Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Miles Bader
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>   Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 05:51:49 -0500
>   From: rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326)

Er, David's right -- I only see "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"; apparently either some
software on your end appends your domain name to "apparently local"
addresses.

-miles

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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Richard Tobin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>In your email's headers one can read:

He's not sending email.  He's posting an article to the gnu.misc.discuss
newsgroup.  If you are seeing it as email, it's because you are using
a usenet-to-email gateway, and that's what's adding your domain.  No-one
else sees that address.

-- Richard
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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 12:16 -0500, rjack escreveu:
> Now I'm not such a bad guy after all am I?

You're a complete dimwit second personality of Alexander Terekhov.

Rui

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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread rjack

Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 11:27 -0500, John Hasler escreveu:

I see "From: rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" reading via Usenet.  If I was receiving 
the
mailing list I would see "From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" but I would not be
disturbed because I know how my email software works.


My MTA rejects [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rui



Sigh.

I am unsure what triggered the paranoid reaction to a fake email address
but I have created a real live account (guaranteed to work) at 
 with 100 megabytes of cyclical redundancy. You 
are welcome to post all the vituperative messages that it requires to 
vent your anger. The servers are located offshore, but I am fairly 
certain the island will not sink irrespective of the number of hate 
messages you manage to send. The account will cost me $7.00 a month but 
it's certainly worth it if it alleviates your obvious mental anguish.


Now I'm not such a bad guy after all am I?

rjack
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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread David Kastrup
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 18:40 +0200, Alfred M. Szmidt escreveu:
>> David is correct, it is your setup that is b0rked.  Here is the full
>> message with header and all.  You can even look at ftp://lists.gnu.org
>> and see how it is handled for the mailing lists.
>
> Explain how come my MTA *rejects* [EMAIL PROTECTED] then? Is it magic, 
> perhaps?

It does not reject gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org, presumably.  I recommend
that you learn the difference between the "From: " header in a mail
and the "From " line in an mbox file usually (but not necessarily)
derived from the SMTP greeting.

I would not go as far as to claim that your setup is broken (putting a
default mail domain into some headers is not uncommon in order to make
them replyable), but it would seem that you don't understand what your
system is doing here.

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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread David Kastrup
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 11:27 -0500, John Hasler escreveu:
>> I see "From: rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" reading via Usenet.  If I was 
>> receiving the
>> mailing list I would see "From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" but I would not be
>> disturbed because I know how my email software works.
>
> My MTA rejects [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The verified address would be the mailing list address.  That one is
valid.

Really, at the moment there seems to be some sort of competition who
can get the most egg on one's face.

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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
   I see "From: rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" reading via Usenet.  If I was
   receiving the mailing list I would see "From:
   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" but I would not be disturbed because I know
   how my email software works.

Depends on who is on the receiving end, my messages come through as
addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 11:27 -0500, John Hasler escreveu:
> I see "From: rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" reading via Usenet.  If I was 
> receiving the
> mailing list I would see "From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" but I would not be
> disturbed because I know how my email software works.

My MTA rejects [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rui

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+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,
| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi
+ So let's do it...?


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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 18:40 +0200, Alfred M. Szmidt escreveu:
> David is correct, it is your setup that is b0rked.  Here is the full
> message with header and all.  You can even look at ftp://lists.gnu.org
> and see how it is handled for the mailing lists.

Explain how come my MTA *rejects* [EMAIL PROTECTED] then? Is it magic, perhaps?

Rui

-- 
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+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,
| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi
+ So let's do it...?


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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread John Hasler
rjack writes:
> The address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is faked to prevent GNU disciples and 
> SPAMMERS 

The proper way to obfuscate your email is to use something like
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" or "[EMAIL PROTECTED],invalid".  These domains are
reserved.

Rui writes:
> In your email's headers one can read:
>   From: rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Only you see that.

