Re: [GNC] Wrong starting balance

2020-11-20 Thread David Carlson
As I started to suggest in my previous email, if a given split line
contains a 'Y' reconcile status, that implies that the transaction split
line passed a reconciliation process for that account on a certain date
recorded within the data file, but not visible to users.  If the account
name or it's representation in the data file changes in that split line, or
if the transaction date changes as associated with that split line, then
the 'Y' status should be revoked.  It would make sense to warn the user and
ask her or him to confirm the action.
I believe that I have seen this flag remain set after changing an account
name in older instances of GnuCash, but right now I do not have a working
instance of release 4.2 at my disposal to test.  Since it may make a
difference if the account associated to the split line is the 'home'
account or not from which the edit is initiated, this should also be tested.

There has been discussion in the past about whether any other aspects of a
complete multi-line transaction should also be considered to be handled
this way, and that discussion should be given consideration as well.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 8:41 PM D. via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> Not sure what the bug would be. You reconciled the transaction and then
> moved it. Should gnucash de-reconcile the entry? Personally, I don't really
> know; arguments could be made either way.
>
> One point to realize (and that others hinted at) is that the starting
> balance for the reconcile window is calculated by tallying *every* entry
> that is marked as reconciled-- regardless of the date of that entry. So, if
> you had an account opened in 2014, added reconciled transactions for 2020,
> and then asked to reconcile January 2014, the starting balance would
> include the reconciled 2020 transactions.  This is strange, but known,
> behavior of the reconcile functions in GnuCash.
>
> David T.
>
>
>  Original Message 
> From: Liz 
> Sent: Fri Nov 20 21:23:18 EST 2020
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Wrong starting balance
>
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 17:58:38 -0800
> "Stephen M. Butler"  wrote:
>
> > Try to reconcile another account that has never been reconciled.  If
> > that comes up with a non-zero number then create a new account and
> > attempt to reconcile with no entries.  If that comes up with a
> > non-zero amount then you have found a bug.
> >
> > What I'm wondering is if there are no entries to add up the module
> > might not be handling the results correctly.
>
>
> I tested that possibility, and it was negative. Fortunately I found
> where the problem was, and it is related to the user.
>
> I did not expect when I moved transactions from the bank account to a
> holding account that the reconcile flag for the bank account would
> remain.
>
> It may be a bug.
>
> Liz
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Re: [GNC] Wrong starting balance

2020-11-20 Thread D. via gnucash-user
Not sure what the bug would be. You reconciled the transaction and then moved 
it. Should gnucash de-reconcile the entry? Personally, I don't really know; 
arguments could be made either way. 

One point to realize (and that others hinted at) is that the starting balance 
for the reconcile window is calculated by tallying *every* entry that is marked 
as reconciled-- regardless of the date of that entry. So, if you had an account 
opened in 2014, added reconciled transactions for 2020, and then asked to 
reconcile January 2014, the starting balance would include the reconciled 2020 
transactions.  This is strange, but known, behavior of the reconcile functions 
in GnuCash. 

David T. 


 Original Message 
From: Liz 
Sent: Fri Nov 20 21:23:18 EST 2020
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Wrong starting balance

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 17:58:38 -0800
"Stephen M. Butler"  wrote:

> Try to reconcile another account that has never been reconciled.  If 
> that comes up with a non-zero number then create a new account and 
> attempt to reconcile with no entries.  If that comes up with a
> non-zero amount then you have found a bug.
> 
> What I'm wondering is if there are no entries to add up the module
> might not be handling the results correctly.


I tested that possibility, and it was negative. Fortunately I found
where the problem was, and it is related to the user.

I did not expect when I moved transactions from the bank account to a
holding account that the reconcile flag for the bank account would
remain.

