Re: [GNC-dev] Conditions to move revamped GnuCash Mobile App to GnuCash org

2022-09-28 Thread john



> On Sep 28, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Camille Rizko via gnucash-devel 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,  I also wrote a Gnucash viewer for the iphone. It does not have all 
> the functionality, but it is a good start. Not sure if it is worth starting a 
> gnucash-iphone project with it. I can make the source code available.

See my answer to Daniel, but in addition:
Making your source code available isn't good enough. GnuCash is a Free (as in 
Freedom) software project and community. If you want your project to be part of 
that then you must also embrace the principles of Free Software, which means 
not just making your sources available but allowing others to modify it and 
freely publish their modifications. IMO the best way to do that is to license 
your code with the GPL because it ensures that those others also must allow 
others to modify their modifications, but for the less doctrinaire there are a 
bunch of other licenses, see https://opensource.org/licenses.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC-dev] Conditions to move revamped GnuCash Mobile App to GnuCash org

2022-09-28 Thread john



> On Sep 28, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Daniel Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hello GnuCash devs,
> 
> does someone here have (had) a relation to the gnucash-android project?
> I couldn't find a way to contact the mainter "codinguser" and the project is 
> abandoned: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash_and_Mobile_Devices
> 
> Recently there have been a couple of people (including me) who would like to 
> contribute/maintain/fork/rewrite the project to keep it alive: 
> https://github.com/codinguser/gnucash-android/issues/913
> 
> I have started a couple of steps to revive the project and will try to 
> establish a new leading fork so that all the open contributions can find its 
> way into the app. And as part of this revamp I would consider aligning the 
> project to gnucash.org
> 
> What would be necessary, to move and continue the project under the gnucash 
> org in the future?
> 
> I mean not only GitHub organization, but it would would be great to see the 
> project as an official part of the community, with vendor "GnuCash" in the 
> app store, mailing-list for support and so on.

Ngewi created Gnucash for Android as a Google Summer of Code project. The 
previous year's GSoC student, Muslim Choclov, acted as Ngewi's mentor, and 
since we were denied direct participation I arranged for the Gnome Foundation 
to get us a slot. Several of us provided Ngewi with technical advice while he 
was working on the original implementation, particularly with details about 
which import format would work best.

Ngewi requested that we allow him to piggyback onto our (really Christian 
Stimming's) legacy free UserVoice account; 2013 was about the time that 
Uservoice stopped allowing new free accounts. Christian duly created a 
sub-account for him and he used it for a bug tracker until he bailed 

We haven't heard from Ngewi for more than 4 years and we removed the reference 
to GnuCash for Android 2 years ago because it was clear at that time that Ngewi 
wasn't coming back. 

The short version of all that is that GfA has never been a part of GnuCash: 
Once he'd completed the GSoC project he didn't interact much with us at all, 
nor we with him or the GfA project. Every once in a while someone will pop in 
and ask something about GfA on gnucash-users or the #gnucash IRC channel. We 
tell them we don't really know anything about GfA and they go away. AFAIK--and 
I encourage somebody to contradict me here--nobody who uses the mailing lists 
or IRC channel regularly uses GfA.  Add to that that while 
https://github.com/codinguser/gnucash-android/issues/913 has been going on for 
more than 9 months you're the first person to come here to discuss it and it's 
pretty easy to conclude that the GfA community, such as it is, isn't all that 
interested in GnuCash.

So for GfA to "join the GnuCash community", GfA users and developers have to 
join the GnuCash community. A good way to start would be to hang out in 
gnucash-user and on the IRC channel. When somebody comes along with a GfA 
question, answer it. Encourage users in the other GfA channels to ask their 
questions and offer their help in gnucash-user too. For the developers, engage 
here in gnucash-devel and in gnucash-user. Do market research: Why don't 
GnuCash more users with Android phones use GfA? Can/should GfA integrate better 
with GnuCash? How? 

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC-dev] Conditions to move revamped GnuCash Mobile App to GnuCash org

2022-09-28 Thread Camille Rizko via gnucash-devel
 Hello,  I also wrote a Gnucash viewer for the iphone. It does not have all the 
functionality, but it is a good start. Not sure if it is worth starting a 
gnucash-iphone project with it. I can make the source code available.
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 05:17:07 PM PDT, Daniel Brown 
 wrote:  
 
 Hello GnuCash devs,

does someone here have (had) a relation to the gnucash-android project?
I couldn't find a way to contact the mainter "codinguser" and the project is 
abandoned: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash_and_Mobile_Devices

Recently there have been a couple of people (including me) who would like to 
contribute/maintain/fork/rewrite the project to keep it alive: 
https://github.com/codinguser/gnucash-android/issues/913

I have started a couple of steps to revive the project and will try to 
establish a new leading fork so that all the open contributions can find its 
way into the app. And as part of this revamp I would consider aligning the 
project to gnucash.org

What would be necessary, to move and continue the project under the gnucash org 
in the future?

I mean not only GitHub organization, but it would would be great to see the 
project as an official part of the community, with vendor "GnuCash" in the app 
store, mailing-list for support and so on.


Best Regards
Daniel
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[GNC-dev] Conditions to move revamped GnuCash Mobile App to GnuCash org

2022-09-28 Thread Daniel Brown
Hello GnuCash devs,

does someone here have (had) a relation to the gnucash-android project?
I couldn't find a way to contact the mainter "codinguser" and the project is 
abandoned: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash_and_Mobile_Devices

Recently there have been a couple of people (including me) who would like to 
contribute/maintain/fork/rewrite the project to keep it alive: 
https://github.com/codinguser/gnucash-android/issues/913

I have started a couple of steps to revive the project and will try to 
establish a new leading fork so that all the open contributions can find its 
way into the app. And as part of this revamp I would consider aligning the 
project to gnucash.org

What would be necessary, to move and continue the project under the gnucash org 
in the future?

I mean not only GitHub organization, but it would would be great to see the 
project as an official part of the community, with vendor "GnuCash" in the app 
store, mailing-list for support and so on.


Best Regards
Daniel
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