Re: [GNC] Be careful with `petty cash' (was: 'sub-transactions')
I've seen suggestions in accounting texts (and use myself) an account called 'Undeposited Funds' as a Current Asset. Checks and currency destined to the bank (but not there yet) are recorded here when received. Regards, Adrien On 9/8/20 4:58 PM, Max Hyre wrote: Be careful with the `petty cash' account. It has a specific meaning in bookkeeping: it's a set amount you keep on hand for when someone needs to buy copier paper, or pens, or whatnot, and doesn't want to bother with a check or credit card. When it gets low, you top it off to the set amount and continue. Get the receipts to check against the account. For the above suggestion, I think what you need is a ``miscellaneous cash'' account, or a ``cash in second left-hand drawer'' whose only purpose it to go into the bank. You can then log the two different cash receipts as transfers from Income:Offertory —> 2d drawer and Income:Collection —> 2d drawer. These will be dated for the Sunday the cash was received. At some future date, you’ll transfer the whole (or part) of the 2d drawer Cash into the bank account with a single pay-in slip: Asssets:Current Assets:2d drawer —> Assets:Current Assets:Your Bank. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Help - entering opening balances
On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:24:35 -0400 "Derek Atkins" wrote: > On Tue, September 8, 2020 10:15 am, Chris Green wrote: > >> > > Yes, thanks, I seem to have got there now. > > > > However I still think the help system was a bit rubbish! :-) > > You are absolutely encouraged to help improve it!!! :-) > You are only once in this situation, and then you forget how you found the information, because you only need it once. Write your notes now about the help you needed, and one of the editors will assist getting the help updated. Perhaps it needs something for first-time users only. (Because I'm an 'old' user I don't look at the help at all, but we do have two or three who are working on it) ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Be careful with `petty cash' (was: 'sub-transactions')
Dear Chris: >> Some items need to be shown or accessible for statistics, for grant >> applications or for statutory reporting. There could be any number of >> reasons behind "we've always done it that way" :-). > > Yes, I will be asking at the next PCC meeting and will keep the > separation until then at least. > I would suggest you create an account for cash in hand, such as > Assets:Current Assets:Petty Cash. Be careful with the `petty cash' account. It has a specific meaning in bookkeeping: it's a set amount you keep on hand for when someone needs to buy copier paper, or pens, or whatnot, and doesn't want to bother with a check or credit card. When it gets low, you top it off to the set amount and continue. Get the receipts to check against the account. For the above suggestion, I think what you need is a ``miscellaneous cash'' account, or a ``cash in second left-hand drawer'' whose only purpose it to go into the bank. > You can then log the two different cash receipts as transfers from Income:Offertory —> 2d drawer and Income:Collection —> 2d drawer. > These will be dated for the Sunday the cash was received. > At some future date, you’ll transfer the whole (or part) of the 2d drawer Cash into the bank account with a single pay-in slip: Asssets:Current Assets:2d drawer —> Assets:Current Assets:Your Bank. Best wishes, Max ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Is there an 'easy' way to have a transaction with 'sub-transactions' as it were?
Yes, View > Transaction Journal Now all transactions in that register will always show all splits. It is not only helpful when learning GnuCash, but I use it exclusively because I don't want to have to click each transaction to see the splits. Less clicking, more visual inspection. The layout is also, to me, less cluttered looking, even though more info is on the screen. The 'Auto Split' view only shows them when it is selected, but saves you having to click to see the splits explicitly like in Basic view. Also consider View > Double Line which will add make the Notes field visible. I like to use Notes for comments about the entire transaction and Memos where info is specific just to that split line. Regards, Adrien On 9/8/20 10:41 AM, Chris Green wrote: Isn't there a way to display the split other than when it's selected for editing? I think I may be misunderstanding quite how this works! :-) ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Is there an 'easy' way to have a transaction with 'sub-transactions' as it were?
