Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Peter Ratzlaff]

Am I misunderstanding what "building GnuCash in the 22.04 development 
environment" means? I have compiled gnucash on a 22.04 installation, and 
it results in gnucash having the issues of preferences not being honored.


On 3/10/22 23:46, john wrote:
Preferences are mediated through GSettings, a feature of Glib-2.0. 
Although the Gnome folks work really hard to maintain ABI consistency 
it's really hard. Try building GnuCash in the 22.04 development 
environment to see if that resolves the problem.


Gnome also provides a build environment in a flatpak called Gnome 
Builder, see https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Builder 
. That may help you sort out if the 
problem is with GLib, Ubunutu, or somewhere else.


Regards,
John Ralls


On Mar 10, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Peter Ratzlaff > wrote:


Actually, I spoke too soon. I had built 4.9 on a 21.10 installation 
and it worked fine. Then building it on 22.04 results in the 
preferences and report plot problems again. So there's something about 
the way that the rest of the 22.04 system interacts with gnucash, 
which is the problem.


On 3/10/22 20:46, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
4.9 itself is a released version, but the packager may have built it 
against an earlier Ubuntu target, so it might not work properly. (the 
GnuCash team doesn't release .debs or maintain the Ubuntu repo version)

Glad to hear you got it straight with a custom build.
Maybe let the package maintainer know what's up so they can upload a 
working build into the repo for release day.

Regards,
Adrien
On 3/10/22 4:16 PM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
True, the release has only seen a feature freeze so far, and beta 
status is a few weeks away. I've compiled gnucash 4.9 from source 
and it is working perfectly fine. For now I will assume the Ubuntu 
package is causing the problem.

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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[john]

Preferences are mediated through GSettings, a feature of Glib-2.0. Although the 
Gnome folks work really hard to maintain ABI consistency it's really hard. Try 
building GnuCash in the 22.04 development environment to see if that resolves 
the problem.

Gnome also provides a build environment in a flatpak called Gnome Builder, see 
https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Builder . That 
may help you sort out if the problem is with GLib, Ubunutu, or somewhere else.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Mar 10, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Peter Ratzlaff  wrote:
> 
> Actually, I spoke too soon. I had built 4.9 on a 21.10 installation and it 
> worked fine. Then building it on 22.04 results in the preferences and report 
> plot problems again. So there's something about the way that the rest of the 
> 22.04 system interacts with gnucash, which is the problem.
> 
> On 3/10/22 20:46, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>> 4.9 itself is a released version, but the packager may have built it against 
>> an earlier Ubuntu target, so it might not work properly. (the GnuCash team 
>> doesn't release .debs or maintain the Ubuntu repo version)
>> Glad to hear you got it straight with a custom build.
>> Maybe let the package maintainer know what's up so they can upload a working 
>> build into the repo for release day.
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>> On 3/10/22 4:16 PM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
>>> True, the release has only seen a feature freeze so far, and beta status is 
>>> a few weeks away. I've compiled gnucash 4.9 from source and it is working 
>>> perfectly fine. For now I will assume the Ubuntu package is causing the 
>>> problem.
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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Peter Ratzlaff]

Actually, I spoke too soon. I had built 4.9 on a 21.10 installation and 
it worked fine. Then building it on 22.04 results in the preferences and 
report plot problems again. So there's something about the way that the 
rest of the 22.04 system interacts with gnucash, which is the problem.


On 3/10/22 20:46, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
4.9 itself is a released version, but the packager may have built it 
against an earlier Ubuntu target, so it might not work properly. (the 
GnuCash team doesn't release .debs or maintain the Ubuntu repo version)


Glad to hear you got it straight with a custom build.

Maybe let the package maintainer know what's up so they can upload a 
working build into the repo for release day.


Regards,
Adrien

On 3/10/22 4:16 PM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:

True, the release has only seen a feature freeze so far, and beta 
status is a few weeks away. I've compiled gnucash 4.9 from source and 
it is working perfectly fine. For now I will assume the Ubuntu package 
is causing the problem.


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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Adrien Monteleone]

4.9 itself is a released version, but the packager may have built it 
against an earlier Ubuntu target, so it might not work properly. (the 
GnuCash team doesn't release .debs or maintain the Ubuntu repo version)


Glad to hear you got it straight with a custom build.

