Re: [GNC] using Guile

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

2018-05-10T15:12:25-0500 John C wrote:
I don't know where the Windows installation of GnuCash stored GNU Guile,
but at least in GNU+Linux, provided the $PATH variable is correctly set,
one can do this in a terminal/console/shell prompt:

guile

... and it will launch.

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Re: [GNC] [GNC-dev] GnuCash 3.0 wine versus Windoze 10

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2018-04-18T03:07:50-0700 cicko wrote:
> Hm, this thread now seems to be all over the place. Probably due to the tags
> in the subject? It seems that email clients do some magic there.

Indeed, they have involved the developers list and the help list, this
is why we see duplicated messages.

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Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 181, Issue 62

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2018-04-12T12:17:40-0400 Elmar wrote:
> If this does go to a web forum, it would be good to have an RSS feed
> for the individual emails.  The digest keeps the inbox level down, but
> shifting to an RSS feeder is often much more convenient for things
> like this, imho.

I do get the general idea of having a news "feed", and I completely
agree on the usefulness of feed/news files. If I'm not mistaken Mailman
3 with HyperKitty combination keeps the mailing list functionality but
also provides a forum-like interface, so in this combination there would
be no need for the feed/news file. But if we do resort to using such
files, it's best (and more secure for the end-user) to do so using the
Atom feed/news/aggregation standard instead of RSS, and also make it so
that the full content appears in the items, not just a "This is a long
text example... cut" body.
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Re: [GNC] Fwd: Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

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2018-04-11T08:31:28+0100 Colin Law wrote:
> If we are not supposed to use Reply All then could someone please
> adjust the list settings so that Reply goes back to the list and not

Technically, according to some RFCs, this isn't a good idea, also see
([1]). Munging makes the direct contact with the poster lost, in case of
sensitive subject, you will want to contact that person privately, and
munging makes that difficult.

[1] .
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

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2018-04-10T21:44:15-0400 William Bixby wrote:
> Interesting, in my emails from Gnucash I do not see any headers with tags
> mailing-list
> mailed-by

Depends on email reader software (or webmail if you use it), although
good webmail also let's you inspect the message in raw form (which will
of course show all header fields).

> On most of them I see a tag
> List-id
> But that is not a field I can filter on from my ISP
>
> In this message from Dave I see my email as the to: and
> Gnucash Users  So the filters Dave suggests would be incomplete, a CC is also needed.
> Maybe also a 'From' just to be sure?
>
> The emails from the list seem to have a variety of header forms,
> perhaps depending on the mailers used for the reply, or the reply-to
> or reply-list or reply-all forms. Seems hard to keep track of all the
> possibilities.
>
> Instead of requiring 2-3 or more filters for each list, the subject
> code allows a single filter to do the job, consistently, never misses.

Some filters allow you to match field names with a regular expression
standard/syntax --- /e.g./: "^\(To\|Cc\|List-id\)" if they have
separated space to match only the field *names*, or
"^\(To\|Cc\|List-id\):.*gnucash-user@gnucash\.org" if they don't, both
examples use GNU Emacs regular expressions but the email filter you use
might require other syntax --- or the filter might also allow you to
chain some condition checks --- /e.g./: ( To OR Cc OR List-id ) ==
"gnucash-user@gnucash.org".
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

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2018-04-10T09:51:58+0200 Saša Janiška wrote:
> E.g. gnucash-users list uses Mailman which does provide e.g. List-Id
> header for simple filtering...

Probably some weak webmail client full of non-free software through
client-side JavaScript, such as Gmail and Outlook's webmail. They do
have filters, but not generally good, and are somewhat enticing in a way
that the end-user never questions the features or misbehaviors provided,
such that they just use it as it is.

