[GNC] Bill - Book Item lines to different Customers.

2022-01-10 Thread flywire
OP, Have you looked at other software? Next you'll be looking for Bug
113772 - Add categories for more reporting flexibility,
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113772 .
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash import QIF issue

2022-01-10 Thread David Carlson
When Gnucash crashes during an import the first thing to suspect is bad
data in the import file.  GnuCash is very picky about date format and will
crash if the date format in the import file doesn't match.   Next, it is
well known that Quicken data does not always import cleanly, so it may help
to start by importing a small chunk of data first into a disposable test
Gnucash data file.

Good luck.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 5:45 PM  wrote:

> Trace files were just where the URL
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile said they would be.  The
> datestamp is from the time I tried to import the QIF.
>
> Pity, I hoped all the 'errors' and 'warns' in the files would help.
>
> I will look at doing the stack_trace file tomorrow.
>
> Robert Nock
> 01600 580807
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jean Laroche [mailto:rip...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 10 January 2022 23:28
> To: subscr...@nock.org.uk
> Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash import QIF issue
>
> How did you create these traces?
>
> They don't seem to indicate a crash. Did you get them right after the
> crash happened?
>
> Jean
>
> On 1/10/22 2:22 PM, subscr...@nock.org.uk wrote:
> > Thanks very much for your quick response and assistance.
> >
> > Tracefiles attached and hopefully these will help.
> >
> > Bearing in mind what it says about the difficulty in getting the
> Stack_Trace
> > files I hope this will do but if you do need more then I will get them to
> > you once you let me know.
> >
> > Using latest version of Gnucash downloaded this morning i.e. 4.9  on
> Windows
> > 10 Home with all updates 19043.1415
> >
> > RAM 32GB
> > Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz   3.50 GHz
> >
> > Robert Nock
> > 01600 580807
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: gnucash-user
> > [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+subscribe=nock.org...@gnucash.org] On
> Behalf Of
> > Jean L
> > Sent: 10 January 2022 16:52
> > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash import QIF issue
> >
> > Can you do a bit of debugging?
> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace
> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile
> > That way we can get a chance to see where the crash happens. Another
> > option is to send your qif file to one of us for us to repro the issue,
> > but that's probably not something you want to do for privacy reasons.
> >
> > Jean
> >
> >
> > On 1/10/2022 4:21 AM, subscr...@nock.org.uk wrote:
> >> I am trying to import a QIF file from Quicken XG 2004 for the UK.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Loading the file etc seems to be fine and I can get through all the
> option
> >> windows.   It.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The import starts OK and gets about half way (having taken many minutes
> as
> >> the QIF file is 11MB with transactions back decades) and then just
> closes
> >> leaving no Gnucash window.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Restarting Gnucash just takes me back to the beginning option to import
> a
> >> file etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Have tried twice and both times with same result though I have not
> > actually
> >> seen the moment the window closes.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Any ideas?  What can I do to work out what the problem is?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
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Re: [GNC] Bill - Book Item lines to different Customers.

2022-01-10 Thread Derek Atkins
Hi,

On Mon, January 10, 2022 6:22 pm, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
>
>
>
>> Exactly..  So you don't know how the features work.
> And that might actually be an advantage
>> GnuCash has a chargeback feature that allows you to select items from a
>> vendor bill and automatically charge them back to a customer.  Selected
>> line-items from the bill to auto-populate into the invoice(s) for that
>> customer (until you select them to apply to a specific invoice).
>>
>> This works great if there is a 1:1 mapping of vendor bill -> customer,
>> because you can only assign a SINGLE Customer to the Bill.
>
> Ah yes, but how did we get to this single bill? Where did this bill get
> separate lines?
>
> In other words, let's change this slightly. The farrier comes to my
> stable and shoes three horses, my horse and the horses of two of my
> customers << I am boarding horses >>. The farrier didn't give me an
> invoice with separate lines for horse a, horse b, and horse c. She gave
> me an invoice with a single line; shoed three horses, $X

That was not my reading from the OP -- my reading is that the farrier left
an invoice with three line items, one for horse A, one for B, and one for
C.

