Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Stephen M. Butler]

I heard back from Dmitry.  He doesn't like Ubuntu (or any other Debian
derivative), thinks PPAs are not good, and doesn't want his name
associated with any such effort.

So, I'll study what he did and learn from it.  Probably start with the
bare minimum since we don't intend for this to replace the official
release stream.  And, we'll honor his desire and not mention his name in
any of those files!

But not today.  I've got a pile of other things on my plate.  Maybe I
can cobble up a minimal package on Sunday just to test Launchpad out to
see how it works.

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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Andrew Ruthven]

Given Gnucash is a compiled binary, it will need to be compiled against
specific major versions of shared libraries. You need to have the
matching libraries available.

Building the package against the required versions of Ubuntu will be
required to link against the available versions of the libraries.

Cheers,
Andrew

On Thu, 2019-01-03 at 21:51 +, Colin Law wrote:
> Managed to give
> http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gnucash/gnucash_3.4-
> 1_amd64.deb
> a quick try on 18.10 and it fails to install with lots of missing
> packages, and apt install -f just says it is going to remove the
> partially install gnucash again, which I think means the packages are
> not available on 18.10.  I assume it will be the same or worse on
> 18.04.
> 
> Colin
> 
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 21:46, Stephen M. Butler 
> wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks.  I checked the trusty and others and they had older
> > versions.
> > So, maybe not so good news.
> > 
> > But, if I can get his debian folder
> > 
> > On 1/3/19 1:34 PM, Colin Law wrote:
> > > On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 21:28, Stephen M. Butler 
> > > wrote:
> > > > mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu
> > > >  > > > sh_3.4-1_amd64.deb>
> > > > 
> > > > Colin, do you have a machine on which this can be tested?
> > > 
> > > Yes, on Ubuntu 18.10.  Note that I think this is intended for
> > > disco
> > > (19.04) so whether there will be problems with 18.10 or 18.04
> > > remains
> > > to be seen.  I can't try it till tomorrow though (it is late
> > > evening
> > > here in UK).
> > > 
> > > Colin
> > > 
> > 
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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Adrien Monteleone]

I haven’t. I did try to download the 1.58-dev files from the Xenial repo, but 
that’s when I hit a wall of additional dependencies and decided further effort 
wasn’t worth the trouble.

I don’t need it for my own use. I was just testing it because I had time.

I daily use GnuCash on High Sierra.

I suspect though that I’d still get the error as it was looking for a 1.58 
version it couldn’t find despite that I had 1.65 installed. (and then upgraded 
to 1.67, still to no effect)

When I tried to start unraveling everything back to a prior state (I should 
have just taken a snapshot of the VM) I learned that libboost is also used by 
LibreOffice so most systems will probably have it, just not the version spec’d 
for the Disco .deb.

Note, I also have not tried Stephen’s .deb file. I was only testing the one 
from the Disco repos he linked today. I’m not sure if that would have made a 
difference.

Regards,
Adrien
> On Jan 3, 2019, at 6:40 PM, David Cousens  wrote:
> 
> Adrien,
> 
> Have you loaded and compiled with the libboost-dat-time-dev headers
> installed. I have libboost-date-time-dev,  libboost-date-time1.65-dev and
> libboost-date-time1.65.1 loaded on Linux Mint 19 (Ubuntu Bionic 18.04) and
> it builds and compiles without any problem.. dpkg -l | grep
> libboost-date-time will list the installed libraries
> 
> I think I used sudo apt install libboost-all-dev to install the headers
> although apt-cache lists libboost-dev as the default header files and it
> also only lists libboost-date-time1.65-dev and libboost-date-time1.65.1. I
> think libboost-date-time-dev is a hangover or a dependency for another
> program I build
> 
> David Cousens
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Stephen M. Butler]

Adrien and Colin,

Thanks for banging on this.  I have an email out to Dmitry asking if he
has a Launchpad account or if he'll let me use his /debian folder (which
I have already downloaded and started inspecting) to push up to
Launchpad to try to build a ppa for the various versions.

