Re: [GNC] Fails under newest Ubuntu

[Stephen M. Butler]

On 4/30/22 15:40, David H wrote:

Steve FYI,

Re-compiled and working now although I did have to add the following 
to my build script..


sudo git config --global --add safe.directory $SOURCEDIR

Cheers David H.



Cmake was building files in my gnucash git clone directory.  I ended up 
having to destroy and download a whole new clone.  That seems to have 
fixed whatever strange problem cmake was having.   Make is currently 
compiling and I hope that finishes here in the next few minutes.


I'll have to pull up the git docs and figure out what your command line 
does and why it might be needed.


--Steve

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[GNC] Tab in Reconcile window

[Fred Tydeman]

The Tip of the Day says that Tab and Shift-Tab should move between
deposits and withdrawals in the reconcile window.  For me, they appear
to be ignored -- I have to mouse click between windows/panes.
I am running Fedora Linux, Gnucash 4.10.
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Re: [GNC] N00b accounting q: opening balances

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 4/30/2022 10:32 AM, John Edward Hynes wrote
 
 Hi list,I’m very new to accounting and gnucash.  In setting up a hypothetical business, I have a question about opening balances:I entered $1000 in the equity opening balances account, transfer to current assets checking.  I also added the savings opening balance, and machinery starting book value, in the same way.Shouldn’t the open balances equity zero out after appearing in the “target” accounts correctly?  There’s no imbalance, everything looks fine, except that opening equity account doesn’t decrease.  Should it, or is this normal?Thanks!
 
  


Like Gyle said.

BUT I will add that since you appear new to double entry bookkeeping you 
should not skip over reading/understanding the tutorial and even better 
would be reading a "bookkeeping 101" type text. We can help you with the 
"how" but you need at least some idea of the :what" you are doing.


Gnucash is automating what was once a pen and ink on paper process and 
further, providing a shortcut for the simplest (but usually the vast 
majority) transactions << no need to enter first in the "journal"* >> 
And when you ARE entering journal style does the "posting" for you << 
this was a very error prone process in the days of manual bookkeeping >>


BTW1 -- kudos to you for setting up this "test" business entity as a way 
of learning how to use gnucash.


BTW2 -- Examples in a text will probably not show starting with "opening 
balances" but instead will show "opening transaction(s)". You can do 
this with gnucash also. Ignore specifying any opening balances creating 
your CoA with all accounts zero and then opening the books with opening 
transaction(s).


Michael D Novack


* -- you WILL in effect be using "journal entry" when entering a "split" 
transaction although this is more of a "view" since the journal is 
virtual. IF you are looking at a bookkeeping text to learn from, you CAN 
choose this view even for all transactions (even the simple ones) to 
mimic examples in your chosen text when they are showing entering into 
the journal << but "posting" you can forget about, THAT is one of the 
things gnucash is automating >>


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Re: [GNC] Fails under newest Ubuntu

[David H]

Steve FYI,

Re-compiled and working now although I did have to add the following to my
build script..

sudo git config --global --add safe.directory $SOURCEDIR

Cheers David H.


On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 at 07:00, Stephen M. Butler <
stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks.  I saw last night that it was v70.  Will compile this afternoon
> (other higher priority items on my list so far today).
>
> --Steve
>
> On 4/29/22 03:39, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote:
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > if this is your self-build GnuCash, you will have to rebuilt it after
> > updating your -devel packages.
> >
> > According https://repology.org/project/icu/versions Ubuntu updated to
> > 70.1 while older versions used 67.1.
> >
> > Regards
> > Frank
> >
> > Am 28.04.22 um 23:06 schrieb Stephen M. Butler:
> >> Just upgraded to Ubuntu 22.04.  Gnucash will not load:
> >>
> >> gnucash: error while loading shared libraries: libicuuc.so.67: cannot
> >> open shared object file: No such file or directory
> >>
> >> I will have to track down what happened with that library.  May have to
> >> compile again.
> >>
> >> --Steve
> >>
>
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Re: [GNC] GNC Fails to load Data File

[davidcousens49]

David, Bruce
The type Spreadsheet is the same independent of whether the data file is stored
in sqlite3  or xml format on Linux. I can't test the other database formats at
this point.

