Re: Scheduled transactions editor does not include ACTION feature | Use Bugzilla

[Dave H]

OK Andrew, I think I understand now - you are referring to the Action field
when you click on a "split" line of a transaction you're editing.in the
Scheduled Transaction editor - not something I use or have really noticed
to be frank :-)

I guess you're saying that like the notes field in bug 776564  that you
mentioned if you enter a select a value in the drop down list it's not
being copied to the final transaction created by the scheduled transaction
function.?

Cheers Dave H

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On 24 July 2017 at 12:34, aegross  wrote:

> GnuCash - User mailing list wrote
> > the Action field in a given transaction.
>
> I am **not** talking about the ACTION  field in any particular account
> register.  Rather,  once a scheduled transaction has been setup; if that
> transaction is going to be edited, it needs to be edited in the Scheduled
> Transaction Editor.  I am saying that in that Editor, the action field does
> not work.This is **somewhat** similar to Bugzilla bug 776564 where the
> notes field had a problem **in the Editor**.
>
>
> GnuCash - User mailing list wrote
> > re few extra developer cycles for edge cases.
>
> Totally understood!  Just wanted to know where to record my 2 cents.
>
> Best,
> AEG
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Re: Scheduled transactions editor does not include ACTION feature | Use Bugzilla

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Andrew, 
I believe that you and I are talking about the same field, and that you are NOT 
talking about the Actions menu,  which Dave H. was talking about. 
I specifically said the action field in a _transaction_; whether that 
transaction is in a register or the transaction editor should be, I believe,  
immaterial. If there is a behavioral difference between them, that would be an 
issue. 
That was why I asked you what specific steps you were taking to arrive at this 
conclusion, to see if the problem can be reproduced. 

Again, taking into account that I don't use scheduled transactions much, I do 
recall that the transaction editor is slightly different from a normal 
register, and that there is an extra line that is not present in a normal 
register. That confused me the few times I tried to edit transactions there. 
I should add that the devs say they prefer noting enhancements either in 
Bugzilla or on Uservoice, precisely because requests on the lists get lost. I'm 
not sure there is a clear delineation of when to use which. 
Cheers, David 
 
 
  On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:55, aegross wrote:   GnuCash - 
User mailing list wrote
> the Action field in a given transaction. 

I am **not** talking about the ACTION  field in any particular account
register.  Rather,  once a scheduled transaction has been setup; if that
transaction is going to be edited, it needs to be edited in the Scheduled
Transaction Editor.  I am saying that in that Editor, the action field does
not work.    This is **somewhat** similar to Bugzilla bug 776564 where the
notes field had a problem **in the Editor**. 


GnuCash - User mailing list wrote
> re few extra developer cycles for edge cases.

Totally understood!  Just wanted to know where to record my 2 cents.

Best,
AEG





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Re: Scheduled transactions editor does not include ACTION feature | Use Bugzilla

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GnuCash - User mailing list wrote
> the Action field in a given transaction. 

I am **not** talking about the ACTION  field in any particular account
register.  Rather,  once a scheduled transaction has been setup; if that
transaction is going to be edited, it needs to be edited in the Scheduled
Transaction Editor.  I am saying that in that Editor, the action field does
not work.This is **somewhat** similar to Bugzilla bug 776564 where the
notes field had a problem **in the Editor**. 


GnuCash - User mailing list wrote
> re few extra developer cycles for edge cases.

Totally understood!  Just wanted to know where to record my 2 cents.

Best,
AEG





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Re: Scheduled transactions editor does not include ACTION feature | Use Bugzilla

[D via gnucash-user]

Hi,

I don't use scheduled transactions much.

I also don't know what Andrew is referring to. Dave seems to think it's the 
menu for actions, but Andrew's last message suggests he is talking about the 
Action field in a given transaction. A little more clarity will help here. If 
it is the field, explain specifically what you are trying, what exactly you 
expect, and what exactly you see.

