Re: Bandwidth-hungry services burden the internet

2020-05-28 Thread Akira Urushibata
On May 2020 14:28:16 Kaz Kylheku wrote:

> >Pages that Google had ranked top in search result lists last year
> >are for some reason gone when the same search is conducted.
> > 
> > This seems like a different issue though.  Google is not you friend,
> > and you should not trust them.

> It is fairly well-known that Google ranks newer material above older
> material.  Historic areas of the web are basically in a black hole as
> far as the Google search is concerned.

If that were the case the page would be demoted in the list.  I've seen
one page disappear from the ranking list.

How far a page is demoted depends on how much newer material has become
available.  If there are many new web pages and Google thinks that they
are better, the once-celebrated page goes down far.  If there are few or
no new web pages which fit the given search phrase, the ranking should
stay stable.

Though it is true that Google prefers newer articles, saying that it
ignores everything more than a few years old is certainly an
exaggeration.  Try searching for information on an older version of
software such as "gcc 2.96", "Pbmplus" or "Debian Potato" with Google
and you should see articles that are more than a decade old.





Re: Bandwidth-hungry services burden the internet

2020-05-27 Thread Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)

On 2020-05-26 22:33, a...@gnu.org wrote:

I have been through some strange experiences recently.  Certain web
   pages take seconds to load.  In some instances the communication
   fails with a time-out.

This sounds like an issue with your ISP -- and not a general issue.


Could be an issue with the ISP of those websites, or something else,
like a reverse-proxy, if they use one (e.g. CloudFare). If you're
originating from a network which the reverse-proxy thinks is attacking
the client website, it will throttle you.

In that case, you will have a problem with multiple websites that use
the same provider of that.


   Pages that Google had ranked top in search result lists last year
   are for some reason gone when the same search is conducted.

This seems like a different issue though.  Google is not you friend,
and you should not trust them.


It is fairly well-known that Google ranks newer material above older
material.  Historic areas of the web are basically in a black hole as
far as the Google search is concerned.

And since many people reach for the Google search engine without
even thinking there might be alternatives, those areas of the web
basically don't exist.

Except, of course, old stuff that is manipulated by SEO into fooling
Google into thinking that it's new. You know; junk blog article written
in 2006, but somehow appearing in a page updated in May 2020 ...

とても腹立たしくてとんでもないもんだよな~。





Re: Bandwidth-hungry services burden the internet

2020-05-26 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
   I have been through some strange experiences recently.  Certain web
   pages take seconds to load.  In some instances the communication
   fails with a time-out.

This sounds like an issue with your ISP -- and not a general issue.

   Pages that Google had ranked top in search result lists last year
   are for some reason gone when the same search is conducted.

This seems like a different issue though.  Google is not you friend,
and you should not trust them.