David Cousens

On Sun, 2022-05-01 at 06:42 +1000, David H wrote:
> Bruce,
> 
> To me the screenshot of your file name "AL.gnucash" with a type
> of "Spreadsheet" implied that you were just using the standard default
> GnuCash xml backup - is this not the case ?
> 
> Cheers David H,
> 
> On Sun, 1 May 2022 at 04:54, Bruce Irving  wrote:
> 
> > Thank you, Derek.
> > That is another thing I will check Monday
> > Bruce
> > 
> > On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 7:16 AM Derek Atkins  wrote:
> > 
> > > Most likely you're using the SQL backend, and it sounds like you might not
> > > have the right SQL Drivers installed on Debian.  If you're using SQLite,
> > > then make sure you have the dbi dbd sqlite driver installed.
> > > 
> > > -derek
> > > 
> > > On Sat, April 30, 2022 8:56 am, Bruce Irving wrote:
> > > > David H.:  Thank you.  I'll try that when I get back to the office
> > > Monday.
> > > > I had tried a Reinstall from Synaptic but that didn't help.  I've tried
> > > > several times to compiling but always hit some snag that my inexperience
> > > > couldn't overcome.  While flatpaks have improved, it still has still a
> > > few
> > > > annoying idiosyncrasies.  If this doesn't work, I'll probably return to
> > > > flatpak.
> > > > 
> > > > David Cousins:  The first time, I did navigate to the data file and
> > > double
> > > > clicked it as was my usual method of opening it.  When that didn't
> > > work, I
> > > > stated gnucash and used file/open.  Both ways gave the same error.
> > > > 
> > > > I do appreciate your suggestions.
> > > > 
> > > > Bruce
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:54 PM David H  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Bruce,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Did you have a previous Debian install of gnucash - maybe try
> > > > > uninstalling and re-installing the debian version - perhaps following
> > > > > the
> > > > > uninstall instructions at
> > > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Uninstall_Gnucash_Linux ...  You could
> > > > > also
> > > > > see if restarting solves anything.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Why would you go back from probably the latest version available in
> > > > > Flatpak
> > > > > (4.10) to a version that's almost 18 months old (4.4) and 6 major
> > > > > releases
> > > > > ago with a lot of bug fixes and enhancements in between ?  Personally
> > > > > I
> > > > > would have stuck with the Flatpak version which obviously worked.  If
> > > > > the
> > > > > Flatpak sandboxing is causing an issue for you perhaps you should
> > > > > consider
> > > > > compiling it yourself ?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cheers David H.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 at 04:52, Bruce Irving 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > I have been using Flatpak for GNC when I discovered that a version
> > > > > > is
> > > > > in
> > > > > > the Debian which I installed. and removed the flatpak files.  when I
> > > > > went
> > > > > > to open my data file either by double clicking the data files or
> > > > > > Open
> > > > > from
> > > > > > GNC: No suitable backend was found for ... (See attached)
> > > > > > This is Version: 4.4
> > > > > > Build ID: 4.4+(2020-12-28)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The file did open in latest flatpak
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Bruce
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Re: [GNC] GNC Fails to load Data File

[David H]

Bruce,

To me the screenshot of your file name "AL.gnucash" with a type
of "Spreadsheet" implied that you were just using the standard default
GnuCash xml backup - is this not the case ?

Cheers David H,

On Sun, 1 May 2022 at 04:54, Bruce Irving  wrote:

