Re: [GNC-dev] Interest
Mike, I am adopting an approach of not addressing directly specific examples from a particular religious/culturual tradition but of abstracting and illustrating general accounting approaches/principles that may be used using GnuCash to record transactions for non-interest bearing loans which I hope may then be adaptable to the requirements in a specific case or tradition. The danger is of course that it can be so general that users in those traditions may not be able to recognize the applicability to their specific case. I have made a start on such a page https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Non_Interest_Bearing_Loans which is standalone and not yet linked into the main wiki system. I had some experience during my Accounting masters several years ago having to prepare a thesis exploring accounting practices in India/Bangladesh which encompassed Shari'a law and the evolving microfinance system there. However a brief read through the introduction to Jacob Neusner's "A History of the Mishnaic Law of Damages", which came up in a reference to iron sheep contracts, has convinced me that while it may be interesting, it may be unwise given my anticipated remaining life expectancy, to delve too deeply. The good thing about the Wiki is that it is quite easily edited and can be commented on directly in the associated Talk page or here on the forum, either User or Dev as appropriate and it should provide a good test bed for material for later inclusion in the Tutorial and Concepts Guide. Once I am a bit further along with an outline and some content, I will post a link inviting more general comment in the User forum, particularly from users from non-western traditions. Greater depth would really require input from users with deeper accounting knowledge in the specific traditions which may or may not be available. David Cousens On Sat, 2018-12-15 at 09:37 -0500, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > On 12/14/2018 10:26 AM, David Cousens wrote: > > Frank, > > > > Will give it a go. Hamid is possibly right in that it will be too complex to > > deal with the various possibilities but I will see if I can illustrate a few > > simple cases. > > > > David > > It is definitely too complex. There are simply far too many variants > possible. And many of them would not be properly entered as loans << > except perhaps that "iron sheep" contract (illegal* in Jewish law > referring to no interest "loans" >> I mentioned which DOES have a > definite minimum amount that must be repaid >> > > What I would suggest is that before any attempt is made to code or even > describe how in documentation is that a discussion be opened in the user > group where people can describe variants. While I am against us > "amateurs" giving accounting advice, this is a situation where standard > accountant training might not be useful and the average accountant > likely to respond "I never heard about an arrangement like that". Once > we have classified variants, we would be in a better position deciding > how to proceed. > > Michael D Novack > > * In effect partnership agreements where upon dissolution, capital > returned based on percentage contributed, both partners share in > profits (per what is agreed) but one bears all the risk of loss. In > other words, a "loan" where instead of interest, the lender receives a > share of profits (but bears no risk if a loss). > ___ > gnucash-devel mailing list > gnucash-devel@gnucash.org > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] debug info
> On Dec 15, 2018, at 6:16 AM, c.holterm...@gmx.de wrote: > > Hello, > > when debugging for my recent pull request #439 I needed to use > gdb. When compiling the maint branch from github I didn't have debug > information (line numbers) in gdb. I needed to add them by including > the -g flag in CMakelLists.txt. I did it only for c and not for c++. > Patch below for illustrative purposes. > > Wouldn't it be good to have a command line option or environment > variable to enable that debug information for c and c++ ? Christoph, Of course. That’s why Cmake provides CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE. To make a debug build, add the argument -D CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug to your cmake invocation. BTW, the flags passed to the compilers are also modifiable from the command line using CMAKE_C_FLAGS and CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS. No need to change CMakeLists.txt. Should you ever need to do this for an autotools project the equivalents are the environment variables CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS; autotools also reads CPPFLAGS and applies the contents to both c and c++ compiles. Autotools unfortunately doesn’t have an equivalent to CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE so you have to adjust the compiler flags. Regards, John Ralls ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] Interest
On 12/14/2018 10:26 AM, David Cousens wrote: Frank, Will give it a go. Hamid is possibly right in that it will be too complex to deal with the various possibilities but I will see if I can illustrate a few simple cases. David It is definitely too complex. There are simply far too many variants possible. And many of them would not be properly entered as loans << except perhaps that "iron sheep" contract (illegal* in Jewish law referring to no interest "loans" >> I mentioned which DOES have a definite minimum amount that must be repaid >> What I would suggest is that before any attempt is made to code or even describe how in documentation is that a discussion be opened in the user group where people can describe variants. While I am against us "amateurs" giving accounting advice, this is a situation where standard accountant training might not be useful and the average accountant likely to respond "I never heard about an arrangement like that". Once we have classified variants, we would be in a better position deciding how to proceed. Michael D Novack * In effect partnership agreements where upon dissolution, capital returned based on percentage contributed, both partners share in profits (per what is agreed) but one bears all the risk of loss. In other words, a "loan" where instead of interest, the lender receives a share of profits (but bears no risk if a loss). ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
[GNC-dev] debug info
Hello,
when debugging for my recent pull request #439 I needed to use
gdb. When compiling the maint branch from github I didn't have debug
information (line numbers) in gdb. I needed to add them by including
the -g flag in CMakelLists.txt. I did it only for c and not for c++.
