[GNC] General accounting question about Assets = Liabilities + Equity

2020-01-14 Thread Brandon Captain
Hello,

I have a rather general accounting question in regards to the Assets =
Liabilities + Equity formula, and how it relates to the other GNUCash
default accounts like Income and expenses. Those accounts are neither
assets, liabilities, nor equity. So I'm not sure how to factor them in -
unless Income is an asset? Then why isn't it listed as a sub-account of
Assets?

Take the following accounts for example:

assets (debit) 209.01
income (credit) 22975.27
liabilities (credit) 1497.72
expenses (debit) 5445.24
equity (credit): -18818.74

(Equity breaks down as 3863.47 in contributions and -22682.21 in draws)

If you add all the debits together, it comes out to 5654.25. Likewise, if
you add all the credits together, you get the same figure of 5654.25 (which
as I understand means that it balances).

But assets = liabilities + equity would be ( 209.01 = 1497.72 + -18818.74 )
which just... doesn't work. Not without the other accounts in the figure,
and not without reversing the signs since 1497.72 is actually -1497.72 in
reality, and so forth.

I'd appreciate any explanation on this. I've Googled and researched a bit
but there's something I'm still not quite understanding.

Thank you
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[GNC] Scripted price editing and adding

2020-01-14 Thread Raymond Smith
Hi, Gnucash list.

I'm interested in using a script to add and edit prices in my Gnucash file.
For example, I'd like to
(a) loop over a file containing historical price data and add prices for
dates where the price is missing because I didn't do a quote retrieval in
Gnucash that day
(b) loop over the prices I have of one security and add prices for call
options using max(0, security price - strike price).
I would prefer working in Python if possible, and I'm looking for guidance
on the right approach.

I've seen there are some Python bindings and also the piecash library, but
it's not clear to me how well maintained or supported either is right now.
I found relatively little documentation on the Python bindings (
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Python_Bindings). Piecash looks very nice,
and I was able to set up a simple example where I added a price using it.
But, it currently has a very minor issue (
https://github.com/sdementen/piecash/issues/126) that prevented it from
running on my recent gnucash save files without a simple fix. Not a big
deal to do that, but I'd like to avoid tying myself to a library that
stalls while Gnucash and my save files continue to evolve.

Another option I've thought about is to parse xml files using something
like Python's xml library. That seems reasonably straightforward at first
glance, but perhaps there are some things I should be aware of that I'm
missing that would make this a bad idea? One question that has already come
up is how to manage guid's of the prices. Can they be any string of the
appropriate length as long as each is unique within the file? I tried a
super simple test file where I copied one  block and changed
the date, price, and guid, then re-opened the file, and it seemed to work,
but I'm not sure if that's dangerous.

Many thanks for any guidance or insights you may have.
Ray
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[GNC] storing password when using mysql backend

2020-01-14 Thread Fourhundred Thecat
Hello,

I am using Gnucash 3.4 with Mysql (MariaDB) backend.

Every time I start Gnucash, I have to type in the mysql password.

The way I see it, this seems more like a security theater than a real
security. Normally when Gnucash is using xml backend, files are stored
locally unencrypted. I see no reason why mysql backend should be any
different. Besides, security (encryption) should not be handles on
application level, but rather on System level (I have LUKS encrypted HDD)

Can I store the password locally? (in a config file, plaitext is fine).

Or, if this is not possible, where can I hard code it in the gnucash
sourcecode ?

I already had to compile Gnucash from source (even though there exists a
Debian package for my distribution), so recompiling again would not be
difficult.

I think I read somewhere that password can be stored in Gnome Keyring,
but I am not using Gnome Keyring.

thank you,




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Re: [GNC] Custom Gtk theme (was: Formatting the Register header?)

2020-01-14 Thread Adrien Monteleone
The problem could be the theme file(s). Have you tried more than one? From 
multiple sources?

I use GnuCash on Catalina daily. I’ll see about trying a theme test, but I 
probably can’t get to it right away.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 14, 2020 w3d14, at 8:30 PM, farleykj  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I've been through the Wiki a few times. Put the files every place it
> recommends, and to no avail. That's why I asked what someone's actual
> working configuration was. I guess there must be something botched up on my
> system. Oh well.
> 
> As for the other stuff, I thought I "replied all" on any responses I made
> before, but since I was at work I might have screwed up. Now I'm a mailing
> list criminal. Argh.
> 
> 
> 
> -
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Re: [GNC] Custom Gtk theme (was: Formatting the Register header?)