> On 8 Sep 2020, at 16:42, Chris Green wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 09, 2020 at 01:15:00AM +1000, John Angelico wrote: >> Chris, I would also recommend asking why the amounts are separated, because >> there may be a reason for reporting the income lines separately. Then if >> the reason no longer applies you may ask what reporting is now required. >> >> Some items need to be shown or accessible for statistics, for grant >> applications or for statutory reporting. There could be any number of >> reasons behind "we've always done it that way" :-). > > Yes, I will be asking at the next PCC meeting and will keep the > separation until then at least. I would suggest you create an account for cash in hand, such as Assets:Current Assets:Petty Cash. You can then log the two different cash receipts as transfers from Income:Offertory —> Petty Cash and Income:Collection —> Petty Cash. These will be dated for the Sunday the cash was received. At some future date, you’ll transfer the whole (or part) of the Petty Cash into the bank account with a single pay-in slip: Asssets:Current Assets:Petty Cash —> Assets:Current Assets:Your Bank. It’s becoming increasingly awkward to pay coin in to banks as branches close, and I’d be inclined to accumulate a larger sum before paying it in. Even if you don’t see the point of recording the sources of the cash separately, remember that it’ll be a lot easier to merge the two accounts when you find one will do than to split them up when you’ve been recording them as a single source. You may not discover until the end-of-year that no-one at the PCC knew what was actually needed! Regards, Michael ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Help - entering opening balances
On 9/8/2020 8:52 AM, Chris Green wrote: I am at the stage of lots of rude words at the moment! :-) I am just starting to try and set up GnuCash for the PCC accounts and I've fallen at the first hurdle. I can't work out how to enter opening balances for the two accounts we have - a current account and a savings account (which is basically the building fund). ONE solution, if you are familiar with bookkeeping the old fashioned way, pen and ink on paper, but can't figure out how to use the opening wizard, is to do it the same way you would in the old days. Just create the CoA with nothing in any of the accounts and then hand create the opening transaction(s). Of course can be with one transaction, but that's be a giant split on both sides. So I would do it with two transactions, one for all the debit balance accounts and one for all the credit balance accounts. Then just split one side << the other side in both cases is of course "equity". Michael ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Is there an 'easy' way to have a transaction with 'sub-transactions' as it were?
On Wed, Sep 09, 2020 at 01:15:00AM +1000, John Angelico wrote: > Chris, I would also recommend asking why the amounts are separated, because > there may be a reason for reporting the income lines separately. Then if > the reason no longer applies you may ask what reporting is now required. > > Some items need to be shown or accessible for statistics, for grant > applications or for statutory reporting. There could be any number of > reasons behind "we've always done it that way" :-). Yes, I will be asking at the next PCC meeting and will keep the separation until then at least. -- Chris Green ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Is there an 'easy' way to have a transaction with 'sub-transactions' as it were?
On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 03:41:54PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 10:35:28AM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, September 8, 2020 10:29 am, Chris Green wrote: > > > I'm feeling my way with these PCC accounts but I do feel as if GnuCash > > > will do quite well for me. > > > > > > Anyway, next silly question, two of our income streams are > > > 'Collections in services' and 'Offertory Box'. These are (currently) > > > recorded separately in the accounts but get paid into the bank > > > together. So, for example, I have for one Sunday in January a > > > collection of £48.00 and £10.50 in the offertory box which get paid > > > into the bank on a single paying in slip of £58.50. > > > > > > Is there a way of recording the amounts as two income entries but as > > > only one bank account credit? > > > > Sure. Create a single split transaction. > > > > Start from your Bank account and create a deposit for the total, 58.50. > > Then click the Split button to expand it out and then you can enter (in > > the withdrawal column) the two splits. One for Income:Collection for 48, > > and one for Income:Offertory for 10.50. > > > Excellent, exactly what I was after, thanks Derek. > But I don't really see how it helps me much. I can do the first bit, go to the bank account and enter a deposit of £58.50, so far so good. Hit the Split button and what happens is that the single 'new entry' line I had before splits into three, one yellow and two beige, and nothing seems to make much sense. The 58.50 is copied down into the deposit column of the first beige line, and to the withdrawal column of the second beige line. I've sort of filled things in and the totals are correct but I'm no better off looking in the accounts. In 'Offertory' for example I just see the description of the *Bank* transaction and under Transaction it says 'split'. If I click the 'Split' button then it expands to five lines which are sort of correct but waste a lot of space. Is it really meant to end up like this, needing 5 lines to show what would fit on three? I.e. when you select the transaction and hit the 'Split' button:- The 'parent' line as it were, with the 'Bank Account' transaction description A line showing the total amount of the deposit to the bank A line showing the collection A line showing the offertory box A blank line for adding further parts Isn't there a way to display the split other than when it's selected for editing? I think I may be misunderstanding quite how this works! :-) -- Chris Green ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Installing GnuCash 4.1 There is no Disk - Insert a Disk on Windows 7 x64
This has come up before. As I understand it, this is a problem with Windows and some applications. Past threads on this suggested a registry edit, among other solutions. I'll note that Windows 7 is no longer actively supported, which means that it might not be the best choice at this time to put your financial information on... Original Message From: Enrique Garza Sent: Tue Sep 08 09:04:44 EDT 2020 To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] Installing GnuCash 4.1 There is no Disk - Insert a Disk on Windows 7 x64 GnuCash I have installed the GnuCash 4.1 software in a Windows 7 x64 Professional. After the installation the program try to access to different Disk Drives with an error message: There is no Disk in the Drive - Insert a Disk. At the moment, when I start the program such error messages have disapears, but I don´t know if this issue can happen again. I have to run the install as Administrator? Has the program some issue? Thanks ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Is there an 'easy' way to have a transaction with 'sub-transactions' as it were?