> Thank you, Derek.
> That is another thing I will check Monday
> Bruce
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 7:16 AM Derek Atkins  wrote:
>
>> Most likely you're using the SQL backend, and it sounds like you might not
>> have the right SQL Drivers installed on Debian.  If you're using SQLite,
>> then make sure you have the dbi dbd sqlite driver installed.
>>
>> -derek
>>
>> On Sat, April 30, 2022 8:56 am, Bruce Irving wrote:
>> > David H.:  Thank you.  I'll try that when I get back to the office
>> Monday.
>> > I had tried a Reinstall from Synaptic but that didn't help.  I've tried
>> > several times to compiling but always hit some snag that my inexperience
>> > couldn't overcome.  While flatpaks have improved, it still has still a
>> few
>> > annoying idiosyncrasies.  If this doesn't work, I'll probably return to
>> > flatpak.
>> >
>> > David Cousins:  The first time, I did navigate to the data file and
>> double
>> > clicked it as was my usual method of opening it.  When that didn't
>> work, I
>> > stated gnucash and used file/open.  Both ways gave the same error.
>> >
>> > I do appreciate your suggestions.
>> >
>> > Bruce
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:54 PM David H  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Bruce,
>> >>
>> >> Did you have a previous Debian install of gnucash - maybe try
>> >> uninstalling and re-installing the debian version - perhaps following
>> >> the
>> >> uninstall instructions at
>> >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Uninstall_Gnucash_Linux ...  You could
>> >> also
>> >> see if restarting solves anything.
>> >>
>> >> Why would you go back from probably the latest version available in
>> >> Flatpak
>> >> (4.10) to a version that's almost 18 months old (4.4) and 6 major
>> >> releases
>> >> ago with a lot of bug fixes and enhancements in between ?  Personally I
>> >> would have stuck with the Flatpak version which obviously worked.  If
>> >> the
>> >> Flatpak sandboxing is causing an issue for you perhaps you should
>> >> consider
>> >> compiling it yourself ?
>> >>
>> >> Cheers David H.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 at 04:52, Bruce Irving 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I have been using Flatpak for GNC when I discovered that a version is
>> >> in
>> >> > the Debian which I installed. and removed the flatpak files.  when I
>> >> went
>> >> > to open my data file either by double clicking the data files or Open
>> >> from
>> >> > GNC: No suitable backend was found for ... (See attached)
>> >> > This is Version: 4.4
>> >> > Build ID: 4.4+(2020-12-28)
>> >> >
>> >> > The file did open in latest flatpak
>> >> >
>> >> > Bruce
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Re: [GNC] GNC Fails to load Data File

[Bruce Irving]

Thank you, Derek.
That is another thing I will check Monday
Bruce

On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 7:16 AM Derek Atkins  wrote:

> Most likely you're using the SQL backend, and it sounds like you might not
> have the right SQL Drivers installed on Debian.  If you're using SQLite,
> then make sure you have the dbi dbd sqlite driver installed.
>
> -derek
>
> On Sat, April 30, 2022 8:56 am, Bruce Irving wrote:
> > David H.:  Thank you.  I'll try that when I get back to the office
> Monday.
> > I had tried a Reinstall from Synaptic but that didn't help.  I've tried
> > several times to compiling but always hit some snag that my inexperience
> > couldn't overcome.  While flatpaks have improved, it still has still a
> few
> > annoying idiosyncrasies.  If this doesn't work, I'll probably return to
> > flatpak.
> >
> > David Cousins:  The first time, I did navigate to the data file and
> double
> > clicked it as was my usual method of opening it.  When that didn't work,
> I
> > stated gnucash and used file/open.  Both ways gave the same error.
> >
> > I do appreciate your suggestions.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:54 PM David H  wrote:
> >
> >> Bruce,
> >>
> >> Did you have a previous Debian install of gnucash - maybe try
> >> uninstalling and re-installing the debian version - perhaps following
> >> the
> >> uninstall instructions at
> >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Uninstall_Gnucash_Linux ...  You could
> >> also
> >> see if restarting solves anything.
> >>
> >> Why would you go back from probably the latest version available in
> >> Flatpak
> >> (4.10) to a version that's almost 18 months old (4.4) and 6 major
> >> releases
> >> ago with a lot of bug fixes and enhancements in between ?  Personally I
> >> would have stuck with the Flatpak version which obviously worked.  If
> >> the
> >> Flatpak sandboxing is causing an issue for you perhaps you should
> >> consider
> >> compiling it yourself ?
> >>
> >> Cheers David H.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 at 04:52, Bruce Irving 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have been using Flatpak for GNC when I discovered that a version is
> >> in
> >> > the Debian which I installed. and removed the flatpak files.  when I
> >> went
> >> > to open my data file either by double clicking the data files or Open
> >> from
> >> > GNC: No suitable backend was found for ... (See attached)
> >> > This is Version: 4.4
> >> > Build ID: 4.4+(2020-12-28)
> >> >
> >> > The file did open in latest flatpak
> >> >
> >> > Bruce
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Re: [GNC] Minor issue that's becoming an irritant...

[William Prescott]

For the record, this is not a problem with Gnucash 4.10 on MacOS 12.3. The 
menus are on the same monitor as the Gnucash window.