As for the question about enhancement requests, they certainly can go in 
Bugzilla, but it is wise first to be sure you have a good sense of what you 
want and why (and how GnuCash fails to meet that), as there are few extra 
developer cycles for edge cases. I'm not saying such requests fall on deaf 
ears, just that the devs are busy with some major overhauls.

David

On July 24, 2017, at 3:45 AM, Dave H  wrote:

I don't think the Action menu changed for the Scheduled Transactions from
2.6.16 to 2.6.17 but I could be wrong.  It's not something I ever use but
it's there in 2.6.17 in both the Windows and Linux versions.  I thought
there was an issue with icons/menu items on Mac but I could be wrong.  John
Ralls or David T (?) might be able to confirm this for you as I think
they're both running on Mac ?

Check out the GnuCash User Voice feature list at
https://gnucash.uservoice.com/forums/101223-feature-request which is the
preferred method of suggesting/requesting enhancements from memory 

Cheers Dave H.


On 24 July 2017 at 08:15, aegross  wrote:

> Dave H wrote
> > As far as I'm concerned on Windows 10 it displays a subset of menu items
> > that relate to the Scheduled Transactions which is all I care about when
> > I'm in the Scheduled Transaction editor :-)
>
> Dave, I am using Mac OS X, GC v2.6.16.  Perhaps the editor was updated in
> the current version (v.17) to allow changes.  In v.16 the editor does not
> allow any changes in the ACTIONS field.  I will upgrade my GC shortly and
> try again.
>
> But more than the specific feature, I was trying to get a feel for whether
> Bugzilla should be used for requesting enhancements.  I often see
> enhancements requested via email, but that seems sort of chaotic and puts
> it
> on the development staff to cull requests.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
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Budget bar chart with sub-accounts

[Jon Schewe]

Has anyone found a way to create a budget bar chart that sums the child
accounts?

I have a budget for Medical and I have a Medical account and sub accounts
for Doctor and Prescription. I would like the bar chart to display the sum
of Medical, Medical:Doctor, and Medical:Prescription vs. the Medical
budget.

I see that the text budget report does this.

Right now I don't get any chart if the accounts have sub-accounts.

Thanks
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Re: Scheduled transactions editor does not include ACTION feature | Use Bugzilla

[Dave H]

I don't think the Action menu changed for the Scheduled Transactions from
2.6.16 to 2.6.17 but I could be wrong.  It's not something I ever use but
it's there in 2.6.17 in both the Windows and Linux versions.  I thought
there was an issue with icons/menu items on Mac but I could be wrong.  John
Ralls or David T (?) might be able to confirm this for you as I think
they're both running on Mac ?

Check out the GnuCash User Voice feature list at
https://gnucash.uservoice.com/forums/101223-feature-request which is the
preferred method of suggesting/requesting enhancements from memory 

Cheers Dave H.


On 24 July 2017 at 08:15, aegross  wrote:

> Dave H wrote
> > As far as I'm concerned on Windows 10 it displays a subset of menu items
> > that relate to the Scheduled Transactions which is all I care about when
> > I'm in the Scheduled Transaction editor :-)
>
> Dave, I am using Mac OS X, GC v2.6.16.  Perhaps the editor was updated in
> the current version (v.17) to allow changes.  In v.16 the editor does not
> allow any changes in the ACTIONS field.  I will upgrade my GC shortly and
> try again.
>
> But more than the specific feature, I was trying to get a feel for whether
> Bugzilla should be used for requesting enhancements.  I often see
> enhancements requested via email, but that seems sort of chaotic and puts
> it
> on the development staff to cull requests.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
>
>
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Re: Scheduled transactions editor does not include ACTION feature | Use Bugzilla

[aegross]

Dave H wrote
> As far as I'm concerned on Windows 10 it displays a subset of menu items
> that relate to the Scheduled Transactions which is all I care about when
> I'm in the Scheduled Transaction editor :-) 

Dave, I am using Mac OS X, GC v2.6.16.  Perhaps the editor was updated in
the current version (v.17) to allow changes.  In v.16 the editor does not
allow any changes in the ACTIONS field.  I will upgrade my GC shortly and
try again.