Chris, I would also recommend asking why the amounts are separated, because there may be a reason for reporting the income lines separately. Then if the reason no longer applies you may ask what reporting is now required. Some items need to be shown or accessible for statistics, for grant applications or for statutory reporting. There could be any number of reasons behind "we've always done it that way" :-). Christian regards John Angelico Melbourne Australia On Wed., 9 Sep. 2020, 00:47 Chris Green, wrote: > On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 10:35:28AM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, September 8, 2020 10:29 am, Chris Green wrote: > > > I'm feeling my way with these PCC accounts but I do feel as if GnuCash > > > will do quite well for me. > > > > > > Anyway, next silly question, two of our income streams are > > > 'Collections in services' and 'Offertory Box'. These are (currently) > > > recorded separately in the accounts but get paid into the bank > > > together. So, for example, I have for one Sunday in January a > > > collection of £48.00 and £10.50 in the offertory box which get paid > > > into the bank on a single paying in slip of £58.50. > > > > > > Is there a way of recording the amounts as two income entries but as > > > only one bank account credit? > > > > Sure. Create a single split transaction. > > > > Start from your Bank account and create a deposit for the total, 58.50. > > Then click the Split button to expand it out and then you can enter (in > > the withdrawal column) the two splits. One for Income:Collection for 48, > > and one for Income:Offertory for 10.50. > > > Excellent, exactly what I was after, thanks Derek. > > > > > Obviously I could simply record two transactions with the same paying > > > in slip reference number, not that onerous, I was just hoping there > > > might be an easier/better way. > > > > Well, your other option is to use a Suspense account. This would involve > > three total transactions: > > > > Income:Collection -> Suspense > > Income:Offertory -> Suspense > > Suspense -> Bank > > > I think that's definitely overkill! :-) > > -- > Chris Green > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Is there an 'easy' way to have a transaction with 'sub-transactions' as it were?
On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 10:35:28AM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, September 8, 2020 10:29 am, Chris Green wrote: > > I'm feeling my way with these PCC accounts but I do feel as if GnuCash > > will do quite well for me. > > > > Anyway, next silly question, two of our income streams are > > 'Collections in services' and 'Offertory Box'. These are (currently) > > recorded separately in the accounts but get paid into the bank > > together. So, for example, I have for one Sunday in January a > > collection of £48.00 and £10.50 in the offertory box which get paid > > into the bank on a single paying in slip of £58.50. > > > > Is there a way of recording the amounts as two income entries but as > > only one bank account credit? > > Sure. Create a single split transaction. > > Start from your Bank account and create a deposit for the total, 58.50. > Then click the Split button to expand it out and then you can enter (in > the withdrawal column) the two splits. One for Income:Collection for 48, > and one for Income:Offertory for 10.50. > Excellent, exactly what I was after, thanks Derek. > > Obviously I could simply record two transactions with the same paying > > in slip reference number, not that onerous, I was just hoping there > > might be an easier/better way. > > Well, your other option is to use a Suspense account. This would involve > three total transactions: > > Income:Collection -> Suspense > Income:Offertory -> Suspense > Suspense -> Bank > I think that's definitely overkill! :-) -- Chris Green ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Import transactions with expenses in a different currency
In the latest version of gnucash (4.1-2 from flathub) I noticed that, when importing transactions in .ofx/.csv into a GBP-denominated bank account, and matching them to expense accounts in EUR, I get the following error message: The account 'Electronics' has a different commodity from the one required, Pound Sterling. Please choose a different account. Now, I haven't seen that error message before, when importing my transactions, so I'm assuming this behaviour changed recently. However, I also realised that, for all the transactions like this that I imported in the past (when that message didn't appear), that the exchange rate used was always 1GBP => 1EUR! This is also not good for me. So I have two questions: * How do I import transactions where the debits and credits are in different currencies (in this example, I have a debit from a GBP bank account and a credit to an EUR expense account)? This should ideally use the correct exchange rate from the price database. * How do I fix the exchange rates for the previous transactions, without going manually through _thousands_ of transactions and going `right-click > edit exchange rate > paste > OK`? I have the correct historical exchange rates, for the period where the transactions took place, entered in the price database, so I'd like to use the "most-recent-at-transaction-date" exchange rate. I don't see how I can do this for all transactions, and doing so manually for 2 years worth of transactions would take upwards of 8 or 9 hours I reckon. Perhaps a python script could do it (or even edit the xml directly, I don't know)? Thanks for the help. -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Is there an 'easy' way to have a transaction with 'sub-transactions' as it were?