It may be a bug.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Wrong starting balance

2020-11-20 Thread David Carlson
I think that reconcile flags, especially the 'Y' flag indicating that the
transaction split line passed the reconcile assistant, should be cancelled
if the account name in that split line is changed. I have noticed some
suspicious anomalies in this regard in the past, but I did not perform a
rigorous test and create a bug report.  If this is the case for Liz, please
create a bug report.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 8:00 PM Stephen M. Butler  wrote:

> On 11/20/20 4:49 PM, Liz wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 16:41:22 -0800
> > Jim DeLaHunt  wrote:
> >
> >> Hello, Liz:
> >>
> >> Are any of the transactions in that account reconciled? Do you have a
> >> "starting balance" transaction in that account, perhaps created when
> >> you created the account?
> >>
> >> The reconciliation model for GnuCash assumes that you start by
> >> reconciling the earliest transactions, and move forward sequentially
> >> in time, reconciling bit by bit.  When you start a reconciliation,
> >> GnuCash adds up all the reconciled transactions for that account,
> >> regardless of date, and that becomes your starting balance.
> >>
> >> Does this help?
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> —Jim DeLaHunt
> >
> > No Jim
> >
> > I know perfectly well how reconcile works.
> > I have not reconciled this account ever.
> > NO transactions are reconciled
> > The starting balance is $1.87
> >
> > I am mystified about $6,300, so I did a find for that value on the
> > entire account tree and found nothing of that value.
> >
> > Liz
> > _
>
> Try to reconcile another account that has never been reconciled.  If
> that comes up with a non-zero number then create a new account and
> attempt to reconcile with no entries.  If that comes up with a non-zero
> amount then you have found a bug.
>
> What I'm wondering is if there are no entries to add up the module might
> not be handling the results correctly.
>
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Re: [GNC] Wrong starting balance

2020-11-20 Thread Liz
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 17:58:38 -0800
"Stephen M. Butler"  wrote:

> Try to reconcile another account that has never been reconciled.  If 
> that comes up with a non-zero number then create a new account and 
> attempt to reconcile with no entries.  If that comes up with a
> non-zero amount then you have found a bug.
> 
> What I'm wondering is if there are no entries to add up the module
> might not be handling the results correctly.


I tested that possibility, and it was negative. Fortunately I found
where the problem was, and it is related to the user.

I did not expect when I moved transactions from the bank account to a
holding account that the reconcile flag for the bank account would
remain.

It may be a bug.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Wrong starting balance

2020-11-20 Thread Stephen M. Butler

On 11/20/20 4:49 PM, Liz wrote:

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 16:41:22 -0800
Jim DeLaHunt  wrote:


Hello, Liz:

Are any of the transactions in that account reconciled? Do you have a
"starting balance" transaction in that account, perhaps created when
you created the account?

The reconciliation model for GnuCash assumes that you start by
reconciling the earliest transactions, and move forward sequentially
in time, reconciling bit by bit.  When you start a reconciliation,
GnuCash adds up all the reconciled transactions for that account,
regardless of date, and that becomes your starting balance.

Does this help?

Best regards,
        —Jim DeLaHunt


No Jim

I know perfectly well how reconcile works.
I have not reconciled this account ever.
NO transactions are reconciled
The starting balance is $1.87

I am mystified about $6,300, so I did a find for that value on the
entire account tree and found nothing of that value.

Liz
_


Try to reconcile another account that has never been reconciled.  If 
that comes up with a non-zero number then create a new account and 
attempt to reconcile with no entries.  If that comes up with a non-zero 
amount then you have found a bug.


What I'm wondering is if there are no entries to add up the module might 
not be handling the results correctly.


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Re: [GNC] Wrong starting balance

2020-11-20 Thread Liz
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 18:50:06 -0600 (CST)
David Cousens  wrote:

> Liz,
> 
> That would seem to imply that some transactions have been marked as
> reconciled somewhere in the account history, not necessarily a single 
> transaction for $6300. One possible suggestion, have you cleared all
> filters that might restrict the date range displayed for the account?
> There may be some hidden transactions that aren't appearing.
> 
> David Cousens
> 
> 
> 
>

I moved some transactions from another account, and they copied the
reconcile flag over.

Phew!
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Re: [GNC] List Replies

2020-11-20 Thread w...@theprescotts.com
Would one solution be to put it to a vote of the subscribers?

Will

On 2020 Nov 20, at 11-20 18:43:52, Greg Feneis  wrote:

Well, I'm glad this got thoroughly discussed without folks getting
thoroughly disgusted.

