Re: [GNC] Credit Card Opening Balance

[Smartner LLC]

Thank you for your response Jim.

When I get the credit card statement, I transfer the statement balance
    from the "CreditCard Transactions" account
    to the "CreditCard Statements" account.

The balance on the "Statements" account helps me track the balance due 
for payment.


The Balance on the "Transactions" account help me track spending in the 
current billing cycle.


The total of the two balances appears as balance for the parent account 
CreditCard anyway, so I know how much of my credit limit 
I am using.



I am aware I might be overdoing this, but it helps me keep things clear 
between me and my partners and CPA in our small business.



On 5/1/22 19:23, Jim DeLaHunt wrote:

On 2022-05-01 16:27, Smartner LLC wrote:


…I tend to maintain the following structure for every credit card

Liability:Credit Card
    Liability:This helps me keep the transactions and statements separate and 
ensure that I can track the expenses since the last generated 
statement separately. Meanwhile, I can track total outstanding on the 
card  on the rolled up balance for the liability account for the 
credit card.…


If that works for you, great. However, it is not the structure I use, 
and I don't understand how you use the separation between statements 
and transactions.


My structure is a single GnuCash "account" for 
Liability:Credit Card. I enter all transactions on that 
card in that account. When statements come in, I use the GnuCash 
"reconciliation" feature to mark the transactions which the card 
company confirms on its statement as "reconciled" in my GnuCash books. 
The expenses since the last generated statement are simply those which 
do not have the status of "reconciled". The View… Filter… dialogue 
allows me to hide all the reconciled transactions if I want.


What do you do with the transactions in your 
Liability:CreditCard:Transactions account when the 
following month's statement comes in?  Do you edit each transaction so 
that it moves to the Liability:CreditCard:Statements 
account instead?  That looks to me like more work than using the 
reconciliation feature, and I don't see what extra utility it would 
give you.


By the way, I am keeping books for my personal finances and a small 
self-proprietership business. My stakes are low, and I have no auditor 
to satisfy. I see no need to close my books at the end of the year; 
some of my account registers span 10-20 years.


Best regards,
 —Jim DeLaHunt

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Re: [GNC] Credit Card Opening Balance

[David Carlson]

I keep PDF's of monthly credit card statements and lots of other important
things on a dedicated server on my LAN, backed up offline.  I do have a
spreadsheet tracking which items are on this server.  All of that was
started even before I started using GnuCash, and there is no need to put
that information into GnuCash.

On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:24 PM Jim DeLaHunt  wrote:

> On 2022-05-01 16:27, Smartner LLC wrote:
>
> > …I tend to maintain the following structure for every credit card
> >
> > Liability:Credit Card
> > Liability: > Liability: >
> > This helps me keep the transactions and statements separate and ensure
> > that I can track the expenses since the last generated statement
> > separately. Meanwhile, I can track total outstanding on the card  on
> > the rolled up balance for the liability account for the credit card.…
>
> If that works for you, great. However, it is not the structure I use,
> and I don't understand how you use the separation between statements and
> transactions.
>
> My structure is a single GnuCash "account" for
> Liability:Credit Card. I enter all transactions on that
> card in that account. When statements come in, I use the GnuCash
> "reconciliation" feature to mark the transactions which the card company
> confirms on its statement as "reconciled" in my GnuCash books. The
> expenses since the last generated statement are simply those which do
> not have the status of "reconciled". The View… Filter… dialogue allows
> me to hide all the reconciled transactions if I want.
>
> What do you do with the transactions in your
> Liability:CreditCard:Transactions account when the
> following month's statement comes in?  Do you edit each transaction so
> that it moves to the Liability:CreditCard:Statements
> account instead?  That looks to me like more work than using the
> reconciliation feature, and I don't see what extra utility it would give
> you.
>
> By the way, I am keeping books for my personal finances and a small
> self-proprietership business. My stakes are low, and I have no auditor
> to satisfy. I see no need to close my books at the end of the year; some
> of my account registers span 10-20 years.
>
> Best regards,
>   —Jim DeLaHunt
>
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Re: [GNC] Credit Card Opening Balance

[Jim DeLaHunt]

On 2022-05-01 16:27, Smartner LLC wrote:


…I tend to maintain the following structure for every credit card

Liability:Credit Card
    Liability:This helps me keep the transactions and statements separate and ensure 
that I can track the expenses since the last generated statement 
separately. Meanwhile, I can track total outstanding on the card  on 
the rolled up balance for the liability account for the credit card.…


If that works for you, great. However, it is not the structure I use, 
and I don't understand how you use the separation between statements and 
transactions.


My structure is a single GnuCash "account" for 
Liability:Credit Card. I enter all transactions on that 
card in that account. When statements come in, I use the GnuCash 
"reconciliation" feature to mark the transactions which the card company 
confirms on its statement as "reconciled" in my GnuCash books. The 
expenses since the last generated statement are simply those which do 
not have the status of "reconciled". The View… Filter… dialogue allows 
me to hide all the reconciled transactions if I want.