Hi, On Tue, September 8, 2020 10:29 am, Chris Green wrote: > I'm feeling my way with these PCC accounts but I do feel as if GnuCash > will do quite well for me. > > Anyway, next silly question, two of our income streams are > 'Collections in services' and 'Offertory Box'. These are (currently) > recorded separately in the accounts but get paid into the bank > together. So, for example, I have for one Sunday in January a > collection of £48.00 and £10.50 in the offertory box which get paid > into the bank on a single paying in slip of £58.50. > > Is there a way of recording the amounts as two income entries but as > only one bank account credit? Sure. Create a single split transaction. Start from your Bank account and create a deposit for the total, 58.50. Then click the Split button to expand it out and then you can enter (in the withdrawal column) the two splits. One for Income:Collection for 48, and one for Income:Offertory for 10.50. > Obviously I could simply record two transactions with the same paying > in slip reference number, not that onerous, I was just hoping there > might be an easier/better way. Well, your other option is to use a Suspense account. This would involve three total transactions: Income:Collection -> Suspense Income:Offertory -> Suspense Suspense -> Bank > In the long run it may well be that they're only recoroded separately > because "it was always done that way" but I don't want to rock the > boat too much! :-) That's an option, too. And when you reconcile the bank account at the end of the month you can "combine" them then. For what it's worth I often have the oppose problem. I place an order for multiple items from Amazon for $100 and THEY split it up into multiple changes which I have to reconcile together. > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Is there an 'easy' way to have a transaction with 'sub-transactions' as it were?
I'm feeling my way with these PCC accounts but I do feel as if GnuCash will do quite well for me. Anyway, next silly question, two of our income streams are 'Collections in services' and 'Offertory Box'. These are (currently) recorded separately in the accounts but get paid into the bank together. So, for example, I have for one Sunday in January a collection of £48.00 and £10.50 in the offertory box which get paid into the bank on a single paying in slip of £58.50. Is there a way of recording the amounts as two income entries but as only one bank account credit? Obviously I could simply record two transactions with the same paying in slip reference number, not that onerous, I was just hoping there might be an easier/better way. In the long run it may well be that they're only recoroded separately because "it was always done that way" but I don't want to rock the boat too much! :-) -- Chris Green ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Help - entering opening balances
On Tue, September 8, 2020 10:15 am, Chris Green wrote: >> > Yes, thanks, I seem to have got there now. > > However I still think the help system was a bit rubbish! :-) You are absolutely encouraged to help improve it!!! :-) > Chris Green > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Help - entering opening balances
On Tue, September 8, 2020 10:13 am, Chris Green wrote: > On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 11:01:29PM +1000, Peter West wrote: >>Hi Chris, >> >>Don’t create accounts under Equity. Create your savings and current >>account under Assets. Then enter your opening balances as Stan Brown >>describes. >> > But GnuCash actually has an 'Opening Balances' placeholder in Equity, > isn't that where your opening balance credits to the bank accounts > come from? Yes, but not as sub-accounts. I.e., don't create E:O-B:Bank1, E-O-B:Bank2, etc. Just create a transaction from E:O-B -> Assets:Bank1 and E:O-B -> Assets:Bank2. > Chris Green > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Help - entering opening balances
On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 09:05:46AM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, September 8, 2020 8:52 am, Chris Green wrote: > > I am at the stage of lots of rude words at the moment! :-) > > > > I am just starting to try and set up GnuCash for the PCC accounts and > > I've fallen at the first hurdle. I can't work out how to enter > > opening balances for the two accounts we have - a current account and > > a savings account (which is basically the building fund). > [snip] > > So, ignoring the help system, how do I enter an Opening Balance? > > There's a section in accounts under 'Equity' for opening balances and > > I tried creating two accounts under that and entering balances but the > > result made no sense at all to me. Having entered an opening balance > > I'd expect the balance sheet to show me that amount but GnuCash just > > did a decrease and a balancing increase in the Equity account which > > doesn't really make much sense. > > An O-B transaction is nothing special, it's just a regular double-entry > transaction between the account in question and the Equity:Opening > Balances account. You can create an O-B when you create an account, or, > after the account is created, you can just manually create the O-B > transaction. > > So for example if you start with $100 in your Bank, the O-B would be a > transaction that Debit's Bank $100 (putting the $100 into it) and credits > E:O-B. > > There's nothing special about it. > Yes, thanks, I seem to have got there now. However I still think the help system was a bit rubbish! :-) -- Chris Green ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Help - entering opening balances
