Re: RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-07 Thread Derek Atkins
Stuart D. Gathman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 With that much memory in a server, non-ECC seems rather a risk.  A new
 Dell 3.0Ghz Pentium-D dual core 2G ECC ram 2x250G SATA is about $700 delivered
 in the continental US (SC440).  (Just bought one for home - very quiet.)  Then
 there are older SC400 models on ebay and such - typically 2.8Ghz Pentium 4.
 Maybe if the tip jar gets big enough? (...goes to get wallet...).

Well, we certainly have the cash in the tip jar for that, but I don't
think we need to spend that money now.  First, I wouldn't want to buy
a used system.  Second, I also don't think we need a new system, yet.
I'd rather spend only $150 to upgrade the existing server than $700 to
buy a new one, when frankly the existing server is working quite well
under the current load.  Yes, we'll probably need a new server in
another year or three if the load continues to increase as it's been
increasing.  This server has been deployed for... three years?  It
started with FC1, then was updated to FC4, and I plan to update to F7
at the end of the month.  I think it certainly has another one or two
years left in it before it should get retired..

The next server I want to by is either a dual-chip quad-code (8 CPUs)
or a quad-chip quad-core (16 CPUs) with somewhere from 16-32GB ram to
act as a VM server with a bunch of VMs for builds, tests, etc.  (this
would probably be a shared box between my company, my personal
stuff, and gnucash).  But that's probably not on the radar until next
year.

But thank you for your suggestion.

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Re: RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-07 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 09:19:57AM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
 
 The next server I want to by is either a dual-chip quad-code (8 CPUs)
 or a quad-chip quad-core (16 CPUs) with somewhere from 16-32GB ram to
 act as a VM server with a bunch of VMs for builds, tests, etc. 

cue homer simpson's drool

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Re: RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-06 Thread Derek Atkins
Christian Stimming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Am Freitag, 5. Oktober 2007 16:35 schrieb Josh Sled:
 Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I was planning to use the tip jar for this purchase, which is why I'm
  soliciting opinions before I purchase anything.  Note that if I order
  from NewEgg I can usually have the item delivered the next day.  On
  the other hand I wont have time to work on the hardware until probably
  October 27-28, so we have a little time to come to consensus.
 
  So... Comments?  Suggestions?

 Sounds good to me.

 Good for me, too. After all, this is precisely that sort of issues what the 
 tip jar is for.

Okay, sounds like rough consensus to me.  I've got plenty of money
in the tip jar but wanted to get feedback before I ordered anything.
I'll order two drives and I'm thinking of adding another 500MB of
memory (for an additional $60) to max out the memory of the server.
I just didn't want to do it unilaterally, but it sounds like we
have a consensus.  Let me know if you have objections to the RAM
purchase as well.

Thanks,

 Christian

-derek

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Re: RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-06 Thread Chris Shoemaker
On Sat, Oct 06, 2007 at 09:52:15AM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
 Okay, sounds like rough consensus to me.  I've got plenty of money
 in the tip jar but wanted to get feedback before I ordered anything.
 I'll order two drives and I'm thinking of adding another 500MB of
 memory (for an additional $60) to max out the memory of the server.

Splurge and get the whole 512MB.  :P

-chris

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Re: RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-06 Thread Nathan Buchanan
On 10/6/07, Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Christian Stimming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Am Freitag, 5. Oktober 2007 16:35 schrieb Josh Sled:
  Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   I was planning to use the tip jar for this purchase, which is why I'm
   soliciting opinions before I purchase anything.  Note that if I order
   from NewEgg I can usually have the item delivered the next day.  On
   the other hand I wont have time to work on the hardware until
 probably
   October 27-28, so we have a little time to come to consensus.
  
   So... Comments?  Suggestions?
 
  Sounds good to me.
 
  Good for me, too. After all, this is precisely that sort of issues what
 the
  tip jar is for.

 Okay, sounds like rough consensus to me.  I've got plenty of money
 in the tip jar but wanted to get feedback before I ordered anything.
 I'll order two drives and I'm thinking of adding another 500MB of
 memory (for an additional $60) to max out the memory of the server.


Max out...with 512MB? What will that take it up to? 2GB?

Sounds good to me.

Nathan

(PS: tigerdirect has 512 on for $37, assuming we're using DDR
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=586829Sku=ULT30215)
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Re: RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-06 Thread Nathan Buchanan
On 10/6/07, Nathan Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 10/6/07, Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Christian Stimming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Am Freitag, 5. Oktober 2007 16:35 schrieb Josh Sled:
   Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
I was planning to use the tip jar for this purchase, which is why
  I'm
soliciting opinions before I purchase anything.  Note that if I
  order
from NewEgg I can usually have the item delivered the next day.  On
 
the other hand I wont have time to work on the hardware until
  probably
October 27-28, so we have a little time to come to consensus.
   
