Re: [GNC] [SPAM] Re: Decimal points messed up

[John Ralls]

2.4.11 was released more than 6 1/2 years ago. It was built for 32 bits so the 
miracle that it runs on Mojave will end with Catalina, which doesn't run 32-bit 
binaries. You're very likely the only user left still running 2.4 on MacOS.

You can of course hack away on invoice.scm in 3.6 if you like. Normally I'd say 
that was a suboptimal solution because you'd have to make a patch and reapply 
it with every upgrade after modifying it to accommodate whatever changes had 
been made to the report since the last upgrade. But since you don't upgrade 
much I guess that won't matter to you.

Using the custom settings doesn't mean that you need to create a saved 
configuration for every invoice. You can create a template with the logo and 
whatever other formatting changes you like and save that, then open it and make 
further changes in the options as needed for individual invoices.

Notice that the Layout tab also has a block at the bottom for entering custom 
CSS where you might be able to add the space in the amounts and can certainly 
adjust the table spacing. Mind, however, that I don't use invoices at all and 
can't give you more specific guidance. Perhaps others here can.

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Aug 28, 2019, at 3:52 AM, Axel Essbaum  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I see also that the new invoice layout is a bit problematic for me.  Where 
>> before I had "CHF 390.00" I now have "SFr.390.00" (no space between currency 
>> and value).  Also, the cells in the printed table have very little space to 
>> the cell borders.  I'm wondering if it's worth the effort to dig through the 
>> default invoice.scm to get the layout I want (like it used to be in 2.4) or 
>> if I should just stay with 2.4.  Are there any particular gotchas with 
>> running 2.4.11 with Mojave?
> 
> 
> Don't suppose this is easy to work around?  (2.4.11 in Mojave)
> 
> 
> Crashed Thread:0
> 
> Exception Type:EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
> Exception Codes:   0x, 0x
> Exception Note:EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY
> 
> Termination Reason:DYLD, [0x4] Symbol missing
> 
> Application Specific Information:
> dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries
> DYLD_FRAMEWORK_PATH=/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Frameworks
> DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib:/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/gnucash::/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/:/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib:/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/gnucash
> 
> Dyld Error Message:
>  Symbol not found: _inflateValidate
>  Referenced from: 
> /System/Library/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib
>  Expected in: /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libz.1.dylib
> in 
> /System/Library/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib
> 
> - Axel
> 

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Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards

[Adrien Monteleone]

Haim,

If the money is transferred in advance to the card, then the card is an asset 
and is a ‘pre-paid’ card similar to gift cards. (the fact that a credit card 
network like VISA might process the transaction isn’t relevant to this question)

If the money is drawn from checking to ‘pay’ for what you ’spent/charged’ on 
the card, then the card is a liability. Should something happen where that 
auto-payment doesn’t occur, you still owe the funds.

Be careful though, if the card was initially pre-funded and then subsequently 
topped off in the same amount of a purchase, that isn’t a liability payment. It 
is just fully funding the card back to the earlier level for ‘future’ use 
—thus, still a pre-paid card.

If the card is simply a way to draw funds out of checking without writing a 
paper check (like in the US and maybe some other locations), then there is no 
need for a separate account. (or separate transaction entries)

If the card truly is accounted for separately, and not just another means of 
access to the same account, (or maybe a segregation of funds in the same 
account) then you might want to create a separate asset account in GnuCash for 
tracking its balance and transfers/top-offs to it. (make it a sub-account of 
checking if it is a segregation of funds) Those transfers don’t need to happen 
each transaction. I would model the ‘real world’ transactions as they occur. 
That is, if you use the card 5 times in one day, but only one transfer happens 
for the sum of all of them, then just record that one actual transfer between 
checking and card. Don’t do it separately for each transaction. That way, if 
you have to research your GnuCash transaction history comparing to statements 
or online history, you’ll be matching up the same actual transactions rather 
than multiple ‘virtual’ ones. That process will go much smoother and faster. 
(and likely make it easier to spot a mistake)

However, by all means, speak to a local CPA (and your bank) for official 
advice. They’ll be more familiar with how the card functions, as well as your 
local laws, and can better advise you how to set up your books.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Aug 28, 2019 w35d240, at 4:52 AM, Haim Roman  wrote:
> 
> I get separate statements for the checking account & debit card.
> On the checking account, it just notes that money was transferred to the
> debit card.
> It's the debit card statement that says to whom I paid.
> 
> In addition, sometimes the checking statment notes a *single *transfer to
> the debit card that actually corresponds to *multiple *transactions on the
> debit card statement.
> 
> I live in Israel.  Maybe debit cards work a bit differently in other
> countries.