I see "From: rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" reading via Usenet.  If I was receiving 
the
mailing list I would see "From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" but I would not be
disturbed because I know how my email software works.
-- 
John Hasler 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA
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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Alexander Terekhov

Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> 
> Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 05:51 -0500, rjack escreveu:
> > Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > > Your credibility was ruined long ago, and is only gone even deeper by
> > > faking your email in order to get spam-bots onto my mail server.
> > >
> > > STOP FAKING YOUR FROM ADDRESS
> > >
> > > You DO NOT come from com.1407.org
> > >
> > > Rui
> > >
> >
> > The address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is faked to prevent GNU disciples and 
> > SPAMMERS
> 
> Fuck you. In your email's headers one can read:

Hey mini-RMS, you're also quite talented!

http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/msg/71da364161ef34db?dmode=source

"From: rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

regards,
alexander.
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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
David is correct, it is your setup that is b0rked.  Here is the full
message with header and all.  You can even look at ftp://lists.gnu.org
and see how it is handled for the mailing lists.

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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> Your credibility was ruined long ago, and is only gone even deeper by
> faking your email in order to get spam-bots onto my mail server.
> 
> STOP FAKING YOUR FROM ADDRESS
> 
> You DO NOT come from com.1407.org
> 
> Rui
> 

The address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is faked to prevent GNU disciples and SPAMMERS 
from overwhelming my true email address. There are so many crackpot 
zealots practicing the GNU relgion that I even receive crank phone calls 
from Europe in the middle of the night. Many serious observers of 
Intellectual Property law like Alexander Terekov know my true email 
address.
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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 18:24 +0200, David Kastrup escreveu:
> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 12:07 +0200, David Kastrup escreveu:
> >> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> 
> >> > Your credibility was ruined long ago, and is only gone even deeper by
> >> > faking your email in order to get spam-bots onto my mail server.
> >> >
> >> > STOP FAKING YOUR FROM ADDRESS
> >> >
> >> > You DO NOT come from com.1407.org
> >> 
> >> While I agree that the original poster is rather incoherent, I am
> >> afraid that this particular complaint is nonsense.  His faked from
> >> address is just "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", namely a host named "com" with no
> >> specified domain.  Any "1407.org" domain you might have been seeing
> >> has been added by your own software or your interpretation of its
> >> output.  His posting contains nothing of the sort.
> >
> > Sorry but no way:
> >
> > Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 05:51:49 -0500
> > From: rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326)
> 
> Your mail server has added the domain in order to create a complete
> mailing address.  If you had been reading this posting from a
> Newsserver instead of by mail, like you can see with all original
> headers at
> http://groups.google.de/group/gnu.misc.discuss/msg/e68e7d970b543ef2>,
> you'd not have seen your domain added.
> 
> Again: in this respect you are mistaken about the original poster, and
> it might be smart to stop this before you are giving him ideas.

No I am not:

helo 
250 mail.1407.org
mail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
250 Ok
rcpt to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
504 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Sender address rejected: need fully-qualified address

While:

helo 
250 mail.1407.org
mail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
250 Ok
rcpt to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
250 Ok
DATA
354 End data with .
...
.
250 Ok: queued as ECF4C2015D

See the difference?

Rui

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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread David Kastrup
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 12:07 +0200, David Kastrup escreveu:
>> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> 
>> > Your credibility was ruined long ago, and is only gone even deeper by
>> > faking your email in order to get spam-bots onto my mail server.
>> >
>> > STOP FAKING YOUR FROM ADDRESS
>> >
>> > You DO NOT come from com.1407.org
>> 
>> While I agree that the original poster is rather incoherent, I am
>> afraid that this particular complaint is nonsense.  His faked from
>> address is just "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", namely a host named "com" with no
>> specified domain.  Any "1407.org" domain you might have been seeing
>> has been added by your own software or your interpretation of its
>> output.  His posting contains nothing of the sort.
>
> Sorry but no way:
>
>   Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 05:51:49 -0500
>   From: rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326)

Your mail server has added the domain in order to create a complete
mailing address.  If you had been reading this posting from a
Newsserver instead of by mail, like you can see with all original
headers at
http://groups.google.de/group/gnu.misc.discuss/msg/e68e7d970b543ef2>,
you'd not have seen your domain added.

