Re: [GNC] CSV matching for credit cards?

[David Cousens]

Elmar,

The terminology switches are a bit of a problem and those in the
documentation likely my faullt. I have an accounting background and I see
everything as either debits or credits and the relationships between those
and various account types are now pretty embedded. I updated the CSV
documentation after Geert rewrote a lot of the code a couple of years ago. I
used the terminology that the previous documentation writer had used which
was the Withdrawal/Deposit and Increase/Decrease for Liabilitiy accounts. 
rather than the accounting Debit/Credit headers. This is an option in the
Edit Preferences_>Accounts->Labels which you can select to force formal
accounting labels. I don't think the switching of informal and formal
accounting labels has carried through into the importer from memory.  The
importer is also designed to deal with , a single column of signed amounts,
two columns (debits and credits) with unsigned amounts.

Then further confusion usually arises because your bank regards your bank
account as a Liability to them and your credit card as an asset of theirs.

I will add a page to the https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/CSV_Import/Export
page and put a table of equivalences  there in a breakout
pagehttps://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/index.php?title=Formal/Informal_Label_Equivalence_and_Importing_CSV
 
which may help in sorting such issues out. When I have time I will shift it
into the documentation. i am a bit rusty on the wiki editing so it may take
a day or 2

David



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Re: [GNC] Lost all settings after Flatpak update

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Am 01.04.21 um 18:32 schrieb Colin Arndt:
> Hi Ken,
> 
> Thanks for bringing this up. I experienced the same thing on Fedora 33 but 
> didn't take the time to ask about it.
> The welcome screen and tips displayed again and I had to re-enter my 
> preferences for register display, etc. I remember thinking this was odd, 
> which leads me to believe it hasn't happened with prior Flatpak updates. 
> Would be curious to hear more about what might have happened.
> Best,
> Colin

As pristine linux installation most parts are stored according the XDG
standard in
~.config/gnucash/
~/.local/share/gnucash/
…

but under flatpak's sandbox concept it is
~/.var/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/…

See https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations
for more details.

Regards
Frank
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Re: [GNC] CSV matching for credit cards?

[David Carlson]

Elmar,
As David suggested, you can assign values to either increase or decrease
then they will either import correctly or opposite. Then choose whatever
works correctly.

Most months you will have one transaction that transfers from a bank
account and most of the rest will be identified by whatever your credit
card calls them.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 6:33 PM Elmar  wrote:

> Sorry - the csv is comma separated.  To post this I dumped it into
> libreoffice, the copy/pasted into a text file, which of course removes
> the commas. The original is like so:
>
> Tran Date,Post Date,Description,Ref Number,Amount
> 3/20/2021,3/21/2021,[redacted],019918,74.99
> ...
> 3/3/2021,3/3/2021,PAYMENT - THANK YOU,,-792.66
>
> Sorry for the confusion.  This is then in theimporter specification
> (obviously skip first line) date, none, description, number,  and here I
> stumble.  The liability account has headers that say Increase, and
> Decrease.  Now is that a deposit in the importer or a withdrawal? It's
> the switches in terminology that confuse me: "amount" in the csv vs.
> deposit/withdrawal in the importer vs. increase/decrease in the
> liability account.  What is which?  Is my "amount" a "deposit" that will
> translate into an "increase" if a positive value?
>
> And finally, the matching question is also unresolved.  Thanks for the
> reply, and apologies for my denseness. - Elmar
>
> On 4/1/21 6:07 PM, David Cousens wrote:
> > Elmar,  > > The example you listed is not comma separated... > > 
> One will
> assign Debit to +ve amounts and Credit to negative > amounts and the
> other will reverse these. Idon't know which way round > it is though. It
> will likely be opposite to the assignment you used > to import asset
> account data > >
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Re: [GNC] CSV matching for credit cards?