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[GNC] Exporting from GnuCash Android App

[Haim Roman]

   - I can export to QIF format fine.
   - But when I try to export CSV, my GnuCash app crashes.
   - When I try to export XML, it either crashes or cannot attach the file
   to the mail.  Yes, I e-mail my exports.
   - Android version 5.1.1.
   - Phone is Samsung Galaxy S5 new edition
   - GnuCash version 2.4.0

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Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards

[Robert Heller]

At Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:21:47 -0500 David Carlson  
wrote:

> 
> Just to make this thread more interesting, here in the United States it is
> possible to purchase rechargeable 'gift cards' that can be used like credit
> cards to pay for things, and recharged at a bank or currency exchange to be
> used again.  I think these are used by people who do not want to have a
> bank account, but need a way to pay with 'plastic'.  As in some other
> countries, there are now retail businesses appearing that do not accept
> cash.

And UMass's photo IDs are also rechargeable debit cards (and can be using with 
vending machines and dining commons around campus.  (It is not a 
VISA/MasterCard branded card and can only be used on campus.)

> 
> I would liken such a card to be an asset,
> 
> David Carlson
> 
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 8:57 AM Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
> 
> > Haim,
> >
> > I'm in the US and here the debit card directly debits the checking
> > (asset) account.  From your description it appears that your debit card
> > acts more like a credit card but with automatic payments from checking
> > on some regular basis (perhaps daily).
> >
> > Can you download the transactions from the debit account?  In that case,
> > I'd setup the debit account as a liability (just my preference -- might
> > depend on how the bank uses the debit/credit columns in the download).
> > This should catch both your charges and your payments .
> >
> > You would have one transaction per charge from debit to expenses.   Plus
> > one transaction per payment from checking to debit.
> >
> > Depending on how you bank auto pays the debit card, that might end up
> > being two transactions per use of the debit card.  However, I thought
> > you mentioned that the bank sometimes combines multiple charges into a
> > single payment.
> >
> > --Steve
> >
> >
> > On 8/28/19 5:14 AM, Haim Roman wrote:
> > > First of all, I want to thank everyone who has responded so far.  And
> > those
> > > might respond in the future.
> > >
> > > *Gary*, did you mean that each use of a debit card involves *two
> > > *transactions?
> > > 1st from checking/savings to debit card, and 2nd from debit card to
> > > expense?
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 3:02 PM Gary Holtum <
> > diamondhranc...@earthlink.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> A debit card is an asset.
> > >>
> > >> You transfer $ from Checking or Savings to Debit card then to Expense
> > acct.
> > >>
> > >> Gary
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: gnucash-user [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+diamondhranchqh=
> > >> earthlink@gnucash.org] On Behalf Of Haim Roman
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 5:05 AM
> > >> To: Gnucash Users
> > >> Subject: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards
> > >>
> > >> Hi.  I'm new to GnuCash and to bookkeeping/accounting in general.  I
> > have 2
> > >> questions about debit cards.
> > >>
> > >> (1) I made my debit card account a Liability account, as I did with my
> > >> credit card accounts.  In the GnuCash archives, someone wrote a debit
> > card
> > >> should be an Access account.  Is that correct?
> > >>
> > >> (2) I envisioned debit card transactions as single transactions with 3
> > >> stages:  Checking to Debit Card to Expense (yes, I have different
> > expense
> > >> accounts).
> > >> But I'm beginning to think that it should be 2 transactions: [a]
> > Checking
> > >> to Debit Card, [b]  Debit Card to Expense.
> > >> The 1st deposits into the debit card account, and the 2nd withdraws from
> > >> it.
> > >> Is that correct?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
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Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards

[David Carlson]

Just to make this thread more interesting, here in the United States it is
possible to purchase rechargeable 'gift cards' that can be used like credit
cards to pay for things, and recharged at a bank or currency exchange to be
used again.  I think these are used by people who do not want to have a
bank account, but need a way to pay with 'plastic'.  As in some other
countries, there are now retail businesses appearing that do not accept
cash.