A rule of thumb for those reading through webmail or starting to
configure email clients: For emailing (not just mailing lists), use an
email client with POP3 for receiving and SMTP for sending --- make sure
to configure both with TLS and secure authentication ---, after this, go
to the *webmail* and order it to *not* send email to "Spam" or "Junk"
directories --- contact the webmail provider for details on how to do
this ---, instead send those emails to "INBOX" and have the suspicious
emails' subject appended with something like "*SPAM*", or do no subject
change and instead make the *email client* itself split by an antispam
header. Appending "*SPAM*" to the subject avoids having the annoying
situation in which someone sends you an important message but it's
forgotten in the junk/spam directory. I have sent a job application
November last year, but only got the read receipt (disposition
notification) last week, and the recipient had a Gmail/Hotmail email
address.
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

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2018-04-06T11:08:57+1000 Steve Parry wrote:
> when eye scanning and the option to have a mail client rule to filter
> them into a separate folder.

Some email clients, for example GNU Emacs Gnus, allows you to do email
splitting, in which you can make groups/directories that will hold email
messages that match a certain rule, and this can be done by testing for
the "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" email, or the corresponding bouncer.

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Re: Thanks and solution to "incorrect starting balance in reconcile."

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> There is no ’solved’ function of the mailing list. It’s not like a
> forum or ticketing system, it’s just group e-mail.
>
> The best practice if you find a solution you want to specify or
> document is to simply post it as a reply to the original
> thread. (rather than starting a new one)

For those unaware, he's referring to some common pitfalls that even I
made in the beginning of mailing list usage:

- Changing the "Subject" header field.

  Don't put "Solved" or anything. In maximum, you can put "Re:", "Fw:"
  and "(was: ...)", and for this last one, use it in the end.

  If you do want to change the subject only to start a completely
  different topic, do so using something like this: "Sub-topic B (was:
  Let's talk about A)".

  Some email clients or webmails do some nasty stuff with the message
  headers and with parts of the "Subject" field, such as nationalizing
  "Re:", "Fw:" and "(was: ...)", this makes other clients confused.

- Using "Compose new" or simple "Reply".

  Please use "Reply to list/group" instead. You can also use "Reply to
  all" but in this case the original poster will get duplicate emails
  unless you remove his address from the "To" field.

  "Reply" is for private replies to the original poster (in this case
  it's a good idea to change the "Subject" so that the person knows it's
  a private branch of the discussion). The other reply buttons are "wide
  replies".

  All in all, using reply buttons is better than "Compose new" because,
  if you take the time to use your email client or webmail to inspect
  the raw messages you receive, you will see interesting information
  such as "Message-ID", "In-Reply-To", and "References", all of these
  tell us about the hierarchy of the messages and their parent ones,
  when you do "Compose new", this information is lost unless you can
  force the email client or webmail to allow you to insert/add raw
  header fields to the message, in this case you will have to add the
  missing information manually.

  If I'm not mistaken, even if you happen to *not have* the original
  message that caome from this mailing list, you can go to the list's
  archive and once the message is found, you can do this:

  1. The email address of the person who wrote the message is actually a
 "mailto" URL, copy it and take the part between "In-Reply-To=" and
 the next "&" (if any future "&" exists), or the part between
 "In-Reply-To=" and the end (if no more "&" exists).

  2. You have now a percent/URL-encoded "In-Reply-To" field value. Like
 this:

 
%3CCADYgSbmaLUFqw8D%2BjqWqJTTVxc7TCYaQsks3VGA65W%3DbtJEoWA%40mail.gmail.com%3E

 "%3C", "%40" and "%3E" are "<", "@" and ">", respectively. Be aware
 that you will have to watch out and decode other two letters which
 appear after each percent sigh ("%").

All of this assumes that you are *not* using unofficial
mailing-list-to-forum forwarders such as Nabble.

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Re: Recent posts and replies missing issues in several GnuCash user threads

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> I doubt this. I believe mailman is smart enough to send the message only 
> once> if the direct mails are also list subscribers. I've been using 
> reply-all for a 

Not exactly, for one, the path taken when someone is in both a direct
recipient or an indirect recipient through a mailing list is somewhat
different. Most of the times the direct one arrives first.

What you probably refer to which seems to be helping you not get
duplicate messages is the client software.
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Re: Recent posts and replies missing issues in several GnuCash user threads

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> I have noticed an issue on my computer recently that Gmail is not always
> correctly displaying threads from the GnuCash user maillists.  I have

I'm not a Gmail user but I saw a similar thing happening in other
situations, not now.

a) In case your webmail or email client has the message you want to
   reply to, use "Reply to list/group" (or similar feature), not
   "Reply", nor "Compose new", even if you want to change the "Subject"
   header field.