Maybe let the package maintainer know what's up so they can upload a 
working build into the repo for release day.


Regards,
Adrien

On 3/10/22 4:16 PM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:

True, the release has only seen a feature freeze so far, and beta status 
is a few weeks away. I've compiled gnucash 4.9 from source and it is 
working perfectly fine. For now I will assume the Ubuntu package is 
causing the problem.


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Re: [GNC] IRA/401K income detection

[Stan Brown]

On 2022-03-10 11:08, David G. Pickett via gnucash-user wrote:
> When I move money from an IRA or 401K account to my bank account and
the tax man, that is all a taxable distribution, but GNUCash mostly sees
a transfer.  How do I capture the income?

> On 3/10/2022 2:15 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
>> The same is true of making a withdrawal from your IRA. Despite the fact
>> that the tax laws treat it as income, it is not income.

On 2022-03-10 14:47, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
> It is FAR more complex than that. It is NOT a "simple transfer" because
> the IRA or 401K was not a simple asset. It is a "tax deferred" asset
> (income you received earlier but that was (temporarily) not considered
> income for tax purposes. It is becoming income NOW (when you take a
> distribution)

Well, yes and no. Of course, a tax liability is almost certainly created
by a withdrawal from a traditional IRA. But how many people will
actually book that tax liability then? David Pickett's question did not
suggest a lot of sophistication about accounting, and therefore I
suspect he will not want to get into accruing tax liability, but rather
will record income tax as an expense when he actually pays it.

(_I_ record a tax liability when I make an IRA withdrawal, but I imagine
I'm in the minority on that.)

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Re: [GNC] IRA/401K income detection

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 3/10/2022 2:15 PM, Stan Brown wrote:


If you make out a check to "cash" and cash it at the bank, is that
income? No, of course not. Your net worth is the same before and after
cashing that check.

The same is true of making a withdrawal from your IRA. Despite the fact
that the tax laws treat it as income, it is not income.


It is FAR more complex than that. It is NOT a "simple transfer" because 
the IRA or 401K was not a simple asset. It is a "tax deferred" asset 
(income you received earlier but that was (temporarily) not considered 
income for tax purposes. It is becoming income NOW (when you take a 
distribution)


But it is more complicated than that. The 401K contributions could have 
been a mix of "before tax" and "after tax" contributions. Distributions 
from the after tax contributions is not taxed as income. You'll really 
have to look at the distribution statement from the plan administrator. 
And if the IRA is a Roth IRA, that's different too.


 Maybe should reconsider the 401K/IRAs/Roth IRAs kept on the books as 
an asset? I see this "your net worth" making the assumption the "the 
books" (by themselves) should always be enough. For some of us, a better 
picture of our total net worth might be "net worth on books" + X + Y 
where X, Y, etc. are things that have substantial "worth" but might be 
"conditional" and/or not marketable or marketable at only a fraction of 
their value. I treat my 401K like that BUT it's only one of the things I 
have to add in (or did)


Michael

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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Peter Ratzlaff]

On 3/10/22 16:49, Bret Busby wrote:

On 10/3/22 11:12 pm, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
I've just upgraded from Ubuntu 21.10 (gnucash 3.8) to 22.04 (gnucash 
4.9), and am seeing some odd behaviour. These are just the things I 
immediately notice.




When gnucash is run without a command line argument, it no longer 
opens the most recently-opened file. The specific filename must be 
given each time.




Income accounts now have negative balances. Same for equity. Liability 
balance signs are flipped as well.




I have a saved report which generates a plot of assets over time, and 
that report no longer displays the plot. The table of values vs time 
is still printed and the numbers look correct. This seems like it 
could be some sort of unmet graphics package dependency, but there is 
no error message generated on the terminal or in the GUI.




There seems to be nothing on the "GnuCash News" page at 
https://www.gnucash.org/news.phtml, on the changes introduced in 
gnucash 4.0. Is there somewhere else to find them?




Thanks for any input.


I understood that Ubuntu 22.04 is not due to be released for another six 
weeks.


Are you using an alpha  test version?

Thence, is the software (applications), also, alpha test version?



True, the release has only seen a feature freeze so far, and beta status 
is a few weeks away. I've compiled gnucash 4.9 from source and it is 
working perfectly fine. For now I will assume the Ubuntu package is 
causing the problem.