But more than the specific feature, I was trying to get a feel for whether
Bugzilla should be used for requesting enhancements.  I often see
enhancements requested via email, but that seems sort of chaotic and puts it
on the development staff to cull requests. 

Thanks,
Andrew

 



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Re: Manually Post Scheduled Transactions

[Edward Doolittle]

I don't know anything at all about MS Money, but in general I would suggest
it would be wise to abandon notions of how other software handles issues
and instead try to do it in "the GnuCash way", or at least in "one of the
GnuCash ways".

This is how I personally handle scheduled transactions: I set up GnuCash
periodic scheduled transactions for all of my periodic transactions
(utility bills, mortgage, and my regular pay, for example). I overestimate
expenses and underestimate income. I do my best to estimate the dates of
the transactions. In the description, I add "(EST)" or "(Estimate)". I set
it up so that the transactions are automatically (not manually) posted to
my accounts a certain period in advance. (I use 366 days, although that's
extreme. Others on this list seem more likely to use 1 or 2 months.)

When more information becomes available, for instance when I receive a
utility bill or pay stub, I manually correct the posted transaction (date
and all the amounts) and remove "(EST)" from the description. Sometimes I
correct a whole year in advance, like when I get new insurance contracts,
for example.

Regularly I will search all accounts for transactions with descriptions
containing "(EST)" which are dated on or before the current date. Those are
transactions for which the necessary corrections are urgent. You can either
do a global "Find" for such transactions or use Doug Doughty's new
transaction report which hasn't yet made its way into a standard release
(but I hope is on its way there). One advantage to Doug's report is that
you can save it so you don't have to re-enter the search terms each time
you want to run the search.

Finally, I ensure that everything is correct by regularly reconciling all
my accounts to the extent possible. (I reconcile almost everything except
my income and expense accounts, and cash, the use of which I try to
minimize.)

Scheduled transactions are (for me at least) not a way to reduce workload.
In fact, they probably increase my workload, because sometimes I have to
make multiple different corrections to transactions. (My pay, especially,
is like that. I occasionally receive pay raises which are hard to predict
in advance. Recently, a regular deduction for university club dues was
stopped when the club unexpectedly folded. So that's two corrections I
(could have) made to a year's worth of pay transaction estimates. (Lazily,
I didn't make the corrections because they're small and in the right
direction, so I can reasonably leave the corrections until I receive the
pay stubs. On the other hand, utility rate increases mean that I do have to
make corrections to the scheduled transaction template and a year's worth
of estimated scheduled transactions.)

Scheduled transactions are (for me) a way to get good cash flow
projections, and to provide a framework to allow me to plan better and to
make small edits rather than wholesale changes to my financial records.

Scheduled transactions are inevitably just estimates. So the question is
when they will be corrected. Personally, I'm comfortable with leaving a
year's worth of uncorrected future estimates in my accounts as long as they
are marked as estimates and they are in the right direction (income low,
expenses high). The difference with the MS Money approach seems to be that
they are not comfortable posting any estimates at all. If that's the issue,
my suggestion to you is to loosen that restriction, allow GnuCash to post
estimates, and then correct them regularly.

(The one issue I have with this whole process is in estimating
discretionary credit card expenses which are not periodic. In that case I
include estimated credit card payments which reflect my budget, and include
a lump sum transfer from credit card to "miscellaneous expenses" which I
later decrease as actual charges accrue, and then delete. It's a bit crude
but seems to work well enough.)



