[GNC] FlatPak question

[Jeff]

Just a curious, do to too long of a day question [36 hours and counting, 
ain't cattle farming great during calving season!].  (I have no idea how 
some professional utility and medical staff can handle 48 hour day 
shifts frequently, multiple days in a row).


As the version numbers increase on GNC, will desktop links to specific 
sets of books still work as you upgrade via FlatPak or will they need to 
be edited?  Running Ubuntu 20.04LTS right now, and intend to keep the 
most recent stable version of GNC and Ubuntu LTS up and telling me I 
screwed up an entry.


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash 3.7 - flatpak cannot recognize second internal HDD & USB Flashdrive

[parag puranik via gnucash-user]

 Thanks David H , Frank for your valuable assistance. Ultimately, I understood 
your instructions and solved the issue.
David H - regarding the CSV file split issue, I successfully split the (.gnca) 
file after repeated iterations and spotted and then rectified the error. Thanks 
also for  guiding me on that issue.

On Monday, 8 November, 2021, 12:09:02 pm IST, David H  
wrote:  
 
 Hi Parag,
You should read the wiki re flatpak - https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Flatpak, 
specifically the following :-
How did you go with your csv file ?
Cheers David H.


Configuration

Granting Access to Other Resources

As each Flatpak app runs in a sandbox, you have to unlock additionally required 
resources like
   
   - USB Drive
  -sudo flatpak override org.gnucash.GnuCash 
--filesystem=$PATH_TO_USB_DRIVE

   - Smartcard Reader
  - To use smart cards in AqBanking  
  - on the host—your Linux PC—the demon pcscd must be running,
  - the related socket must become unlocked for your GnuCash-Flatpak once:  
sudo flatpak override org.gnucash.GnuCash --socket=pcsc



sudo may be required depending on the rest of your installation.
   
   - See also
  - https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/sandbox-permissions.html

On Mon, 8 Nov 2021 at 16:28, parag puranik via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

My existing system : Mint 19.3 Cinnamon -32 bit with latest updates - 
(installed on internal SSD) and Gnucash default version 2.6.19. I upgraded 
Gnucash through Software manager to Build : 3.7+(2019-09-07) -Flatpak. It was 
successfully installed while keeping my existing default version 2.6.19 intact. 
My Gnucash working files are stored on attached USB flash drive which I want to 
open and work upon through Menu>File>open . . . However on doing so my attached 
(i) second internal HDD and (ii) USB flash drive are not visible at all (even 
in "+other locations"). Only files in Home folder are visible.  On the other 
hand, on opening through the earlier ver 2.6.19 these devices are still very 
well visible. Why this anomaly ? and what is the solution ?
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Re: [GNC] Flathub does not install Gnucash ver. 4.10 flatpak, but only installs lower ver. 3.7

[parag puranik via gnucash-user]

  
Thanks for yourfeedback John.

(1) If the firstever version is 3.11 by Flathub, how the random version 3.7 
gotinstalled ?

(2) Gone through thetwo links. However, being new to Linux (1 year) pulling 
older releasefrom Flathub via CLI is beyond my capacity/skill level. Neither 
can Ibuild the flatpak myself.

(3) Just like allhistorical versions of Gnucash (.exe) for Windows are 
available onSourceforge, are there any archived Gnucash flatpaks for Linux ?

 

On Saturday, 23 April, 2022, 11:14:16 pm IST, john  
wrote:  
 
 


On Apr 23, 2022, at 12:16 AM, parag puranik via gnucash-user 
 wrote:
My OS: Linux Mint Tricia 19.3 Cinnamon (32 bit) - (I do not have compatible 
hardware to upgrade it.)
I tried to install the latest Flatpak version of Gnucash 4.10 from Flathub.org 
through clicking 'Install' button on its site. 
However it installs the  lower version 3.7, without even giving me warning that 
- 'instead of ver 4.10, it is installing lower ver. 3.7'. 
Please help me know the reason where I am going wrong ? 
Actually I wanted to install Flatpak of version 3.11 first- (not going straight 
to ver. 4.10 from my default repository ver. 2.6.19). But unfortunately 
Flathub.org does not have version 3.11 listed.
Alternatively, what is the 'way to go' to install latest Flatpak ver. 3.11 ? 
Is there any (.deb) installation file ? or is there any available archived 
Flatpak of ver, 3.11 ? 