Again: in this respect you are mistaken about the original poster, and
it might be smart to stop this before you are giving him ideas.

His choice of a fake mail domain _is_, by the way, idiotic, but it
does not single you out.  He should pick something ending in
".invalid" if he is really out to have an invalid address.

-- 
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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Please stop spamming the list with profanity, it isn't useful.


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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 12:07 +0200, David Kastrup escreveu:
> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Your credibility was ruined long ago, and is only gone even deeper by
> > faking your email in order to get spam-bots onto my mail server.
> >
> > STOP FAKING YOUR FROM ADDRESS
> >
> > You DO NOT come from com.1407.org
> 
> While I agree that the original poster is rather incoherent, I am
> afraid that this particular complaint is nonsense.  His faked from
> address is just "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", namely a host named "com" with no
> specified domain.  Any "1407.org" domain you might have been seeing
> has been added by your own software or your interpretation of its
> output.  His posting contains nothing of the sort.

Sorry but no way:

Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 05:51:49 -0500
From: rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326)

Rui

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+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,
| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi
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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Alexander Terekhov

David Kastrup wrote:
> 
> Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > David Kastrup wrote:
> > [...]
> >> By the way: I agree with your assessment of Alexander being an avid
> >> observer of what you call "Intellectual Property law" (there is
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Intellectual_property_law
> >
> >> actually no such thing, as there are disparate laws about the items
> >> grouped under this term).  The problem is that he is completely unable
> >> to draw any reasonable conclusions from his observations: his
> >> predictions are consistently utterly wrong, and he blames this on
> >> "drunk judges" and similar excuses.
> >
> > Do you really want to me post Easterbrook's summary of the GPL (his
> > "quick look" on Wallace's claim aside for a moment) once again?
> >
> > I seem to recall that you *agreed* that Easterbrook was indeed
> > "drunken" at least regarding his ability to comprehend the GPL.
> 
> Your recollections are rather colorful.  I am rather certain that I
> said no such thing.  I might have differed in details with his
> assessment and reasoning which is not all too surprising.  

I wrote:

|| And, BTW, according to EASTERBROOK, "the GPL propagates from user to 
|| user and revision to revision: neither the original author, nor any 
|| creator of a revised or improved version, may charge for the 
|| software or allow any successor to charge." 
||
|| Got it? 

You replied:

| Well, I hope not.  The above sounds a bit confused, or at least 
| sloppily worded.

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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> David Kastrup wrote:
> [...]
>> By the way: I agree with your assessment of Alexander being an avid
>> observer of what you call "Intellectual Property law" (there is
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Intellectual_property_law
>
>> actually no such thing, as there are disparate laws about the items
>> grouped under this term).  The problem is that he is completely unable
>> to draw any reasonable conclusions from his observations: his
>> predictions are consistently utterly wrong, and he blames this on
>> "drunk judges" and similar excuses.
>
> Do you really want to me post Easterbrook's summary of the GPL (his
> "quick look" on Wallace's claim aside for a moment) once again?
>
> I seem to recall that you *agreed* that Easterbrook was indeed
> "drunken" at least regarding his ability to comprehend the GPL.

Your recollections are rather colorful.  I am rather certain that I
said no such thing.  I might have differed in details with his
assessment and reasoning which is not all too surprising.  The bottom
line, however, seems to match pretty much what I would have expected.

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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Alexander Terekhov

David Kastrup wrote:
[...]
> By the way: I agree with your assessment of Alexander being an avid
> observer of what you call "Intellectual Property law" (there is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Intellectual_property_law

> actually no such thing, as there are disparate laws about the items
> grouped under this term).  The problem is that he is completely unable
> to draw any reasonable conclusions from his observations: his
> predictions are consistently utterly wrong, and he blames this on
> "drunk judges" and similar excuses.

Do you really want to me post Easterbrook's summary of the GPL (his 
"quick look" on Wallace's claim aside for a moment) once again?