--Steve

On 1/3/19 2:42 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> I found this:
>
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2019-January/081695.html
>
> noting that the following needed to be installed:
>
> libboost-filesystem1.65.1
> libboost-date-time1.65.1
> libboost-locale1.65.1
> libboost-regex1.65.1
>
> But my error was for 1.58, not 1.65 missing
>
> I installed them anyway, with no effect on the error. (as expected)
>
> After some investigation, it seems 1.58 was in Xenial. (this was the original 
> OS installed in this VM and it has undergone two in-place upgrades to Bionic 
> and now Cosmic) It seems the upgrade didn’t play nice and now my software is 
> still looking for old versions of libraries. (or the Xenial version of 
> GnuCash didn’t uninstall properly)
>
> I downloaded the libboost-date-time1.58 deb but that gave me another 
> dependency, which I downloaded and upon trying to install that, was hit with 
> about 6 more dependencies.
>
> I’m giving up.
>
> Perhaps a fresh Cosmic install will play much nicer.
>
> At this point, it would be much simpler just to build from source.
>
> Sorry I couldn’t give you a definitive “It works!”
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
>> On Jan 3, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I have a Cosmic VM handy so I tested the Disco .deb via “dpkg -i” and here 
>> was the result:
>>
>>
>> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gnucash:
>> gnucash depends on gnucash-common (= 1:3.4-1); however:
>>  Package gnucash-common is not installed.
>> gnucash depends on libboost-regex1.67.0 (>= 1.67.0-10); however:
>>  Package libboost-regex1.67.0 is not installed.
>> gnucash depends on libicu63 (>= 63.1-1~); however:
>>  Package libicu63 is not installed.
>> gnucash depends on libpython3.7 (>= 3.7.0); however:
>>  Package libpython3.7 is not installed.
>> gnucash depends on libfinance-quote-perl; however:
>>  Package libfinance-quote-perl is not installed.
>> gnucash depends on libhtml-tableextract-perl; however:
>>  Package libhtml-tableextract-perl is not installed.
>>
>> dpkg: error processing package gnucash (--install):
>> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
>>
>> I did an ‘apt search’ on the missing dependencies with the following results:
>>
>> gnucash-common, libicu63 (“International Components for Unicode”) and the 
>> required version of libboost-regex1.67.0 are not in Cosmic, you’ll need to 
>> download them from Disco.
>>
>> gnucash-common: https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/gnucash-common
>>
>> libicu63: https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/libicu63
>>
>> libboost-regex1.67.0: https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/libboost-regex1.67.0
>>
>> Download those files, but do not install them yet.
>>
>> First, install these:
>>
>> sudo apt libfinance-quote-perl libhtml-tableextract-perl libpython3.7 
>> libpython3.7-minimal libpython3.7-stdlib
>>
>> (those last two are dependencies of libpython3.7 and are in Cosmic)
>>
>>
>> *adjust the following package names for your architecture:
>>
>>
>> Then install libboost-regex1.67.0:
>>
>> sudo dpkg -i libboost-regex1.67.0_1.67.0-11_amd64.deb
>>
>>
>>
>> Then install libicu63:
>>
>> sudo dpkg -i libicu63_63.1-5_amd64.deb
>>
>>
>>
>> Then instal gnucash-common:
>>
>> sudo dpkg -i gnucash-common_3.4-1_all.deb
>>
>>
>>
>> Then finally, install gnucash:
>>
>> sudo dpkg -i gnucash_3.4-1_amd64.deb
>>
>> --
>>
>> Note that I went in reverse as I was trying to find and then install the 
>> dependencies, so at some point, I got the advice from apt to try ‘apt 
>> --fix-broken install’ which pulled in libfinance-quote-perl 
>> libhtml-tableextract-perl libpython3.7 libpython3.7-minimal 
>> libpython3.7-stdlib as the rest was already installed but not completely 
>> configured.
>>
>> Now, GC still doesn’t run and I’m getting an error:
>>
>> gnucash: error while loading shared libraries: libboost_date_time.so.1.58.0: 
>> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
>>
>> I recall someone encountered that in the *.deb thread, so I’ll go look there 
>> to see if there was a resolution. This file doesn’t appear to be in any 
>> ubuntu repos.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks.  I checked the trusty and others and they had older versions. 
>>> So, maybe not so good news.
>>>
>>> But, if I can get his debian folder
>>>
>>> On 1/3/19 1:34 PM, Colin Law wrote:
 On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 21:28, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
> mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu
> 
>
> Colin, do you have a machine on which this can be tested?
 Yes, on Ubuntu 18.10.  Note that I think 

Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[David Cousens]

Adrien,

Have you loaded and compiled with the libboost-dat-time-dev headers
installed. I have libboost-date-time-dev,  libboost-date-time1.65-dev and
libboost-date-time1.65.1 loaded on Linux Mint 19 (Ubuntu Bionic 18.04) and
it builds and compiles without any problem.. dpkg -l | grep
libboost-date-time will list the installed libraries

 I think I used sudo apt install libboost-all-dev to install the headers
although apt-cache lists libboost-dev as the default header files and it
also only lists libboost-date-time1.65-dev and libboost-date-time1.65.1. I
think libboost-date-time-dev is a hangover or a dependency for another
program I build

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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Adrien Monteleone]

I found this:

https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2019-January/081695.html

noting that the following needed to be installed:

libboost-filesystem1.65.1
libboost-date-time1.65.1
libboost-locale1.65.1
libboost-regex1.65.1

But my error was for 1.58, not 1.65 missing

I installed them anyway, with no effect on the error. (as expected)

After some investigation, it seems 1.58 was in Xenial. (this was the original 
OS installed in this VM and it has undergone two in-place upgrades to Bionic 
and now Cosmic) It seems the upgrade didn’t play nice and now my software is 
still looking for old versions of libraries. (or the Xenial version of GnuCash 
didn’t uninstall properly)

I downloaded the libboost-date-time1.58 deb but that gave me another 
dependency, which I downloaded and upon trying to install that, was hit with 
about 6 more dependencies.