On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 11:01:29PM +1000, Peter West wrote: >Hi Chris, > >Don’t create accounts under Equity. Create your savings and current >account under Assets. Then enter your opening balances as Stan Brown >describes. > But GnuCash actually has an 'Opening Balances' placeholder in Equity, isn't that where your opening balance credits to the bank accounts come from? -- Chris Green ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Help - entering opening balances
On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 05:57:27AM -0700, Stan Brown wrote: > > On 2020-09-08 05:52, Chris Green wrote: > > ... I can't work out how to enter > > opening balances for the two accounts we have - a current account and > > a savings account (which is basically the building fund). ... > > > > So, ignoring the help system, how do I enter an Opening Balance? > > There's a section in accounts under 'Equity' for opening balances and > > You can enter an opening balance in the dialog when you create a new > account. > > If the account is already created, you can give it an opening balance by > creating a transaction. > > Debit:Assets:Bank Account > Credit:Equity > OK, yes, thanks. > > I tried creating two accounts under that and entering balances but the > > result made no sense at all to me. Having entered an opening balance > > I'd expect the balance sheet to show me that amount but GnuCash just > > did a decrease and a balancing increase in the Equity account which > > doesn't really make much sense. > > I don't understand. What transactions, exactly, were created by you and > by GC? > It's OK, I've sorted that out, just part of the initial learning curve! -- Chris Green ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Gnc 4.1 Make Fail - MX-LINUX (Debian Buster)
I'm been playing with MX-LINUX (Debian Buster Based) because it has a splendid live USB system. Thanks to John's comments I've learned about holding (and a little about pinning) a package. I did a new install. But this time installed the version 63 icu-devtools and libicu-dev packages, "held" them with Apt, and succeeded with the build. So far it seems to be working. I will look into Debian Bullseye. I started learning with Linux Mint, but now looking for something a little more technical. Thanks all for the comments, and especially to the Devs. On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Andrew Clark wrote: > I'd guess from the subject they're running Debian Buster (10), which > unfortunately I don't have installed anywhere useful at the moment. > > I'm running Debian Bullseye (11) and did not have any issues building 4.1 > from source, so perhaps upgrading to that is an option? > > On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 04:10, John Ralls wrote: > >> Please remember to copy the list on all replies. >> >> If you don't know about pinning you didn't do it, and I suppose you >> didn't build boost yourself either. That suggests that the issue is with >> your distro, so go to their support channel and raise the issue with them. >> >> You haven't said what distro you're using so we can't really help you >> with the details of rolling back ICU to version 63; another reason for >> ensuring that you copy the list is that there are others there who know >> more than I do about the details of managing any of them. >> >> Regards, >> John Ralls >> >> > On Sep 4, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Mike Commissaris < >> commissaris.m...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Thanks John >> > I am quite new to linux but have a feel for what you are saying. I saw >> hints of this conflict while working on this the last couple of days. ICU >> and boost are new unexplored areas. Is there a workaround for this? Can you >> point me to info for pinning to ICU63? >> > Thank you so much. >> > >> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 8:55 PM John Ralls wrote: >> > >> > >> > > On Sep 3, 2020, at 7:45 PM, Mike Commissaris < >> commissaris.m...