Will

On 2022 Apr 30, at 04-30 05:50:55, Frank H. Ellenberger 
 wrote:

Hi,

please watch Bug 797070 - With multiple monitors, menus only open in one
monitor, regardless of which monitor GnuCash window is located
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797070

Regards
Frank

Am 29.04.22 um 19:10 schrieb Christopher Chase:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a brand new user to GnuCash.  I have a 3 monitor setup and GnuCash
> *INSISTS* on opening on the left monitor.  It seems like a minor issue, but
> it's getting really annoying.
> 
> I'm using Windows 10.  I've googled how to get an app to open on a specific
> monitor, but it doesn't work.  I've verified which monitor is primary for
> Windows.  I've uninstalled GnuCash, deleted every hidden directory and file
> I could find in AppData, cleaned out the registry, etc., even disconnected
> the other monitors before reinstalling.  Once I reconnect all the monitors,
> GnuCash opens on the left monitor.  I don't have this problem with any
> other app.
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Re: [GNC] N00b accounting q: opening balances

[Gyle McCollam]

In double entry accounting you have a Debit and a Credit for each transaction.  
In your case you debited your Checking account and credited Equity, you didn't 
actually "transfer" the money.  Same goes for savings and machinery.  The 
opening balance each increased your equity in your "hypothetical businesss".  
Seems like you did everything correctly.


Thank You,
Gyle McCollam

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From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of John Edward Hynes 
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2022 10:32 AM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: [GNC] N00b accounting q: opening balances





Hi list,I’m very new to accounting and gnucash.  In setting up a 
hypothetical business, I have a question about opening balances:I entered $1000 
in the equity opening balances account, transfer to current assets checking.  I 
also added the savings opening balance, and machinery starting book value, in 
the same way.Shouldn’t the open balances equity zero out after appearing in the 
“target” accounts correctly?  There’s no imbalance, everything looks fine, 
except that opening equity account doesn’t decrease.  Should it, or is this 
normal?Thanks!








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Re: [GNC] Documentation changes needed

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Frank,

I disagree with your assertion regarding placing transitory information 
(such as the current state of the installation process of Finance::Quote 
on Macos) into documentation rather than the wiki. There's an 
installation page on the wiki for just that reason.


But this is just another example that demonstrates why I gave up trying 
to help manage the documentation: the fact that when push comes to 
shove, it's Frank's way that holds final sway on how the documentation 
turns out. I thank you, Frank, for reminding me of that. I'll drop out 
of this discussion now. Good luck, Phillip; I hope it goes well.


David T.

On 4/30/2022 10:16 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote:

Hi together,

Am 23.04.22 um 20:04 schrieb David T. via gnucash-user:

Phillip,

Good to hear that someone is interested in working on the documentation!

Christian Wehling is permanently working on the manual (help) starting
from translating to German and backporting improvements to the english
version.
Also TANIGUCHI Yasuaki has still pending PRs mostly on the Guide,
Chris Good contributed updates,
Pedro Albuquerque updated the pt translation …

The main bottleneck: I have currently not enough time to review and
merge the pending PRs in time:
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-docs/pulls
So I will only add a few notes here.


Gnucash uses Bugzilla (bugs.gnucash.org) to suggest enhancements and fix bugs, 
and the documentation has its own section there. You will find that there are 
numerous documentation bugs and enhancements outstanding there.

There is also a good bit of information on the wiki on how changes to the 
documentation are created, edited, submitted, and approved. See, for example, 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Documentation_Improvement. Any rewrites you do 
will of necessity follow those guidelines.

I'll note that the Gnucash documentation also includes the Help Manual-- and 
that information about Gnucash's use can also reside there. There has been a 
longstanding difference of opinion about what information should go into the 
Guide versus the Help, and there are areas that duplicate information.

As for the bifurcation between the Tutorial and Concepts within the Guide, I 
think that early writers focused on the Tutorial side of things, whereas later 
authors (myself included) have focused more on the concepts side. How that all 
turns out is certainly open for discussion.

As for specifics, updates from a fresh perspective are welcome. I'll admit I 
haven't given the Guide a close read for a while now.