It seems like the boilerplate that appears in every list email could,
instead of reminding members to always reply to the list, it could let
people know if they need help replying to a list message privately, they
can reply to the list asking for help with that.

I can't help believing the occurrence of needing to private reply when not
knowing how will be exceedingly rare compared to the current frequency of
people failing to reply to the list.

Kind regards,

Greg Feneis




On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 9:26 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Yes, I'm well aware of what the MacOS client does as I use it daily. I
> don't have an *iOS* device though.
> 
> And the question wasn't about the buttons' current behaviors, but rather
> how easy it is to send to *any* e-mail address in any part of the
> header, or the body of the message. (and not just the list address or
> reply-to header)
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 11/18/20 12:17 PM, w...@theprescotts.com wrote:
>> Adrien,
>> 
>> For your reference, in the MacOS Mail.app:
>> 
>> clicking Reply: puts the sender in the To: field
>> clicking Reply All: puts gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org  gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org> in the To: field, and the sender in the
> cc: field.
>> 
>> Usually what I do is hit 'Reply All', delete the sender from the To:
> field and drag gnucash from cc: to To:.
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Re: [GNC] Wrong starting balance

2020-11-20 Thread David Cousens
Liz,

That would seem to imply that some transactions have been marked as
reconciled somewhere in the account history, not necessarily a single 
transaction for $6300. One possible suggestion, have you cleared all filters
that might restrict the date range displayed for the account? There may be
some hidden transactions that aren't appearing.

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] Wrong starting balance

2020-11-20 Thread Liz
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 16:41:22 -0800
Jim DeLaHunt  wrote:

> Hello, Liz:
> 
> Are any of the transactions in that account reconciled? Do you have a 
> "starting balance" transaction in that account, perhaps created when
> you created the account?
> 
> The reconciliation model for GnuCash assumes that you start by 
> reconciling the earliest transactions, and move forward sequentially
> in time, reconciling bit by bit.  When you start a reconciliation,
> GnuCash adds up all the reconciled transactions for that account,
> regardless of date, and that becomes your starting balance.
> 
> Does this help?
> 
> Best regards,
>        —Jim DeLaHunt


No Jim

I know perfectly well how reconcile works.
I have not reconciled this account ever.
NO transactions are reconciled
The starting balance is $1.87

I am mystified about $6,300, so I did a find for that value on the
entire account tree and found nothing of that value.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Wrong starting balance

2020-11-20 Thread Liz
On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 11:32:39 +1100
Liz  wrote:

> I was trying to reconcile an account for the first time since I
> created it.
> 
> The reconcile dialogue says it has a starting balance of $6,300.
> I have no idea from where this starting balance has come. The first
> entry is $1.87.
> 
> I can't find any entry in any account for $6,300
> 
> Has anyone any ideas on how to handle this?
> 
> Liz
> 

sorry, I forgot

Version: 4.2
Build ID: 4.2+(2020-09-26)
Finance::Quote: 1.47

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Re: [GNC] List Replies

2020-11-20 Thread Greg Feneis
Well, I'm glad this got thoroughly discussed without folks getting
thoroughly disgusted.

It seems like the boilerplate that appears in every list email could,
instead of reminding members to always reply to the list, it could let
people know if they need help replying to a list message privately, they
can reply to the list asking for help with that.

I can't help believing the occurrence of needing to private reply when not
knowing how will be exceedingly rare compared to the current frequency of
people failing to reply to the list.

Kind regards,

Greg Feneis




On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 9:26 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Yes, I'm well aware of what the MacOS client does as I use it daily. I
> don't have an *iOS* device though.
>
> And the question wasn't about the buttons' current behaviors, but rather
> how easy it is to send to *any* e-mail address in any part of the
> header, or the body of the message. (and not just the list address or
> reply-to header)
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 11/18/20 12:17 PM, w...@theprescotts.com wrote:
> > Adrien,
> >
> > For your reference, in the MacOS Mail.app:
> >
> > clicking Reply: puts the sender in the To: field
> > clicking Reply All: puts gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org  gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org> in the To: field, and the sender in the
> cc: field.
> >
> > Usually what I do is hit 'Reply All', delete the sender from the To:
> field and drag gnucash from cc: to To:.
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Re: [GNC] Wrong starting balance

2020-11-20 Thread Jim DeLaHunt

On 2020-11-20 16:32, Liz wrote:


I was trying to reconcile an account for the first time since I created
it.