That doesn't seem likely since the first flatub release was 3.11.
https://discourse.flathub.org/t/install-an-older-version-of-an-app/320/3 
explains how to get an older release from flathub and the commit history can be 
found at https://github.com/gnucash/gnucash-on-flatpak. The hash for 3.11 is 
c354cee.There are nightly builds going back to 3.4 at 
https://code.gnucash.org/builds/flatpak/maint/.
Regards,John Ralls


  
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Re: [GNC] Whole life insurance

[Michael or Penny Novack]

Not just "whole life" but any "cash value" policy.

The point here is that such insurance contracts have both a pure 
insurance component and an investment component and may have associated 
"rights" which also can be thought of as having value (that might also 
be true of term insurance, no cash value but MIGHT have associated 
rights (like the right to renew WITHOUT consideration of your medical 
condition at that future date)


My line of country, so to speak, since my decades in the cypher mines 
were the ones at MassMutual.


IF you want to keep on the books, what is suggested below more work that 
necessary. To get the annual change in cash value use the statement. 
Otherwise consider your premium payments to all be for the (pure) 
insurance component (an expense). Do not try to separate out what part 
of that is for the other components. Leave that to the actuaries who 
priced the product. Because  your annual statement will NOT allocate 
costs like David said they would. In my day I did things like the 
programs that produced the annual statements.


Just use the annual statement to enter the change in cash value without 
worrying what came from where. Part of that change is the "dividends" or 
whatever and part of that is things like the fact that you DID survive 
the year and they didn't have to pay the death benefit (yet).


Michael D Novack





On 4/23/2022 7:09 PM, davidcousen...@gmail.com wrote:

Fred,

You will need a statement from the insurance company which details what
component of the premium  credited to your bank account when you pay it) is a
contribution/increase to the capital value of the asset which is the insurance
policy (debited to the account representing the policy and which is a fee to
cover their cost of operations/profits (debited to an expense account).

They will have invested the funds you put into the policy and will pay bonuses
which add to the value of the policy (you debit the policy value by the amount
of the bonus and credit an income account by the same amount) Depending on the
tax rules for your jurisdication, that may or may not be taxable income.
Commonly this is taxed in the hands of the insurance company and not the
individual, but this may vary between jurisdictions.

Most companies will send you periodic statements detailing the increase in value
of your policy, the premiums paid, and bonuses paid from which you can calculate
the required quantities.

The easiest way to handle this is to use an asset account for the policy with
individual subaccounts for the premiums paid, administrative charges and the
bonus payments.

When you pay the premiums you credit your bank account and debit the premium
subaccount,

when you receive a statement work out the difference between the increase in
poliycvalue (bfeore bonuses) and the premiums paid and credit the sub account
for administrative costs and debit an appropriate expense account for that
amount.

Similarly with te bonus amounts debit the account for bonuses and credit
theincome account ( taxable or not as appropriate).


david Cousens


On Sat, 2022-04-23 at 10:40 -0700, Fred Tydeman wrote:

Suggestions on how to record for whole life insurance:
   Premiums paid
   Increase in cash value
   Future death benefit

  I think some of that is like the Degas painting example in the Tutorial in
that the increase in cash value is an Unrealized Gain.
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Re: [GNC] Whole life insurance

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Fred,

You will need a statement from the insurance company which details what
component of the premium  credited to your bank account when you pay it) is a
contribution/increase to the capital value of the asset which is the insurance
policy (debited to the account representing the policy and which is a fee to
cover their cost of operations/profits (debited to an expense account). 