Your comments about Finance::Quote, however, I'd suggest fit better as wiki 
material. Getting stock quotes, while certainly a useful proposition in a 
financial system, are technically outside of the formal accounting. Also, there 
are plenty of ways to get valuations without F::Q. Furthermore, Macos users 
constitute only a portion of the Gnucash user base, and OS-specific 
instructions like yours have been addressed in the wiki much more effectively. 
So, on the whole, I'd put those on the wiki. You might have a look at 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Online_Quotes

No, we consider the wiki —besides collecting stuff that goes beyond the
scope— more as a temporary storage, where improvements are easier
developed. Setting up F::Q belongs to the manual
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-docs/pull/248/files


Let me know if you have questions.

Best,
David T.

On April 22, 2022 3:51:37 AM EDT, Phillip Duff  wrote:

Hi,


Issue 1:



For whoever is responsible for your documentation.

I spent 40 years in IT companies in a variety of roles and now retired , I will 
offer to rewrite and assist in your documentation. In reviewing your 
documentation I think there are a number of improvements that I can offer, and 
my first experience with your software is positive, but the documentation can 
be a bit frustrating, hence my offer. Don’t get me wrong, there is some good 
stuff here , but I believe I can help you improve it a lot. I am looking for a 
project in my retirement and this is certainly one which would be fun.

Here a couple of examples:

There is a Tutorial and Concepts guide and also a Contents section. Firstly, 
split the Tutorial and Concepts Guide into the two pieces as they have 
different purposes (or at a minimum change the name to Concepts and Tutorial as 
the Concepts ALWAYS come first.

That change could be your first pull request. But catch the full scope
by e.g. at least
grep -inr "Tutorial" manual/C guide/C
but do not rewrite thr history. I am not sure if we can apply the change
also easy  on translations.
Tip: We should create an entity to simplify future mainenance.


If we look at this guide currently, we see for example it is pretty well laid 
out and explained but it does present some problems. Here is a simple example.

In Chapter 2.3 we have a section that is in the intro section, but then 
immediately launches into how to do things. So it describes how to enter new 
accounts in detail, and

[GNC] N00b accounting q: opening balances

[John Edward Hynes]

Hi list,I’m very new to accounting and gnucash.  In setting up a 
hypothetical business, I have a question about opening balances:I entered $1000 
in the equity opening balances account, transfer to current assets checking.  I 
also added the savings opening balance, and machinery starting book value, in 
the same way.Shouldn’t the open balances equity zero out after appearing in the 
“target” accounts correctly?  There’s no imbalance, everything looks fine, 
except that opening equity account doesn’t decrease.  Should it, or is this 
normal?Thanks!








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Re: [GNC] Documentation changes needed

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Hi together,

Am 23.04.22 um 20:04 schrieb David T. via gnucash-user:
> Phillip, 
> 
> Good to hear that someone is interested in working on the documentation! 

Christian Wehling is permanently working on the manual (help) starting
from translating to German and backporting improvements to the english
version.
Also TANIGUCHI Yasuaki has still pending PRs mostly on the Guide,
Chris Good contributed updates,
Pedro Albuquerque updated the pt translation …

The main bottleneck: I have currently not enough time to review and
merge the pending PRs in time:
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-docs/pulls
So I will only add a few notes here.

> Gnucash uses Bugzilla (bugs.gnucash.org) to suggest enhancements and fix 
> bugs, and the documentation has its own section there. You will find that 
> there are numerous documentation bugs and enhancements outstanding there. 
> 
> There is also a good bit of information on the wiki on how changes to the 
> documentation are created, edited, submitted, and approved. See, for example, 
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Documentation_Improvement. Any rewrites you do 
> will of necessity follow those guidelines. 
> 
> I'll note that the Gnucash documentation also includes the Help Manual-- and 
> that information about Gnucash's use can also reside there. There has been a 
> longstanding difference of opinion about what information should go into the 
> Guide versus the Help, and there are areas that duplicate information. 
> 
> As for the bifurcation between the Tutorial and Concepts within the Guide, I 
> think that early writers focused on the Tutorial side of things, whereas 
> later authors (myself included) have focused more on the concepts side. How 
> that all turns out is certainly open for discussion. 
> 
> As for specifics, updates from a fresh perspective are welcome. I'll admit I 
> haven't given the Guide a close read for a while now.
> 
> Your comments about Finance::Quote, however, I'd suggest fit better as wiki 
> material. Getting stock quotes, while certainly a useful proposition in a 
> financial system, are technically outside of the formal accounting. Also, 
> there are plenty of ways to get valuations without F::Q. Furthermore, Macos 
> users constitute only a portion of the Gnucash user base, and OS-specific 
> instructions like yours have been addressed in the wiki much more 
> effectively. So, on the whole, I'd put those on the wiki. You might have a 
> look at https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Online_Quotes