The reconcile dialogue says it has a starting balance of $6,300.
I have no idea from where this starting balance has come. The first
entry is $1.87.

I can't find any entry in any account for $6,300

Has anyone any ideas on how to handle this?

Liz


Hello, Liz:

Are any of the transactions in that account reconciled? Do you have a 
"starting balance" transaction in that account, perhaps created when you 
created the account?


The reconciliation model for GnuCash assumes that you start by 
reconciling the earliest transactions, and move forward sequentially in 
time, reconciling bit by bit.  When you start a reconciliation, GnuCash 
adds up all the reconciled transactions for that account, regardless of 
date, and that becomes your starting balance.


Does this help?

Best regards,
      —Jim DeLaHunt


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Re: [GNC] Importing qif from Moneydance

2020-11-20 Thread David H
See https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Flatpak for Gnucash Flatpak install and
run instructions - excerpt below

# Install FlatPak (on debian based distributions, others have to
replace 'apt-get install'):
sudo apt-get install flatpak# Register FlatHub repository:
sudo flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub
https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo# Install GnuCash ...##
for all users:
sudo flatpak install flathub org.gnucash.GnuCash## or only you:
flatpak install flathub org.gnucash.GnuCash# Run GnuCash:
flatpak run org.gnucash.GnuCash


On Ubuntu 20.04 / 20.10 I usually just run the last command in a terminal.
Once it was running the first time I was also able to pin the shortcut to
my favourites and click the icon to run it from there.

Cheers David H.


On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 at 00:44, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Reed,
>
> Sorry for the late reply, I don’t think your reply made it to the list. (I
> think the server was down that day and I found this in my regular mail
> client.)
>
> I see now you’ve installed the Flatpak. When you mentioned you installed
> from the Software Center, I guessed the standard version. I forgot SC can
> also install Flatpak versions now.
>
> In that case, you have to launch with `flatpak` from the CLI. I’m not
> familiar with the exact command but I know I’ve seen it here on the list
> and I’d be it is on the wiki somewhere. Maybe Geert will see this and can
> chime in. He’s the one who packages the flatpak for GnuCash.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On Oct 30, 2020 w44d304, at 1:20 PM, Reed Nelson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Adrien,
> >
> > When I type 'gnucash', I get
> >
> > nelsors@nelsors-Inspiron-7548:~$ gnucash
> >
> > Command 'gnucash' not found, but can be installed with:
> > sudo apt install gnucash
> >
> > nelsors@nelsors-Inspiron-7548:~$ echo $PATH
> >
> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin
> >
> > I assume I don't install gnucash again and don't know where flatpak puts
> the gnucash executable.
> >
> > nelsors@nelsors-Inspiron-7548:/$ find -type f -executable -name
> *gnucash* > $HOME/findgnucash
> >
> >
> ./var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/x86_64/stable/96420827a8d49b988ad47326cc67de8f9cbbf1b7a3e5d2e4ad2b2c9d85ed351e/export/share/applications/org.gnucash.GnuCash.desktop
> >
> ./var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/x86_64/stable/96420827a8d49b988ad47326cc67de8f9cbbf1b7a3e5d2e4ad2b2c9d85ed351e/export/bin/org.gnucash.GnuCash
> >
> ./var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/x86_64/stable/96420827a8d49b988ad47326cc67de8f9cbbf1b7a3e5d2e4ad2b2c9d85ed351e/files/lib/libgnucash-guile.so
> >
> ./var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/x86_64/stable/96420827a8d49b988ad47326cc67de8f9cbbf1b7a3e5d2e4ad2b2c9d85ed351e/files/bin/gnucash-cli
> >
> ./var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/x86_64/stable/96420827a8d49b988ad47326cc67de8f9cbbf1b7a3e5d2e4ad2b2c9d85ed351e/files/bin/gnucash
> >
> ./var/lib/app-info/icons/ubuntu-focal-universe/64x64/gnucash_gnucash-icon.png
> >
> ./var/lib/app-info/icons/ubuntu-focal-universe/48x48/gnucash_gnucash-icon.png
> >
> ./var/lib/app-info/icons/ubuntu-focal-updates-universe/64x64/gnucash_gnucash-icon.png
> >
> ./var/lib/app-info/icons/ubuntu-focal-updates-universe/48x48/gnucash_gnucash-icon.png
> >
> > Any suggestions?
>
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Re: [GNC] Importing qif from Moneydance