2020-01-14 Thread farleykj
Yes, I've been through the Wiki a few times. Put the files every place it
recommends, and to no avail. That's why I asked what someone's actual
working configuration was. I guess there must be something botched up on my
system. Oh well.

As for the other stuff, I thought I "replied all" on any responses I made
before, but since I was at work I might have screwed up. Now I'm a mailing
list criminal. Argh.



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Re: [GNC] AR problems

2020-01-14 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Oh, I get the markup formula, it was where GnuCash is supposed to get those 
numbers that was throwing me off.

Reading the manual a bit more seems to indicate this was designed to only be 
useful with the chargeback function, which is still confusing to me and I think 
is very limited to how it can be used. (confusing in that it never seems to 
work as I think it would, but it has been some time since I visited it) I think 
it is also tied to the ‘jobs’ feature, which is also very limited and misnamed. 
(I have a bug report on that one) ‘Jobs’ are really more like ‘purchase orders’ 
they are *not* really a way to aggregate expenses or revenues by what most 
people would consider as a ‘job’ or ‘project’.

The manual even notes that the report really relies on the user creating 
artificial account layers/hierarchy for this tracking and analysis purpose, 
something that would better be handled by some sort of category or tag/label 
method instead.

Indeed, running the report on my book assigns everything to “No Customer” which 
the manual notes is indicative of not having something set up properly with 
respect to chargebacks and special accounts.

I wonder if anyone is using this report (or the associated chargeback 
functions) and if so, how are they setup to utilize it properly? Such examples 
might be useful to generalize and add to the docs as the current state of the 
section leaves a new user a bit unsure exactly how to proceed.


Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 14, 2020 w3d14, at 5:04 PM, Christopher Lam 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 22:03, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> The Customer Overview *does* show a balance, though maybe not by default. 
> There is a down arrow with a drop-down menu to the far right of the header. 
> From there you can select visible columns, where you will find ‘balance’ as 
> an option.
> 
> The Customer Summary is not designed to show balances owed, but rather 
> profitability. However, it appears it doesn’t presently work properly. (and 
> some columns I can’t seem to figure out how to influence, that is, how does 
> the report calculate markup or expenses if those associated figures have no 
> place to be entered in the app?)
> 
> A customer's "markup" is defined by "profit / sales". Profit is defined by 
> "sales - expense".  Expenses are supposed to be retrieved by checking 
> Customer's Expenses; I can't find mechanism to assign expense-transactions to 
> a customer either. I think this report is an anachronism, reporting things 
> that may have been possible in a previous generation.


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Re: [GNC] AR problems

2020-01-14 Thread Christopher Lam
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 22:03, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> The Customer Overview *does* show a balance, though maybe not by default.
> There is a down arrow with a drop-down menu to the far right of the header.
> From there you can select visible columns, where you will find ‘balance’ as
> an option.
>
> The Customer Summary is not designed to show balances owed, but rather
> profitability. However, it appears it doesn’t presently work properly. (and
> some columns I can’t seem to figure out how to influence, that is, how does
> the report calculate markup or expenses if those associated figures have no
> place to be entered in the app?)
>

A customer's "markup" is defined by "profit / sales". Profit is defined by
"sales - expense".  Expenses are supposed to be retrieved by checking
Customer's Expenses; I can't find mechanism to assign expense-transactions
to a customer either. I think this report is an anachronism, reporting
things that may have been possible in a previous generation.
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Re: [GNC] AR problems

2020-01-14 Thread Colin Law
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 19:31, Bruce Irving via gnucash-user
 wrote:
>
> Win10, GC 3.8, SQLLiteI am very disappointed - to the extent that I'm angry!

Rather than ranting it might be more productive if you asked for help.
Explain exactly what result you want and someone may be able to point
you in the right direction.
Also remember that all those here are volunteers providing their time
to try to help others, so getting angry will not help.

Colin
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Re: [GNC] AR problems

2020-01-14 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Bruce,

I can appreciate frustrations, but toning down the exasperation and seeking 
help for specific issues will likely yield the results you’re looking for.

Also note, GnuCash is ‘free’ as in ‘free beer’, it isn’t a product you paid 
for. (and even those don’t guarantee any fit or usefulness for any particular 
purpose if you read their licenses)

GnuCash is also ‘free’ as in ‘freedom’ in that anyone can work on the project. 
You don’t have to be an employee of some closed development company to make it 
better or work the way you would like.

While many would interpret that last part to meaning, “You can code it” it also 
means you can contribute via this mailing list, through bug reports, and 
through testing changes and reporting their efficacy.