No, we consider the wiki —besides collecting stuff that goes beyond the
scope— more as a temporary storage, where improvements are easier
developed. Setting up F::Q belongs to the manual
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-docs/pull/248/files

> Let me know if you have questions. 
> 
> Best, 
> David T.
> 
> On April 22, 2022 3:51:37 AM EDT, Phillip Duff  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Issue 1:
>>
>>
>>
>> For whoever is responsible for your documentation.
>>
>> I spent 40 years in IT companies in a variety of roles and now retired , I 
>> will offer to rewrite and assist in your documentation. In reviewing your 
>> documentation I think there are a number of improvements that I can offer, 
>> and my first experience with your software is positive, but the 
>> documentation can be a bit frustrating, hence my offer. Don’t get me wrong, 
>> there is some good stuff here , but I believe I can help you improve it a 
>> lot. I am looking for a project in my retirement and this is certainly one 
>> which would be fun.
>>
>> Here a couple of examples:
>>
>> There is a Tutorial and Concepts guide and also a Contents section. Firstly, 
>> split the Tutorial and Concepts Guide into the two pieces as they have 
>> different purposes (or at a minimum change the name to Concepts and Tutorial 
>> as the Concepts ALWAYS come first.

That change could be your first pull request. But catch the full scope
by e.g. at least
grep -inr "Tutorial" manual/C guide/C
but do not rewrite thr history. I am not sure if we can apply the change
also easy  on translations.
Tip: We should create an entity to simplify future mainenance.

>> If we look at this guide currently, we see for example it is pretty well 
>> laid out and explained but it does present some problems. Here is a simple 
>> example.
>>
>> In Chapter 2.3 we have a section that is in the intro section, but then 
>> immediately launches into how to do things. So it describes how to enter new 
>> accounts in detail, and talks about panels etc (which if it is going to, it 
>> should show examples). The problem is this is supposed to be an intro 
>> section and only gives some of the info, not all the info you need if you 
>> are actually going to do this. On the next page we go into all sorts of 
>> detail about storage, yet this is supposed to be an intro section, so I have 
>> gone from detailed description of setting up accounts to tech detail on how 
>> to store. Then in 2.2.2 we have again detailed instructions on doing thing

Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 229, Issue 58

[Eric H. Bowen via gnucash-user]

Ah. Yes, I'm afraid I'm still using GnuCash 3.8+; It's What's For Dinner 
(at least on Ubuntu! [Studio 20.04 LTS]). They don't ever seem to update 
their distributions until a major release comes along...and even then 
they're a few versions behind.


I tried Flatpak once but had some issues (not necessarily traceable to 
Flatpak) and ended up having to reinstall the Ubuntu Studio OS from 
scratch.





Message: 9
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 00:24:20 -0500
From: David Carlson 
To: Jean L 
Cc: Gnucash Users 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Feature Request/Workaround Info: Preserve "Notes"
Field?
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Eric,

The 'Append' button is a fairly recently added feature, probably around
release 4.6 or thereabouts. If you are still using an older version 
perhaps

you should update GnuCash.

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 9:16 PM Jean L  wrote:


Again: the "append" check mark in the import dialog appends notes from
the OFX to the notes you put in instead of replacing them if 'u+c' is
selected.

*

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Re: [GNC] GNC Fails to load Data File

[Derek Atkins]

Most likely you're using the SQL backend, and it sounds like you might not
have the right SQL Drivers installed on Debian.  If you're using SQLite,
then make sure you have the dbi dbd sqlite driver installed.