[Elmar]

Sorry - the csv is comma separated.  To post this I dumped it into 
libreoffice, the copy/pasted into a text file, which of course removes 
the commas. The original is like so:


Tran Date,Post Date,Description,Ref Number,Amount
3/20/2021,3/21/2021,[redacted],019918,74.99
...
3/3/2021,3/3/2021,PAYMENT - THANK YOU,,-792.66

Sorry for the confusion.  This is then in theimporter specification 
(obviously skip first line) date, none, description, number,  and here I 
stumble.  The liability account has headers that say Increase, and 
Decrease.  Now is that a deposit in the importer or a withdrawal? It's 
the switches in terminology that confuse me: "amount" in the csv vs. 
deposit/withdrawal in the importer vs. increase/decrease in the 
liability account.  What is which?  Is my "amount" a "deposit" that will 
translate into an "increase" if a positive value?


And finally, the matching question is also unresolved.  Thanks for the 
reply, and apologies for my denseness. - Elmar


On 4/1/21 6:07 PM, David Cousens wrote:
Elmar,  > > The example you listed is not comma separated... > >  One will 
assign Debit to +ve amounts and Credit to negative > amounts and the 
other will reverse these. Idon't know which way round > it is though. It 
will likely be opposite to the assignment you used > to import asset 
account data > >


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[GNC] stuck tax table object

[Mark Hedges via gnucash-user]

Hi GnuCashers,

I created a tax table and accidentally associated it with an expense
account instead of a liability account.

I edited the tax table to point to a liability account instead, and
reposted the invoice.  I also tried deleting the tax table and creating a
new tax table with a different name using the liability account, then
reposting the invoice.  Both times I reset the tax tables when I unposted
the invoice.

I can't delete the unneeded expense account.  It says that it's still
associated with a tax table object under the old tax table name, even
though there is no reference to that tax table name anymore on any invoice
or transaction.

I tried quitting and restarting GnuCash.  No luck.

How do I force it to remove the old tax table object that has no actual
referent?

Thanks.
Mark

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Re: [GNC] Lost all settings after Flatpak update

[Guille Lopez]

Hello,

I can confirm that I observed the same behavior, also with Flatpak in 
Debian bullseye.


It did not mean a big deal for me because I could reapply my settings 
quickly, but I confirm the issue.


Guille

On 01/04/2021 16:40, km22 wrote:

Hi,

I am a Debian user and install Gnucash using Flatpak. I think Flatpak is
setup to update automatically and the latest version of Gnucash seems to
have been installed as of March 28th.

When I started Gnucash I was presented with the typical popup tips and
dialogs to set up a new user file from scratch.  The system did not
remember any of my recently used files.  When I opened a recent gnucash
file it loaded but all my settings are gone. For instance my tabs are
all horizontal at the top of the screen rather than vertically to the 
left.


Do you know whether it is normal for Flatpak updates to case user
settings to be lost?  Is there a way to restore my previous settings?

Thanks,

Ken


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Re: [GNC] CSV matching for credit cards?

[David Cousens]

Elmar,

The example you listed is not comma separated but  blank and/or tab separated so
the comma as a separator has no effect. If you have a blank selected as the
separator in the import dialog, it will treat the blanks in the description as
separators and put each word in a different field so amount column for the
second record won't line up. If the description in the first record shown also
has blanks then it will be treated similarly and the columns won't line up as
you expect. CSV means comma separated variables. If your data contains commas,
e.g. some European currencies use it as the main currency separator, then you
can select any other character as a separator as long as it doesn't appear in
your data. If your bank is supplying it as blank separated with blanks in the
description field they need to think again, it won't work. If they don't fix it
you can edit the file to replace blanks which are not in description fields with
another character  e.g. "%" or "&"  etc that is not used in the data in your
file.