I’m giving up.

Perhaps a fresh Cosmic install will play much nicer.

At this point, it would be much simpler just to build from source.

Sorry I couldn’t give you a definitive “It works!”

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 3, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a Cosmic VM handy so I tested the Disco .deb via “dpkg -i” and here 
> was the result:
> 
> 
> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gnucash:
> gnucash depends on gnucash-common (= 1:3.4-1); however:
>  Package gnucash-common is not installed.
> gnucash depends on libboost-regex1.67.0 (>= 1.67.0-10); however:
>  Package libboost-regex1.67.0 is not installed.
> gnucash depends on libicu63 (>= 63.1-1~); however:
>  Package libicu63 is not installed.
> gnucash depends on libpython3.7 (>= 3.7.0); however:
>  Package libpython3.7 is not installed.
> gnucash depends on libfinance-quote-perl; however:
>  Package libfinance-quote-perl is not installed.
> gnucash depends on libhtml-tableextract-perl; however:
>  Package libhtml-tableextract-perl is not installed.
> 
> dpkg: error processing package gnucash (--install):
> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
> 
> I did an ‘apt search’ on the missing dependencies with the following results:
> 
> gnucash-common, libicu63 (“International Components for Unicode”) and the 
> required version of libboost-regex1.67.0 are not in Cosmic, you’ll need to 
> download them from Disco.
> 
> gnucash-common: https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/gnucash-common
> 
> libicu63: https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/libicu63
> 
> libboost-regex1.67.0: https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/libboost-regex1.67.0
> 
> Download those files, but do not install them yet.
> 
> First, install these:
> 
> sudo apt libfinance-quote-perl libhtml-tableextract-perl libpython3.7 
> libpython3.7-minimal libpython3.7-stdlib
> 
> (those last two are dependencies of libpython3.7 and are in Cosmic)
> 
> 
> *adjust the following package names for your architecture:
> 
> 
> Then install libboost-regex1.67.0:
> 
> sudo dpkg -i libboost-regex1.67.0_1.67.0-11_amd64.deb
> 
> 
> 
> Then install libicu63:
> 
> sudo dpkg -i libicu63_63.1-5_amd64.deb
> 
> 
> 
> Then instal gnucash-common:
> 
> sudo dpkg -i gnucash-common_3.4-1_all.deb
> 
> 
> 
> Then finally, install gnucash:
> 
> sudo dpkg -i gnucash_3.4-1_amd64.deb
> 
> --
> 
> Note that I went in reverse as I was trying to find and then install the 
> dependencies, so at some point, I got the advice from apt to try ‘apt 
> --fix-broken install’ which pulled in libfinance-quote-perl 
> libhtml-tableextract-perl libpython3.7 libpython3.7-minimal 
> libpython3.7-stdlib as the rest was already installed but not completely 
> configured.
> 
> Now, GC still doesn’t run and I’m getting an error:
> 
> gnucash: error while loading shared libraries: libboost_date_time.so.1.58.0: 
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> 
> I recall someone encountered that in the *.deb thread, so I’ll go look there 
> to see if there was a resolution. This file doesn’t appear to be in any 
> ubuntu repos.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.  I checked the trusty and others and they had older versions. 
>> So, maybe not so good news.
>> 
>> But, if I can get his debian folder
>> 
>> On 1/3/19 1:34 PM, Colin Law wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 21:28, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
 mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu
 
 
 Colin, do you have a machine on which this can be tested?
>>> Yes, on Ubuntu 18.10.  Note that I think this is intended for disco
>>> (19.04) so whether there will be problems with 18.10 or 18.04 remains
>>> to be seen.  I can't try it till tomorrow though (it is late evening
>>> here in UK).
>>> 
>>> Colin
>>> 
>> 
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>> 

Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Stephen M. Butler]

Shucks!  I had High Hopes:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Buq40brGDTY


On 1/3/19 1:51 PM, Colin Law wrote:
> Managed to give
> http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gnucash/gnucash_3.4-1_amd64.deb
> a quick try on 18.10 and it fails to install with lots of missing
> packages, and apt install -f just says it is going to remove the
> partially install gnucash again, which I think means the packages are
> not available on 18.10.  I assume it will be the same or worse on
> 18.04.
>
> Colin
>
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 21:46, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
>> Thanks.  I checked the trusty and others and they had older versions.
>> So, maybe not so good news.
>>
>> But, if I can get his debian folder
>>
>> On 1/3/19 1:34 PM, Colin Law wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 21:28, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
 mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu
 

 Colin, do you have a machine on which this can be tested?
>>> Yes, on Ubuntu 18.10.  Note that I think this is intended for disco
>>> (19.04) so whether there will be problems with 18.10 or 18.04 remains
>>> to be seen.  I can't try it till tomorrow though (it is late evening
>>> here in UK).
>>>
>>> Colin
>>>
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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Colin Law]

Managed to give
http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gnucash/gnucash_3.4-1_amd64.deb
a quick try on 18.10 and it fails to install with lots of missing
packages, and apt install -f just says it is going to remove the
partially install gnucash again, which I think means the packages are
not available on 18.10.  I assume it will be the same or worse on
18.04.