On 23 July 2017 at 11:54, pfwoolver...@juno.com 
wrote:

> I am struggling with Schedule in GC 2.6.16.  I want to manually post
> scheduled transactions and have the transactions show dates I select.
>
> I reviewed the Concepts Guide and the Help Manual, and searched the user
> archives without success.  I have bits and pieces, but still do not
> understand how to manually post the transactions.
>
> My prior experience is with MS Money 3.0.  MS Money shows a window with a
> list of future transactions.  To post a transaction in MS Money, I select
> it and update fields such as date, amount, and memo.  Then I enter the
> transaction.  The transaction is posted and a new, future transaction is
> created in the list.
>
> I would like step-by-step instructions on how to manually post a scheduled
> transaction starting with a transaction which is not set to be created by
> GC.  Is there a source for such instructions?
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Re: Update problem: "Procedure not found"

[John Ralls]

> On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Dick Gardner  wrote:
> 
> I installed Windows .17 Vers. over .6, unfortunately in the same folder.
> On trying to launch, I got the Warning:
> 
> * 09:42:34  WARN  Failed to dlopen() 'C:\Program Files
> (x86)\gnucash\bin\libgncmod-qif-0.dll': 'C:\Program Files
> (x86)\gnucash\bin\libgncmod-qif-0.dll': The specifiedprocedure
> could not be found.
> 
> How ​can I best recover​?   Thanks.
> 

Installing a new version over an older one is normal and the installer should 
take care of it. Windows doesn't like having multiple GnuCash installations and 
can easily be confused by multiple paths. Since something did go wrong:

Uninstall GnuCash with Control Panel>Programs and Features, use Windows 
Explorer to ensure that c:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash is deleted and that 
there aren't any other gnucash installations. Use Control Panel>System>Advanced 
System Settings, Advanced Tab, Environment Variables button to make sure that 
the %PATH% doesn't contain any reference to GnuCash; delete any that you find.

Once your system is cleaned re-run the gnucash setup program.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: Manually Post Scheduled Transactions

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Have you looked at section 4.5 of the Tutorial and Concepts Guide? 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.6/C/gnucash-guide/txns-sxn1.html 


Let us know what that fails to cover.

David

> On Jul 23, 2017, at 10:54 PM, pfwoolver...@juno.com wrote:
> 
> I am struggling with Schedule in GC 2.6.16.  I want to manually post 
> scheduled transactions and have the transactions show dates I select.
> 
> I reviewed the Concepts Guide and the Help Manual, and searched the user 
> archives without success.  I have bits and pieces, but still do not 
> understand how to manually post the transactions.
> 
> My prior experience is with MS Money 3.0.  MS Money shows a window with a 
> list of future transactions.  To post a transaction in MS Money, I select it 
> and update fields such as date, amount, and memo.  Then I enter the 
> transaction.  The transaction is posted and a new, future transaction is 
> created in the list.
> 
> I would like step-by-step instructions on how to manually post a scheduled 
> transaction starting with a transaction which is not set to be created by GC. 
>  Is there a source for such instructions?
> 
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Manually Post Scheduled Transactions

[pfwoolver...@juno.com]

I am struggling with Schedule in GC 2.6.16.  I want to manually post scheduled 
transactions and have the transactions show dates I select.

I reviewed the Concepts Guide and the Help Manual, and searched the user 
archives without success.  I have bits and pieces, but still do not understand 
how to manually post the transactions.
 
My prior experience is with MS Money 3.0.  MS Money shows a window with a list 
of future transactions.  To post a transaction in MS Money, I select it and 
update fields such as date, amount, and memo.  Then I enter the transaction.  
The transaction is posted and a new, future transaction is created in the list.

I would like step-by-step instructions on how to manually post a scheduled 
transaction starting with a transaction which is not set to be created by GC.  
Is there a source for such instructions?


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Update problem: "Procedure not found"

[Dick Gardner]

I installed Windows .17 Vers. over .6, unfortunately in the same folder.
On trying to launch, I got the Warning:

 * 09:42:34  WARN  Failed to dlopen() 'C:\Program Files
(x86)\gnucash\bin\libgncmod-qif-0.dll': 'C:\Program Files
(x86)\gnucash\bin\libgncmod-qif-0.dll': The specifiedprocedure
could not be found.

How ​can I best recover​?   Thanks.

rbg1...@gmail.com
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Re: Tracking a TIAA mixed fund account

[David T. via gnucash-user]

The proposed structure is set up precisely as you want, down to the naming, and 
it will show total portfolio. At least it does for me.