   By "changing the subject" I mean this scenario: suppose someone
   mentions a thing inside topic A, however the thing is not directly
   related to topic A or is related but in part, so in both cases it
   might deserve to be in topic B instead, so it goes like this:

--8<---cut here---start->8---
A
  Re: A
B (was: A)
  Re: B
Re: A
  Re: A
--8<---cut here---end--->8---

   All these items are examples of literal "Subject" lines, including "B
   (was: A)".

b) If you don't have original message file in your webmail client or in
   your email client, but you know a place where it's archived: see if
   the archiver tells you about the "Message-ID" of the original
   message, or if it gives you a link or a button to reply to the
   message, this link/button must give you a "mailto" URL that should
   have an "In-Reply-To" header field. In both cases, the strange or
   often long thing that is in these fields is what tells both mailing
   list software, email clients, and webmail clients about the
   "identity" of *current* the message (Message-ID) and of the innermost
   parent (In-Reply-To). Without "In-Reply-To" a message that has the
   same "Subject" --- of a supposed parent email --- is actually
   unthreaded.

So in all cases, see if the problematic messages that were already sent
have the "In-Reply-To" header field, a "References" field together with
the other I just mentioned also helps. For those replying to future
messages, be sure to see (a) and (b).

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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

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> As you can see, such a question can generate more suggestions than
> people responding.

+1 (I agree), this is mostly because there is no single "Linux", every
GNU+Linux system distribution has different goals, different community
rules, views, software freedom status, and so on. It's like
clothing, some fit and some don't.

When someone says that they're using "Linux", that tells nothing both in
terms of which distro and if that distro's project is committed to
support only free/libre software or not.

Historically, and as is still today, it's common for distro projects to
combine tools from the GNU project together with Linux (kernel), or to
depend on some tools from GNU in order to make the kernel or some other
package. Linux (kernel) isn't the user-friendly or full-featured thing
we know about if we name it alone --- for example in phrases such as "I
use Linux" ---, so one can address the "set" of default packages in a
given distro by calling the distro's name --- /e.g.:/ "I use Trisquel"
(which is true by the way, :D) --- this should give credit to: GNU
project (if the distro uses or provides its software), Linux (assuming
this is the default kernel used), and all the people that contributed and
also those which sill contribute to the distro.

> Whatever distro you choose, use their forums for help on your specific
> problem. They’ll be able to provide more tailored assistance.

+1
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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

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> One of Mint's "improvements" over Ubuntu is additional drivers, partitularly
> closed source ones. Ubuntu (and Debian), like Red Hat Enterprise linux is
> fairly "strict" with reguard to being a totally open source distribution. Mint
> is "looser" in that reguard.

I see something off here, since Trisquel 7, 6 and Parabola are
free/libre distros --- not simply "open source" --- but some versions of
the Ethernet chipset/card/controller mentioned does seem to work.
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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

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> I have an iBUYPOWER intel core I5 computer with the Realtek 
> RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit ethernet controller, and usb:o 

According to h-node ([1][2]), at least in Trisquel 7, 6, and also in
Parabola, some of the revisions of that Ethernet controller work fine
([3]), but you have to pay attention to the *revision* ("rev" part).

> RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit ethernet controller, and usb:o 
> realtek generic usb device 802.11ac wlan adapter (usb 2), all built into 
> the motherboard.  The motherboard model is H170-pro.  Meaning I have no 

It seems that we have to try getting the wifi chipset/card/controller
information yet again, because it seems that the vendor/provider
informed you the device's "generic" name ([4]).

So, let's be more sustainability-friendly and consious consumers and
resist this temptation to use non-sustainable non-free software. :D
Follow the guide in [5] to get more information about the wifi
chipset/card/controller, and optionally other information about the rest
of the hardware.

> Does anyone have a suggestion on what flavor of Unix I should use on 
> this computer?     Wifi, networking and GnuCash are mandatory 
> requirements for me to switch.