What do you do with the transactions in your 
Liability:CreditCard:Transactions account when the 
following month's statement comes in?  Do you edit each transaction so 
that it moves to the Liability:CreditCard:Statements 
account instead?  That looks to me like more work than using the 
reconciliation feature, and I don't see what extra utility it would give 
you.


By the way, I am keeping books for my personal finances and a small 
self-proprietership business. My stakes are low, and I have no auditor 
to satisfy. I see no need to close my books at the end of the year; some 
of my account registers span 10-20 years.


Best regards,
 —Jim DeLaHunt

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[GNC] Credit Card Opening Balance

[Smartner LLC]

Considering that (most) credit card statements are generated on days 
other then the first or last day of the month, is there any documented 
guidance around carrying forward yearly opening balances for credit 
cards and unpaid (not yet due) credit card statements?



I tend to maintain the following structure for every credit card

Liability:Credit Card
    Liability:This helps me keep the transactions and statements separate and ensure 
that I can track the expenses since the last generated statement 
separately. Meanwhile, I can track total outstanding on the card  on the 
rolled up balance for the liability account for the credit card.


For yearly opening balances...

1. I carry forward the statement balance from the mid-December statement 
as an opening balance for the "Statements" account.


2. I carry forward the closing balance of the transactions account after 
posting all transactions on the card before 01-Jan.



Is there a better way to do this?


Regards,

Smartner

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Re: [GNC] Fails under newest Ubuntu

[John Ralls]

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> On May 1, 2022, at 3:58 PM, Stephen M. Butler  
> wrote:
> 
> On 5/1/22 08:47, john wrote:
>>> On Apr 30, 2022, at 9:50 PM, Stephen M. Butler 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 4/30/22 15:40, David H wrote:
 Steve FYI,
 
 Re-compiled and working now although I did have to add the following to my 
 build script..
 
 sudo git config --global --add safe.directory $SOURCEDIR
> 
> I saw that when attempting the sudo make install.  Although the note didn't 
> reference the sudo part and it took me a coupe of attempts to figure that 
> part out.
> 
 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
 
 
 Cheers David H.
 
>>> Cmake was building files in my gnucash git clone directory.  I ended up 
>>> having to destroy and download a whole new clone.  That seems to have fixed 
>>> whatever strange problem cmake was having.   Make is currently compiling 
>>> and I hope that finishes here in the next few minutes.
>>> 
>>> I'll have to pull up the git docs and figure out what your command line 
>>> does and why it might be needed.
>> Cmake does that only if you invoke it in the source directory. Don't do that.
> 
> I was definitely in the Build directory:
> ./gnucash
> ./Build-4.10-60  <-- in here
> 
> Also tried to copy the ./gnucash --> ./Source-4.10-60
> Cmake worked but make didn't.  It still tried to reference ./gnucash


When you have a problem like this and periodically just for drill delete the 
contents of your build directory and start afresh:

Make double sure you're really in your build directory, then say

rm -rf * && cmake  /path/to/source/directory

>> 
>> Git has a clean command:
>>   git clean -fdx
>> You can use that to restore your working directory to a freshly checked out 
>> state, no need to re-clone.
> Tried just the git clean -f  (didn't see the dx options).  Something 
> somewhere was still causing cmake to build into the source directory even 
> though I was in the build one.  That would have helped a great deal as I have 
> a very slow Century NoLink 8Mbit connection.

Probably a lot. -d tells git clean to recurse. Leave it out and you clean only 
the top-level directory. -x tells git to ignore the gitignore files that 
probably have things like build products if you've messed up and run cmake in 
the source directory, editor artifacts, and random other stuff.

> 
> Over the course of the evening ended up cloning three times. Finally Cmake 
> and Make beat me into submission and I referenced the ./gnucash git directory 
> from the ./Build-4.10-60 directory.  That all worked and sudo make install 
> also worked!! (about midnight).
> 
> I did have one problem with sudo make uninstall in the ./Build-4.9-10 build 
> folder.  I had removed the source folder for that build and uninstall needed 
> it for some reason.  One reason why I would like to keep a copy of the git 
> directory at the time of build so I have the old source sitting around that 
> was used for the build.

More evidence that you at some point ran cmake in the source directory and make 
found those Makefiles. The file that make uninstall is looking for is 
installed_manifest.txt. It contains the paths to all of the installed files.
> 
> I seem to remember that git has the option to checkout into a different 
> directory so I will investigate if that will work and can be the source 
> referenced by cmake.

It does, but that's not what you want. Cmake won't write anything into your 
source directory as long as you never invoke it from there and don't use the –B 
option.

> 
> But, not today!  Getting my 5th wheel ready for summer use.  I may explore 
> that when forced to compile again (which may be in the distant future).
> 
> I'm retired!!  How can I be this busy?  How did I ever have time to go to 
> work?
> 

Another thing you might want to explore next time is ninja. It's a lot faster 
than make.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Tab in Reconcile window

[Fred Tydeman]

You are correct.  Thank you.
I had expected that when I did a Tab, a line would be highlighted in the
other window
(instead of a hard to see box).  Doing the arrow down causes a line to be
highlighted.

