Re: [GNC] edit --> find --> description contains fails to show accounts receivable items

[Adrien Monteleone]

Interesting, I've never noticed it work that way.

Regards,
Adrien

On 6/8/22 10:12 PM, Liz Dodd wrote:

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 21:25:54 -0500
Adrien Monteleone  wrote:


You don't need to 'select' an account before doing a search. (it has
no bearing on the search at all)

Always conduct searches when viewing the main accounts tab, and if
you want to specify accounts, do that in your search criteria.

Regards,


Having an account "in focus" when starting a search restricts the
search to that tab/account.

Either a neat trick or a trap for the unwary.


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Re: [GNC] Missing 2nd entry

[Adrien Monteleone]

Screenshot?

At the least the 'other' split should be set to either the Orphan or 
Unbalanced accounts.


You might need to turn on View > Transaction Journal to see it.

Regards,
Adrien

On 6/8/22 11:58 PM, Fred Tydeman wrote:

I just found a transaction that is not a double entry.
It is just a single entry.  Not sure how that happened.
When I click on Split to see the other side of the entry,
there is nothing.  Clicking on Jump does nothing.

With that strange transaction as the current entry:
Clicking on Actions->Check&Repair->This transaction
appears to do nothing.  Same for All transactions.

With all account tabs closed (so only the top level Accounts shows):
Clicking on Actions->Check&Repair->Check&repair all
runs for a minute or two and does not fix that entry, nor
make a new account for Unbalanced or similar.

I wonder if this unusual transaction is the cause of the
Trial Balance report crashing and giving me a traceback.
Equity Statement report also crashes with a similar traceback.

I am running GnuCash 4.10+(2022-03-26) on Linux.


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Re: [GNC] Missing 2nd entry

[David Carlson]

The capability for zero value transactions with a single account line was
permitted starting in release 3 point something iirc as hinted by
Christopher.

I  complained at the time, but it technically is not unbalanced.  The
reason it is allowed is that it can function as a vehicle for a comment
entry.

Personally,  I created a special income account in my data file for
comments specifically so I could search for them if desired, so I never
intentionally have a single line entry.  One of my credit cards creates
single line entries during an OFX import if I fail to catch it.  Argh.



On Thu, Jun 9, 2022, 3:50 AM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Screenshot?
>
> At the least the 'other' split should be set to either the Orphan or
> Unbalanced accounts.
>
> You might need to turn on View > Transaction Journal to see it.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 6/8/22 11:58 PM, Fred Tydeman wrote:
> > I just found a transaction that is not a double entry.
> > It is just a single entry.  Not sure how that happened.
> > When I click on Split to see the other side of the entry,
> > there is nothing.  Clicking on Jump does nothing.
> >
> > With that strange transaction as the current entry:
> > Clicking on Actions->Check&Repair->This transaction
> > appears to do nothing.  Same for All transactions.
> >
> > With all account tabs closed (so only the top level Accounts shows):
> > Clicking on Actions->Check&Repair->Check&repair all
> > runs for a minute or two and does not fix that entry, nor
> > make a new account for Unbalanced or similar.
> >
> > I wonder if this unusual transaction is the cause of the
> > Trial Balance report crashing and giving me a traceback.
> > Equity Statement report also crashes with a similar traceback.
> >
> > I am running GnuCash 4.10+(2022-03-26) on Linux.
>
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Re: [GNC] [MAINT] (another) unplanned network outage for code.gnucash.org

[Derek Atkins]

Hi,

On Wed, June 8, 2022 5:55 pm, Liz Dodd wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 07:43:07 -0400
> "Derek Atkins"  wrote:
>
>
> I guess the Router came up before the machine running the DHCP server,
> Here we'd say "you must've killed a Chinaman" which is an interesting
> comment on how racist speech gets normalised in our language.
> Here's hoping your misfortunes are restricted to your internet
> connection.

Something like that.  I think there is more to it, because the DHCP server
process needed to be manually restarted (as did the named service on that
device).  What's so strange is that the switch was plugged into the router
on a VLAN port, but it still got a DHCP response from it.  Although now
that I think about it, that still makes sense -- I wonder if I can turn
off DHCP on that VLAN?