I would liken such a card to be an asset,

David Carlson

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 8:57 AM Stephen M. Butler  wrote:

> Haim,
>
> I'm in the US and here the debit card directly debits the checking
> (asset) account.  From your description it appears that your debit card
> acts more like a credit card but with automatic payments from checking
> on some regular basis (perhaps daily).
>
> Can you download the transactions from the debit account?  In that case,
> I'd setup the debit account as a liability (just my preference -- might
> depend on how the bank uses the debit/credit columns in the download).
> This should catch both your charges and your payments .
>
> You would have one transaction per charge from debit to expenses.   Plus
> one transaction per payment from checking to debit.
>
> Depending on how you bank auto pays the debit card, that might end up
> being two transactions per use of the debit card.  However, I thought
> you mentioned that the bank sometimes combines multiple charges into a
> single payment.
>
> --Steve
>
>
> On 8/28/19 5:14 AM, Haim Roman wrote:
> > First of all, I want to thank everyone who has responded so far.  And
> those
> > might respond in the future.
> >
> > *Gary*, did you mean that each use of a debit card involves *two
> > *transactions?
> > 1st from checking/savings to debit card, and 2nd from debit card to
> > expense?
> >
> > ___
> > Howard (Haim) Roman -- haim.ro...@gmail.com -- 052-8-592-599 -- חיים
> רומן
> > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/haimroman
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 3:02 PM Gary Holtum <
> diamondhranc...@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> A debit card is an asset.
> >>
> >> You transfer $ from Checking or Savings to Debit card then to Expense
> acct.
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: gnucash-user [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+diamondhranchqh=
> >> earthlink@gnucash.org] On Behalf Of Haim Roman
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 5:05 AM
> >> To: Gnucash Users
> >> Subject: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards
> >>
> >> Hi.  I'm new to GnuCash and to bookkeeping/accounting in general.  I
> have 2
> >> questions about debit cards.
> >>
> >> (1) I made my debit card account a Liability account, as I did with my
> >> credit card accounts.  In the GnuCash archives, someone wrote a debit
> card
> >> should be an Access account.  Is that correct?
> >>
> >> (2) I envisioned debit card transactions as single transactions with 3
> >> stages:  Checking to Debit Card to Expense (yes, I have different
> expense
> >> accounts).
> >> But I'm beginning to think that it should be 2 transactions: [a]
> Checking
> >> to Debit Card, [b]  Debit Card to Expense.
> >> The 1st deposits into the debit card account, and the 2nd withdraws from
> >> it.
> >> Is that correct?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> ___
> >> Howard (Haim) Roman -- haim.ro...@gmail.com -- 052-8-592-599 -- חיים
> רומן
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Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards

[Robert Heller]

At Wed, 28 Aug 2019 15:39:43 +0300 Haim Roman  wrote:

> 
> Got it.  Seems obvious now ☺

If it is a straight checking account debit card AND you are not concerned 
about keeping separate track of checks, EFTs, and debit card use, you don't 
really need a separate GnuCash "account" for the debit card.  I put all of the 
checking account debit card uses in my checking account account, just without 
a check number.  Ditto for EFTs and other direct payments (eg online banking 
billpay or other sorts of transfers).  The only debit card I bother to have 
its own account for is my PayPal debit card, since it can hold a balance of 
its own.