Patch below for illustrative purposes.
Wouldn't it be good to have a command line option or environment
variable to enable that debug information for c and c++ ?
regards,
Christoph Holtermann
diff --git a/CMakeLists.txt b/CMakeLists.txt
index 860954143..5527cd99e 100644
--- a/CMakeLists.txt
+++ b/CMakeLists.txt
@@ -567,7 +567,7 @@ set(CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS "-std=gnu++11
${CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS}") # FIXME: should be -std=
if (UNIX)
- set( CMAKE_C_FLAGS "-Werror -Wdeclaration-after-statement
-Wno-pointer-sign -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations
-Wno-unused ${CMAKE_C_FLAGS}")
+ set( CMAKE_C_FLAGS "-g -Werror -Wdeclaration-after-statement
-Wno-pointer-sign -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations
-Wno-unused ${CMAKE_C_FLAGS}")
set( CMAKE_C_FLAGS "-Wno-deprecated-declarations -std=gnu11
-Wno-error=parentheses ${CMAKE_C_FLAGS}")
set( CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS "-Werror -Wall -Wmissing-declarations
-Wno-unused -Wno-error=parentheses ${CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS}")
set( CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS "-Wno-deprecated-declarations
${REGISTER_CXXFLAG} ${CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS}")
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Re: [GNC-dev] Interest
Hi, Am 15.12.18 um 10:30 schrieb David T. via gnucash-devel: > Um, I wouldn't see putting this as a direct link of the top page of the wiki. I absolutly agree. > It's a rather specific use case. Without digging into the wiki, I'd see it > more as something from the Using Gnucash page, or the FAQ. > Both, links are cheap. ~Frank ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] Interest
OK Geert, I'll create it that way thenlook for a suitable place to link it in as David T suggested. David - David Cousens -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-Dev-f1435356.html ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
[GNC-dev] Power Outage affecting code (wiki/email/gncbot)
Hi, Shortly after 10pm EST last night we had a power outage here. This immediately affected our network and shortly thereafter the servers themselves. The power came back somewhere around 12:30am and most of the servers rebooted on their own. I am checking various services now, so if you notice something still missing please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] Interest
Um, I wouldn't see putting this as a direct link of the top page of the wiki. It's a rather specific use case. Without digging into the wiki, I'd see it more as something from the Using Gnucash page, or the FAQ. On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 13:06, Geert Janssens wrote: Op zaterdag 15 december 2018 08:23:55 CET schreef David Cousens: > Frank > I really can't see a logical place in the Wiki to add something on non > interest bearing loans. If under Localization, I will need someone to create > a link to a page I can put it together on as I don't have edit rights on > the wiki front page but I can edit pages linked from it. Perhaps a title > like "Non Interest Bearing Loans" > > David David, I believe it works the other way around: You first create your page and then someone with rights can add it to the front page. You can create a new page by searching for it. As it's new the search results will have an option to create it. As far as I understand, we give page creation rights to every wiki editor. Regards, Geert ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