Yesterday I got my ER-4 put back into place, so this particular error
shouldn't happen again (the switch is plugged into the ER-4, not the
router, so no DHCP server).

I'm still working with my UPS vendor to debug why the UPS keeps turning off.

> Liz

-derek

PS: For some reason your emails get held by my anti-spam tool because of a
"Bad Header".  I'm not sure why that is.  Did you change something in your
MUA or MTA?

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Re: [GNC] edit --> find --> description contains fails to show accounts receivable items

[Fred Bone]

On 09 June 2022 at 13:12, Liz Dodd said:

[...]
> Having an account "in focus" when starting a search restricts the
> search to that tab/account.
> 
> Either a neat trick or a trap for the unwary.

Trap for the unwary? I would have called it entirely obvious.

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Re: [GNC] Missing 2nd entry

[Fred Bone]

On 09 June 2022 at 6:59, David Carlson said:

> The capability for zero value transactions with a single account line was
> permitted starting in release 3 point something iirc as hinted by
> Christopher.

Really? Odd, then, that I can do it in 2.6.21.


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Re: [GNC] Missing 2nd entry

[Stan Brown]

On 2022-06-09 04:59, David Carlson wrote:
> The capability for zero value transactions with a single account line was
> permitted starting in release 3 point something iirc as hinted by
> Christopher.
> 
> I  complained at the time, but it technically is not unbalanced.  The
> reason it is allowed is that it can function as a vehicle for a comment
> entry.

I create single-line transactions with zero value in 2.6.19, exactly for
the purpose of recording a comment.

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Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Missing 2nd entry

[David Carlson]

Clearly I did not recall correctly about when this became possible.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022, 8:53 AM Stan Brown  wrote:

>
> On 2022-06-09 04:59, David Carlson wrote:
> > The capability for zero value transactions with a single account line was
> > permitted starting in release 3 point something iirc as hinted by
> > Christopher.
> >
> > I  complained at the time, but it technically is not unbalanced.  The
> > reason it is allowed is that it can function as a vehicle for a comment
> > entry.
>
> I create single-line transactions with zero value in 2.6.19, exactly for
> the purpose of recording a comment.
>
> --
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[GNC] Zero price entries

[Fred Tydeman]

Is there an easy way to find all the zero price entries in the price
history?

I have several hundred stock and currency items, some with zero price
entries.

I am used to using Enter (instead of Tab) as a way to advance to the next
field in a new transaction.  Because of that, I believe that caused zero
price entries to end up in the price history.  I would like to find those
zero price entries and delete them.
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Re: [GNC] Zero price entries

[Gyle McCollam]

Fred,
The key is in your question.  You can use Edit/Find and search for zero values 
and apparently, if you do it from the accounts screen you can search all 
account at once or you could search in each account.  Once it finds the 
transaction it displays them in a new tab.  All you have to do is delete them 
from there and they will gone in the account they were found in.


Thank You,
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From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of Fred Tydeman 
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 10:38 AM
To: Gnucash Users 
Subject: [GNC] Zero price entries

Is there an easy way to find all the zero price entries in the price
history?

I have several hundred stock and currency items, some with zero price
entries.

I am used to using Enter (instead of Tab) as a way to advance to the next
field in a new transaction.  Because of that, I believe that caused zero
price entries to end up in the price history.  I would like to find those
zero price entries and delete them.
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Re: [GNC] Missing 2nd entry

[David Carlson]

That screen shot appears to show a security purchase without a price.  Is
this a new way to create wealth?