-derek

On Sat, April 30, 2022 8:56 am, Bruce Irving wrote:
> David H.:  Thank you.  I'll try that when I get back to the office Monday.
> I had tried a Reinstall from Synaptic but that didn't help.  I've tried
> several times to compiling but always hit some snag that my inexperience
> couldn't overcome.  While flatpaks have improved, it still has still a few
> annoying idiosyncrasies.  If this doesn't work, I'll probably return to
> flatpak.
>
> David Cousins:  The first time, I did navigate to the data file and double
> clicked it as was my usual method of opening it.  When that didn't work, I
> stated gnucash and used file/open.  Both ways gave the same error.
>
> I do appreciate your suggestions.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:54 PM David H  wrote:
>
>> Bruce,
>>
>> Did you have a previous Debian install of gnucash - maybe try
>> uninstalling and re-installing the debian version - perhaps following
>> the
>> uninstall instructions at
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Uninstall_Gnucash_Linux ...  You could
>> also
>> see if restarting solves anything.
>>
>> Why would you go back from probably the latest version available in
>> Flatpak
>> (4.10) to a version that's almost 18 months old (4.4) and 6 major
>> releases
>> ago with a lot of bug fixes and enhancements in between ?  Personally I
>> would have stuck with the Flatpak version which obviously worked.  If
>> the
>> Flatpak sandboxing is causing an issue for you perhaps you should
>> consider
>> compiling it yourself ?
>>
>> Cheers David H.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 at 04:52, Bruce Irving  wrote:
>>
>> > I have been using Flatpak for GNC when I discovered that a version is
>> in
>> > the Debian which I installed. and removed the flatpak files.  when I
>> went
>> > to open my data file either by double clicking the data files or Open
>> from
>> > GNC: No suitable backend was found for ... (See attached)
>> > This is Version: 4.4
>> > Build ID: 4.4+(2020-12-28)
>> >
>> > The file did open in latest flatpak
>> >
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Re: [GNC] GNC Fails to load Data File

[Bruce Irving]

David H.:  Thank you.  I'll try that when I get back to the office Monday.
I had tried a Reinstall from Synaptic but that didn't help.  I've tried
several times to compiling but always hit some snag that my inexperience
couldn't overcome.  While flatpaks have improved, it still has still a few
annoying idiosyncrasies.  If this doesn't work, I'll probably return to
flatpak.

David Cousins:  The first time, I did navigate to the data file and double
clicked it as was my usual method of opening it.  When that didn't work, I
stated gnucash and used file/open.  Both ways gave the same error.

I do appreciate your suggestions.

Bruce

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:54 PM David H  wrote:

> Bruce,
>
> Did you have a previous Debian install of gnucash - maybe try
> uninstalling and re-installing the debian version - perhaps following the
> uninstall instructions at
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Uninstall_Gnucash_Linux ...  You could also
> see if restarting solves anything.
>
> Why would you go back from probably the latest version available in Flatpak
> (4.10) to a version that's almost 18 months old (4.4) and 6 major releases
> ago with a lot of bug fixes and enhancements in between ?  Personally I
> would have stuck with the Flatpak version which obviously worked.  If the
> Flatpak sandboxing is causing an issue for you perhaps you should consider
> compiling it yourself ?
>
> Cheers David H.
>
>
> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 at 04:52, Bruce Irving  wrote:
>
> > I have been using Flatpak for GNC when I discovered that a version is in
> > the Debian which I installed. and removed the flatpak files.  when I went
> > to open my data file either by double clicking the data files or Open
> from
> > GNC: No suitable backend was found for ... (See attached)
> > This is Version: 4.4
> > Build ID: 4.4+(2020-12-28)
> >
> > The file did open in latest flatpak
> >
> > Bruce
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Re: [GNC] Minor issue that's becoming an irritant...

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Hi,

please watch Bug 797070 - With multiple monitors, menus only open in one
monitor, regardless of which monitor GnuCash window is located
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797070

Regards
Frank

Am 29.04.22 um 19:10 schrieb Christopher Chase:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a brand new user to GnuCash.  I have a 3 monitor setup and GnuCash
> *INSISTS* on opening on the left monitor.  It seems like a minor issue, but
> it's getting really annoying.
> 
> I'm using Windows 10.  I've googled how to get an app to open on a specific
> monitor, but it doesn't work.  I've verified which monitor is primary for
> Windows.  I've uninstalled GnuCash, deleted every hidden directory and file
> I could find in AppData, cleaned out the registry, etc., even disconnected
> the other monitors before reinstalling.  Once I reconnect all the monitors,
> GnuCash opens on the left monitor.  I don't have this problem with any
> other app.
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Re: [GNC] Setting currency on share accounts

[Phillip Duff]

Hi,

Thanks for your responses. 
Leaving aside the semantics of whether the real-life situation is that the 
stocks are held in brokerage accounts or otherwise, I see the way this is done. 
It is not of course obvious that child accounts take on the currency of the 
parent. I would certainly like to see something in the solution which indicates 
this. The security currency field should be two separate fields (there is 
plenty published that one field should never be used to represent two different 
artefacts), for the simple reason that the use of the field can never be 
intuitively determined.