They will have invested the funds you put into the policy and will pay bonuses
which add to the value of the policy (you debit the policy value by the amount
of the bonus and credit an income account by the same amount) Depending on the
tax rules for your jurisdication, that may or may not be taxable income.
Commonly this is taxed in the hands of the insurance company and not the
individual, but this may vary between jurisdictions. 

Most companies will send you periodic statements detailing the increase in value
of your policy, the premiums paid, and bonuses paid from which you can calculate
the required quantities.

The easiest way to handle this is to use an asset account for the policy with
individual subaccounts for the premiums paid, administrative charges and the
bonus payments.

When you pay the premiums you credit your bank account and debit the premium
subaccount,

when you receive a statement work out the difference between the increase in
poliycvalue (bfeore bonuses) and the premiums paid and credit the sub account
for administrative costs and debit an appropriate expense account for that
amount.

Similarly with te bonus amounts debit the account for bonuses and credit
theincome account ( taxable or not as appropriate).


david Cousens


On Sat, 2022-04-23 at 10:40 -0700, Fred Tydeman wrote:
> Suggestions on how to record for whole life insurance:
>   Premiums paid
>   Increase in cash value
>   Future death benefit
> 
>  I think some of that is like the Degas painting example in the Tutorial in
> that the increase in cash value is an Unrealized Gain.
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Re: [GNC] Question about transfers

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 4/22/2022 11:35 PM, john wrote:

Quicken isn't really an accounting app. Intuit's offering in that space is 
Quickbooks. That means that how you used Quicken isn't directly transferable to 
GnuCash. If being able to use a Free Software alternative to Quicken the same way you 
use Quicken is important to you then have a look at KMyMoney: https://kmymoney.org/ 


To accomplish what I think you're trying to do in "real" accounting requires 
two special accounts: An asset account to collect the money reserved for the payment and 
a liability account to accumulate the accrual. For your property tax example, suppose you 
owe 1200 every six month, but you want to record the expense and make a reservation 
monthly. You'll create two accounts: Assets:Current Assets:Provision for Property Tax and 
Liabliltues:Current Liabilities:Accrued Property Tax. Every month you'll create a 
transaction that looks something like:


I think perhaps the real issue is the different types of information.

ONE sort of information is the actual transactions.

But it is not the only sort of information. We also may need 
"prospective" information. I think here the specific question is along 
the lines of "at some future time will a bank account contain enough to 
pay for some expense. Here you are thinking about a a specific actual 
transfer, but it could also be a scheduled transfer (scheduled to take 
place before the check for the expense must be written; when THAT is 
scheduled to happen).


Look at the possibilities of the "cash flow" report.

Michael D Novack

PS:Understand, you are thinking of JUST this one future expense, but you 
want the bank account to contain enough for ANY future expense and 
although you have only one, you could have many.



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Re: [GNC] Why is “Licenses and Permits” Charges, not Expenses?

[Jim DeLaHunt]

On 2022-04-23 09:13, Howard M. Fried wrote:

In my (business) account hierarchy, all Expenses are listed as 
positive numbers (in black).  However, the Expense category Licenses 
and Permits is displayed as a negative number (in red).  In the list 
of transactions, the amount column is labeled Expenses for all 
(in-use) expense categories, except Licenses and Permits, for which 
the amount column is labeled Charges.


I suggest you double-check the Account Type for the "Licenses and 
Permits" account. You can do this from the Accounts tab, by clicking on 
the account and pressing the Edit button. An Edit Account dialogue 
appears. In the bottom left corner of this dialogue, there is a list, 
"Account Type". In an expense hierarchy, only the types Income and 
Expense will be listed. If Income is highlighted, change it to Expense.


The clue is that use of the term "Charges". In an Income account, the 
left amount column is titled "Charge", and the right is titled "Income". 
In an Expense account, the left amount column is titled "Expense", and 
the right is titled "Rebate".


Does this help?