> Thanks
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> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 3:27 PM Gary Holtum 
> wrote:
> 
> > First you need to fund the debit card. $ has to come from somewhere. Then
> > you use the debit card to purchase many different things.
> >
> >
> >
> > One transaction to fund card, then many transactions to expense acct’s
> > when you use it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Similar to what you do with a credit card. Use it many times then make one
> > payment.
> >
> >
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Haim Roman [mailto:haim.ro...@gmail.com]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2019 8:15 AM
> > *To:* Gary Holtum
> > *Cc:* Gnucash Users
> > *Subject:* Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards
> >
> >
> >
> > First of all, I want to thank everyone who has responded so far.  And
> > those might respond in the future.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Gary*, did you mean that each use of a debit card involves *two 
> > *transactions?
> > 1st from checking/savings to debit card, and 2nd from debit card to
> > expense?
> >
> >
> > ___
> > Howard (Haim) Roman -- haim.ro...@gmail.com -- 052-8-592-599 -- 
> > חיים רומן
> >
> > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/haimroman
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 3:02 PM Gary Holtum 
> > wrote:
> >
> > A debit card is an asset.
> >
> > You transfer $ from Checking or Savings to Debit card then to Expense acct.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: gnucash-user [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+diamondhranchqh=
> > earthlink@gnucash.org] On Behalf Of Haim Roman
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 5:05 AM
> > To: Gnucash Users
> > Subject: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards
> >
> > Hi.  I'm new to GnuCash and to bookkeeping/accounting in general.  I have 2
> > questions about debit cards.
> >
> > (1) I made my debit card account a Liability account, as I did with my
> > credit card accounts.  In the GnuCash archives, someone wrote a debit card
> > should be an Access account.  Is that correct?
> >
> > (2) I envisioned debit card transactions as single transactions with 3
> > stages:  Checking to Debit Card to Expense (yes, I have different expense
> > accounts).
> > But I'm beginning to think that it should be 2 transactions: [a] Checking
> > to Debit Card, [b]  Debit Card to Expense.
> > The 1st deposits into the debit card account, and the 2nd withdraws from
> > it.
> > Is that correct?
> >
> > Thanks
> > ___
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Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 8/28/2019 5:52 AM, Haim Roman wrote:

I get separate statements for the checking account & debit card.
On the checking account, it just notes that money was transferred to the
debit card.
It's the debit card statement that says to whom I paid.

In addition, sometimes the checking statment notes a *single *transfer to
the debit card that actually corresponds to *multiple *transactions on the
debit card statement.

I live in Israel.  Maybe debit cards work a bit differently in other
countries.


I have a sneaky suspicion that "debit cards" are different in different 
places.


THIS example seems very similar to "petty cash fund" except no need to 
prefund (gets refreshed as needed by a transfer from  the supporting 
account). If that refresh is always after, you COULD treat like a credit 
card that was never used to borrow money << ie: a "30 day net" account >>


BTW -- that IS how Penny and I use our credit cards and also the 
business credit cards of the orgs I keep books for. In other words, 
although on the books as a liability, the balance is always paid in 
full, no interest ever paid, no loan balances left outstanding << though 
of course could show that way at the end of a reporting period >>


As for where to put an Israeli "debit card", could do either as an asset 
or a liability << this is easier to see when you just think debits and 
credits>>I I would decide that by the DATES the bank uses for the 
"refresh" transfer transaction, is that before or after on the statement.


Michael D Novack
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Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards

[Haim Roman]

Got it.  Seems obvious now ☺
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 3:27 PM Gary Holtum 
wrote:

> First you need to fund the debit card. $ has to come from somewhere. Then
> you use the debit card to purchase many different things.
>
>
>
> One transaction to fund card, then many transactions to expense acct’s
> when you use it.
>
>
>
> Similar to what you do with a credit card. Use it many times then make one
> payment.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> *From:* Haim Roman [mailto:haim.ro...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2019 8:15 AM
> *To:* Gary Holtum
> *Cc:* Gnucash Users
> *Subject:* Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards
>
>
>
> First of all, I want to thank everyone who has responded so far.  And
> those might respond in the future.
>
>
>
> *Gary*, did you mean that each use of a debit card involves *two 
> *transactions?
> 1st from checking/savings to debit card, and 2nd from debit card to
> expense?
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 3:02 PM Gary Holtum 
> wrote:
>
> A debit card is an asset.
>
> You transfer $ from Checking or Savings to Debit card then to Expense acct.
>
> Gary
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gnucash-user [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+diamondhranchqh=
> earthlink@gnucash.org] On Behalf Of Haim Roman
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 5:05 AM
> To: Gnucash Users
> Subject: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards
>
> Hi.  I'm new to GnuCash and to bookkeeping/accounting in general.  I have 2
> questions about debit cards.
>
> (1) I made my debit card account a Liability account, as I did with my
> credit card accounts.  In the GnuCash archives, someone wrote a debit card
> should be an Access account.  Is that correct?
>
> (2) I envisioned debit card transactions as single transactions with 3
> stages:  Checking to Debit Card to Expense (yes, I have different expense
> accounts).
> But I'm beginning to think that it should be 2 transactions: [a] Checking
> to Debit Card, [b]  Debit Card to Expense.
> The 1st deposits into the debit card account, and the 2nd withdraws from
> it.
> Is that correct?
>
> Thanks
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Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards

[Gary Holtum]

First you need to fund the debit card. $ has to come from somewhere. Then you 
use the debit card to purchase many different things.

 

One transaction to fund card, then many transactions to expense acct’s when you 
use it.

 

Similar to what you do with a credit card. Use it many times then make one 
payment.

 

Gary 

 

From: Haim Roman [mailto:haim.ro...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 8:15 AM
To: Gary Holtum
Cc: Gnucash Users
Subject: Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards

 

First of all, I want to thank everyone who has responded so far.  And those 
might respond in the future.  

 

Gary, did you mean that each use of a debit card involves two transactions?  
1st from checking/savings to debit card, and 2nd from debit card to expense?  




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On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 3:02 PM Gary Holtum  
wrote:

A debit card is an asset.

You transfer $ from Checking or Savings to Debit card then to Expense acct.

Gary

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+diamondhranchqh 
 =earthlink@gnucash.org] On 
Behalf Of Haim Roman
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 5:05 AM
To: Gnucash Users
Subject: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards

Hi.  I'm new to GnuCash and to bookkeeping/accounting in general.  I have 2
questions about debit cards.

(1) I made my debit card account a Liability account, as I did with my
credit card accounts.  In the GnuCash archives, someone wrote a debit card
should be an Access account.  Is that correct?

(2) I envisioned debit card transactions as single transactions with 3
stages:  Checking to Debit Card to Expense (yes, I have different expense
accounts).
But I'm beginning to think that it should be 2 transactions: [a] Checking
to Debit Card, [b]  Debit Card to Expense.
The 1st deposits into the debit card account, and the 2nd withdraws from
it.
Is that correct?

Thanks
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Re: [GNC] [SPAM] Re: Decimal points messed up

[Axel Essbaum]

> 
> I see also that the new invoice layout is a bit problematic for me.  Where 
> before I had "CHF 390.00" I now have "SFr.390.00" (no space between currency 
> and value).  Also, the cells in the printed table have very little space to 
> the cell borders.  I'm wondering if it's worth the effort to dig through the 
> default invoice.scm to get the layout I want (like it used to be in 2.4) or 
> if I should just stay with 2.4.  Are there any particular gotchas with 
> running 2.4.11 with Mojave?


Don't suppose this is easy to work around?  (2.4.11 in Mojave)


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- Axel

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Re: [GNC] [SPAM] Re: Decimal points messed up

[Axel Essbaum]

>> 
>> Next issue.  In 2.4.11 I modified the Default Style Sheet to use a heading 
>> banner image.  How do I add this in 3.6?  I don’t find the setting when I 
>> edit a Style Sheet.
>> 
>> In 2.4.11 I also modified invoice.scm in 
>> /Applications/Gnucash/Contents/Resources/share/gnucash/guile-modules/gnucash/report/
>>  as follows (diff output):
>> 
>> $ diff invoice.scm invoice.scm~
>> 262c262
>> < "g" (N_ "Display the action?") #f))
>> ---
>>   "g" (N_ "Display the action?") #t))
>> 277c277
>> < "k" (N_ "Display the entry's discount") #f))
>> ---
>>   "k" (N_ "Display the entry's discount") #t))
>> 282c282
>> < "l" (N_ "Display the entry's taxable status") #f))
>> ---
>>   "l" (N_ "Display the entry's taxable status") #t))
>> 333,350c333
>> <  (_ "Please submit payment to the following account.
>> < Bitte zahlen Sie auf das folgende Konto.
>> < 
>> < Bank:
>> < 
>> < XXX
>> < XXX
>> < 
>> < Account:
>> < 
>> < CHXX   
>> < ")))
>> ---
>>(_ "Thank you for your patronage")))
>> 
>> What’s the best way to achieve the above invoice formatting and text changes 
>> in 3.6?
> 
> 
> The picture option has moved to the Layout tab, the Action, Discount, and 
> Taxable options are on the Display Columns tab, and the Payable To toggle and 
> string are on the Display tab of Report Options for the invoices. Set it up 
> and then save the configuration. Use Report>Saved Configurations to run it in 
> the future.
> 