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > Trying to build 4.1 but cannot finish. Hope someone can help. All >> > > dependencies seem to be met. Hope someone can help. >> > >> > [SNIP] >> > >> > > >> > > gnucash/CMakeFiles/gnucash.dir/gnucash-gresources.c.o >> > > [ 72%] Linking CXX executable ../bin/gnucash >> > > /usr/bin/ld: warning: libicudata.so.63, needed by >> > > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_regex.so, may conflict with >> > > libicudata.so.67 >> > > /usr/bin/ld: warning: libicui18n.so.63, needed by >> > > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_regex.so, may conflict with >> > > libicui18n.so.67 >> > > /usr/bin/ld: warning: libicuuc.so.63, needed by >> > > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_regex.so, may conflict with >> > > libicuuc.so.67 >> > > /usr/bin/ld: ../lib/gnucash/libgnc-csv-import.so: undefined reference >> to >> > > >> `boost::re_detail_106700::icu_regex_traits_implementation::do_transform(int >> > > const*, int const*, icu_67::Collator const*) const' >> > > collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status >> > > make[2]: *** [gnucash/CMakeFiles/gnucash.dir/build.make:183: >> bin/gnucash] >> > > Error 1 >> > > make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:6942: >> > > gnucash/CMakeFiles/gnucash.dir/all] Error 2 >> > > make: *** [Makefile:163: all] Error 2 >> > > >> > >> > ICU versions their libraries so that if you've compiled something with >> ICUX you can't later link it with ICUY. If you built Boost yourself you >> just need to clean and rebuild it so that it links with the new version of >> ICU. If not first make sure that you didn't pin the boost version; if you >> did either remove the pin or roll ICU back to ICU63 and pin it too. If not >> then the Boost packager for your distro needs a kick to get a recompiled >> package linked with the right ICU version. >> > >> > Regards, >> > John Ralls >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mike >> >> ___ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> - >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > > > -- > Cheers, > > Andrew. > -- Mike ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Help - entering opening balances
Hi, On Tue, September 8, 2020 8:52 am, Chris Green wrote: > I am at the stage of lots of rude words at the moment! :-) > > I am just starting to try and set up GnuCash for the PCC accounts and > I've fallen at the first hurdle. I can't work out how to enter > opening balances for the two accounts we have - a current account and > a savings account (which is basically the building fund). [snip] > So, ignoring the help system, how do I enter an Opening Balance? > There's a section in accounts under 'Equity' for opening balances and > I tried creating two accounts under that and entering balances but the > result made no sense at all to me. Having entered an opening balance > I'd expect the balance sheet to show me that amount but GnuCash just > did a decrease and a balancing increase in the Equity account which > doesn't really make much sense. An O-B transaction is nothing special, it's just a regular double-entry transaction between the account in question and the Equity:Opening Balances account. You can create an O-B when you create an account, or, after the account is created, you can just manually create the O-B transaction. So for example if you start with $100 in your Bank, the O-B would be a transaction that Debit's Bank $100 (putting the $100 into it) and credits E:O-B. There's nothing special about it. Happy Gnucashing, > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Installing GnuCash 4.1 There is no Disk - Insert a Disk on Windows 7 x64
GnuCash I have installed the GnuCash 4.1 software in a Windows 7 x64 Professional. After the installation the program try to access to different Disk Drives with an error message: There is no Disk in the Drive - Insert a Disk. At the moment, when I start the program such error messages have disapears, but I don´t know if this issue can happen again. I have to run the install as Administrator? Has the program some issue? Thanks ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Help - entering opening balances
I should add, that the transactions will be, e.g., Debit:Assets:Savings$ Credit:Equity:Opening Balances $ Peter -- Peter West p...@pbw.id.au “Stretch out your hand.” And he did so, and his hand was restored. But they were filled with fury… > On 8 Sep 2020, at 11:01 pm, Peter West wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > Don’t create accounts under Equity. Create your savings and current account > under Assets. Then enter your opening balances as Stan Brown describes. > > Peter > -- > Peter West > p...