Best regards,
   —Jim DeLaHunt

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Re: [GNC] Tip of the day - dates

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Hi,

Am 23.04.22 um 19:30 schrieb David T. via gnucash-user:
> I don't know what the tip currently says. The full information is placed in 
> https://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/txns-shortcuts1.html. Honestly, 
> I think tips are meant to suggest possibilities, rather than give exhaustive 
> guidance. But that is just my opinion. 
> 
> I believe there's a place on the project git for managing the tips. You could 
> suggest a change there. 

Can you follow https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Simple_Pull_Request and
change
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/doc/tip_of_the_day.list.c#L75
ff?

Regards
Frank

> As for the implementation of the shortcuts, you'd have to change the code for 
> that, I assume. I'd also assume it could be a minor change. I'll note that 
> the increment functions behave the way you're describing (i.e., repeatedly 
> invoking them keeps the dates changing). Changing this behavior would of 
> necessity change how they are described as well. 
> 
> David T.
> 
> 
> 
> On April 23, 2022 11:23:49 AM EDT, Fred Tydeman  
> wrote:
>> The Tip of the Day entry for dates should be expanded to include:
>> M = beginning of Month
>> H = end of montH
>> Y = beginning of Year
>> R = end of yeaR
>> Are there any others?
>>
>> It would be nice if pressing MM went back two months,
>> instead of doing M-M.  Same for HH instead of H+H.

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Re: [GNC] Why does an Equity account have to be of Currency type?

[Jim DeLaHunt]

On 2022-04-23 02:46, km22 wrote:


…I am starting a new Gnucash file for a simple "mock" trust.  The trust
holds physical assets (like stamps and coins and other collectibles).  I
want to represent the contributions to this trust in the form of these
assets.  However, when I try to create new Equity accounts for the
contributions it only allows me to use "Currency" type assets.…


Your Gnucash usage question leads me to an accounting question. And I am 
not an accountant, so my ignorance is likely vast. However…


Why should the accounts which track the physical assets be Equity 
accounts?  Why not make them Asset accounts?


And then, David Cousens points out that what you need to track physical 
assets is an inventory application, and GnuCash is not an inventory 
application. How does that inform your use of GnuCash?



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Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 229, Issue 39

[Chris Skudder]

   Ken,
   You can hold other "commodities" (in addition to currencies) in
   INVESTMENT acct's - which are asset accounts, rather than equity accts.
   I think the contribution of an asset like stamps, bitcoin, etc would be
   recorded with an "opening balance" entry which credits the equity
   account, balancing with a debit (increase) to the investment asset
   account.
   Chris
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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 21:10:03 +1000
From: [1]davidcousen...@gmail.com
To: [2]gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Why does an Equity account have to be of Currency
type?
Message-ID: [3]<562e2258bd573a8cffb2e690e2eaae3da31333bf.ca...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Ken

All accounts have a currency associated with them. When you hold an asset, you
hold it at a value in a particular currency, not as an item of indeterminate
value. You would require an inventory (which GnuCash does not have to hold the
items and in inventory accounting each item still has a value, usually its cost
to either buy or produce which is used to calculate the value of the items held
in the corresponding inventory account. An inventory account would not
dissimilar to a stock account.

David Cosuens

On Sat, 2022-04-23 at 17:46 +0800, km22 wrote:

Hi,

I am starting a new Gnucash file for a simple "mock" trust.  The trust
holds physical assets (like stamps and coins and other collectibles).  I
want to represent the contributions to this trust in the form of these
assets.  However, when I try to create new Equity accounts for the
contributions it only allows me to use "Currency" type assets.  I don't
understand why Gnucash would force this limitation.  Why wouldn't a user
be allowed to use any asset type they wish (stocks, bitcoin,
collectables) and not solely the ISO cash types?

A screenshot of the issue is attached.

Thanks,
Ken

References

   1. mailto:davidcousen...@gmail.com
   2. mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org
   3. mailto:562e2258bd573a8cffb2e690e2eaae3da31333bf.ca...@gmail.com
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Re: [GNC] Documentation changes needed

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Phillip, 

Good to hear that someone is interested in working on the documentation! 