I don't know if it's "Unix" or not --- since Unix is really old now ---,
but I highly recommend free/libre GNU+Linux system distributions such as
Trisquel, Parabola, GuixSD, and the list of recommendations goes
on... check [6][7] --- preferably the original English versions of these
pages --- for the full list. All of these distros are actively
maintained and have very helpful community.

In the next hardware/computer/cellphone/tablet/electronic you purchase,
it would be helpful to, instead of surrendering your precious money
immediatelly to the most common wrongdoers/manufacturers/providers,
contribute to a better free/libre software based world by buying a
equivalent product that is certified with Respects Your Freedom ([8]). In
this same reference, there are USB wifi dongles that you can use to
connect to wifi in case the default wifi chipset/card/controller doesn't
work.


[1] .

[2] h-node is a good resource, but must be a second choice since it is
only a workaround for the underlying problem, and I would recommend it
only to be used with used/old hardware, and only if there is absolutely
no way to raise funds to buy one device listed in [8]. Also, the absense
of a device in h-node simply means that no one registered a test there,
this doesn't mean that it doesn't work.

[3]
.

[4] These "generic" names are mostly to tell about capabilities, but
hide the possible trouble of having to install non-free software, it's a
way that these pesky providers found to lure people into not thinking on
the software freedom of those computer programs that people are using,
which is bad, because once people are lured into buying this stuff, they
tend to just accept the next step of installing crap because "we already
bought it, and are already here anyway".

[5] .

[6] .

[7] .

[8] 
or .

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Re: gnucash-user Digest, Vol 179, Issue 34

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

> wonder whether there is not much better software for
> topic discussions where each thread has its
> original title and the discussion of
> each topic is separate using
> dated messages, and
> author names in
> a clear format.

If I recall correctly, email already does what you want. The problem
seems to be the option that the person selected in their subscription
options to this mailing list.

> The message board systems I've encountered have this extra clarity.
> Are there no free ones?

Forums would only make stuff complicated unless there is a way to reply
by email directly to the email responsible for managing the forum topic,
and also most importantly: if the forum is not behind a wall of non-free
autonatically-executed client-side software writen in JavaScript (search
for "gnu javascript trap" for more information), which happens to
exclude most forum software.

I once *heard* that GNU Mailman version 3 has forum-like interface but
with proper mailing list integration. We are using GNU Mailman, but not
the last version, and I don't know why. I know little about the
internals of GnuCash project's infrastructure because I'm just a user.

Back to the problem of digests:

For those who are currently receiving digests: if you don't know how to
deal with them, or is like me (who doesn't want to bother
separating/looking for the right metadata in order to answer a message),
then I have a hint that will make everybody's life easier: Disable
digest in your subscription options.

Alternatively, the digest message itself says what you should do in
order to reply properly, this also includes changing the "Subject"
field/header of your message so as to match the one you are replying
(unless of course you want to start a new topic coming from that same
thread), so unless you don't understand it or don't want to deal with
this reply method: disable the digest and go back to one email message
per reply.

Now an advanced hint for those who decide to keep using the digests: it
also helps if you copy the value of the original message's "Message-ID"
field/header and insert it as the value for a field/header called
"In-Reply-To". Good email client software should be able to provide a
way for you to insert any field/header, not just "To", "Cc" or "Bcc".

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Re: Gnucash User Digest

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Or, don't use digests (go to your subscription options and disable
message digests). Not using digests makes things way simpler for those
who don't remember to take  the message from the digest.

2018-01-30T20:14:47-0600 Chris Smith wrote:
> Make sure you reply to the posting and not the Digest for Gnucash.
>
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Re: Please remove me from the mailing list

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

I have been a mailing list administrator for libreplanet-br for a year
now, and I recall that there is a place to put general text in the
mailing list description/listinfo page and in the footer of the email
message. Perhaps they can make use of that to post a link saying "hey,
if you use Nabble, the unsubscription must be done this way: ...".