Just by asking a question on this list, many have contributed to all of us 
better understanding how the software works, and where it doesn’t, how maybe it 
can be made better.

Let’s take your issues one at a time. For clarity, I’m currently using v3.8 on 
MacOS 10.15 with the sqlite backend, and I use the business features daily. 
I’ve also used the XML backend in the past (on Linux) and I’ve been using 
GnuCash since the days of 2.6.early or so. (I don’t recall the exact version, 
but it was less than 2.6.teens) I’ve used it on Linux and now Mac, starting 
with Snow Leopard. I’ve never attempted any use of it on Windows.

Note, while there are some exceptions concerning data storage, the use of 
different backends should not affect functionality such as how reports work, 
what they display, or what they are intended to calculate and convey. My below 
suggestions apply to all 3 options— the default XML, sqlite, and MySQL, and 
should apply to all operating system platorms GnuCash can run on. (that is, 
there aren’t hobbled or more functional versions depending on your OS. All are 
supposed to work the same, but that doesn’t mean an OS specific bug might not 
result in something not quite right.)

For the first part:

> On Jan 14, 2020 w3d14, at 1:28 PM, Bruce Irving via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> Win10, GC 3.8, SQLLiteI am very disappointed - to the extent that I'm angry!  
> I have tried all the reports in Business and Experimental and I could find 
> none that give me a summary of my customers WITH a balance!  Neither Customer 
> Overview nor Customer Summary include the Balance and the Customer Report 
> won't show which invoices are paid!

The Receivables Aging Report shows all customers with a balance, as well as the 
aging breakdowns of those balances. By default, only customers with a balance 
are shown, but you can opt to show all customers if you like. Note, there are 
problems with the standard version of this report. The beta version in the 
experimental menu is better and will eventually be the standard. This is 
probably the report you are looking for.

The Customer Overview *does* show a balance, though maybe not by default. There 
is a down arrow with a drop-down menu to the far right of the header. From 
there you can select visible columns, where you will find ‘balance’ as an 
option.

The Customer Summary is not designed to show balances owed, but rather 
profitability. However, it appears it doesn’t presently work properly. (and 
some columns I can’t seem to figure out how to influence, that is, how does the 
report calculate markup or expenses if those associated figures have no place 
to be entered in the app?)

Seeing which invoices are paid is a little different, and arguably the UI could 
be better here.

First, the new beta Customer Report has the option to show you the linked 
‘documents’, that is, which payments apply to which invoices and do so in a 
simple or detailed fashion. Think of this report as a ’statement of account’ 
where you can show more or less detail as desired.

Second, the traditional and current official method for seeing which invoices 
are paid/unpaid is to run a Find for all invoices (or by customer). There you 
will see a Paid? checkbox column. You can’t mark them paid here, but you can 
see if they are paid or not. You can also filter your search by if they are 
paid or not, thus only giving you unpaid invoices, if you prefer. Sadly, this 
result is not exportable nor can you copy/paste it somewhere else for 
processing or tracking outside of GnuCash. (I’m pretty sure there is a bug 
filed on this)

Third, the Business > Customer > Invoices Due Reminder dialog will list all 
invoices that have not been paid in full, along with their remaining balances. 
I normally run GnuCash less than full width on a 1080p monitor and I have 
enough room on the side for this reminder list to always be visible. (as well 
as the AP equivalent, and my scheduled transaction up-next list)

There are lots of ways to see the info you want, right out of the box. There 
are others that might involve some creative searches and reporting based on the 
AP or other Registers as well, but the above methods are much easier to work 

Re: [GNC] Custom Gtk theme (was: Formatting the Register header?)

2020-01-14 Thread Geert Janssens
Please use reply-to-list or reply-to-all to keep the conversation on the list 
:) (and I'll do so myself in this resend :(  )

Further see my answer below.