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022, 9:28 AM David Carlson 
wrote:

> Clearly I did not recall correctly about when this became possible.
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2022, 8:53 AM Stan Brown 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2022-06-09 04:59, David Carlson wrote:
>> > The capability for zero value transactions with a single account line
>> was
>> > permitted starting in release 3 point something iirc as hinted by
>> > Christopher.
>> >
>> > I  complained at the time, but it technically is not unbalanced.  The
>> > reason it is allowed is that it can function as a vehicle for a comment
>> > entry.
>>
>> I create single-line transactions with zero value in 2.6.19, exactly for
>> the purpose of recording a comment.
>>
>> --
>> Stan Brown
>> Tehachapi, CA, USA
>> https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Zero price entries

[Fred Tydeman]

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 7:46 AM Gyle McCollam  wrote:

> Fred,
> The key is in your question.  You can use Edit/Find and search for zero
> values and apparently, if you do it from the accounts screen you can search
> all account at once or you could search in each account.  Once it finds the
> transaction it displays them in a new tab.  All you have to do is delete
> them from there and they will gone in the account they were found in.
>
>
I am not looking for transactions with zero price.
I am looking for entries in the price database (Tools->Price Editor)
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Re: [GNC] Zero price entries

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Fred,

Technically, these are not price entries, which implies the PriceDB in 
GnuCash. They are transaction entries in a register. I am not sure 
whether Gyle's solution would work, since I'm not sure how you'd search 
for those entries; from your screenshot, it looks as if the entries have 
a null value, and I'm not sure how that would get searched. But I am 
most definitely not any expert.


My low budget kludge would be to try to sort the register by value, 
which should put all those transactions at the top of the register for 
your editing pleasure.


David T.

On 6/9/2022 10:45 AM, Gyle McCollam wrote:

Fred,
The key is in your question.  You can use Edit/Find and search for zero values 
and apparently, if you do it from the accounts screen you can search all 
account at once or you could search in each account.  Once it finds the 
transaction it displays them in a new tab.  All you have to do is delete them 
from there and they will gone in the account they were found in.


Thank You,
Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

609.680.2326 Mobile

gmccol...@live.com   email


From: gnucash-user  on behalf of 
Fred Tydeman 
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 10:38 AM
To: Gnucash Users 
Subject: [GNC] Zero price entries

Is there an easy way to find all the zero price entries in the price
history?

I have several hundred stock and currency items, some with zero price
entries.

I am used to using Enter (instead of Tab) as a way to advance to the next
field in a new transaction.  Because of that, I believe that caused zero
price entries to end up in the price history.  I would like to find those
zero price entries and delete them.
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Re: [GNC] Missing 2nd entry

[Michael or Penny Novack]

The capability for zero value transactions with a single account line was
permitted starting in release 3 point something iirc as hinted by
Christopher.

Really? Odd, then, that I can do it in 2.6.21.


Speaking as a retired senior systems analyst (and senior business 
analyst) , this does NOT surprise me (that designed/coded this way)


When you try to enter a transaction that is not in balance, the program 
probably looks for an out of balance amount, whether debit or credit, 
and if found, adds Imbalance as an account involved with the transaction 
for this amount (and sense).


But if ALL the other account amounts sum to zero, transaction is in 
balance and allowed to enter. If that's only one account, then one is all.


Exactly WHAT is gnucash supposed to do in this situation. It COULD be 
coded to make the minimum number of accounts two, but if it finds only 
one, what is the "Imbalance" entry you want to see AND if like me, you 
look for a net Imbalance >0 to lead you to going into the Imbalance 
account to find an errant transaction, would you ever notice this errant 
transaction? << since net Imbalance IS zero)


In other words, this IS a major decision for gnucash. The choice was to 
allow the transaction to enter but create an entry in Imbalance (make 
Imbalance part of the transaction. The alternative is to stop you (not 
allow entry of the transaction, but what do you do NOW? (in terms of 
work flow).


   1) abort the transaction

   2) save/close gnucash

   3) decide what to do (what changes you might need to make to the CoA)

   4) resume entering the batch of transactions you were working on

- or -

   5) you hope you remember to come back to this transaction later << 
in place of "3" >>



I MUCH prefer what happens now.

   1) Nothing you notice at the time. When you finish entering the 
batch and  save, you check Imbalance before closing, and see that you 
have something to fix. But you are working on that part of it NOT in the 
middle of entering a batch of transactions and gnucash in a "saved" state.