Once you have that sorted, you can assign either the Deposit or Withdrawal
header to the Amount column of your data file. One will assign Debit to +ve
amounts and Credit to negative amounts and the other will reverse these. Idon't
know which way round it is though. It will likely be opposite to the assignment
you used to import asset account data


On Thu, 2021-04-01 at 17:20 -0400, Elmar wrote:
> Good evening - I have managed to figure out how to do the csv matches 
> for normal asset accounts, since the labels actually line up with what I 
> expect them to mean.  But I am having problems with credit cards.  My 
> csv looks like this:
> 
> Tran DatePost DateDescriptionRef NumberAmount
> 3/20/20213/21/2021[redacted] 1991874.99
> [lots more lines like the above]
> 3/3/20213/3/2021PAYMENT - THANK YOU-792.66
> 
> How does this line up with deposit?  Withdrawal? And in the gnucash file 
> the columns for liability accounts are increase and decrease, which does 
> match either the csv, or the importer.
> 
> Further, I can't get some matches that are obviously matches to match - 
> date, amount all both identical, but it says "no match". Why?
> 
> - Elmar
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Re: [GNC] Confused Entering A Refund To Credit Card Account

[Liz Dodd]

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 23:22:06 -0400
Jack Frillman via gnucash-user  wrote:

> Doesn't everyone track their sales tax as a separate expense item?
> Why would you consider sales tax the same type of an expenditure as 
> groceries, gasoline or your electric bill?

As others have said, there are different reasons to do this.
In my personal books, no. I don't get any choice on paying the tax, and
I cannot apply for reimbursement.

In my company books, yes. I also have to split between general expenses
where the tax is fully claimable, and motor vehicle expenses where I
have to pay a share, so only part of the tax is claimable. 
So if I buy fuel and a coffee in the one transaction, I have to have a
5 way split
Expenses:Motor Vehicle: Fuel
Liabilities:GST paid:Motor Vehicle
Expenses:Office Expenses (or Entertainment or whatever is appropriate)
Liabilities:GST paid
Assets:Bank account


I think in these circumstances everyone has good reasons to do whatever
they choose with the tax, and no one is "wrong".

Liz
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[GNC] CSV matching for credit cards?

[Elmar]

Good evening - I have managed to figure out how to do the csv matches 
for normal asset accounts, since the labels actually line up with what I 
expect them to mean.  But I am having problems with credit cards.  My 
csv looks like this:


Tran Date    Post Date    Description    Ref Number    Amount
3/20/2021    3/21/2021    [redacted]     19918    74.99
[lots more lines like the above]
3/3/2021    3/3/2021    PAYMENT - THANK YOU        -792.66

How does this line up with deposit?  Withdrawal? And in the gnucash file 
the columns for liability accounts are increase and decrease, which does 
match either the csv, or the importer.


Further, I can't get some matches that are obviously matches to match - 
date, amount all both identical, but it says "no match". Why?


- Elmar

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[GNC] Gnc 4.5 report charts do not render (blank screen)

[Mike Commissaris]

MX-Linux 19.3_64
Built release 4.5. Textual reports work fine. However any report that
involves graphics does not render. Report loads and settings are available
but screen renders blank.
I also have versions 4.3 and 4.4 installed in their own directories - they
both render normally.
Seems like I have had this issue somewhere in the past, but I don't know
what I am missing.
Thank you,
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Re: [GNC] Lost all settings after Flatpak update

[Colin Arndt]

Hi Ken,

Thanks for bringing this up. I experienced the same thing on Fedora 33 but 
didn't take the time to ask about it.
The welcome screen and tips displayed again and I had to re-enter my 
preferences for register display, etc. I remember thinking this was odd, which 
leads me to believe it hasn't happened with prior Flatpak updates. Would be 
curious to hear more about what might have happened.
Best,
Colin

> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 22:40:52 +0800
> From: km22 
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: [GNC] Lost all settings after Flatpak update
> Message-ID: <1de79af5-bfe4-9028-be63-e137b5eb3...@gmx.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Hi,
> I am a Debian user and install Gnucash using Flatpak. I think Flatpak is
> setup to update automatically and the latest version of Gnucash seems to
> have been installed as of March 28th.
>
> When I started Gnucash I was presented with the typical popup tips and
> dialogs to set up a new user file from scratch.? The system did not
> remember any of my recently used files.? When I opened a recent gnucash
> file it loaded but all my settings are gone. For instance my tabs are
> all horizontal at the top of the screen rather than vertically to the left.
>
> Do you know whether it is normal for Flatpak updates to case user
> settings to be lost?? Is there a way to restore my previous settings?
>
> Thanks,
> Ken
>
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Re: [GNC] Lost all settings after Flatpak update

[Jimmy R via gnucash-user]

It did it to me on Win 10, I have not checked my Linux Mint box yet.
Seems on Win 10 it was like creating a new company not loading the company I
had previously had loaded.
I just loaded the company I was using again, my GTK CSS custom settings did
not change on upgrade.

Jimmy



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[GNC] Lost all settings after Flatpak update

[km22]

Hi,

I am a Debian user and install Gnucash using Flatpak. I think Flatpak is
setup to update automatically and the latest version of Gnucash seems to
have been installed as of March 28th.

When I started Gnucash I was presented with the typical popup tips and
dialogs to set up a new user file from scratch.  The system did not
remember any of my recently used files.  When I opened a recent gnucash
file it loaded but all my settings are gone. For instance my tabs are
all horizontal at the top of the screen rather than vertically to the left.

Do you know whether it is normal for Flatpak updates to case user
settings to be lost?  Is there a way to restore my previous settings?

Thanks,

Ken


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Re: [GNC] Limitations Running v4.4. on Windows 7?

[Geert Janssens]

The GnuCash devs are not actively preventing you from running the application 
on Windows 7. So as long as it works, good for you.

On the other hand, while it currently still works there will be no active 
effort to maintain Windows 7 compatibility either. If at some point in the 
future running on Windows 7 breaks for whichever reason, that will simply be 
the end of it there and then.

Microsoft has ended support for Windows 7 so we won't actively promote its use 
either. In today's connected world security patches do matter.

Having said that, I think it will probably continue to run for quite a while 
still on Windows 7 simply because we don't do much that needs Windows features 
that are exclusively for Windows 8 and up.

Regards,

Geert

Op donderdag 1 april 2021 10:14:44 CEST schreef David H:
> Seems to be OK on Win 7 Ultimate which is 64 bit so that might be the
> difference - I thought it was more to do with not providing a 32 bit
> version any more for Win 7.  Anyway I just keep installing and running it
> on Win 7 / Win 10 / MacOS Big Sur / Ubuntu Linux 20.10 without any issues
> 
> :-)  So as long as your Win 7 is 64 bit I'd say go for it.
> 
> Cheers David H.
> 
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 18:01, viking  wrote:
> > halvey wrote
> > 
> > > There aren't any as far as I'm aware :-)
> > > 
> > > Running Gnucash 4.4 no worries on Win 7 Ultimate and everything works as
> > > expected.
> > > 
> > > What's your issue with the help files ?  PDF versions can be downloaded
> > > from https://www.gnucash.org/docs.phtml if you prefer a pdf.
> > > 
> > > Just upgraded to 4.5 which also looks good.
> > > 
> > > Cheers David H.
> > 
> > I actually didn't try to install v4.4. I assumed that it wouldn't let me
> > install as it is specified to only run on WIN8 and up... If it really
> > installs on WIN7, I wonder why it is specified to only be used on WIN 8
> > and
> > up?
> > 
> > I downloaded and run the portable version of GnuCash (
> > https://portableapps.com/apps/office/gnucash_portable
> >   ). The problem
> > witrh the help file may be attributed to the portable version (nothing
> > happens when clicking on help).
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [GNC] Limitations Running v4.4. on Windows 7?