2018-01-26T13:26:23+1100 Liz wrote:
> There isn't a place on the default mailman pages to put that. I'm sure
> Derek will say "patches welcome"
>
> :)
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Re: Linux Subsystem for Windows: GnuCash seems to work

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

For those curious, the true name is "GNU/kWindows" (per [1]).

Unfortunatelly, "Linux Subsystem for Windows" --- although used by
Microsoft --- doesn't reflect the name of th true component it tries to
provide.

[1] .

2017-12-03T22:26:26-0600 Edward Doolittle wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Something that may be of interest to some of you: I just installed the
> Linux Subsystem for Windows 10 (LSW) and successfully ran GnuCash. (I just
> opened the app and then closed it. I'll try more thorough tests later.) I
> don't know who would be interested in this other than developers, but
> perhaps someone out there is having trouble getting GnuCash running
> properly in Windows and could benefit from an alternative.
>
> Note that X applications are not officially supported under LSW, so there
> are occasional bugs (particularly with applications using audio). This is
> definitely a try-at-your-own-risk situation. On the other hand, there's
> nothing particularly special about an X client: it's just an ordinary
> program that communicates with an X server, so I see no problems running an
> X client in LSW as long as an X server is running and the two can
> communicate.
>
> If you are interested in trying, here are the steps:
>
> 1. Install the latest Windows 10 update by running "Windows 10 Update
> Assistant". Reboot.
> 2. Enable Windows Subsystem for Linux by running "Turn Windows Features on
> or off". Reboot.
> 3. Install Ubuntu or another distribution via the Windows Store.
> 4. Run it. Congratulations, you have a Ubuntu bash shell in Windows.
> 5. In the bash shell, "sudo apt-get update"
> 6. In the bash shell, "sudo apt-get install gnucash" (this gets version
> 2.6.12; other versions can be obtained in other ways)
> 7. While that is progressing, install an X server in Windows (if you don't
> have one already). I got Xming from Sourceforge. Make sure the X server is
> running.
> 8. In the Ubuntu bash shell, run "export DISPLAY=:0" (or whatever you need
> to point applications to the correct X server).
> 9. In the Ubuntu bash shell, run "gnucash".
>
> Windows files are accessible in the bash shell and presumably in GnuCash by
> browsing /mnt. I strongly recommend against opening your production GnuCash
> file in WSL/Ubuntu/gnucash; instead, copy your production file from (e.g.)
> /mnt/c/Users/Username/Documents/file.gnucash to /home/username using the
> bash shell and work with the copy instead.
>
> To repeat, I advise caution with this, in particular because X applications
> are not supported in LSW. But it does show great promise, I think.
>
> Edward

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Re: For UK users: Will gnucash get ready for Making Tax, Digital ?

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I see what you mean now... this seems similar to the copyright
related laws in China (which unfortunatelly make GPL'd software in a state
similar to public domain), there was a debate about this in
libreplanet-discuss
([[https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=%2Bsubject%3A%7Bsuggestion%2Fhelp.+GPL+enforcement.%7D&submit=Search%21&idxname=libreplanet-discuss&max=20&result=normal&sort=date%3Alate]]),
and so far, it's considered that, in the case of China, an *inside*
change is needed, although it doesn't turn the software as non-free, it
does pose a problem for GPL enforcement in China.

I guess the same *inside* intervention is needed in the case of those
affected by Making Tax Digital.

I guess the proccess of MTD could be simplified if the signature check
would be made against the accountant's signature (the person responsible
for things like: registering the transactions, checking if the
transactions registered by third-parties are correct, closing the
periodic book, and so on). The files produced by such accountant could
be signed using techniques like GnuPG.

However, I would like to note that it's important to avoid signing
techniques such as CAdES, XAdES and PAdES, because:

- I don't know if there is free/libre firmware that works with signing
  tokens.

- I don't know if there is free/libre module/driver that is able to
  interact with the token's firmware.

- I don't know if there is free/libre software that is able to
  understand how to understand, define and call basic operations
  concerning these standards.

This was indeed a recent debate during FLISoL 2017 Balneário Camboriú
([[https://flisol.info/FLISOL2017/Brasil/BalnearioCamboriu]]), a free
software event that happened in the city of Balneário Camboriú, Santa
Catarina, Brazil, Latin America. In that event, those involved noticed
the lack of knowledge of the existance of free/libre software to deal
with these standards.