Gnucash uses Bugzilla (bugs.gnucash.org) to suggest enhancements and fix bugs, 
and the documentation has its own section there. You will find that there are 
numerous documentation bugs and enhancements outstanding there. 

There is also a good bit of information on the wiki on how changes to the 
documentation are created, edited, submitted, and approved. See, for example, 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Documentation_Improvement. Any rewrites you do 
will of necessity follow those guidelines. 

I'll note that the Gnucash documentation also includes the Help Manual-- and 
that information about Gnucash's use can also reside there. There has been a 
longstanding difference of opinion about what information should go into the 
Guide versus the Help, and there are areas that duplicate information. 

As for the bifurcation between the Tutorial and Concepts within the Guide, I 
think that early writers focused on the Tutorial side of things, whereas later 
authors (myself included) have focused more on the concepts side. How that all 
turns out is certainly open for discussion. 

As for specifics, updates from a fresh perspective are welcome. I'll admit I 
haven't given the Guide a close read for a while now.

Your comments about Finance::Quote, however, I'd suggest fit better as wiki 
material. Getting stock quotes, while certainly a useful proposition in a 
financial system, are technically outside of the formal accounting. Also, there 
are plenty of ways to get valuations without F::Q. Furthermore, Macos users 
constitute only a portion of the Gnucash user base, and OS-specific 
instructions like yours have been addressed in the wiki much more effectively. 
So, on the whole, I'd put those on the wiki. You might have a look at 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Online_Quotes

Let me know if you have questions. 

Best, 
David T.

On April 22, 2022 3:51:37 AM EDT, Phillip Duff  wrote:
>Hi,
>
>
>Issue 1:
>
>
>
>For whoever is responsible for your documentation.
>
>I spent 40 years in IT companies in a variety of roles and now retired , I 
>will offer to rewrite and assist in your documentation. In reviewing your 
>documentation I think there are a number of improvements that I can offer, and 
>my first experience with your software is positive, but the documentation can 
>be a bit frustrating, hence my offer. Don’t get me wrong, there is some good 
>stuff here , but I believe I can help you improve it a lot. I am looking for a 
>project in my retirement and this is certainly one which would be fun.
>
>Here a couple of examples:
>
>There is a Tutorial and Concepts guide and also a Contents section. Firstly, 
>split the Tutorial and Concepts Guide into the two pieces as they have 
>different purposes (or at a minimum change the name to Concepts and Tutorial 
>as the Concepts ALWAYS come first.
>
>If we look at this guide currently, we see for example it is pretty well laid 
>out and explained but it does present some problems. Here is a simple example.
>
>In Chapter 2.3 we have a section that is in the intro section, but then 
>immediately launches into how to do things. So it describes how to enter new 
>accounts in detail, and talks about panels etc (which if it is going to, it 
>should show examples). The problem is this is supposed to be an intro section 
>and only gives some of the info, not all the info you need if you are actually 
>going to do this. On the next page we go into all sorts of detail about 
>storage, yet this is supposed to be an intro section, so I have gone from 
>detailed description of setting up accounts to tech detail on how to store. 
>Then in 2.2.2 we have again detailed instructions on doing things. Then in 2.7 
>we have a tutorial, great, so this tells how to set up accounts for example, 
>but it does not deal with the fact that Opening balances can also be set up by 
>editing an account. Then in 2.8 we start the introduction to what accounts are 
>when we have already told the user how to set them up in 2.3 and then again in 
>the tutorial 2.7. The intro to accounts should be before any explanation of 
>how to set them up, and it must only be in one place to ensure that you don’t 
>get documentation synch issues.
>
>So here is an example of the impact and a much bigger issue, which is that 
>documentation should reflect the recommenced workflow of how to achieve a 
>goal, not a description of what the system can do. Whilst an attempt has been 
>made to do this, it isn’t quite right and here is what happens.
>
>I read this intro and thought , OK, I get it. Then I went to set up my 
>accounts. Now when you set up accounts you are focused on setting them up, NOT 
>adding opening balances, which is a different act. So I set them up according 
>to the documentation , but which 2.2, 2.7 or as I did, I went to Section 5 as 
>this is the section called Common Usage and there is a section on accounts, 
>BUT it