Hi John,

In the past I never used the Report option to create a printable invoice.  
Rather, I edited the default Style Sheet and 
/Applications/Gnucash/Contents/Resources/share/gnucash/guile-modules/gnucash/report/invoice.scm
 such that all I had to do was click "Print Invoice" to get what I needed.  I 
think you are now suggesting I create a Report for each invoice I want to 
print, which is many more steps.

I see also that the new invoice layout is a bit problematic for me.  Where 
before I had "CHF 390.00" I now have "SFr.390.00" (no space between currency 
and value).  Also, the cells in the printed table have very little space to the 
cell borders.  I'm wondering if it's worth the effort to dig through the 
default invoice.scm to get the layout I want (like it used to be in 2.4) or if 
I should just stay with 2.4.  Are there any particular gotchas with running 
2.4.11 with Mojave?

Thanks,

- Axel


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Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards

[Haim Roman]

I get separate statements for the checking account & debit card.
On the checking account, it just notes that money was transferred to the
debit card.
It's the debit card statement that says to whom I paid.

In addition, sometimes the checking statment notes a *single *transfer to
the debit card that actually corresponds to *multiple *transactions on the
debit card statement.

I live in Israel.  Maybe debit cards work a bit differently in other
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:28 PM Colin Law  wrote:

> Is your debit card account a separate account at the bank, or is the
> card just a way of taking money out of the chequeing acct?
>
> Colin
>
> On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 at 09:58, Haim Roman  wrote:
> >
> > Hi.  I'm new to GnuCash and to bookkeeping/accounting in general.  I
> have 2
> > questions about debit cards.
> >
> > (1) I made my debit card account a Liability account, as I did with my
> > credit card accounts.  In the GnuCash archives, someone wrote a debit
> card
> > should be an Access account.  Is that correct?
> >
> > (2) I envisioned debit card transactions as single transactions with 3
> > stages:  Checking to Debit Card to Expense (yes, I have different expense
> > accounts).
> > But I'm beginning to think that it should be 2 transactions: [a] Checking
> > to Debit Card, [b]  Debit Card to Expense.
> > The 1st deposits into the debit card account, and the 2nd withdraws from
> > it.
> > Is that correct?
> >
> > Thanks
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Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards

[Colin Law]

Is your debit card account a separate account at the bank, or is the
card just a way of taking money out of the chequeing acct?

Colin

On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 at 09:58, Haim Roman  wrote:
>
> Hi.  I'm new to GnuCash and to bookkeeping/accounting in general.  I have 2
> questions about debit cards.
>
> (1) I made my debit card account a Liability account, as I did with my
> credit card accounts.  In the GnuCash archives, someone wrote a debit card
> should be an Access account.  Is that correct?
>
> (2) I envisioned debit card transactions as single transactions with 3
> stages:  Checking to Debit Card to Expense (yes, I have different expense
> accounts).
> But I'm beginning to think that it should be 2 transactions: [a] Checking
> to Debit Card, [b]  Debit Card to Expense.
> The 1st deposits into the debit card account, and the 2nd withdraws from
> it.
> Is that correct?
>
> Thanks
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Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards

[Michael Hendry]

> On 28 Aug 2019, at 10:05, Haim Roman  wrote:
> 
> Hi.  I'm new to GnuCash and to bookkeeping/accounting in general.  I have 2
> questions about debit cards.
> 
> (1) I made my debit card account a Liability account, as I did with my
> credit card accounts.  In the GnuCash archives, someone wrote a debit card
> should be an Access account.  Is that correct?
> 
> (2) I envisioned debit card transactions as single transactions with 3
> stages:  Checking to Debit Card to Expense (yes, I have different expense
> accounts).
> But I'm beginning to think that it should be 2 transactions: [a] Checking
> to Debit Card, [b]  Debit Card to Expense.
> The 1st deposits into the debit card account, and the 2nd withdraws from
> it.
> Is that correct?
> 
> Thanks
> ___


Welcome to the GnuCash Community!