Colin

On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 21:46, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
>
> Thanks.  I checked the trusty and others and they had older versions.
> So, maybe not so good news.
>
> But, if I can get his debian folder
>
> On 1/3/19 1:34 PM, Colin Law wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 21:28, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
> >> mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu
> >> 
> >>
> >> Colin, do you have a machine on which this can be tested?
> > Yes, on Ubuntu 18.10.  Note that I think this is intended for disco
> > (19.04) so whether there will be problems with 18.10 or 18.04 remains
> > to be seen.  I can't try it till tomorrow though (it is late evening
> > here in UK).
> >
> > Colin
> >
>
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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Stephen M. Butler]

Thanks.  I checked the trusty and others and they had older versions. 
So, maybe not so good news.

But, if I can get his debian folder

On 1/3/19 1:34 PM, Colin Law wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 21:28, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
>> mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu
>> 
>>
>> Colin, do you have a machine on which this can be tested?
> Yes, on Ubuntu 18.10.  Note that I think this is intended for disco
> (19.04) so whether there will be problems with 18.10 or 18.04 remains
> to be seen.  I can't try it till tomorrow though (it is late evening
> here in UK).
>
> Colin
>

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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Colin Law]

On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 21:28, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
>
> mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu
> 
>
> Colin, do you have a machine on which this can be tested?

Yes, on Ubuntu 18.10.  Note that I think this is intended for disco
(19.04) so whether there will be problems with 18.10 or 18.04 remains
to be seen.  I can't try it till tomorrow though (it is late evening
here in UK).

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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Stephen M. Butler]

I have cleaned up this thread quite a bit.

The summary is, it looks like Dmitry Smirnovis is doing the work!  Just
hard to find.
And, he's not behind (well, maybe a day or two).

On 1/1/19 3:25 PM, Andrew Ruthven wrote:
> Perhaps worth getting in touch with Dmitry Smirnov, the Debian
> Developer who looks after gnucash in Debian?
>
> Looking at:
>   https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/gnucash
> Ubuntu is just taking the package from Debian.
>
> It does seem reasonable to have a PPA to make newer versions of Gnucash
> available in Ubuntu, and uploading it to the relevant -backports repos
> for Debian.

> I've been happily using Gnucash from Debian for ... many years.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew
>
So I went there and discovered that


  Package: gnucash (1:3.4-1) [*universe*]

was already waiting to be downloaded.  Scroll down toward the bottom of
the page and find:


Download gnucash

ArchitecturePackage SizeInstalled Size  Files
amd64 
3,288.9 kB  21,952.0 kB [list of files
]
arm64 
3,091.5 kB  21,764.0 kB [list of files
]
armhf 
2,996.7 kB  18,365.0 kB [list of files
]
i386 
3,462.5 kB  21,876.0 kB [list of files
]
ppc64el 
3,365.1 kB  24,893.0 kB [list of files
]
s390x 
3,055.1 kB  22,220.0 kB [list of files
]


I clicked on the amd64 link and it took me to: 
https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/amd64/gnucash/download


Download Page for gnucash_3.4-1_amd64.deb on AMD64 machines

I went to this mirror and am downloading the deb file now. 
mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu


Perhaps I've researched myself out of a job!!!  We just have to know
where to look.

Colin, do you have a machine on which this can be tested?

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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Stephen M. Butler]

These references the required files: 
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html

  * changelog -- may need to reformat for the debian folder (will need
some research
  * copyright -- probably copy over as is
  * control -- probably a one time creation
  * rules -- needs research

And the optional files:
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html

These need research:

  * README.Debian
  * compat
  * conffiles
  * package.cron.*
  * dirs
  * package.doc-base
  * docs
  * emacsen
  * package.examples
  * package.init
  * package.default
  * install
  * package.info
  * package.links
  * {package..source/}lintian-overrides
  * manpage.*
  * NEWS
  * TODO
  * watch
  * etc

|| 
Obviously I'm 100 ft deep and the tank of air just ran dry.  Excuse me
while I buddy breathe and we'll eventually make it to the surface.

--Steve

What did I get myself into?