@pbw.id.au > “Stretch out your hand.” And he did so, and his hand was restored. But they > were filled with fury… > >> On 8 Sep 2020, at 10:52 pm, Chris Green wrote: >> >> I am at the stage of lots of rude words at the moment! :-) >> >> I am just starting to try and set up GnuCash for the PCC accounts and >> I've fallen at the first hurdle. I can't work out how to enter >> opening balances for the two accounts we have - a current account and >> a savings account (which is basically the building fund). >> >> I have to say at present the help system is worse than useless, maybe >> I'll get used to it later but it really doesn't help at all at this >> beginner level. >> >> A search for 'opening balance' in the Tutorial and Concepts Guide >> always takes me back to the top level whereas I want to search within >> a section. HOw do I search for 'opening balance' in the Managing >> Business Finances section? >> >> So, ignoring the help system, how do I enter an Opening Balance? >> There's a section in accounts under 'Equity' for opening balances and >> I tried creating two accounts under that and entering balances but the >> result made no sense at all to me. Having entered an opening balance >> I'd expect the balance sheet to show me that amount but GnuCash just >> did a decrease and a balancing increase in the Equity account which >> doesn't really make much sense. >> >> >> -- >> Chris Green >> ___ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> - >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Help - entering opening balances
Hi Chris, Don’t create accounts under Equity. Create your savings and current account under Assets. Then enter your opening balances as Stan Brown describes. Peter -- Peter West p...@pbw.id.au “Stretch out your hand.” And he did so, and his hand was restored. But they were filled with fury… > On 8 Sep 2020, at 10:52 pm, Chris Green wrote: > > I am at the stage of lots of rude words at the moment! :-) > > I am just starting to try and set up GnuCash for the PCC accounts and > I've fallen at the first hurdle. I can't work out how to enter > opening balances for the two accounts we have - a current account and > a savings account (which is basically the building fund). > > I have to say at present the help system is worse than useless, maybe > I'll get used to it later but it really doesn't help at all at this > beginner level. > > A search for 'opening balance' in the Tutorial and Concepts Guide > always takes me back to the top level whereas I want to search within > a section. HOw do I search for 'opening balance' in the Managing > Business Finances section? > > So, ignoring the help system, how do I enter an Opening Balance? > There's a section in accounts under 'Equity' for opening balances and > I tried creating two accounts under that and entering balances but the > result made no sense at all to me. Having entered an opening balance > I'd expect the balance sheet to show me that amount but GnuCash just > did a decrease and a balancing increase in the Equity account which > doesn't really make much sense. > > > -- > Chris Green > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Help - entering opening balances
On 2020-09-08 05:52, Chris Green wrote: > ... I can't work out how to enter > opening balances for the two accounts we have - a current account and > a savings account (which is basically the building fund). ... > > So, ignoring the help system, how do I enter an Opening Balance? > There's a section in accounts under 'Equity' for opening balances and You can enter an opening balance in the dialog when you create a new account. If the account is already created, you can give it an opening balance by creating a transaction. Debit:Assets:Bank Account Credit:Equity > I tried creating two accounts under that and entering balances but the > result made no sense at all to me. Having entered an opening balance > I'd expect the balance sheet to show me that amount but GnuCash just > did a decrease and a balancing increase in the Equity account which > doesn't really make much sense. I don't understand. What transactions, exactly, were created by you and by GC? -- Regards, Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com https://OakRoadSystems.com ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Help - entering opening balances
I am at the stage of lots of rude words at the moment! :-) I am just starting to try and set up GnuCash for the PCC accounts and I've fallen at the first hurdle. I can't work out how to enter opening balances for the two accounts we have - a current account and a savings account (which is basically the building fund). I have to say at present the help system is worse than useless, maybe I'll get used to it later but it really doesn't help at all at this beginner level. A search for 'opening balance' in the Tutorial and Concepts Guide always takes me back to the top level whereas I want to search within a section. HOw do I search for 'opening balance' in the Managing Business Finances section? So, ignoring the help system, how do I enter an Opening Balance? There's a section in accounts under 'Equity' for opening balances and I tried creating two accounts under that and entering balances but the result made no sense at all to me. Having entered an opening balance I'd expect the balance sheet to show me that amount but GnuCash just did a decrease and a balancing increase in the Equity account which doesn't really make much sense. -- Chris Green ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