> In other words, it looks to me that what is described below comes from
> MY creating a bill with those separated into separate lines and I
> suppose the objection about what is lacking is the ability to do that
> rather than merging three separate bills.
>
> And the example we are working with is simple (I mean the invoice from
> the vendor). It could be far more complex, have "lines", but those not
> corresponding to a customer. Thus from the vendor an invoice for:
>
> 12 type A widgets @$10 $120
>
> 8  type B widgets   @$5 $40
>
> 3 type C widgets    @&17  $51
>
>      --
>
>      $211
>
> NOW --- of these, 4 of the type A widgets are to be charged back to
> customer #1 and 5 to customer #2 and 3 to inventory
>
>      6 of the type B widgets are to be
> charged back to customer #1 and 2 to customer #2
>
>      2 of the type C widgets are to be
> charged back to customer #1 and one to inventory
>
> So obviously I'd have to be doing the breaking up, into lines if not
> separate bills.. BUT don't I also want to wend up with something that
> bears some resemblance to what arrived? In other words, if this WERE
> done as three bills that were then merged into a "vendor job" what does
> that look like?

It looks like three vendor bills, one to "Ferrier Job " with a
line-item of "Shod Horse A", one with a line-item of B, and one with a
line-item of C.  The only benefit of using a Job is to tie the bills
together by something *other* that the post date and the Ferrier vendor.

> Michael D Novack
>

-derek
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash import QIF issue

2022-01-10 Thread subscribe
Trace files were just where the URL https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile 
said they would be.  The datestamp is from the time I tried to import the QIF.

Pity, I hoped all the 'errors' and 'warns' in the files would help.

I will look at doing the stack_trace file tomorrow.

Robert Nock
01600 580807


-Original Message-
From: Jean Laroche [mailto:rip...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 10 January 2022 23:28
To: subscr...@nock.org.uk
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash import QIF issue

How did you create these traces?

They don't seem to indicate a crash. Did you get them right after the 
crash happened?

Jean

On 1/10/22 2:22 PM, subscr...@nock.org.uk wrote:
> Thanks very much for your quick response and assistance.
>
> Tracefiles attached and hopefully these will help.
>
> Bearing in mind what it says about the difficulty in getting the Stack_Trace
> files I hope this will do but if you do need more then I will get them to
> you once you let me know.
>
> Using latest version of Gnucash downloaded this morning i.e. 4.9  on Windows
> 10 Home with all updates 19043.1415
>
> RAM 32GB
> Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz   3.50 GHz
>
> Robert Nock
> 01600 580807
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gnucash-user
> [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+subscribe=nock.org...@gnucash.org] On Behalf Of
> Jean L
> Sent: 10 January 2022 16:52
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash import QIF issue
>
> Can you do a bit of debugging?
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile
> That way we can get a chance to see where the crash happens. Another
> option is to send your qif file to one of us for us to repro the issue,
> but that's probably not something you want to do for privacy reasons.
>
> Jean
>
>
> On 1/10/2022 4:21 AM, subscr...@nock.org.uk wrote:
>> I am trying to import a QIF file from Quicken XG 2004 for the UK.
>>
>>
>>
>> Loading the file etc seems to be fine and I can get through all the option
>> windows.   It.
>>
>>
>>
>> The import starts OK and gets about half way (having taken many minutes as
>> the QIF file is 11MB with transactions back decades) and then just closes
>> leaving no Gnucash window.
>>
>>
>>
>> Restarting Gnucash just takes me back to the beginning option to import a
>> file etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have tried twice and both times with same result though I have not
> actually
>> seen the moment the window closes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any ideas?  What can I do to work out what the problem is?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks a lot,
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash import QIF issue

2022-01-10 Thread Jean Laroche

How did you create these traces?

They don't seem to indicate a crash. Did you get them right after the 
crash happened?


Jean

On 1/10/22 2:22 PM, subscr...@nock.org.uk wrote:

Thanks very much for your quick response and assistance.

Tracefiles attached and hopefully these will help.

Bearing in mind what it says about the difficulty in getting the Stack_Trace
files I hope this will do but if you do need more then I will get them to
you once you let me know.