On 1/1/19 3:25 PM, Andrew Ruthven wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Replying out of sequence as I deleted the original messages (oops).
>
> On Tue, 2019-01-01 at 12:17 -0800, Stephen M. Butler wrote:
>> On 1/1/19 12:57 AM, Geert Janssens wrote:
>>> Op maandag 31 december 2018 18:41:35 CET schreef Stephen M. Butler:
 Dev Team,

 So far, three folks have either used or inquired about using the
 debian
 package for 3.4.  Marketing theory (no, I'm a software engineer
 by
 avocation) says that there are several more that would take
 advantage if
 it were more "supported".
> Perhaps worth getting in touch with Dmitry Smirnov, the Debian
> Developer who looks after gnucash in Debian?
>
> Looking at:
>   https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/gnucash
> Ubuntu is just taking the package from Debian.
>
> It does seem reasonable to have a PPA to make newer versions of Gnucash
> available in Ubuntu, and uploading it to the relevant -backports repos
> for Debian.
>
 Here are my thoughts:

  1. Both Ubuntu (Launchpad) and Debian request certain files in a
 ~/debian folder.  Most of these appear to be copies of files
 the
 application already has.  Perhaps a softlink could be put in
 the
 debian folder that points to the original so that changes in
 the
 original automatically show up in the folder.  Does this work
 via git?
> I've checked the source from Debian and I'm not seeing any files in the
> debian directory which have been copied from the main source tree. Are
> there any examples you can provide?
>
  2. I'm willing to coordinate the effort to build that folder (I
 presume
 on the Master branch) but will need volunteers from more
 technical
 folks from time-to-time to handle some of the techy stuff.  I
 know
 the devs are busy squashing bugs so this would have to take a
 back
 seat to that. 
> This directory already exists:
>   https://salsa.debian.org/debian/gnucash/tree/master/debian
> why re-invent it?
>
> I've been happily using Gnucash from Debian for ... many years.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew
>

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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Andrew Ruthven]

Hey,

Replying out of sequence as I deleted the original messages (oops).

On Tue, 2019-01-01 at 12:17 -0800, Stephen M. Butler wrote:
> On 1/1/19 12:57 AM, Geert Janssens wrote:
> > Op maandag 31 december 2018 18:41:35 CET schreef Stephen M. Butler:
> > > Dev Team,
> > > 
> > > So far, three folks have either used or inquired about using the
> > > debian
> > > package for 3.4.  Marketing theory (no, I'm a software engineer
> > > by
> > > avocation) says that there are several more that would take
> > > advantage if
> > > it were more "supported".

Perhaps worth getting in touch with Dmitry Smirnov, the Debian
Developer who looks after gnucash in Debian?

Looking at:
  https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/gnucash
Ubuntu is just taking the package from Debian.

It does seem reasonable to have a PPA to make newer versions of Gnucash
available in Ubuntu, and uploading it to the relevant -backports repos
for Debian.

> > > Here are my thoughts:
> > > 
> > >  1. Both Ubuntu (Launchpad) and Debian request certain files in a
> > > ~/debian folder.  Most of these appear to be copies of files
> > > the
> > > application already has.  Perhaps a softlink could be put in
> > > the
> > > debian folder that points to the original so that changes in
> > > the
> > > original automatically show up in the folder.  Does this work
> > > via git?

I've checked the source from Debian and I'm not seeing any files in the
debian directory which have been copied from the main source tree. Are
there any examples you can provide?

> > >  2. I'm willing to coordinate the effort to build that folder (I
> > > presume
> > > on the Master branch) but will need volunteers from more
> > > technical
> > > folks from time-to-time to handle some of the techy stuff.  I
> > > know
> > > the devs are busy squashing bugs so this would have to take a
> > > back
> > > seat to that. 

This directory already exists:
  https://salsa.debian.org/debian/gnucash/tree/master/debian
why re-invent it?

I've been happily using Gnucash from Debian for ... many years.

Cheers,
Andrew

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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Stephen M. Butler]

On 1/1/19 12:57 AM, Geert Janssens wrote:
> Steve,
>
> It's nice to see you're willing to work on getting gnucash on launchpad.
>
> >From my point of view this is completely disconnected from what the gnucash 
> project itself does, so feel free to go about this as you like.
>
> On the other hand I'm not really sure I understand the bit about the debian 
> directory. From the GnuCash project's point of view this is not something to 
> add in the gnucash git repository as it's distribution/packaging specific. 
> You 
> could set up a separate repository for this if you like. The GnuCash project 
> currently maintains 3 like that as well: one each for packaging GnuCash on 
> Windows, MacOS or Flatpak.
>
> Lastly at this point I don't think we want to add yet another release target 
> as part of the primary release process. But you're most welcome to take this 
> on you and I appreciate your offer!
>
> Regards,
>
> Geert


Thanks Geert.  As I said, I didn't want to step where I wasn't supposed
to be!  I'll check out the other repositories and see what I can do.