I record debit card transactions in the same way as I record online or cheque 
(check) payments through my current (checking) account. There is no 
intermediate transaction, the way you have with a credit card.

Michael

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[GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards

[Haim Roman]

Hi.  I'm new to GnuCash and to bookkeeping/accounting in general.  I have 2
questions about debit cards.

(1) I made my debit card account a Liability account, as I did with my
credit card accounts.  In the GnuCash archives, someone wrote a debit card
should be an Access account.  Is that correct?

(2) I envisioned debit card transactions as single transactions with 3
stages:  Checking to Debit Card to Expense (yes, I have different expense
accounts).
But I'm beginning to think that it should be 2 transactions: [a] Checking
to Debit Card, [b]  Debit Card to Expense.
The 1st deposits into the debit card account, and the 2nd withdraws from
it.
Is that correct?

Thanks
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Re: [GNC] Bookkeeping for a club's charity account - use business features?

[Michael Hendry]

> On 27 Aug 2019, at 22:29, elvis  wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> 
>>> This is how I would do it. I'm assuming you have around 30 people to 
>>> account for.
>>> 
>>> Make up all your accounts and sub accounts and sub sub accounts and cross 
>>> accounts.
>>> 
>>> Have a transaction in each person's account with all the splits possible.
>>> 
>>> Each dinner copy the last transaction and alter the amounts. Maybe 20 
>>> seconds each so you are looking at about 15 minutes to update the whole.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm assuming your primary document is some kind of piece of paper your 
>>> members fill out. If you have a spreadsheet on entry you would just massage 
>>> it and import it.
>>> 
>>> By the time you much around with business features you might as well just 
>>> copy transactions.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lawrence
>> Thanks, Lawrence.
>> 
>> The difficulty this suggestion doesn’t solve is in generating a report 
>> listing Gift-Aid-eligible totals for each member - the identity of the 
>> contributing member in each income account tree is at the twig level:
>> 
>> Income:Destination1:MemberA
>> Income:Destination2:MemberA
>> Income:Destination3:MemberA
>> etc
>> fo
> 
> You would do a joint income account that goes to separate member balances 
> that can be split up as to purpose.

If I understand what you mean, doesn’t this just do the multiplication in a 
different order?

Income:MemberA:Destination1
Income:MemberA:Destination2
...
Income:MemberB:Destination1
Income:MemberB:Destination2

etc., which just shifts the awkward report from all contributions by MemberX to 
all receipts for Destination99.

> 
> The Gnucash reports are very flexible, the balance sheet should do that, it 
> isn't really income it is a member balance which is an asset. I do the same 
> thing for my super fund and it works a treat. I have used Gnucash for 12 
> years and I don't use the business features except for our big invoices, 
> maybe 5 a month. Everything else I use something else and just post totals. 
> Once you have clickey clacked 30 times to enter every invoice you will feel 
> like punching the screen .

Exactly! This is why I’m attracted to the idea of importing invoice 
transactions from a CSV file, which would be edited on a spreadsheet to deal 
with minor variations in attendance at each meeting.

Michael
 
> 
> 
> 
>> all need to be picked up and added together for each destination and each 
>> member.
>> 
>> The Customer-based model would ease that aspect.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be a way of creating regularly repeated 
>> invoices as Scheduled Transactions, but I’m currently thinking along the 
>> lines of creating an invoice for each member for the default amounts at the 
>> beginning of the year, and then duplicating these invoices, one for each 
>> member for each meeting. After each meeting, I would edit each invoice if 
>> necessary (to deal with absences and variations in contributions) then post 
>> and pay them.
>> 
>> This way the Destination accounts don’t need children and the annual Gift 
>> Aid Report can be populated from Customer Reports.
>> 
>> I’ll do some experiments…
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
 Thanks,
 
 Michael
 
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