Op dinsdag 14 januari 2020 21:46:48 CET schreef Malcolm Fitzgerald:
> > On 15/01/2020, at 6:34 AM, Geert Janssens 
> > wrote:> 
> > Op dinsdag 14 januari 2020 12:40:43 CET schreef Ken Farley:
> >> I don't really remember ALL the places I tried. Pretty much all the
> >> places recommended by the Wiki about this stuff for Gnucash. Some
> >> examples of other attempts:
> >> ~/Library/Application Support/config/themes
> >> ~/Library/Application Support/themes
> >> ~Library/Application Support/Gnucash/config/gtk-3.0/themes
> >> etc.
> >> 
> >> What I'm asking is: Applying a theme supposed to be as simple as
> >> putting a directory of theme data somewhere, then putting a
> >> settings.ini file somewhere else to tell GTK to use that theme. If you
> >> are running Gnucash on MacOS, what are those two locations? I just
> >> want an example of a setup that works.
> > 
> > I don't have a mac so I can only advise in theory.
> > 
> > I know the mac configuration is slightly different from the other
> > platforms. As far as I can tell you should install your themes in
> > ~/Library/Application Support/config/themes
> > 
> > And the settings.ini file in
> > ~Library/Application Support/Gnucash/config/gtk-3.0
> > 
> > As this involves two sets of files it's difficult to tell which part is
> > failing if it doesn't work.
> > 
> > So I would propose to first try and make the settings.ini work by
> > experimenting with some of the other aspects you can configure in there
> > and
> > see if these changes go through and only then try to make the theme work.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Geert
> 
> The file structure on my Mac running Gnucash 3.8 looks like this. There is
> no themes folder, nor is there anything in the config/gtk-3.0 folder.
> 
Installing themes is a manual process which includes creating the "themes" 
directory yourself :)

Same goes for the settings.ini file. It's not installed by default, you have 
to create it. I believe the wiki has a sample somewhere.

Regards,

Geert


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[GNC] AR problems

2020-01-14 Thread Bruce Irving via gnucash-user
Win10, GC 3.8, SQLLiteI am very disappointed - to the extent that I'm angry!  I 
have tried all the reports in Business and Experimental and I could find none 
that give me a summary of my customers WITH a balance!  Neither Customer 
Overview nor Customer Summary include the Balance and the Customer Report won't 
show which invoices are paid!
Also, I attempted to enter a Credit Memo and it would NOT allow me to designate 
Cash on Hand.  The message said something to the effect that the account must 
be in the same currency.  ALL of my accounts are USD!I finally exported the AR 
Register and massaged it in a spreadsheet - a rather cumbersome effort to get 
it massaged.

Bruce Preach the Gospel wherever you go.  If necessary, use words.
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Re: [GNC] Custom Gtk theme (was: Formatting the Register header?)

2020-01-14 Thread Geert Janssens
Op dinsdag 14 januari 2020 12:40:43 CET schreef Ken Farley:
> I don't really remember ALL the places I tried. Pretty much all the
> places recommended by the Wiki about this stuff for Gnucash. Some
> examples of other attempts:
> ~/Library/Application Support/config/themes
> ~/Library/Application Support/themes
> ~Library/Application Support/Gnucash/config/gtk-3.0/themes
> etc.
> 
> What I'm asking is: Applying a theme supposed to be as simple as
> putting a directory of theme data somewhere, then putting a
> settings.ini file somewhere else to tell GTK to use that theme. If you
> are running Gnucash on MacOS, what are those two locations? I just
> want an example of a setup that works.

I don't have a mac so I can only advise in theory.

I know the mac configuration is slightly different from the other platforms.
As far as I can tell you should install your themes in
~/Library/Application Support/config/themes

And the settings.ini file in
~Library/Application Support/Gnucash/config/gtk-3.0

As this involves two sets of files it's difficult to tell which part is 
failing if it doesn't work.

So I would propose to first try and make the settings.ini work by 
experimenting with some of the other aspects you can configure in there and 
see if these changes go through and only then try to make the theme work.

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] Custom Gtk theme (was: Formatting the Register header?)

2020-01-14 Thread Adrien Monteleone
There is a wiki page (part of the GTK customization flow) that describes all of 
the GnuCash file locations for each of Mac, Windows & Linux.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 14, 2020 w3d14, at 5:40 AM, Ken Farley  wrote:
> 
> I don't really remember ALL the places I tried. Pretty much all the
> places recommended by the Wiki about this stuff for Gnucash. Some
> examples of other attempts:
> ~/Library/Application Support/config/themes
> ~/Library/Application Support/themes
> ~Library/Application Support/Gnucash/config/gtk-3.0/themes
> etc.
> 
> What I'm asking is: Applying a theme supposed to be as simple as
> putting a directory of theme data somewhere, then putting a
> settings.ini file somewhere else to tell GTK to use that theme. If you
> are running Gnucash on MacOS, what are those two locations? I just
> want an example of a setup that works.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:01 AM Geert Janssens
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Op dinsdag 14 januari 2020 01:49:12 CET schreef farleykj:
>>> P.S. I cannot, no matter where I put the settings.ini or theme files, get
>>> any downloaded themes to do anything whatsoever to the GUI appearance. Has
>>> anyone running on a Mac had any luck with this, and if so, where do you put
>>> your settings and stuff?
>> Can you be more specific about what exactly you tried ? Where did you put the
>> settings.ini file and where did you store your themes ?
>> 
>> Geert
>> 


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Re: [GNC] Formatting the Register header?