Using latest version of Gnucash downloaded this morning i.e. 4.9  on Windows
10 Home with all updates 19043.1415

RAM 32GB
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz   3.50 GHz

Robert Nock
01600 580807

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
[mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+subscribe=nock.org...@gnucash.org] On Behalf Of
Jean L
Sent: 10 January 2022 16:52
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash import QIF issue

Can you do a bit of debugging?
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile
That way we can get a chance to see where the crash happens. Another
option is to send your qif file to one of us for us to repro the issue,
but that's probably not something you want to do for privacy reasons.

Jean


On 1/10/2022 4:21 AM, subscr...@nock.org.uk wrote:

I am trying to import a QIF file from Quicken XG 2004 for the UK.

   


Loading the file etc seems to be fine and I can get through all the option
windows.   It.

   


The import starts OK and gets about half way (having taken many minutes as
the QIF file is 11MB with transactions back decades) and then just closes
leaving no Gnucash window.

   


Restarting Gnucash just takes me back to the beginning option to import a
file etc.

   


Have tried twice and both times with same result though I have not

actually

seen the moment the window closes.

   


Any ideas?  What can I do to work out what the problem is?

   


Thanks a lot,

   


Bob

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Re: [GNC] Bill - Book Item lines to different Customers.

2022-01-10 Thread Michael or Penny Novack





Exactly..  So you don't know how the features work.

And that might actually be an advantage

GnuCash has a chargeback feature that allows you to select items from a
vendor bill and automatically charge them back to a customer.  Selected
line-items from the bill to auto-populate into the invoice(s) for that
customer (until you select them to apply to a specific invoice).

This works great if there is a 1:1 mapping of vendor bill -> customer,
because you can only assign a SINGLE Customer to the Bill.


Ah yes, but how did we get to this single bill? Where did this bill get 
separate lines?


In other words, let's change this slightly. The farrier comes to my 
stable and shoes three horses, my horse and the horses of two of my 
customers << I am boarding horses >>. The farrier didn't give me an 
invoice with separate lines for horse a, horse b, and horse c. She gave 
me an invoice with a single line; shoed three horses, $X


In other words, it looks to me that what is described below comes from 
MY creating a bill with those separated into separate lines and I 
suppose the objection about what is lacking is the ability to do that 
rather than merging three separate bills.


And the example we are working with is simple (I mean the invoice from 
the vendor). It could be far more complex, have "lines", but those not 
corresponding to a customer. Thus from the vendor an invoice for:


12 type A widgets @$10 $120

8  type B widgets   @$5 $40

3 type C widgets    @&17  $51

    --

    $211

NOW --- of these, 4 of the type A widgets are to be charged back to 
customer #1 and 5 to customer #2 and 3 to inventory


    6 of the type B widgets are to be 
charged back to customer #1 and 2 to customer #2


    2 of the type C widgets are to be 
charged back to customer #1 and one to inventory


So obviously I'd have to be doing the breaking up, into lines if not 
separate bills.. BUT don't I also want to wend up with something that 
bears some resemblance to what arrived? In other words, if this WERE 
done as three bills that were then merged into a "vendor job" what does 
that look like?


Michael D Novack



Unfortunately GnuCash does not currently support mapping individual
line-items to different customers.  And that's the crux of the question.

SO..  The only way to do it within the confines of what GnuCash currently
does, unfortunately, would be to enter three individual bills (one for
each customer) -- but then you can "merge" them into a single "Vendor Job"
and you can pay them all at once via Process Payment.  Each vendor bill
would allow you to charge-back to a different customer.

As I posted in my initial response -- this has been an outstanding issue
since 2002.

Thanks,


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash import QIF issue

2022-01-10 Thread subscribe
Thanks very much for your quick response and assistance.

Tracefiles attached and hopefully these will help.

Bearing in mind what it says about the difficulty in getting the Stack_Trace
files I hope this will do but if you do need more then I will get them to
you once you let me know.

Using latest version of Gnucash downloaded this morning i.e. 4.9  on Windows
10 Home with all updates 19043.1415 

RAM 32GB
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz   3.50 GHz

Robert Nock
01600 580807

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
[mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+subscribe=nock.org...@gnucash.org] On Behalf Of
Jean L
Sent: 10 January 2022 16:52
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash import QIF issue

Can you do a bit of debugging?
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile
That way we can get a chance to see where the crash happens. Another 
option is to send your qif file to one of us for us to repro the issue, 
but that's probably not something you want to do for privacy reasons.