Buddha Buck  writes:

> As far as I am aware, there shouldn't be any licensing issues on the FOSS
> side about including a government-granted key in the distribution. There are
> severe technical issues, which may impact licensing, in keeping the
> government-granted key a secret. Since the last bit is the important part, as
> far as the government key-granter is concerned, it becomes a problem. The
> nature of FOSS doesn't prevent people from making derivatives of the software
> and use the same key, which is also a problem as far as the government
> key-granter is concerned.
>
> There are also philosophical issues with creating FOSS software you can't
> change without breaking functionality, which the government-granted
> key-branding of authorized software would do. From the government
> key-grantor's perspective, changing the software invalidates the key, even if
> there isn't any way for them to tell. If it's illegal to use an invalid key
> (or a key from a different software package), then merely doing what FOSS is
> intended to allow you to do is breaking the law. If there's no way to modify
> a piece of FOSS software legally, is it really FOSS? I think not.
>
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 12:40 PM Adonay Felipe Nogueira
>  wrote:
>
>  Just to make usre that I'm clear: My last message about keeping *my*
>  mouth closed was a way to tell that *I* won't comment on that for now
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>  was not meant to be harsh towards someone.
>
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Re: Fwd: Re: GNUCash as a maintenance project?

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Indeed, I agree. :)

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Re: For UK users: Will gnucash get ready for Making Tax, Digital ?

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Just to make usre that I'm clear: My last message about keeping *my*
mouth closed was a way to tell that *I* won't comment on that for now
because I'd still have to study and gather proof. That is: That message
was not meant to be harsh towards someone.

I hope this helps. :)
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Re: For UK users: Will gnucash get ready for Making Tax, Digital ?

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Also, depending on how this VAT process is implemented, GnuCash could
make use of some Guile/Scheme modules to do the process of filling the
form, and downloading the PDF.

However, I'm not from the UK, so I don't know exactly where to go to in
order to do so. But, if I'm given a URL/location, I can try to help at
least on what information to send via automatic form filling.

Also, see
[[https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2017-July/071628.html]]
for a recent effort that might be of interest.

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Re: For UK users: Will gnucash get ready for Making Tax, Digital ?

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I don't know if there's a licensing issue or not in regards to having a
file include/inclusion with such key, so I'll just keep my mouth closed
for now on that matter. :)

Perhaps, though, instead of requiring a file include/inclusion that
would theoretically have the key, perhaps one could make the program
accept an optional configuration (or build) option that expects for the
string containing the key (not necessarily a file). Of course, this must
also be carefully studied because I don't know if there is a licensing
issue with this (or furthermore, a software freedom issue).
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Re: Name Does Not Show in Posts

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

I don't know how GNU Mailman works internally, but I guess that it's
used in cases where no nameing information is provided in the "From:"
field.

However, I noticed that your messages, prior to the fix, did provide a
name in that field. The "From:" field has the following syntax:

"Real Name in Quotes" 

Or without a name:

real-name@some-email-provider.something-else

However, in your case it was like this:

"real-name@some-email-provider.something-else" 

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Re: For UK users: Will gnucash get ready for Making Tax Digital ?

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Indeed, that kind of job is already being done.

I wonder what they really want with this MTD. Perhaps it's best to ask
them directly, pointing out that if their goal is to make tax
transactions happen digitally, then it's already being done, and also
telling them the issue with requiring "secret" identity to be registered
for a software to be accepted and what effect this has on free/libre
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Re: Name Does Not Show in Posts

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Hey, Paul W., it works. :)
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Re: GNUCash as a maintenance project?

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Please note that, as far as I'm aware, GnuCash Android isn't related to
GnuCash, and not even a GNU subproject, contrary to GnuCash.

About extending GnuCash for personal medical records: do you mean that
the user would be able to enter/import medical records about himself so
as to have some indication of how much of suger he can and has taken? I
have seen some projects dealing with this for some time, although I only
know GNU Health so far.

