Re: Fw: VAT Call for Software developers
Here's one spreadsheet generator that has been cooking earlier... Looking for beta testers. I'll hope this will be ready for 2.8. https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/pull/177 On 6 September 2017 at 05:22, Wm via gnucash-devel < gnucash-devel@gnucash.org> wrote: > On 17/08/2017 13:47, Mike Evans wrote: > >> I just received this from HMRC. >> > > A comment rather than a reply. > > Since spreadsheets will allowed to be used for Making Tax Digital for the > foreseeable future, possibly with a glue application, I'm not convinced gnc > will need anything apart from a report that can be copied and pasted into a > spreadsheet > > I've arrived at this opinion by reading a few of the UK accounting bodies > websites, et al where many accountant / bookkeeper people make a living by > putting stuff into spreadsheets and letting the government know what the > sums are. > > So long as this simple solution is available and there is uncertainty > about detail (I certainly won't be coding anything in my RL work for now) > why not just think about what needs to go in a report? > > -- > Wm > > > > ___ > gnucash-devel mailing list > gnucash-devel@gnucash.org > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel > ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: Fw: VAT Call for Software developers
On 17/08/2017 13:47, Mike Evans wrote: I just received this from HMRC. A comment rather than a reply. Since spreadsheets will allowed to be used for Making Tax Digital for the foreseeable future, possibly with a glue application, I'm not convinced gnc will need anything apart from a report that can be copied and pasted into a spreadsheet I've arrived at this opinion by reading a few of the UK accounting bodies websites, et al where many accountant / bookkeeper people make a living by putting stuff into spreadsheets and letting the government know what the sums are. So long as this simple solution is available and there is uncertainty about detail (I certainly won't be coding anything in my RL work for now) why not just think about what needs to go in a report? -- Wm ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: Fw: VAT Call for Software developers
Uh ... Putting my "business analyst" hat on I see nothing there which says WHAT data needs to be transmitted to them digitally. This discussion has seemed to be making the assumption that gnucash would need to be sending it's "books" to them digitally which is NOT the same thing as saying that some reports, filings, etc. must be sent to them digitally << perhaps they get exported and then something else sends them >> For example here I might do an electronic FILING using data produced by gnucash to supply the numbers that get filled in during the electronic filing process. But gnucash is not doing the electronic filing. I think, before involving coding developers we need that information so that "business" level developers can determine what the REQUIREMENTS are. Michael D Novack PS: In my working days, sometimes wore one of those hats and sometimes the other. On 8/17/2017 8:47 AM, Mike Evans wrote: I just received this from HMRC. Begin forwarded message: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 10:46:57 + From: To: Subject: VAT Call for Software developers Dear All, I writing to tell you about a conference call that has been arranged for 11:00am on 05 September 2017. You may be aware that the Government has proposed that businesses with a turnover above the VAT threshold (currently £85,000) will be mandated to keep digital records and submit data to HMRC through its secure API platform service. The changes will take place from April 2019 for VAT. Current plans are to make the APIs available for private beta test in October 2017 and we want to advise interested software vendors about our thinking as well as provide them with an early opportunity to raise any issues or questions. It will of course also help us identify if your company is considering developing or enhancing a VAT product to support the proposals. We can then arrange to work with you going forward, providing the usual technical assistance and other support needed to prepare for the pilot, from April 18 and in readiness for the changes being mandated from April 2019. * Only businesses with a turnover above the VAT threshold will have to keep digital records and only for VAT purposes. They will only need to do so from 2019. * Other businesses will be able to file digitally on a voluntary basis for both VAT and Income Tax and NICs Our current development schedule is as follows 1. October 2017 - private beta (API testing) with interested software vendors 2. April 2018 - public beta (pilot) data submission for VAT purposes (MVP to include unincorporated businesses); we will be inviting business volunteers throughout the year, anticipating that early adopters will already be using software and therefore likely to already be your customers. These will include both Tax Agents, their clients as well as unrepresented VAT businesses. 3. From April 2019 - data submission for VAT purposes (that is all VAT-registered businesses whether the business is unincorporated or not); Mandated for VAT registered businesses with a turnover above the VAT threshold, but all VAT registered businesses can use the service. Please let me know if you intend to join the call so I can make the necessary arrangements. Please send your reply to this email no later than 17:00 on 24th August 2017. Kind Regards Dennis Dawkins |Senior Delivery Operations Lead| HMRC CDIO Digital - Software Developers Collaboration - Software Developers Support Team (SDST) | 2nd Floor, Accounts Office Shipley, Victoria Street, Shipley BD98 8AA The information in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal professional privilege. Unless you are the intended recipient or his/her representative you are not authorised to, and must not, read, copy, distribute, use or retain this message or any part of it. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately. HM Revenue & Customs computer systems will be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for lawful purposes. The Commissioners for HM Revenue and Customs are not liable for any personal views of the sender. This e-mail may have been intercepted and its information altered. ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel -- There is no possibility of social justice on a dead planet except the equality of the grave. ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Fw: VAT Call for Software developers
I just received this from HMRC. Begin forwarded message: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 10:46:57 + From: To: Subject: VAT Call for Software developers Dear All, I writing to tell you about a conference call that has been arranged for 11:00am on 05 September 2017. You may be aware that the Government has proposed that businesses with a turnover above the VAT threshold (currently £85,000) will be mandated to keep digital records and submit data to HMRC through its secure API platform service. The changes will take place from April 2019 for VAT. Current plans are to make the APIs available for private beta test in October 2017 and we want to advise interested software vendors about our thinking as well as provide them with an early opportunity to raise any issues or questions. It will of course also help us identify if your company is considering developing or enhancing a VAT product to support the proposals. We can then arrange to work with you going forward, providing the usual technical assistance and other support needed to prepare for the pilot, from April 18 and in readiness for the changes being mandated from April 2019. * Only businesses with a turnover above the VAT threshold will have to keep digital records and only for VAT purposes. They will only need to do so from 2019. * Other businesses will be able to file digitally on a voluntary basis for both VAT and Income Tax and NICs Our current development schedule is as follows 1. October 2017 - private beta (API testing) with interested software vendors 2. April 2018 - public beta (pilot) data submission for VAT purposes (MVP to include unincorporated businesses); we will be inviting business volunteers throughout the year, anticipating that early adopters will already be using software and therefore likely to already be your customers. These will include both Tax Agents, their clients as well as unrepresented VAT businesses. 3. From April 2019 - data submission for VAT purposes (that is all VAT-registered businesses whether the business is unincorporated or not); Mandated for VAT registered businesses with a turnover above the VAT threshold, but all VAT registered businesses can use the service. Please let me know if you intend to join the call so I can make the necessary arrangements. Please send your reply to this email no later than 17:00 on 24th August 2017. Kind Regards Dennis Dawkins |Senior Delivery Operations Lead| HMRC CDIO Digital - Software Developers Collaboration - Software Developers Support Team (SDST) | 2nd Floor, Accounts Office Shipley, Victoria Street, Shipley BD98 8AA The information in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal professional privilege. Unless you are the intended recipient or his/her representative you are not authorised to, and must not, read, copy, distribute, use or retain this message or any part of it. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately. HM Revenue & Customs computer systems will be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for lawful purposes. The Commissioners for HM Revenue and Customs are not liable for any personal views of the sender. This e-mail may have been intercepted and its information altered. Dear All, I writing to tell you about a conference call that has been arranged for 11:00am on 05 September 2017. You may be aware that the Government has proposed that businesses with a turnover above the VAT threshold (currently £85,000) will be mandated to keep digital records and submit data to HMRC through its secure API platform service. The changes will take place from April 2019 for VAT. Current plans are to make the APIs available for private beta test in October 2017 and we want to advise interested software vendors about our thinking as well as provide them with an early opportunity to raise any issues or questions. It will of course also help us identify if your company is considering developing or enhancing a VAT product to support the proposals. We can then arrange to work with you going forward, providing the usual technical assistance and other support needed to prepare for the pilot, from April 18 and in readiness for the changes being mandated from April 2019. * Only businesses with a turnover above the VAT threshold will have to keep digital records and only for VAT purposes. They will only need to do so from 2019. * Other businesses will be able to file digitally on a voluntary basis for both VAT and Income Tax and NICs Our current development schedule is as follows 1. October 2017 â private beta (API testing) with interested software vendors 2. April 2018 â public beta (pilot) data submission for VAT purposes (MVP to include unincorporated businesses); we will be