I seem to recall that you *agreed* that Easterbrook was indeed 
"drunken" at least regarding his ability to comprehend the GPL.

No?

regards,
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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread David Kastrup
rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>> Your credibility was ruined long ago, and is only gone even deeper by
>> faking your email in order to get spam-bots onto my mail server.
>>
>> STOP FAKING YOUR FROM ADDRESS
>>
>> You DO NOT come from com.1407.org
>>
>> Rui
>>
>
> The address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is faked to prevent GNU disciples and
> SPAMMERS from overwhelming my true email address. There are so many
> crackpot zealots practicing the GNU relgion that I even receive
> crank phone calls from Europe in the middle of the night. Many
> serious observers of Intellectual Property law like Alexander
> Terekov know my true email address.

Does that mean that our local trolls coordinate their ramblings in
private communication?  Anyway, you should try spelling your hero
correctly.

By the way: I agree with your assessment of Alexander being an avid
observer of what you call "Intellectual Property law" (there is
actually no such thing, as there are disparate laws about the items
grouped under this term).  The problem is that he is completely unable
to draw any reasonable conclusions from his observations: his
predictions are consistently utterly wrong, and he blames this on
"drunk judges" and similar excuses.

Nevertheless, quite a few of the quotations he digs up _are_
interesting.

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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread rjack

Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

Your credibility was ruined long ago, and is only gone even deeper by
faking your email in order to get spam-bots onto my mail server.

STOP FAKING YOUR FROM ADDRESS

You DO NOT come from com.1407.org

Rui



The address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is faked to prevent GNU disciples and SPAMMERS 
from overwhelming my true email address. There are so many crackpot 
zealots practicing the GNU relgion that I even receive crank phone calls 
from Europe in the middle of the night. Many serious observers of 
Intellectual Property law like Alexander Terekov know my true email 
address.

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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread David Kastrup
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Your credibility was ruined long ago, and is only gone even deeper by
> faking your email in order to get spam-bots onto my mail server.
>
> STOP FAKING YOUR FROM ADDRESS
>
> You DO NOT come from com.1407.org

While I agree that the original poster is rather incoherent, I am
afraid that this particular complaint is nonsense.  His faked from
address is just "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", namely a host named "com" with no
specified domain.  Any "1407.org" domain you might have been seeing
has been added by your own software or your interpretation of its
output.  His posting contains nothing of the sort.

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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Your credibility was ruined long ago, and is only gone even deeper by
faking your email in order to get spam-bots onto my mail server.

STOP FAKING YOUR FROM ADDRESS

You DO NOT come from com.1407.org

Rui

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+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,
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+ So let's do it...?


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Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread David Kastrup
rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The holding in Lexmark International, Inc. v. Static Control
> Components, Inc., 387 F.3d 522 (6th Cir. 2004) unequivocally
> demonstrates that a copyright license may not control source code
> that implements a step in a process patent under U.S. law.

You mean that this is a Supreme Court decision based solely on the
Berne convention and thus forms an unequivocal standard of both
national and international law?

Did not think so.

> The above result may not be true in non-U.S. jurisdictions but the
   ^
Not that it would be true to a sufficiently reliable degree in
U.S. jurisdictions... 

> obvious deception by the vocal supporters of the Free Software
> Foundation concerning the GPL3 and U.S. patents destroys any
> credibility they might have when complaining about Microsoft's
> hegemony.

Wow.  Now you are losing it.  It has always been stated that the GPLv2
would already imply a patent license under U.S. law, but that it is
something which needs to be made explicit for the sake of both clarity
and international law.

Anyway, the obvious befuddlement you have about the license destroys
any credibility you might have when handing in your tax return
statements.  You don't see the connection?  Then we are already two.

> GPL supporters and not Microsoft are truly the culprits in the FUD
> wars concerning patents and computer programming. Their efforts
> amount to nothing more than one great SPAM conspiracy in the open
> source world.  Sadly, it amazing how many people like Bruce Perens
> spew GPL3 nonsense concerning patents.

You should wipe the foam off your mouth.  You don't even manage to
form complete sentences right now.

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