Also, about using GitHub: Any Git repository will do, not only
GitHub. See
[[https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria-evaluation.html]] for an
evaluation of some of the most popular hosting services. Note: GNU
Savannah supports: Git, GNU Bazaar, GNU Arch, GNU CVS, Mercurial,
Subversion, mailing lists, project custom pages, tasks/bugs/issue
trackers. In GNU Savannah you can toggle the features you want.

Also, about distros welcoming people: GuixSD system distribution, or
simply the GNU Guix package manager that can be installed in any system
distribution, would welcome anyone, besides having the plus of being
similar to Gentoo, offering roll-backs in case of trouble, and most
importantly: being free/libre software (as in freedom, not price). See
[[https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html]] and
[[https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-non-gnu-distros.html]] for a list of
free/libre system distributions, and also
[[https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html]] for a list of common
system distributions that are not recommended and why they aren't.

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Re: GnuCash mobile

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Hi Steve,

Indeed, we might need to make it so that GnuCash is provided to users of
mobile devices.

I wonder what GNU IceCat uses in order to provide that? Maybe those
interested can check GNU IceCat to see how it's done.

Also, as I talked with people in gnucash-devel (which is the right place
for this discussion): We can provide GnuCash to mobile users, although
we must make some ground solid also as to avoid complications that could
impact the essential freedoms of the software being used by the mobile
users --- after all, we're working for free/libre digital society (not
gratis).

As a note perhaps for future discussion in gnucash-devel instead: As a
*personal* suggestion, I would keep GNU Guile Scheme support at least in
desktop or notebook computers. I suggest this because such language is
extensible, easier to read and sanitized --- I can provide references to
these points if you do want, but I would rather discuss the continuation
in gnucash-devel instead. :)
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Re: Read *.gnucash

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

If SailfishOS can make use of GTK+, then perhaps it would indeed be most
beneficial to GnuCash community that you use the same source files
rather than making a whole new project.

I don't know if GnuCash already has this, but I guess what must be done
is try to make it so that the GTK interface acts responsively based on
window size --- so that in cases where the GnuCash window gets shrunk,
the buttoms get grouped inside another one like "...". This of course
assumes that the device *doesn't* have zooming and has a tiny screen.

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Re: GNUCash Android: how to unable to export OFX

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Copyright assignments to FSF are not required for GNU projects. They are
recommended, though.

They are recommended because the copyright holders have the option of
agreeing to stand up for the free/libre software movement, defending it
accordingly, and in such case, they can keep the current copyrights. See
[[http://www.gnu.org/help/evaluation.html#whatmeans]], where it says:

#+BEGIN_QUOTE
For a program to be GNU software does not require transferring copyright
to the FSF; that is a separate question. If you transfer the copyright
to the FSF, the FSF will enforce the GPL for the program if someone
violates it; if you keep the copyright, enforcement will be up to you.
#+END_QUOTE

Also, if I recall correctly, if a GNU project is decomissioned, it
should appear at [[http://www.gnu.org/software/]], but in the
"Decomissioned GNU packages" section.


Respectfully, Adonay.
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Re: Groups.io

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Indeed, I'm sorry about that.

I got carried away by Groups.io and Nabble. Now at least we know the
various options and possible advantages or disadvantages.
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Re: Groups.io

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> I am not using any special software to access; just my browser. 

That's the problem, website owners trick browsers into downloading and
using software automatically. You can take a proof of this by making a
simple .html document/page yourself, like so:

# Begin of file


  

  JavaScript disabled. Please answer this yourself: 2 + 2 = ?


  document.write("JavaScript enabled. The web browser will answer this for 
you: 2 + 2 = " + (2 + 2));

  

# End of file

As you can see: If JavaScript is disabled, your web browser won't be
tricked into running software automatically. Running software through
JavaScript isn't problematic. The problem is running *non-free* software
through JavaScript, because the language being used is made to run by
the visitor's web browser. This goes to show that the language used
doesn't matter.