Re: [GNC] Flathub does not install Gnucash ver. 4.10 flatpak, but only installs lower ver. 3.7

[john]

> On Apr 23, 2022, at 12:16 AM, parag puranik via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> My OS: Linux Mint Tricia 19.3 Cinnamon (32 bit) - (I do not have compatible 
> hardware to upgrade it.)
> I tried to install the latest Flatpak version of Gnucash 4.10 from 
> Flathub.org through clicking 'Install' button on its site. 
> However it installs the  lower version 3.7, without even giving me warning 
> that - 'instead of ver 4.10, it is installing lower ver. 3.7'. 
> Please help me know the reason where I am going wrong ? 
> Actually I wanted to install Flatpak of version 3.11 first- (not going 
> straight to ver. 4.10 from my default repository ver. 2.6.19). But 
> unfortunately Flathub.org does not have version 3.11 listed.
> Alternatively, what is the 'way to go' to install latest Flatpak ver. 3.11 ? 
> Is there any (.deb) installation file ? or is there any available archived 
> Flatpak of ver, 3.11 ? 

That doesn't seem likely since the first flatub release was 3.11.

https://discourse.flathub.org/t/install-an-older-version-of-an-app/320/3 
 
explains how to get an older release from flathub and the commit history can be 
found at https://github.com/gnucash/gnucash-on-flatpak 
. The hash for 3.11 is c354cee.
There are nightly builds going back to 3.4 at 
https://code.gnucash.org/builds/flatpak/maint/ 
.

Regards,
John Ralls



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[GNC] Whole life insurance

[Fred Tydeman]

Suggestions on how to record for whole life insurance:
  Premiums paid
  Increase in cash value
  Future death benefit

 I think some of that is like the Degas painting example in the Tutorial in
that the increase in cash value is an Unrealized Gain.
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Re: [GNC] Tip of the day - dates

[David T. via gnucash-user]

I don't know what the tip currently says. The full information is placed in 
https://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/txns-shortcuts1.html. Honestly, I 
think tips are meant to suggest possibilities, rather than give exhaustive 
guidance. But that is just my opinion. 

I believe there's a place on the project git for managing the tips. You could 
suggest a change there. 

As for the implementation of the shortcuts, you'd have to change the code for 
that, I assume. I'd also assume it could be a minor change. I'll note that the 
increment functions behave the way you're describing (i.e., repeatedly invoking 
them keeps the dates changing). Changing this behavior would of necessity 
change how they are described as well. 

David T.



On April 23, 2022 11:23:49 AM EDT, Fred Tydeman  wrote:
>The Tip of the Day entry for dates should be expanded to include:
> M = beginning of Month
> H = end of montH
> Y = beginning of Year
> R = end of yeaR
>Are there any others?
>
>It would be nice if pressing MM went back two months,
>instead of doing M-M.  Same for HH instead of H+H.
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Re: [GNC] Question about transfers

[Brad]

I like the idea of using sub-accounts.  I will test it out and report back.
Thanks.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 7:37 PM David H  wrote:
>
> Brad,
>
> If I were to do this I think I'd look at creating sub-accounts under the 
> Transfer To account - i.e.
>
> Assets >> Current Assets >> Transfer To Account  >> Groceries
> Assets >> Current Assets >> Transfer To Account  >> Utilities
> Assets >> Current Assets >> Transfer To Account  >> etc
>
> This tells you how much you transferred to each and also includes the balance 
> of the sub accounts in the Transfer To account.
>
> cheers David H.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 07:39, Brad  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> I am new to GnuCash and to this list.  I am a long, long time Quicken
>> user who has finally gotten fed up with Quicken and I am in the midst
>> of converting to GnuCash.
>>
>> My question is regarding transfer of funds from one account to
>> another.  I want to transfer funds from one account to another, but I
>> also want to track the transfer amount against an expense account so I
>> can keep track separately of how much I have transferred for different
>> reasons.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas?  I'm guessing it involves a split transaction
>> of some sort, but I can't figure out what the pieces of the split look
>> like.
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>> Brad
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[GNC] Why is “Licenses and Permits” Charges, not Expenses?