Personally, I don’t know the precise share holdings for any of the mutual funds 
I own, so the Lifecycle funds are, for me, exactly the same.

David

P.S. Dale’s comment about the income accounts is useful, and what I do as well.

> On Jul 23, 2017, at 10:36 AM, AC  wrote:
> 
> Seems like it might but what I want is to have the top level account
> (let's just call it TIAA) follow the entire value of the portfolio.
> Underneath that I want to see what the three individual funds are doing
> (the two lifecycles and the mutual).  In the case of the lifecycle,
> you're correct that it sort of looks like a mutual fund except that I
> don't know what's actually inside it unlike a traditional MF where I
> know the individual distribution of shares that make up the overall MF.
> 
> In this case then there would be three under TIAA, TIAA LC 1, TIAA LC2
> and TIAA MF and I would want to see the individual values (in dollars)
> of those three including the contributions to each, whatever dividends
> they earn and then, in the case of TIAA MF, I'd want to have the
> underlying distributions recorded just like a normal MF account.
> 
> I suppose the sticky point is having the value tracking of the whole
> portfolio in addition to the individual fund values and then the MF
> distributions.  Trying to get the cascade to work right.
> 
> On 2017-07-22 21:17, David T. wrote:
>> I may be misunderstanding,  but it seems like the following would work:
>> 
>> Assets:TIAA (cash)
>> Assets:TIAA:Lifecycle 1 (commodity)
>> Assets:TIAA:Lifecycle 2 (commodity)
>> Assets:TIAA:TIAA Mutual Fund (commodity)
>> 
>> My experience of the so called "Lifecycle" funds is that they are just like 
>> any 
>> other mutual funds.
>> 
>> When I handle payroll deductions, the dollars go into the cash account, and 
>> a 
>> separate purchase transaction moves the cash into fund shares. It's a little 
>> cumbersome, but it allows me to ensure that the right numbers get in.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> David
>> 
>>On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 8:38, AC
>> wrote:
>>I want to start tracking my TIAA retirement portfolio for informational
>>purposes (no reporting needs, filings, etc.) but I need some suggestions
>>on structuring the account trees so that it doesn't affect my existing
>>accounts.  However, possibly later I'll edit things so that the paycheck
>>contributions are directed accordingly so I'd want the new accounts to
>>allow that eventually (i.e. for now I'll add contributions manually
>>using a virtual source and eventually go back through and move those to
>>withdraw from my paycheck, the amount withheld is already accounted)
>> 
>>The trick with my TIAA portfolio is that it has three different products
>>within it.  Two of them are TIAA funds (one of the lifecycle multi-asset
>>funds) that does not have a breakdown of the individual holdings (like a
>>mutual fund).  These two only document the employer contributions, my
>>contributions, shares and interest/dividends.  The third product is a
>>TIAA mutual fund for which the individual holdings are broken out with
>>all the same data as a typical mutual fund (shares, prices, etc.)
>> 
>>What I expect to have is some type of top-level account that tracks the
>>overall value of the portfolio in dollars and then either within that or
>>somewhere nearby an account or account tree for each of the three
>>products.  At first I had considered just making the two TIAA funds into
>>an account that was basically a mutual fund with a single holding but I
>>wasn't quite sure how to combine that with the one real mutual fund when
>>each of the three funds receives different amounts of contributions and
>>individual dividends.  Perhaps it would be a top-level account then
>>three sub-accounts that are all mutual funds with two of them having one
>>holding and the last is the broken out holding?
>> 
>>I don't plan on using this for any official reporting (I get those
>>documents already), and I don't plan on downloading statements, quotes,
>>or anything else.  I'll just manually track things as my statements come
>>in and I enter the data from those, perhaps updating symbol share prices
>>manually if I'm interested at a particular time.  I don't currently use
>>much reporting as is with my existing accounts except an occasional cash
>>flow report so as long as that isn't affected I'm fine.  I do currently
>>have a mutual fund being tracked so I want to be careful not to cause
>>trouble for that either.
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