So... Comments?  Suggestions?
  
   Sounds good to me.
  
   Good for me, too. After all, this is precisely that sort of issues
  what the
   tip jar is for.
 
  Okay, sounds like rough consensus to me.  I've got plenty of money
  in the tip jar but wanted to get feedback before I ordered anything.
  I'll order two drives and I'm thinking of adding another 500MB of
  memory (for an additional $60) to max out the memory of the server.


 Max out...with 512MB? What will that take it up to? 2GB?

 Sounds good to me.

 Nathan

 (PS: tigerdirect has 512 on for $37, assuming we're using DDR
 http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=586829Sku=ULT30215)


ah, s/\.ca/\.com and it's  $30




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Re: RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-06 Thread warlord
Quoting Nathan Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Max out...with 512MB? What will that take it up to? 2GB?

 Sounds good to me.

 Nathan

 (PS: tigerdirect has 512 on for $37, assuming we're using DDR
 http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=586829Sku=ULT30215)

Sorry, let me rephrase...  I need to replace the existing 512MB DIMM
with a 1GB DIMM to take the box from 1.5GB to 2GB, which is the Max
(according to crucial.com, whom I DO trust with these things).  So
I need a 1GB PC2700 2.5CAS non-buffered, non-ECC DIMM, which is about
$50.

-derek



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Re: RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-06 Thread Stuart D. Gathman
On Sat, 6 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sorry, let me rephrase...  I need to replace the existing 512MB DIMM
 with a 1GB DIMM to take the box from 1.5GB to 2GB, which is the Max
 (according to crucial.com, whom I DO trust with these things).  So
 I need a 1GB PC2700 2.5CAS non-buffered, non-ECC DIMM, which is about
 $50.

With that much memory in a server, non-ECC seems rather a risk.  A new
Dell 3.0Ghz Pentium-D dual core 2G ECC ram 2x250G SATA is about $700 delivered
in the continental US (SC440).  (Just bought one for home - very quiet.)  Then
there are older SC400 models on ebay and such - typically 2.8Ghz Pentium 4.
Maybe if the tip jar gets big enough? (...goes to get wallet...).

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Re: RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-06 Thread Nathan Buchanan
On 10/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Quoting Nathan Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Max out...with 512MB? What will that take it up to? 2GB?
 
  Sounds good to me.
 
  Nathan
 
  (PS: tigerdirect has 512 on for $37, assuming we're using DDR
 
 http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=586829Sku=ULT30215
 )

 Sorry, let me rephrase...  I need to replace the existing 512MB DIMM
 with a 1GB DIMM to take the box from 1.5GB to 2GB, which is the Max
 (according to crucial.com, whom I DO trust with these things).  So
 I need a 1GB PC2700 2.5CAS non-buffered, non-ECC DIMM, which is about
 $50.


Ah, makes sense now.

-derek






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RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-05 Thread Derek Atkins
Hi,

One of the disks in the CVS/SVN/Wiki/etc server is slowly failing.  I
read the daily log reports and every week or so for the past month
I've received a report of a failed sector on hda, e.g.:

 WARNING:  Kernel Errors Present
end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector ...:  2 Time(s)
hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { Uncorrect ...:  2 Time(s)
hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } ...:  2 Time(s)

 Oct  4 22:40:13 raid1: hda6: rescheduling sector 18089128 
 Oct  4 22:40:19 raid1: hda6: redirecting sector 18089128 to another mirror 

So in order to prevent data loss, I'd like to replace the HDD.  I'm
considering replacing it with this 250G/16M Seagate drive:

  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148143

Actually, I'd like to order TWO of these drives.  No, we don't really
need the extra space (we still have 40G free on /home, out of 56G
using a pair of 80G drives in RAID1), but I might as well replace both
drives at the same time as they're both about the same age.  This is
the cheapest 16MB cache drive I could find, and it's one of the
cheapest Seagate drives I could find (the only cheaper Seagate had
only a 2MB cache).

Granted, I could save $20 per drive by going with a 200G/8MB Maxtor:

  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822144211

I'm really hoping to avoid Western Digital.

I was planning to use the tip jar for this purchase, which is why I'm
soliciting opinions before I purchase anything.  Note that if I order
from NewEgg I can usually have the item delivered the next day.  On
the other hand I wont have time to work on the hardware until probably
October 27-28, so we have a little time to come to consensus.

