just wanted understanding & knowledge to satisfy my curiosity. Can you please tell me? ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is it a goal of the "Free" software movement to destroy easy sources of income?
mike3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Jan 16, 4:37 pm, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Again: I don't set the goals for free software, so it is nonsensical >> to assign any relevance to any interpretation of my musings. They >> are food for thought, nothing else. >> > > I didn't say you did set or assign goals, I was trying to better > understand your opinion on what you _think_ the goal seems to be or > should be or something. I was describing effects, not goals. > I just want to know what you meant when you said what you said. I just > wanted understanding & knowledge to satisfy my curiosity. > > Can you please tell me? I don't consider myself an appropriate subject for study. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is it a goal of the "Free" software movement to destroy easy sources of income?
On Jan 16, 5:03 pm, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mike3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Jan 16, 4:37 pm, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Again: I don't set the goals for free software, so it is nonsensical > >> to assign any relevance to any interpretation of my musings. They > >> are food for thought, nothing else. > > > I didn't say you did set or assign goals, I was trying to better > > understand your opinion on what you _think_ the goal seems to be or > > should be or something. > > I was describing effects, not goals. > Oh, so the _effect_ is to destroy easy sources of income, then, right? > > I just want to know what you meant when you said what you said. I just > > wanted understanding & knowledge to satisfy my curiosity. > > > Can you please tell me? > > I don't consider myself an appropriate subject for study. > "Study"? What do you mean? I just wanted to understand you right. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is it a goal of the "Free" software movement to destroy easy sources of income?
On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 03:05:04PM -0800, mike3 wrote: > QUOTE: > "Stallman does not care about > business. But others do. "Open Source" has been one way to sell > corporations their own downfall in a veiled manner. It has taken a > brutal but effective toll on stock market and the corporations. Free > Software is nothing that you can easily profit from. But it is > something that will prevail. " > > Does this mean that one of the goals of Free software is to destroy > software as a source of money, hence requiring people to resort to > other forms of business to obtain money that might be much more > difficult to start up? (hence limiting them to only people _born_ into > wealth?!) > > Or am I just too paranoid or way off base in my interpretations here? Both. Firstly he doesn't speak for the FSF or Stallman, secondly, Stallman has been found to say "charge as much as you can for Free Software services" (this is not a direct quote, but the meaning is there). What Stallman advocates is to do business whilst respecting your customers by not restricting their freedom. There some extremist views of capitalism which defend that you should extort as much money as you can, by any means deemed necessary, from your clients. This includes restrincting user's freedom, false advertisement, FUD, etc... Stallman recommends you not to do dis but instead respect your customers: give them their full rights. Attract your customers with honey, rather than binding them in chains. This seems to me like a very sound and honest business method, and nothing at all like something against business. Rui -- Hail Eris! Today is Boomtime, the 17th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is it a goal of the "Free" software movement to destroy easy sources of income?
On Jan 17, 2:37 am, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Both. Firstly he doesn't speak for the FSF or Stallman, secondly, > Stallman has been found to say "charge as much as you can for Free > Software services" (this is not a direct quote, but the meaning is > there). > > What Stallman advocates is to do business whilst respecting your > customers by not restricting their freedom. > Ah. > There some extremist views of capitalism which defend that you should > extort as much money as you can, by any means deemed necessary, from > your clients. This includes restrincting user's freedom, false > advertisement, FUD, etc... > So then it's not to destroy business, period, but to destroy *immoral* business. That makes a lot more sense, actually. > Stallman recommends you not to do dis but instead respect your > customers: give them their full rights. Attract your customers with > honey, rather than binding them in chains. > > This seems to me like a very sound and honest business method, and > nothing at all like something against business. > It sure does. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