On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 8:16 AM Gyle McCollam  wrote:

> Fred, I'm running Windows 11 so it may be different, but The tab & Shift
> tab work.  However, when the reconciliation window opens you have a hrd
> time seeing just where the selector is at.  Once the window opens, if you
> use the down arrow the 1st item in the left window (funds in) is
> highlighted in blue.  When you tab, there is an almost invisible dotted box
> around the 1st item in the right window (funds out).  Again, if you down
> arrow the item will be highlighted.  Same with shift-tab.  Hope it is the
> same in your Linux version.
>
> Thank You,
> *Gyle McCollam*
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> 609.680.2326 Mobile
>
> gmccol...@live.comemail
> --
> *From:* gnucash-user 
> on behalf of Fred Tydeman 
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 1, 2022 12:35 AM
> *To:* Gnucash Users 
> *Subject:* [GNC] Tab in Reconcile window
>
> The Tip of the Day says that Tab and Shift-Tab should move between
> deposits and withdrawals in the reconcile window.  For me, they appear
> to be ignored -- I have to mouse click between windows/panes.
> I am running Fedora Linux, Gnucash 4.10.
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Re: [GNC] Tab in Reconcile window

[David Carlson]

Fred and Gyle,

For comparison, in Release 3.8 running in Ubuntu 20.04.  The Tab and Shift
Tab work as described.  Interestingly, however, when using the mouse to fly
over the menu key icons, the fly-over descriptions appear when hovering
over all of the menu key icons, but only the key icons in the center and
right highlight while hovering.  The key icons on the left do not
highlight.  This tidbit of information may help the developers when
diagnosing the problem in release 4.10.

On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 10:17 AM Gyle McCollam  wrote:

> Fred, I'm running Windows 11 so it may be different, but The tab & Shift
> tab work.  However, when the reconciliation window opens you have a hrd
> time seeing just where the selector is at.  Once the window opens, if you
> use the down arrow the 1st item in the left window (funds in) is
> highlighted in blue.  When you tab, there is an almost invisible dotted box
> around the 1st item in the right window (funds out).  Again, if you down
> arrow the item will be highlighted.  Same with shift-tab.  Hope it is the
> same in your Linux version.
>
>
> Thank You,
> Gyle McCollam
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> 609.680.2326 Mobile
>
> gmccol...@live.com   email
>
> 
> From: gnucash-user  on
> behalf of Fred Tydeman 
> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 12:35 AM
> To: Gnucash Users 
> Subject: [GNC] Tab in Reconcile window
>
> The Tip of the Day says that Tab and Shift-Tab should move between
> deposits and withdrawals in the reconcile window.  For me, they appear
> to be ignored -- I have to mouse click between windows/panes.
> I am running Fedora Linux, Gnucash 4.10.
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Re: [GNC] Fails under newest Ubuntu

[john]

> On Apr 30, 2022, at 9:50 PM, Stephen M. Butler  
> wrote:
> 
> On 4/30/22 15:40, David H wrote:
>> Steve FYI,
>> 
>> Re-compiled and working now although I did have to add the following to my 
>> build script..
>> 
>> sudo git config --global --add safe.directory $SOURCEDIR
>> 
>> Cheers David H.
>> 
> 
> Cmake was building files in my gnucash git clone directory.  I ended up 
> having to destroy and download a whole new clone.  That seems to have fixed 
> whatever strange problem cmake was having.   Make is currently compiling and 
> I hope that finishes here in the next few minutes.
> 
> I'll have to pull up the git docs and figure out what your command line does 
> and why it might be needed.

Cmake does that only if you invoke it in the source directory. Don't do that.

Git has a clean command: 
  git clean -fdx
You can use that to restore your working directory to a freshly checked out 
state, no need to re-clone.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Tab in Reconcile window

[Gyle McCollam]

Fred, I'm running Windows 11 so it may be different, but The tab & Shift tab 
work.  However, when the reconciliation window opens you have a hrd time seeing 
just where the selector is at.  Once the window opens, if you use the down 
arrow the 1st item in the left window (funds in) is highlighted in blue.  When 
you tab, there is an almost invisible dotted box around the 1st item in the 
right window (funds out).  Again, if you down arrow the item will be 
highlighted.  Same with shift-tab.  Hope it is the same in your Linux version.


Thank You,
Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

609.680.2326 Mobile

gmccol...@live.com   email


From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of Fred Tydeman 
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 12:35 AM
To: Gnucash Users 
Subject: [GNC] Tab in Reconcile window

The Tip of the Day says that Tab and Shift-Tab should move between
deposits and withdrawals in the reconcile window.  For me, they appear
to be ignored -- I have to mouse click between windows/panes.
I am running Fedora Linux, Gnucash 4.10.
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