Jean


On 1/10/2022 4:21 AM, subscr...@nock.org.uk wrote:
> I am trying to import a QIF file from Quicken XG 2004 for the UK.
>
>   
>
> Loading the file etc seems to be fine and I can get through all the option
> windows.   It.
>
>   
>
> The import starts OK and gets about half way (having taken many minutes as
> the QIF file is 11MB with transactions back decades) and then just closes
> leaving no Gnucash window.
>
>   
>
> Restarting Gnucash just takes me back to the beginning option to import a
> file etc.
>
>   
>
> Have tried twice and both times with same result though I have not
actually
> seen the moment the window closes.
>
>   
>
> Any ideas?  What can I do to work out what the problem is?
>
>   
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
>   
>
> Bob
>
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash import QIF issue

2022-01-10 Thread Jean L

Also, can you tell us which version you're using, and which OS?


On 1/10/2022 4:21 AM, subscr...@nock.org.uk wrote:

I am trying to import a QIF file from Quicken XG 2004 for the UK.

  


Loading the file etc seems to be fine and I can get through all the option
windows.   It.

  


The import starts OK and gets about half way (having taken many minutes as
the QIF file is 11MB with transactions back decades) and then just closes
leaving no Gnucash window.

  


Restarting Gnucash just takes me back to the beginning option to import a
file etc.

  


Have tried twice and both times with same result though I have not actually
seen the moment the window closes.

  


Any ideas?  What can I do to work out what the problem is?

  


Thanks a lot,

  


Bob

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash import QIF issue

2022-01-10 Thread Jean L

Can you do a bit of debugging?
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile
That way we can get a chance to see where the crash happens. Another 
option is to send your qif file to one of us for us to repro the issue, 
but that's probably not something you want to do for privacy reasons.


Jean


On 1/10/2022 4:21 AM, subscr...@nock.org.uk wrote:

I am trying to import a QIF file from Quicken XG 2004 for the UK.

  


Loading the file etc seems to be fine and I can get through all the option
windows.   It.

  


The import starts OK and gets about half way (having taken many minutes as
the QIF file is 11MB with transactions back decades) and then just closes
leaving no Gnucash window.

  


Restarting Gnucash just takes me back to the beginning option to import a
file etc.

  


Have tried twice and both times with same result though I have not actually
seen the moment the window closes.

  


Any ideas?  What can I do to work out what the problem is?

  


Thanks a lot,

  


Bob

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Re: [GNC] Bill - Book Item lines to different Customers.

2022-01-10 Thread Derek Atkins
Michael,

On Mon, January 10, 2022 11:33 am, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
> On 1/10/2022 1:49 AM, Allan Belcher wrote:

> a) How are you accounting for things that will (eventually) get invoiced
> to each horse owner. In other words, you don't yet have all the things
> that will be going onto the invoice.

This is irrelevant to the OP's question.

> b) You are asking about multiple owners horse's on the bill to the
> farrier, but suppose there were only one?

Yes.  The farrier comes and shoes three horses and gives a single (vendor)
bill.  But that single bill needs to be split amongst three customers. 
GnuCash does not currently support that.

> c) Suppose you were dealing with a bill for a vendor that included items
> that were not all in the same expense account (fell into different
> expense categories in your CoA)

That is irrelevant here.

> Folks, since I do not use the business features, I can't test this

Exactly..  So you don't know how the features work.  I would recommend you
take a back seat here, because you don't know how to features work in
GnuCash.  While you are amazing at getting users to actually say what they
are trying to do and get to the basic accounting issues at hand, I'm
afraid in THIS particular case you're just confusing the issue.

GnuCash has a chargeback feature that allows you to select items from a
vendor bill and automatically charge them back to a customer.  Selected
line-items from the bill to auto-populate into the invoice(s) for that
customer (until you select them to apply to a specific invoice).

This works great if there is a 1:1 mapping of vendor bill -> customer,
because you can only assign a SINGLE Customer to the Bill.

Unfortunately GnuCash does not currently support mapping individual
line-items to different customers.  And that's the crux of the question.