[Howard M. Fried]

Mac OS 10.15, Gnucash ver 4.4

In my (business) account hierarchy, all Expenses are listed as positive 
numbers (in black).  However, the Expense category Licenses and Permits 
is displayed as a negative number (in red).  In the list of 
transactions, the amount column is labeled Expenses for all (in-use) 
expense categories, except Licenses and Permits, for which the amount 
column is labeled Charges.


Nevertheless, the total of Expenses includes the amount for Licenses and 
Permits.


Why the difference (it doesn't seem to matter)?  Have I set up my 
account incorrectly?


Many thanks,
Howard
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[GNC] Tip of the day - dates

[Fred Tydeman]

The Tip of the Day entry for dates should be expanded to include:
 M = beginning of Month
 H = end of montH
 Y = beginning of Year
 R = end of yeaR
Are there any others?

It would be nice if pressing MM went back two months,
instead of doing M-M.  Same for HH instead of H+H.
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Re: [GNC] Why does an Equity account have to be of Currency type?

[davidcousens49]

Ken

All accounts have a currency associated with them. When you hold an asset, you
hold it at a value in a particular currency, not as an item of indeterminate
value. You would require an inventory (which GnuCash does not have to hold the
items and in inventory accounting each item still has a value, usually its cost
to either buy or produce which is used to calculate the value of the items held
in the corresponding inventory account. An inventory account would not
dissimilar to a stock account.

David Cosuens

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> Hi,
> 
> I am starting a new Gnucash file for a simple "mock" trust.  The trust
> holds physical assets (like stamps and coins and other collectibles).  I
> want to represent the contributions to this trust in the form of these
> assets.  However, when I try to create new Equity accounts for the
> contributions it only allows me to use "Currency" type assets.  I don't
> understand why Gnucash would force this limitation.  Why wouldn't a user
> be allowed to use any asset type they wish (stocks, bitcoin,
> collectables) and not solely the ISO cash types?
> 
> A screenshot of the issue is attached.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ken
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[GNC] Why does an Equity account have to be of Currency type?

[km22]

Hi,

I am starting a new Gnucash file for a simple "mock" trust.  The trust
holds physical assets (like stamps and coins and other collectibles).  I
want to represent the contributions to this trust in the form of these
assets.  However, when I try to create new Equity accounts for the
contributions it only allows me to use "Currency" type assets.  I don't
understand why Gnucash would force this limitation.  Why wouldn't a user
be allowed to use any asset type they wish (stocks, bitcoin,
collectables) and not solely the ISO cash types?

A screenshot of the issue is attached.

Thanks,

Ken

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[GNC] Documentation changes needed

[Phillip Duff]

Hi,


Issue 1:



For whoever is responsible for your documentation.

I spent 40 years in IT companies in a variety of roles and now retired , I will 
offer to rewrite and assist in your documentation. In reviewing your 
documentation I think there are a number of improvements that I can offer, and 
my first experience with your software is positive, but the documentation can 
be a bit frustrating, hence my offer. Don’t get me wrong, there is some good 
stuff here , but I believe I can help you improve it a lot. I am looking for a 
project in my retirement and this is certainly one which would be fun.

Here a couple of examples:

There is a Tutorial and Concepts guide and also a Contents section. Firstly, 
split the Tutorial and Concepts Guide into the two pieces as they have 
different purposes (or at a minimum change the name to Concepts and Tutorial as 
the Concepts ALWAYS come first.

If we look at this guide currently, we see for example it is pretty well laid 
out and explained but it does present some problems. Here is a simple example.