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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Bret Busby]

On 10/3/22 11:12 pm, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
I've just upgraded from Ubuntu 21.10 (gnucash 3.8) to 22.04 (gnucash 
4.9), and am seeing some odd behaviour. These are just the things I 
immediately notice.




When gnucash is run without a command line argument, it no longer opens 
the most recently-opened file. The specific filename must be given each 
time.




Income accounts now have negative balances. Same for equity. Liability 
balance signs are flipped as well.




I have a saved report which generates a plot of assets over time, and 
that report no longer displays the plot. The table of values vs time is 
still printed and the numbers look correct. This seems like it could be 
some sort of unmet graphics package dependency, but there is no error 
message generated on the terminal or in the GUI.




There seems to be nothing on the "GnuCash News" page at 
https://www.gnucash.org/news.phtml, on the changes introduced in gnucash 
4.0. Is there somewhere else to find them?




Thanks for any input.


I understood that Ubuntu 22.04 is not due to be released for another six 
weeks.


Are you using an alpha  test version?

Thence, is the software (applications), also, alpha test version?

--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

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Re: [GNC] IRA/401K income detection

[Steve Butler]

I made a subaccount under the asset in which to record the distributions.
That subaccount is cleaned out each year by an adjusting transaction that
moves that to the main account.  That way the balance sheet year end report
shows the yearly distribution amount.  Makes it easy to pick off and send
to the CPA.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 11:11 David G. Pickett via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> When I move money from an IRA or 401K account to my bank account and the
> tax man, that is all a taxable distribution, but GNUCash mostly sees a
> transfer.  How do I capture the income?
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Re: [GNC] IRA/401K income detection

[Stan Brown]

On 2022-03-10 11:08, David G. Pickett via gnucash-user wrote:
> When I move money from an IRA or 401K account to my bank account and the tax 
> man, that is all a taxable distribution, but GNUCash mostly sees a transfer.  
> How do I capture the income?

If you make out a check to "cash" and cash it at the bank, is that
income? No, of course not. Your net worth is the same before and after
cashing that check.

The same is true of making a withdrawal from your IRA. Despite the fact
that the tax laws treat it as income, it is not income.

Please don't send the same query twice in quick succession. Wait a
reasonable time before assuming the list didn't receive your email.

-- 
Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
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[GNC] IRA/401K income detection

[David G. Pickett via gnucash-user]

When I move money from an IRA or 401K account to my bank account and the tax 
man, that is all a taxable distribution, but GNUCash mostly sees a transfer.  
How do I capture the income?
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[GNC] IRA/401K income detection

[David G. Pickett via gnucash-user]

When I move money from an IRA or 401K account to my bank account and the tax 
man, that is all a taxable distribution, but GNUCash mostly sees a transfer.  
How do I capture the income?
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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Peter Ratzlaff]

On 3/10/22 11:04, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:



On 3/10/22 10:54, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

On 3/10/22 9:12 AM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
Income accounts now have negative balances. Same for equity. 
Liability balance signs are flipped as well.


That's a preference. Did other preferences not carry over?

Investigate the Wiki for GnuCash storage locations and check to see if 
your preference file is intact. (and if not, you can restore it from a 
backup)


Try Actions > Check & Repair > Check & Repair All. That should be done 
after each major version jump. (One would think it should 
automatically run on such an upgrade, and maybe it does, but sometimes 
it might not work I suppose)



I have a saved report which generates a plot of assets over time, and 
that report no longer displays the plot. The table of values vs time 
is still printed and the numbers look correct. This seems like it 
could be some sort of unmet graphics package dependency, but there is 
no error message generated on the terminal or in the GUI.


The Wiki also has a list of dependencies you can check.

How did you install GnuCash?



Yes, I'm beginning to see that this is all about preferences not being 
carried over. Even when I modify preferences in 4.9, they are not being 
saved.


I installed with the Ubuntu 22.04 repository packages.


So, I've messed up this entire query right from the subject line. Turns 
out I was previously running gnucash version 4.4, and now I've updated 
to 4.8.


Anyway, I've completely removed ~/.{config,cache,local/share}/gnucash 
and started over. Still my preference changes are not being saved. That 
seems to be the biggest issue. As for the assets over time report plot, 
it isn't displayed in gnucash, but export to HTML does result in the 
expected graphic.