SO..  The only way to do it within the confines of what GnuCash currently
does, unfortunately, would be to enter three individual bills (one for
each customer) -- but then you can "merge" them into a single "Vendor Job"
and you can pay them all at once via Process Payment.  Each vendor bill
would allow you to charge-back to a different customer.

As I posted in my initial response -- this has been an outstanding issue
since 2002.

Thanks,

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Re: [GNC] Bill - Book Item lines to different Customers.

2022-01-10 Thread Michael or Penny Novack

On 1/10/2022 1:49 AM, Allan Belcher wrote:

OK actual reason.

Horse Agistment business.

The farrier comes and reshoes 3 horses, each belonging to a different 
person.

The farrier gives me 1 bill for the complete job.
When I enter the bill I want to be able to enter 3 lines, each for 
"reshoing of horse" and allocate each line to a different owner. 


That explains it well, and is actually close to my "guess".

So continue describing:

a) How are you accounting for things that will (eventually) get invoiced 
to each horse owner. In other words, you don't yet have all the things 
that will be going onto the invoice.


b) You are asking about multiple owners horse's on the bill to the 
farrier, but suppose there were only one?


c) Suppose you were dealing with a bill for a vendor that included items 
that were not all in the same expense account (fell into different 
expense categories in your CoA)


Folks, since I do not use the business features, I can't test this 
myself, so the question is about invoices in both directions. Now one 
side of those is a  debit to "receivables" or a credit to "payables". 
When the invoice is receivable, I assume you can split the credit side 
among different "income" accounts but could that also include a credit 
to an "expense" account? (that's the reduction of an expense). And of 
course in the other direction when an invoice is payable, the debit side 
can obviously be a split between accounts of type "expense" but would 
gnucash also allow account type "income" << that's a reduction of income >>


Michael D Novack


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[GNC] Gnucash import QIF issue

2022-01-10 Thread subscribe
I am trying to import a QIF file from Quicken XG 2004 for the UK.

 

Loading the file etc seems to be fine and I can get through all the option
windows.   It.  

 

The import starts OK and gets about half way (having taken many minutes as
the QIF file is 11MB with transactions back decades) and then just closes
leaving no Gnucash window.  

 

Restarting Gnucash just takes me back to the beginning option to import a
file etc.

 

Have tried twice and both times with same result though I have not actually
seen the moment the window closes.

 

Any ideas?  What can I do to work out what the problem is?

 

Thanks a lot,

 

Bob

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[GNC] problem with a transaction involving 3 securities

2022-01-10 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
Hi,

I'm trying out something that until now I didn't try, and that's buying
a stock from a broker that handles FX itself "silently" at the time of
the transaction (normally for my USD purchases I use an account in USD).

I have liquidity account in EUR, and the stock is in USD.

So what I attempted is this (seen from the security register, that is in
USD):

A:Investments:BrokerA:USD:RUSG  2358.28  716.56
A:Investments:BrokerA:Liquidity   -634.14
Expenses:Fees:BrokerA0.50
A:Investments:BrokerA:Liquidity -0.50
Trading:CURRENCY:EUR   634.14
Trading:CURRENCY:USD 716.56
Inbalance-USD 716.46
Trading:LSE:RUSG.L -2358.28   716.46


I must add that the Trading:* slices were added automatically.  I'm
pretty lost on how to balance this transation, after trying a variety of
alternatives.
My original approach was to add a bunch of Trading: slices (e.g. show
the EUR→USD,USD→RUSG.L in a total of 4 Trading: slices, basically
turning that Inbalance-USD into Trading:CURRENCY:USD), but it looks like
gnucash doesn't let me to have multiple Trading:CURRENCY:USD slices in
the same transaction.

The only way I found to make this work, is to add a "USD
liquidity" account, exchange the EUR for USD there, and from there to
buy the shares, but that would split the transactions in two making it
a bit less easy to follow what happened.


FTR, my broker shows it like this:

description fx rate change  total
Buy 2 RUSG @ 358.28 USD $-716.56$-716.56
Fees  €-0.50€
Withdrawal FX   €-634.14€
Credit FX   1.13 $716.56$0.00


Do you have an idea on to best record this transaction in gnucash? :)

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