Then what we would see is, that the currency field for a child account would 
show in a read-only field the currency of the parent, making it intuitive. The 
security field should then be used as it is today.

That would solve the problem. The best documentation is no documentation 
wherever possible, and this change would resolve it.

Thanks for your responses. Its easy to change what I have done already

Cheers Phil

> On 28 Apr 2022, at 18:43, john  wrote:
> 
> Not quite, on two points.
> 
> Not all securities are held in a brokerage account. Until a few years ago 
> companies would issue paper certificates to share holders who held stock 
> directly but nowadays those shares are tracked by clearing houses such as 
> State Street Bank. The latter is common for stocks held in company-run 
> dividend reinvestment programs.
> 
> The other is that it's possible to have stocks denominated in more than on 
> currency in a brokerage account. Non-currency commodities derive their 
> trading currency from the first parent account t denominated in a currency. 
> For example one might have the following structure:
> 
> Assets
>Investments
>Charles Schwab
>  Stock-USD
>   AAPL
>  Stock-CAD
>   RY.TO
>BKE Stocks-USD
> ABBV
> 
> Where the two accounts Stock-USD and Stock-CAD are of type ASSET denominated 
> in the currencies indicated in their names. GnuCash will try to price AAPL in 
> USD and to price RY.TO in CAD. The BKE Stocks-USD has stocks that aren't in a 
> brokerage account. BKE stands for for book-keeping entry, the term used in US 
> investment circles for shares whose ownership is tracked by a clearing house. 
> The term for stocks in a brokerage account is "held in street name" because 
> the brokerage is the shareholder of record and takes care of passing through 
> dividends and shareholder proxy votes to their  customers.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2022, at 8:56 PM, David Carlson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Securities (stocks) are held in brokerage accounts which reside under
>> assets.  The brokerage account determines the currency for it's securities
>> and transactions.  GnuCash assumes that a given brokerage account deals in
>> only one currency, so another brokerage account is needed for an additional
>> currency.  The same security can be held in multiple brokerage accounts.
>> See the help and tutorials for examples of accounts and transactions.
>> 
>> Prices get entered into the price data by several means including actual
>> prices from transactions, prices downloaded from the Internet or imported
>> from a file, or even manually entered into the database.
>> 
>> Reports can pick prices out of the price data by different algorithms
>> depending on your choice.  If there is no price for a given report date
>> GnuCash will use the method you choose to pick or calculate a price for the
>> report.
>> 
>> I am deliberately not being detailed because there is a huge universe of
>> choices depending on your needs.  If you have specific questions ask them
>> here to get specific answers.
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 10:12 PM Phillip Duff  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I cannot see where you set the currency for a stock account. I have stocks
>>> in multiple currencies, but the currency/secuity field seems dual purpose,
>>> therefore assumes the stock is in base currency, which is not always the
>>> case.
>>> 
>>> Anyone know how to do it?
>>> 
>>> Also, I can’t fund in the documentation whether the system uses the latest
>>> price/currency in the price database or does it require the price to exist
>>> for the day on which it is being calculated. Example: If the latest price I
>>> have in the price database is on 14-MAr will the system use this price to
>>> calculate value on the 31-Mar
>>> 
>>> Cheers Phil
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>> 
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>>

[GNC] Minor issue that's becoming an irritant...

[Christopher Chase]

Hi,

I'm a brand new user to GnuCash.  I have a 3 monitor setup and GnuCash
*INSISTS* on opening on the left monitor.  It seems like a minor issue, but
it's getting really annoying.

I'm using Windows 10.  I've googled how to get an app to open on a specific
monitor, but it doesn't work.  I've verified which monitor is primary for
Windows.  I've uninstalled GnuCash, deleted every hidden directory and file
I could find in AppData, cleaned out the registry, etc., even disconnected
the other monitors before reinstalling.  Once I reconnect all the monitors,
GnuCash opens on the left monitor.  I don't have this problem with any
other app.
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