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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Peter Ratzlaff]

On 3/10/22 10:54, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

On 3/10/22 9:12 AM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
Income accounts now have negative balances. Same for equity. Liability 
balance signs are flipped as well.


That's a preference. Did other preferences not carry over?

Investigate the Wiki for GnuCash storage locations and check to see if 
your preference file is intact. (and if not, you can restore it from a 
backup)


Try Actions > Check & Repair > Check & Repair All. That should be done 
after each major version jump. (One would think it should automatically 
run on such an upgrade, and maybe it does, but sometimes it might not 
work I suppose)



I have a saved report which generates a plot of assets over time, and 
that report no longer displays the plot. The table of values vs time 
is still printed and the numbers look correct. This seems like it 
could be some sort of unmet graphics package dependency, but there is 
no error message generated on the terminal or in the GUI.


The Wiki also has a list of dependencies you can check.

How did you install GnuCash?



Yes, I'm beginning to see that this is all about preferences not being 
carried over. Even when I modify preferences in 4.9, they are not being 
saved.


I installed with the Ubuntu 22.04 repository packages.
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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Adrien Monteleone]

On 3/10/22 9:12 AM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
Income accounts now have negative balances. Same for equity. Liability 
balance signs are flipped as well.


That's a preference. Did other preferences not carry over?

Investigate the Wiki for GnuCash storage locations and check to see if 
your preference file is intact. (and if not, you can restore it from a 
backup)


Try Actions > Check & Repair > Check & Repair All. That should be done 
after each major version jump. (One would think it should automatically 
run on such an upgrade, and maybe it does, but sometimes it might not 
work I suppose)



I have a saved report which generates a plot of assets over time, and 
that report no longer displays the plot. The table of values vs time is 
still printed and the numbers look correct. This seems like it could be 
some sort of unmet graphics package dependency, but there is no error 
message generated on the terminal or in the GUI.


The Wiki also has a list of dependencies you can check.

How did you install GnuCash?

Regards,
Adrien

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Re: [GNC] [Bug 798471] New: Can't see or select Income or Expense accounts in Income Tax Information GUI

[Alex Aycinena]

Frank,

Glad you figured out why it wasn't working and have fixed it. I will change
the bug to accordingly.

Alex

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 6:29 PM john  wrote:

> Alex,
>
> I tested 4.9 then asked the bug submitter to upgrade. I'll fire up an
> older machine that doesn't run the latest macOS--only 4.8 and later work on
> that--and test 4.1 tomorrow.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
> > On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:37 PM, Alex Aycinena 
> wrote:
> >
> > A gnucash user has reported the referenced bug (
> > https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798471) and includes a
> screen-shot
> > showing the problem (
> > https://bugs.gnucash.org/attachment.cgi?id=374357=edit).
> >
> > He uses Gnucash ver4.1 on a MAC.
> >
> > I maintain the aspect of Gnucash he is reporting on but I am on Fedora
> > linux and on Version 4.9 and I can't reproduce his problem. Mine seems to
> > work as it has for a while.
> >
> > Is there someone on the list who uses a MAC and the US Income Tax
> Reporting
> > features who can comment on whether they see similar behaviour? Are you
> on
> > ver 4.1?
> >
> > If you are on a MAC but don't use the US Income Tax features, could you
> try
> > it to see if it works OK?
> >
> > Feedback would be helpful. Tax time is now, so helping him out soon would
> > be good!
> >
> > Alex Aycinena
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[GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Peter Ratzlaff]

I've just upgraded from Ubuntu 21.10 (gnucash 3.8) to 22.04 (gnucash 
4.9), and am seeing some odd behaviour. These are just the things I 
immediately notice.




When gnucash is run without a command line argument, it no longer opens 
the most recently-opened file. The specific filename must be given each 
time.




Income accounts now have negative balances. Same for equity. Liability 
balance signs are flipped as well.




I have a saved report which generates a plot of assets over time, and 
that report no longer displays the plot. The table of values vs time is 
still printed and the numbers look correct. This seems like it could be 
some sort of unmet graphics package dependency, but there is no error 
message generated on the terminal or in the GUI.




There seems to be nothing on the "GnuCash News" page at 
https://www.gnucash.org/news.phtml, on the changes introduced in gnucash 
4.0. Is there somewhere else to find them?




Thanks for any input.
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