[David H]

Seems to be OK on Win 7 Ultimate which is 64 bit so that might be the
difference - I thought it was more to do with not providing a 32 bit
version any more for Win 7.  Anyway I just keep installing and running it
on Win 7 / Win 10 / MacOS Big Sur / Ubuntu Linux 20.10 without any issues
:-)  So as long as your Win 7 is 64 bit I'd say go for it.

Cheers David H.




On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 18:01, viking  wrote:

> halvey wrote
> > There aren't any as far as I'm aware :-)
> >
> > Running Gnucash 4.4 no worries on Win 7 Ultimate and everything works as
> > expected.
> >
> > What's your issue with the help files ?  PDF versions can be downloaded
> > from https://www.gnucash.org/docs.phtml if you prefer a pdf.
> >
> > Just upgraded to 4.5 which also looks good.
> >
> > Cheers David H.
>
> I actually didn't try to install v4.4. I assumed that it wouldn't let me
> install as it is specified to only run on WIN8 and up... If it really
> installs on WIN7, I wonder why it is specified to only be used on WIN 8 and
> up?
>
> I downloaded and run the portable version of GnuCash (
> https://portableapps.com/apps/office/gnucash_portable
>   ). The problem
> witrh the help file may be attributed to the portable version (nothing
> happens when clicking on help).
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Limitations Running v4.4. on Windows 7?

[viking]

halvey wrote
> There aren't any as far as I'm aware :-)
> 
> Running Gnucash 4.4 no worries on Win 7 Ultimate and everything works as
> expected.
> 
> What's your issue with the help files ?  PDF versions can be downloaded
> from https://www.gnucash.org/docs.phtml if you prefer a pdf.
> 
> Just upgraded to 4.5 which also looks good.
> 
> Cheers David H.

I actually didn't try to install v4.4. I assumed that it wouldn't let me
install as it is specified to only run on WIN8 and up... If it really
installs on WIN7, I wonder why it is specified to only be used on WIN 8 and
up?

I downloaded and run the portable version of GnuCash (
https://portableapps.com/apps/office/gnucash_portable
  ). The problem
witrh the help file may be attributed to the portable version (nothing
happens when clicking on help).




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Re: [GNC] Limitations Running v4.4. on Windows 7?

[David H]

This might help if you are getting errors trying to open compiled help
files (chm) -
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/error-opening-help-in-windows-based-programs-feature-not-included-or-help-not-supported-3c841463-d67c-6062-0ee7-1a149da3973b

 I seem to recall installing C:\Windows\hh.exe years ago to fix the problem.

Cheers David H.


On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 17:45, David H  wrote:

> There aren't any as far as I'm aware :-)
>
> Running Gnucash 4.4 no worries on Win 7 Ultimate and everything works as
> expected.
>
> What's your issue with the help files ?  PDF versions can be downloaded
> from https://www.gnucash.org/docs.phtml if you prefer a pdf.
>
> Just upgraded to 4.5 which also looks good.
>
> Cheers David H.
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 15:32, viking  wrote:
>
>> What are the limitations of running v4.4 on Windows 7?
>> I currently have v4.4 running on Windows 7 and, so far, I have only
>> noticed
>> that the help file is not working.
>>
>> Anything else that is not working properly?
>>
>>
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Re: [GNC] Limitations Running v4.4. on Windows 7?

[David H]

There aren't any as far as I'm aware :-)

Running Gnucash 4.4 no worries on Win 7 Ultimate and everything works as
expected.

What's your issue with the help files ?  PDF versions can be downloaded
from https://www.gnucash.org/docs.phtml if you prefer a pdf.

Just upgraded to 4.5 which also looks good.

Cheers David H.


On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 15:32, viking  wrote:

> What are the limitations of running v4.4 on Windows 7?
> I currently have v4.4 running on Windows 7 and, so far, I have only noticed
> that the help file is not working.
>
> Anything else that is not working properly?
>
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