Technical note: Some people advocate for a new web "client-side"
language, but changing the language doesn't change the fact that it's
still client-side, and most software is run automatically without a
standard way to check if it's free/libre software, and also will
probably not have a yes/no dialog or a whitelist.
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Re: Groups.io

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It's the first time I'm hearing about Nabble, but it seems that it
requires the website visitor to use non-free software.

The page you linked has the following non-free software:

- [[/util/jquery-1.7.2.pack.js]].

  - This one might be non-free. This depends on whether "the license
specified in the website's repository" exists, and also on how
Nabble proprietors interprete the Expat License (the license in
which jQuery 1.7.2 is provided by defautl), because the Expat
doesn't require the complete corresponding source files to be made
available somehow, it only allows you to "study", so it essentially
tells you to "accept this chunk of unreadable phrases that do
something and good luck trying to adapt it to your needs", although
it *is* good practice *from free/libre software activists* to
provide the complete corresponding source. See
[[https://jquery.org/license/#web-sites]].

- [[/util/nabbledropdown-2.4.1.pack.js]].

- [[/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=javascript_library&v=102]].

- [[http://trk.blasma.com/trk5.js?290694]].

- All the things between the various "" tags.

NOTE This list isn't exhaustive, there might be more non-free software
being forced to the visitors in that page.

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Re: GNUCash Android: how to unable to export OFX

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About GnuCash's association with GNU project: Interesting... the
following pages tell me otherwise:

- [[http://www.gnu.org/software/software.html#allgnupkgs]].

- [[http://www.gnu.org/manual/blurbs.html#gnucash]].

- [[http://www.gnu.org/graphics/package-logos.html]].

- [[http://www.gnu.org/manual/manual.html#Business]].

- [[http://www.gnu.org/software/gnucash/]].
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Re: GNUCash Android: how to unable to export OFX

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Interesting... Shouldn't our homepage say that such software isn't
supported by us?

Besides, it's a shame that they use Google Groups, because it forces the
website visitor to use non-free software automatically (through
JavaScript). Essentially, they *might* be missrepresenting a GNU
project.

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Re: Groups.io

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I wonder what exactly made it hard to maintian at our side... Was there
some customization you wanted to do? Or some bug you wanted to fix?

Perhaps other Namazu server software operators can join up to share
fixes and improvements, and perhaps even continue the Namazu project.

Also worth suggesting is: Talking with GNU.org and LibrePlanet.org
mailing lists system administrators (I think it's
[[mailto:sysad...@gnu.org]]), they may know people who are familiar with
the Namazu source files and way of working.
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Re: Groups.io

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I think that Namazu would be a good *complement* that allows this
current mailing list to be searched for.

A lot of mailing lists at GNU.org and LibrePlanet.org are using it.

I don't know how to install it, but I do use it in some mailing lists
from time to time.

Namazu is registered in the Free Software Directory:
[[https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Namazu]].

I said "complement" because there is no need to change the host, or
mailing list server software, it just works with GNU Mailman.

Also, keeping GNU Mailman avoids forcing the visitor to use non-free
software automatically through JavaScript, for the reasons why we must
avoid this problem, see
[[https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html]],
[[https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/restore-online-freedom/]]
and as a complement focused on security, see
[[https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/the-surreptitious-assault-on-privacy-security-and-freedom/]].

If there is really interest in changing the mailing list server
software, then we would probably need developers aware of the JavaScript
trap, so that these developers can make sure that the *visitor*/end-user
of the website receives the software's essential freedoms for every
piece of JavaScript he is forced to run (even if we know that such page
can be browsed with JavaScript disabled, because not every computer user
in the world is having JavaScript disabled by default).

NOTE I'm not a developer, but I'm like an "advertiser"/speaker of the
importance of all aspects of free/libre software movement, while also
offering basic consulting and basic training services related to
free/libre software and its movement.


Respectfully, Adonay.
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Re: Logo used with Tax Invoice has colors changed

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

* Friendly walkthrough

1. Install GIMP ([[https://www.gnu.org/software/gimp/]]).

2. Open the image with GIMP and, in the window where the image appears,
   go to: Image → Image properties.

3. In order for everything to be normal with the image, the "Color
   space" item must have something similar to "RGB".


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