In any case, this is not a matter to go directly to the programmers 
maintaining gnucash. First the "business team" (and this involves users) 
has to decide on WHAT gnucash should be doing << see, I wore both 
analysts hats in my day, sometimes one, sometimes the other >>



Michael D Novack



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Re: [GNC] Missing 2nd entry

[john]

No, it's called a stock split. Nothing new about it at all.

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Jun 9, 2022, at 7:46 AM, David Carlson  wrote:
> 
> That screen shot appears to show a security purchase without a price.  Is
> this a new way to create wealth?
> 
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2022, 9:28 AM David Carlson 
> wrote:
> 
>> Clearly I did not recall correctly about when this became possible.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2022, 8:53 AM Stan Brown 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2022-06-09 04:59, David Carlson wrote:
 The capability for zero value transactions with a single account line
>>> was
 permitted starting in release 3 point something iirc as hinted by
 Christopher.
 
 I  complained at the time, but it technically is not unbalanced.  The
 reason it is allowed is that it can function as a vehicle for a comment
 entry.
>>> 
>>> I create single-line transactions with zero value in 2.6.19, exactly for
>>> the purpose of recording a comment.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Stan Brown
>>> Tehachapi, CA, USA
>>> https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Zero price entries

[Gyle McCollam]

PS, sorry I don't see the screenshot, so I'm flying blind.  Since you say they 
are in the PriceDB, maybe there is a way to edit the DB directly, nit using 
GnuCash and price to sort as I suggested.


Thank You,
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From: Fred Tydeman 
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 10:54 AM
To: Gyle McCollam 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Zero price entries



On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 7:46 AM Gyle McCollam 
mailto:gmccol...@live.com>> wrote:
Fred,
The key is in your question.  You can use Edit/Find and search for zero values 
and apparently, if you do it from the accounts screen you can search all 
account at once or you could search in each account.  Once it finds the 
transaction it displays them in a new tab.  All you have to do is delete them 
from there and they will gone in the account they were found in.


I am not looking for transactions with zero price.
I am looking for entries in the price database (Tools->Price Editor)

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Re: [GNC] Missing 2nd entry

[David Carlson]

Split! Yes, but there is nothing to indicate that in the screen shot.  It
may be a data entry error as Fred seems to indicate in his new thread after
this one did not solve his concern.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022, 10:15 AM john  wrote:

> No, it's called a stock split. Nothing new about it at all.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
> > On Jun 9, 2022, at 7:46 AM, David Carlson 
> wrote:
> >
> > That screen shot appears to show a security purchase without a price.  Is
> > this a new way to create wealth?
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 9, 2022, 9:28 AM David Carlson 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Clearly I did not recall correctly about when this became possible.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2022, 8:53 AM Stan Brown 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On 2022-06-09 04:59, David Carlson wrote:
>  The capability for zero value transactions with a single account line
> >>> was
>  permitted starting in release 3 point something iirc as hinted by
>  Christopher.
> 
>  I  complained at the time, but it technically is not unbalanced.  The
>  reason it is allowed is that it can function as a vehicle for a
> comment
>  entry.
> >>>
> >>> I create single-line transactions with zero value in 2.6.19, exactly
> for
> >>> the purpose of recording a comment.
> >>>
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Re: [GNC] edit --> find --> description contains fails to show accounts receivable items

[Adrien Monteleone]

Hmmm... I just happened to need to do a Find and tried this out.

I intentionally chose an account that I knew was definitely *not* 
involved in the transaction I was looking for. (or any other 
transactions that would match my criteria)


Yet, the results were the same if I had this account 'selected' or not. 
(which returned results when it shouldn't have, and as expected, none 
involved that selected account.)


Maybe this is a terminology problem concerning 'selected' and 'focus'?

I'm doing the search from the Accounts Tab being in 'focus'. (that is, 
it is the active tab which I am viewing)


If I 'select' (highlight, but do not open) an account, and do a Find, 
this has no effect. (I thought this is what the OP said they did, and 
what I thought Liz was referring to)


If I *open* a particular account (thus now viewing its register which is 
now 'in focus' and the Accounts Tab is no longer the active tab) *now* 
the search is filtered to that account.


Which is exactly what I was warning about in my original comment.