So... Comments?  Suggestions?

-derek
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Re: RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-05 Thread Josh Sled
Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I was planning to use the tip jar for this purchase, which is why I'm
 soliciting opinions before I purchase anything.  Note that if I order
 from NewEgg I can usually have the item delivered the next day.  On
 the other hand I wont have time to work on the hardware until probably
 October 27-28, so we have a little time to come to consensus.

 So... Comments?  Suggestions?

Sounds good to me.

(Are you thinking of doing the other os/software upgrades at the same time?)

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Re: RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-05 Thread Derek Atkins
Josh Sled [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I was planning to use the tip jar for this purchase, which is why I'm
 soliciting opinions before I purchase anything.  Note that if I order
 from NewEgg I can usually have the item delivered the next day.  On
 the other hand I wont have time to work on the hardware until probably
 October 27-28, so we have a little time to come to consensus.

 So... Comments?  Suggestions?

 Sounds good to me.

 (Are you thinking of doing the other os/software upgrades at the same time?)

Yes, sorry, I should've made it clear that my plan would be to update
the hardware and then update to Fedora 7 at the same time, which is
why I would book a weekend for it.  I can get the disks effectively
overnight (NewEgg is great that way!) so it's just a question of
consensus on what disks to obtain and me making the time to actually
do the work.

 ...jsled
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-derek

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Re: RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-05 Thread Chris Shoemaker
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 10:29:55AM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
 Hi,
 
snip
 
 So... Comments?  Suggestions?

Good idea.
-chris
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Re: RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-05 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 10:40:29AM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
 Josh Sled [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I was planning to use the tip jar for this purchase, which is why I'm
  soliciting opinions before I purchase anything.  Note that if I order
  from NewEgg I can usually have the item delivered the next day.  On
  the other hand I wont have time to work on the hardware until probably
  October 27-28, so we have a little time to come to consensus.
 
  So... Comments?  Suggestions?
 
  Sounds good to me.
 
  (Are you thinking of doing the other os/software upgrades at the same time?)
 
 Yes, sorry, I should've made it clear that my plan would be to update
 the hardware and then update to Fedora 7 at the same time, which is
 why I would book a weekend for it.  I can get the disks effectively
 overnight (NewEgg is great that way!) so it's just a question of
 consensus on what disks to obtain and me making the time to actually
 do the work.

I'm partial to seagate drives, especially those 5yr warranty ones but
regardless, I put some $ in the tip jar to help out with this and
thanks as always guys for great work!

A


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Re: RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-05 Thread Trevor Farlow
On 10/5/07, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 10:40:29AM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
  Josh Sled [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   I was planning to use the tip jar for this purchase, which is why I'm
   soliciting opinions before I purchase anything.  Note that if I order
   from NewEgg I can usually have the item delivered the next day.  On
   the other hand I wont have time to work on the hardware until
 probably
   October 27-28, so we have a little time to come to consensus.
  
   So... Comments?  Suggestions?
  
   Sounds good to me.
  
   (Are you thinking of doing the other os/software upgrades at the same
 time?)
 
  Yes, sorry, I should've made it clear that my plan would be to update
  the hardware and then update to Fedora 7 at the same time, which is
  why I would book a weekend for it.  I can get the disks effectively
  overnight (NewEgg is great that way!) so it's just a question of
  consensus on what disks to obtain and me making the time to actually
  do the work.

 I'm partial to seagate drives, especially those 5yr warranty ones but
 regardless, I put some $ in the tip jar to help out with this and
 thanks as always guys for great work!

 A


I'd say go for it with the 16MB cache Seagates, too.
Pulling myself out of the temporary poverty that is college, I couldn't add
much to the tip jar.  But I appreciate a software project that has been
solid for me for a couple of years now.
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Re: RFC: Server disk slowly failing, I plan to replace it using tip jar.

2007-10-05 Thread Christian Stimming
Am Freitag, 5. Oktober 2007 16:35 schrieb Josh Sled:
 Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I was planning to use the tip jar for this purchase, which is why I'm
  soliciting opinions before I purchase anything.  Note that if I order
  from NewEgg I can usually have the item delivered the next day.  On
  the other hand I wont have time to work on the hardware until probably
  October 27-28, so we have a little time to come to consensus.
 
  So... Comments?  Suggestions?

 Sounds good to me.

Good for me, too. After all, this is precisely that sort of issues what the 
tip jar is for.

Christian
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