>
> Op maandag 31 december 2018 18:41:35 CET schreef Stephen M. Butler:
>> Dev Team,
>>
>> So far, three folks have either used or inquired about using the debian
>> package for 3.4.  Marketing theory (no, I'm a software engineer by
>> avocation) says that there are several more that would take advantage if
>> it were more "supported".
>>
>> Here are my thoughts:
>>
>>  1. Both Ubuntu (Launchpad) and Debian request certain files in a
>> ~/debian folder.  Most of these appear to be copies of files the
>> application already has.  Perhaps a softlink could be put in the
>> debian folder that points to the original so that changes in the
>> original automatically show up in the folder.  Does this work via git?
>>  2. I'm willing to coordinate the effort to build that folder (I presume
>> on the Master branch) but will need volunteers from more technical
>> folks from time-to-time to handle some of the techy stuff.  I know
>> the devs are busy squashing bugs so this would have to take a back
>> seat to that. 
>>  3. Building this folder might even be beneficial to the official
>> packagers for the various distros.
>>  4. One team for whom I did light testing, published a daily build (no
>> longer daily as the software matured) for the adventurous.
>>
>>  
>> https://launchpad.net/~subsurface/+archive/ubuntu/subsurface-daily
>>
>> I would be willing to push the files up to Launchpad if the team sees
>> value in perusing this.  However, I don't want to step on anybodies toes
>> if this would get in the way of the official release process for the
>> various distros.  And, if this got to the point of highly automated,
>> perhaps the dev team would prefer to do the push themselves.
>>
>> --Steve
>
>
>
>

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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Geert Janssens]

Steve,

It's nice to see you're willing to work on getting gnucash on launchpad.

>From my point of view this is completely disconnected from what the gnucash 
project itself does, so feel free to go about this as you like.

On the other hand I'm not really sure I understand the bit about the debian 
directory. From the GnuCash project's point of view this is not something to 
add in the gnucash git repository as it's distribution/packaging specific. You 
could set up a separate repository for this if you like. The GnuCash project 
currently maintains 3 like that as well: one each for packaging GnuCash on 
Windows, MacOS or Flatpak.

Lastly at this point I don't think we want to add yet another release target 
as part of the primary release process. But you're most welcome to take this 
on you and I appreciate your offer!

Regards,

Geert

Op maandag 31 december 2018 18:41:35 CET schreef Stephen M. Butler:
> Dev Team,
> 
> So far, three folks have either used or inquired about using the debian
> package for 3.4.  Marketing theory (no, I'm a software engineer by
> avocation) says that there are several more that would take advantage if
> it were more "supported".
> 
> Here are my thoughts:
> 
>  1. Both Ubuntu (Launchpad) and Debian request certain files in a
> ~/debian folder.  Most of these appear to be copies of files the
> application already has.  Perhaps a softlink could be put in the
> debian folder that points to the original so that changes in the
> original automatically show up in the folder.  Does this work via git?
>  2. I'm willing to coordinate the effort to build that folder (I presume
> on the Master branch) but will need volunteers from more technical
> folks from time-to-time to handle some of the techy stuff.  I know
> the devs are busy squashing bugs so this would have to take a back
> seat to that. 
>  3. Building this folder might even be beneficial to the official
> packagers for the various distros.
>  4. One team for whom I did light testing, published a daily build (no
> longer daily as the software matured) for the adventurous.
> 
>  
> https://launchpad.net/~subsurface/+archive/ubuntu/subsurface-daily
> 
> I would be willing to push the files up to Launchpad if the team sees
> value in perusing this.  However, I don't want to step on anybodies toes
> if this would get in the way of the official release process for the
> various distros.  And, if this got to the point of highly automated,
> perhaps the dev team would prefer to do the push themselves.
> 
> --Steve




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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Adrien Monteleone]

Single board computers such as the various Pi boards will benefit from armhf if 
not arm64, not sure any machines out there in userland would need the ppc64el 
port. (a little-endian build for Power based chips)

arm64 is the ‘default’ but most of the Pi boards, including the RaspberryPi3 
use armhf, which stands for ‘hard float’. Raspian was a hack to work around the 
lack of floating point support of the early RaspberryPi boards, but now it can 
run straight debian using the armhf port.

I can’t seem to find anything definitive concerning differences between arm64 
and armhf and what machines might use arm64 in the wild.

Also, some newer Chromebooks are shipping with ARM chips instead of Intel.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Dec 31, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
> 
> On 12/31/18 11:52 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>> Stephen,
>> 
>> I could be mistaken, but doesn’t Launchpad have automated build facilities 
>> to target different releases? That might ease providing packages for the LTS 
>> versions and the current regular version even if you aren’t running them 
>> yourself. That won’t help derivative distros but as people discover which 
>> one works best, that info can be passed on for those users.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
> 
> 
> If I am reading their documentation correctly, you can pick several
> environments to which they will build deb files. 
> 
> I believe these architectures were supported:
> 
> X86, AMD64, arm64, armhf, ppc64el
> 
> 
> In addition, you could pick several release environments including:
> 
> Ubuntu:  Cosmic, Bionic, Xenial, Trusty
> 
> Debian: Stretch, Jessie, Wheezy, SID
> 
> 
> It sounded like all that had to happen is to push a tarball up with the
> ./Debian folder already populated and their system would build to all
> those environments automatically.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> PS  I'm not sure what arm64, armhf, and ppc64el would do for GnC!
> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2018, at 11:55 AM, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 12/31/18 9:47 AM, Colin Law wrote:
 I don't think the guys/gals that maintain the official Debian and
 Ubuntu packages are on this list, though I may be wrong.
 