2020-01-14 Thread Adrien Monteleone
To answer the first part, no, you cannot style the header bar as far as I can 
tell.

You can affect register transactions with fonts and colors only as noted in the 
wiki and the sample css files. But I don’t see any id’s or classes exposed in 
the inspector to target the header by itself. (there is a header color you can 
set, but that is all)

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 13, 2020 w3d13, at 6:49 PM, farleykj  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> I've been whacking away at a bit of GTK3 css formatting to make things a bit
> more stylish for me.
> Gnucash 3.8, MacOS 10.12.6
> The question I have is: Can I do any formatting or other modifications to
> the header bar entries in the register? I'd like to be able to do the
> following items:
> (1) Make some of the smaller things like the Date be centered as opposed to
> right justified.
> (2) Make the header text bold.
> (3) Get rid of the "Tot " prefix on Deposit and Withdrawal, mostly because
> what I actually get is "ot Withdrawal"
> 
> Are any of these wishes possible? I've been trying to dig through the source
> code for some insights, but it's not working so well.
> 
> P.S. I cannot, no matter where I put the settings.ini or theme files, get
> any downloaded themes to do anything whatsoever to the GUI appearance. Has
> anyone running on a Mac had any luck with this, and if so, where do you put
> your settings and stuff?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] How to set up a pledge payment

2020-01-14 Thread Michael or Penny Novack

On 1/13/2020 3:13 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

You can create it as a liability account but just know that it isn’t a legal 
one. You’ll also want to make sure in any official reports you create, that you 
do not include it since it is just a pledge.

May depend on your jurisdiction, but just as pledges are "receivables" 
for the charity they are "liabilities" for the donor << those two going 
together >>


The reason not so obvious is that it is rare for a charity, etc. to take 
action to collect on an unfulfilled pledge. Rare exceptions would be 
very large amounts and the estate of the donor << example, the donor 
pledged 10 million to his or her uni but died before fulfilling the 
pledge and the executor of the estate not doing so in spite of will 
clauses about "just debts, unfulfilled pledges, etc."


The complications would  be when the pledge is over some long period of 
time. Thus a pledge "1000/year for the next five years" does not make 
$5000 immediately receivable for the organization nor $5000 immediately 
owed by the donor. But within a year probably best considered immediate.


It's not just for donors that pledge accounting is deficient -- software 
for non-profits tends to also lack necessary features.


Michael D Novack

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Re: [GNC] Custom Gtk theme (was: Formatting the Register header?)

2020-01-14 Thread Ken Farley
I don't really remember ALL the places I tried. Pretty much all the
places recommended by the Wiki about this stuff for Gnucash. Some
examples of other attempts:
~/Library/Application Support/config/themes
~/Library/Application Support/themes
~Library/Application Support/Gnucash/config/gtk-3.0/themes
etc.

What I'm asking is: Applying a theme supposed to be as simple as
putting a directory of theme data somewhere, then putting a
settings.ini file somewhere else to tell GTK to use that theme. If you
are running Gnucash on MacOS, what are those two locations? I just
want an example of a setup that works.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:01 AM Geert Janssens
 wrote:
>
> Op dinsdag 14 januari 2020 01:49:12 CET schreef farleykj:
> > P.S. I cannot, no matter where I put the settings.ini or theme files, get
> > any downloaded themes to do anything whatsoever to the GUI appearance. Has
> > anyone running on a Mac had any luck with this, and if so, where do you put
> > your settings and stuff?
> Can you be more specific about what exactly you tried ? Where did you put the
> settings.ini file and where did you store your themes ?
>
> Geert
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Custom Gtk theme (was: Formatting the Register header?)

2020-01-14 Thread Geert Janssens
Op dinsdag 14 januari 2020 01:49:12 CET schreef farleykj:
> P.S. I cannot, no matter where I put the settings.ini or theme files, get
> any downloaded themes to do anything whatsoever to the GUI appearance. Has
> anyone running on a Mac had any luck with this, and if so, where do you put
> your settings and stuff?
Can you be more specific about what exactly you tried ? Where did you put the 
settings.ini file and where did you store your themes ?

Geert


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