2020-11-20 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Reed,

Sorry for the late reply, I don’t think your reply made it to the list. (I 
think the server was down that day and I found this in my regular mail client.)

I see now you’ve installed the Flatpak. When you mentioned you installed from 
the Software Center, I guessed the standard version. I forgot SC can also 
install Flatpak versions now.

In that case, you have to launch with `flatpak` from the CLI. I’m not familiar 
with the exact command but I know I’ve seen it here on the list and I’d be it 
is on the wiki somewhere. Maybe Geert will see this and can chime in. He’s the 
one who packages the flatpak for GnuCash.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Oct 30, 2020 w44d304, at 1:20 PM, Reed Nelson  wrote:
> 
> Adrien,
> 
> When I type 'gnucash', I get
> 
> nelsors@nelsors-Inspiron-7548:~$ gnucash
> 
> Command 'gnucash' not found, but can be installed with:
> sudo apt install gnucash
> 
> nelsors@nelsors-Inspiron-7548:~$ echo $PATH
> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin
> 
> I assume I don't install gnucash again and don't know where flatpak puts the 
> gnucash executable. 
> 
> nelsors@nelsors-Inspiron-7548:/$ find -type f -executable -name *gnucash* > 
> $HOME/findgnucash
> 
> ./var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/x86_64/stable/96420827a8d49b988ad47326cc67de8f9cbbf1b7a3e5d2e4ad2b2c9d85ed351e/export/share/applications/org.gnucash.GnuCash.desktop
> ./var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/x86_64/stable/96420827a8d49b988ad47326cc67de8f9cbbf1b7a3e5d2e4ad2b2c9d85ed351e/export/bin/org.gnucash.GnuCash
> ./var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/x86_64/stable/96420827a8d49b988ad47326cc67de8f9cbbf1b7a3e5d2e4ad2b2c9d85ed351e/files/lib/libgnucash-guile.so
> ./var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/x86_64/stable/96420827a8d49b988ad47326cc67de8f9cbbf1b7a3e5d2e4ad2b2c9d85ed351e/files/bin/gnucash-cli
> ./var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/x86_64/stable/96420827a8d49b988ad47326cc67de8f9cbbf1b7a3e5d2e4ad2b2c9d85ed351e/files/bin/gnucash
> ./var/lib/app-info/icons/ubuntu-focal-universe/64x64/gnucash_gnucash-icon.png
> ./var/lib/app-info/icons/ubuntu-focal-universe/48x48/gnucash_gnucash-icon.png
> ./var/lib/app-info/icons/ubuntu-focal-updates-universe/64x64/gnucash_gnucash-icon.png
> ./var/lib/app-info/icons/ubuntu-focal-updates-universe/48x48/gnucash_gnucash-icon.png
> 
> Any suggestions?


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Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash with Dropbox

2020-11-20 Thread David Long
Thanks,
I thought that would work as a one off manual save only. So from then on
GnuCash will automatically save updates and logs there?
I was looking for it under Preferences, but if that's all I need to that's
good.
David

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020, 02:00 D.,  wrote:

> I imagine File->Save As might work.
>
>
>  Original Message 
> From: davidvernonl...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thu Nov 19 19:15:45 EST 2020
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: [GNC] Using GnuCash with Dropbox
>
> My Gnucash is saving to C:\Users\my username\Documents.
>
>
>
> However, Dropbox is synchronising with folders on my D Drive, which is
> where
> I would like my Gnucash files to go.
>
> Probably I should have thought of that in the setup process, but I didn't.
>
>
>
> How can I now make that happen? I have setup a special sub  folder on my D
> Drive under Dropbox folder in readiness.
>
>
>
> David
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