 Colin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Perhaps the question then becomes:  Is the team willing to support an
>>> unofficial PPA for the latest version of GnC?
>>> 
>>> If so, I'll do more research.  If not, I'll stop.
>>> 
 On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 at 17:44, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
> Dev Team,
> 
> So far, three folks have either used or inquired about using the debian
> package for 3.4.  Marketing theory (no, I'm a software engineer by
> avocation) says that there are several more that would take advantage if
> it were more "supported".
> 
> Here are my thoughts:
> 
> 1. Both Ubuntu (Launchpad) and Debian request certain files in a
>   ~/debian folder.  Most of these appear to be copies of files the
>   application already has.  Perhaps a softlink could be put in the
>   debian folder that points to the original so that changes in the
>   original automatically show up in the folder.  Does this work via git?
> 2. I'm willing to coordinate the effort to build that folder (I presume
>   on the Master branch) but will need volunteers from more technical
>   folks from time-to-time to handle some of the techy stuff.  I know
>   the devs are busy squashing bugs so this would have to take a back
>   seat to that.
> 3. Building this folder might even be beneficial to the official
>   packagers for the various distros.
> 4. One team for whom I did light testing, published a daily build (no
>   longer daily as the software matured) for the adventurous.
> 
> 
> https://launchpad.net/~subsurface/+archive/ubuntu/subsurface-daily
> 
> I would be willing to push the files up to Launchpad if the team sees
> value in perusing this.  However, I don't want to step on anybodies toes
> if this would get in the way of the official release process for the
> various distros.  And, if this got to the point of highly automated,
> perhaps the dev team would prefer to do the push themselves.
> 
> --Steve
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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Stephen M. Butler]

On 12/31/18 11:52 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> Stephen,
>
> I could be mistaken, but doesn’t Launchpad have automated build facilities to 
> target different releases? That might ease providing packages for the LTS 
> versions and the current regular version even if you aren’t running them 
> yourself. That won’t help derivative distros but as people discover which one 
> works best, that info can be passed on for those users.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien


If I am reading their documentation correctly, you can pick several
environments to which they will build deb files. 

I believe these architectures were supported:

    X86, AMD64, arm64, armhf, ppc64el


In addition, you could pick several release environments including:

Ubuntu:  Cosmic, Bionic, Xenial, Trusty

Debian: Stretch, Jessie, Wheezy, SID


It sounded like all that had to happen is to push a tarball up with the
./Debian folder already populated and their system would build to all
those environments automatically.

--Steve

PS  I'm not sure what arm64, armhf, and ppc64el would do for GnC!

>
>> On Dec 31, 2018, at 11:55 AM, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
>>
>> On 12/31/18 9:47 AM, Colin Law wrote:
>>> I don't think the guys/gals that maintain the official Debian and
>>> Ubuntu packages are on this list, though I may be wrong.
>>>
>>> Colin
>>
>>
>> Perhaps the question then becomes:  Is the team willing to support an
>> unofficial PPA for the latest version of GnC?
>>
>> If so, I'll do more research.  If not, I'll stop.
>>
>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 at 17:44, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
 Dev Team,

 So far, three folks have either used or inquired about using the debian
 package for 3.4.  Marketing theory (no, I'm a software engineer by
 avocation) says that there are several more that would take advantage if
 it were more "supported".

 Here are my thoughts:

 1. Both Ubuntu (Launchpad) and Debian request certain files in a
~/debian folder.  Most of these appear to be copies of files the
application already has.  Perhaps a softlink could be put in the
debian folder that points to the original so that changes in the
original automatically show up in the folder.  Does this work via git?
 2. I'm willing to coordinate the effort to build that folder (I presume
on the Master branch) but will need volunteers from more technical
folks from time-to-time to handle some of the techy stuff.  I know
the devs are busy squashing bugs so this would have to take a back
seat to that.
 3. Building this folder might even be beneficial to the official
packagers for the various distros.
 4. One team for whom I did light testing, published a daily build (no
longer daily as the software matured) for the adventurous.


 https://launchpad.net/~subsurface/+archive/ubuntu/subsurface-daily

 I would be willing to push the files up to Launchpad if the team sees
 value in perusing this.  However, I don't want to step on anybodies toes
 if this would get in the way of the official release process for the
 various distros.  And, if this got to the point of highly automated,
 perhaps the dev team would prefer to do the push themselves.

 --Steve


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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Adrien Monteleone]