If the OP is not getting results they expect from *other* affected 
accounts, either something is off with their criteria, or they are 
getting filtered results by doing the search from a particular register 
rather than the Accounts Tab.


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/9/22 3:46 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

Interesting, I've never noticed it work that way.

Regards,
Adrien

On 6/8/22 10:12 PM, Liz Dodd wrote:

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 21:25:54 -0500
Adrien Monteleone  wrote:


You don't need to 'select' an account before doing a search. (it has
no bearing on the search at all)

Always conduct searches when viewing the main accounts tab, and if
you want to specify accounts, do that in your search criteria.

Regards,


Having an account "in focus" when starting a search restricts the
search to that tab/account.

Either a neat trick or a trap for the unwary.


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Re: [GNC] edit --> find --> description contains fails to show accounts receivable items

[Derek Atkins]

Another thing to consider is that the search is really searching on a
SPLIT and not a TRANSACTION.  If you're trying to search for something and
using different accounts in your query, you could end up in an empty-set
result because you cannot have a split where split->account == A **AND**
split->account == B.

-derek

On Thu, June 9, 2022 1:02 pm, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> Hmmm... I just happened to need to do a Find and tried this out.
>
> I intentionally chose an account that I knew was definitely *not*
> involved in the transaction I was looking for. (or any other
> transactions that would match my criteria)
>
> Yet, the results were the same if I had this account 'selected' or not.
> (which returned results when it shouldn't have, and as expected, none
> involved that selected account.)
>
> Maybe this is a terminology problem concerning 'selected' and 'focus'?
>
> I'm doing the search from the Accounts Tab being in 'focus'. (that is,
> it is the active tab which I am viewing)
>
> If I 'select' (highlight, but do not open) an account, and do a Find,
> this has no effect. (I thought this is what the OP said they did, and
> what I thought Liz was referring to)
>
> If I *open* a particular account (thus now viewing its register which is
> now 'in focus' and the Accounts Tab is no longer the active tab) *now*
> the search is filtered to that account.
>
> Which is exactly what I was warning about in my original comment.
>
> If the OP is not getting results they expect from *other* affected
> accounts, either something is off with their criteria, or they are
> getting filtered results by doing the search from a particular register
> rather than the Accounts Tab.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 6/9/22 3:46 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>> Interesting, I've never noticed it work that way.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>>
>> On 6/8/22 10:12 PM, Liz Dodd wrote:
>>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 21:25:54 -0500
>>> Adrien Monteleone  wrote:
>>>
 You don't need to 'select' an account before doing a search. (it has
 no bearing on the search at all)

 Always conduct searches when viewing the main accounts tab, and if
 you want to specify accounts, do that in your search criteria.

 Regards,
>>>
>>> Having an account "in focus" when starting a search restricts the
>>> search to that tab/account.
>>>
>>> Either a neat trick or a trap for the unwary.
>
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Re: [GNC] Missing 2nd entry

[Adrien Monteleone]

Yeah, I wasn't thinking of this and I use it frequently.

But if you have one split *with a value*, then you'll get an 
Orphan/Unbalanced split by default if you don't specify the second account.


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/9/22 8:53 AM, Stan Brown wrote:


On 2022-06-09 04:59, David Carlson wrote:

The capability for zero value transactions with a single account line was
permitted starting in release 3 point something iirc as hinted by
Christopher.

I  complained at the time, but it technically is not unbalanced.  The
reason it is allowed is that it can function as a vehicle for a comment
entry.


I create single-line transactions with zero value in 2.6.19, exactly for
the purpose of recording a comment.



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Re: [GNC] edit --> find --> description contains fails to show accounts receivable items

[Adrien Monteleone]

Thanks Derek, I forgot about that part as well. Indeed, it tripped me up 
early on.


Though in this case, if you are searching based on Memo, you should get 
all results, from multiple accounts, no?


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/9/22 12:10 PM, Derek Atkins wrote:

Another thing to consider is that the search is really searching on a
SPLIT and not a TRANSACTION.  If you're trying to search for something and
using different accounts in your query, you could end up in an empty-set
result because you cannot have a split where split->account == A **AND**
split->account == B.


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