In Chapter 2.3 we have a section that is in the intro section, but then 
immediately launches into how to do things. So it describes how to enter new 
accounts in detail, and talks about panels etc (which if it is going to, it 
should show examples). The problem is this is supposed to be an intro section 
and only gives some of the info, not all the info you need if you are actually 
going to do this. On the next page we go into all sorts of detail about 
storage, yet this is supposed to be an intro section, so I have gone from 
detailed description of setting up accounts to tech detail on how to store. 
Then in 2.2.2 we have again detailed instructions on doing things. Then in 2.7 
we have a tutorial, great, so this tells how to set up accounts for example, 
but it does not deal with the fact that Opening balances can also be set up by 
editing an account. Then in 2.8 we start the introduction to what accounts are 
when we have already told the user how to set them up in 2.3 and then again in 
the tutorial 2.7. The intro to accounts should be before any explanation of how 
to set them up, and it must only be in one place to ensure that you don’t get 
documentation synch issues.

So here is an example of the impact and a much bigger issue, which is that 
documentation should reflect the recommenced workflow of how to achieve a goal, 
not a description of what the system can do. Whilst an attempt has been made to 
do this, it isn’t quite right and here is what happens.

I read this intro and thought , OK, I get it. Then I went to set up my 
accounts. Now when you set up accounts you are focused on setting them up, NOT 
adding opening balances, which is a different act. So I set them up according 
to the documentation , but which 2.2, 2.7 or as I did, I went to Section 5 as 
this is the section called Common Usage and there is a section on accounts, BUT 
it does not tell the user the critical thing, which is that you can edit an 
account and add the opening balance, so therefore, I wasted lots of time trying 
to find how to do it. Also section 5 is wrong by not telling this, and 
suggesting you can do an opening transaction with a transfer against opening 
balances  (this actually is not possible at all, as when you try it, the equity 
accounts are not shown in the dropdown list, so the documentation is not 
correct.

So all in all this very simple thing was really annoying, but only due to the 
documentation, not the software.

So I would rewrite this for you as follows.

Move section 2.3 Running GNUcash. You are in the middle of explaining the 
basics so don’t dive into how to use the system and dive out again to concepts 
in 2.8, as previously described. All the instructions on HOW to do things 
should be in the tutorial.

Combine 2.3.2 New Account Hierarchy Setup with 2.7 tutorial and Section 5, and 
only cover everything once in in one place. Ensure that ALL the information 
regarding Opening Balances is covered.

More critically the tutorial will show that you set up your account hierarchy 
first and THEN you load your opening balances (and mention in passing that you 
can add the opening balances if you like when setting ups the accounts (but I 
have never seen an accountant do that !).

So the above is a simple example. I completely understand how open source works 
with multiple contributors but if we cleaned up a lot of this as a good 
starting point it would be far easier. (And of course my next example is that 
getting Finance::Quote going relies of technical knowledge which a lot of 
people may not have and may not need. The instructions can be dramatically 
improved.

Note that some of the other later sections looks pretty good, and may not need 
this level of change.

I suggest the following.

If you agree I will rewrite the introduction sections to show you an example of 
what I believe would be significant improvement, easier to read and find the 
inf

[GNC] Flathub does not install Gnucash ver. 4.10 flatpak, but only installs lower ver. 3.7

[parag puranik via gnucash-user]

My OS: Linux Mint Tricia 19.3 Cinnamon (32 bit) - (I do not have compatible 
hardware to upgrade it.)
I tried to install the latest Flatpak version of Gnucash 4.10 from Flathub.org 
through clicking 'Install' button on its site. 
However it installs the  lower version 3.7, without even giving me warning that 
- 'instead of ver 4.10, it is installing lower ver. 3.7'. 
Please help me know the reason where I am going wrong ? 
Actually I wanted to install Flatpak of version 3.11 first- (not going straight 
to ver. 4.10 from my default repository ver. 2.6.19). But unfortunately 
Flathub.org does not have version 3.11 listed.
Alternatively, what is the 'way to go' to install latest Flatpak ver. 3.11 ? 
Is there any (.deb) installation file ? or is there any available archived 
Flatpak of ver, 3.11 ? 
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