Stephen,

I could be mistaken, but doesn’t Launchpad have automated build facilities to 
target different releases? That might ease providing packages for the LTS 
versions and the current regular version even if you aren’t running them 
yourself. That won’t help derivative distros but as people discover which one 
works best, that info can be passed on for those users.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Dec 31, 2018, at 11:55 AM, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
> 
> On 12/31/18 9:47 AM, Colin Law wrote:
>> I don't think the guys/gals that maintain the official Debian and
>> Ubuntu packages are on this list, though I may be wrong.
>> 
>> Colin
> 
> 
> 
> Perhaps the question then becomes:  Is the team willing to support an
> unofficial PPA for the latest version of GnC?
> 
> If so, I'll do more research.  If not, I'll stop.
> 
>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 at 17:44, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
>>> Dev Team,
>>> 
>>> So far, three folks have either used or inquired about using the debian
>>> package for 3.4.  Marketing theory (no, I'm a software engineer by
>>> avocation) says that there are several more that would take advantage if
>>> it were more "supported".
>>> 
>>> Here are my thoughts:
>>> 
>>> 1. Both Ubuntu (Launchpad) and Debian request certain files in a
>>>~/debian folder.  Most of these appear to be copies of files the
>>>application already has.  Perhaps a softlink could be put in the
>>>debian folder that points to the original so that changes in the
>>>original automatically show up in the folder.  Does this work via git?
>>> 2. I'm willing to coordinate the effort to build that folder (I presume
>>>on the Master branch) but will need volunteers from more technical
>>>folks from time-to-time to handle some of the techy stuff.  I know
>>>the devs are busy squashing bugs so this would have to take a back
>>>seat to that.
>>> 3. Building this folder might even be beneficial to the official
>>>packagers for the various distros.
>>> 4. One team for whom I did light testing, published a daily build (no
>>>longer daily as the software matured) for the adventurous.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://launchpad.net/~subsurface/+archive/ubuntu/subsurface-daily
>>> 
>>> I would be willing to push the files up to Launchpad if the team sees
>>> value in perusing this.  However, I don't want to step on anybodies toes
>>> if this would get in the way of the official release process for the
>>> various distros.  And, if this got to the point of highly automated,
>>> perhaps the dev team would prefer to do the push themselves.
>>> 
>>> --Steve
>>> 
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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Stephen M. Butler]

On 12/31/18 9:47 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> I don't think the guys/gals that maintain the official Debian and
> Ubuntu packages are on this list, though I may be wrong.
>
> Colin



Perhaps the question then becomes:  Is the team willing to support an
unofficial PPA for the latest version of GnC?

If so, I'll do more research.  If not, I'll stop.

> On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 at 17:44, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
>> Dev Team,
>>
>> So far, three folks have either used or inquired about using the debian
>> package for 3.4.  Marketing theory (no, I'm a software engineer by
>> avocation) says that there are several more that would take advantage if
>> it were more "supported".
>>
>> Here are my thoughts:
>>
>>  1. Both Ubuntu (Launchpad) and Debian request certain files in a
>> ~/debian folder.  Most of these appear to be copies of files the
>> application already has.  Perhaps a softlink could be put in the
>> debian folder that points to the original so that changes in the
>> original automatically show up in the folder.  Does this work via git?
>>  2. I'm willing to coordinate the effort to build that folder (I presume
>> on the Master branch) but will need volunteers from more technical
>> folks from time-to-time to handle some of the techy stuff.  I know
>> the devs are busy squashing bugs so this would have to take a back
>> seat to that.
>>  3. Building this folder might even be beneficial to the official
>> packagers for the various distros.
>>  4. One team for whom I did light testing, published a daily build (no
>> longer daily as the software matured) for the adventurous.
>>
>>
>> https://launchpad.net/~subsurface/+archive/ubuntu/subsurface-daily
>>
>> I would be willing to push the files up to Launchpad if the team sees
>> value in perusing this.  However, I don't want to step on anybodies toes
>> if this would get in the way of the official release process for the
>> various distros.  And, if this got to the point of highly automated,
>> perhaps the dev team would prefer to do the push themselves.
>>
>> --Steve
>>
>> --
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Re: [GNC-dev] Launchpad

[Colin Law]

I don't think the guys/gals that maintain the official Debian and
Ubuntu packages are on this list, though I may be wrong.

Colin

On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 at 17:44, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
>
> Dev Team,
>
> So far, three folks have either used or inquired about using the debian
> package for 3.4.  Marketing theory (no, I'm a software engineer by
> avocation) says that there are several more that would take advantage if
> it were more "supported".
>
> Here are my thoughts:
>
>  1. Both Ubuntu (Launchpad) and Debian request certain files in a
> ~/debian folder.  Most of these appear to be copies of files the
> application already has.  Perhaps a softlink could be put in the
> debian folder that points to the original so that changes in the
> original automatically show up in the folder.  Does this work via git?
>  2. I'm willing to coordinate the effort to build that folder (I presume
> on the Master branch) but will need volunteers from more technical
> folks from time-to-time to handle some of the techy stuff.  I know
> the devs are busy squashing bugs so this would have to take a back
> seat to that.
>  3. Building this folder might even be beneficial to the official
> packagers for the various distros.
>  4. One team for whom I did light testing, published a daily build (no
> longer daily as the software matured) for the adventurous.
>
>
> https://launchpad.net/~subsurface/+archive/ubuntu/subsurface-daily
>
> I would be willing to push the files up to Launchpad if the team sees
> value in perusing this.  However, I don't want to step on anybodies toes
> if this would get in the way of the official release process for the
> various distros.  And, if this got to the point of highly automated,
> perhaps the dev team would prefer to do the push themselves.
>
> --Steve
>
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