[GNC] Tutorial for moving stock between accounts?
Are there any written or video tutorials for moving shares between stock accounts? There's very little about this in the manual or the list archives, and my attempts end up subtracting shares from one account and adding what appears to be USD to the other account. Jon ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Tutorial for moving stock between accounts?
David Cousens wrote: > It is not very clear what situation you are dealing with. One would not > usually move stock from one account to another as such. Their purchase or > sale would normally be recorded in an Asset:Invetment account of type Stock. > What you are recording is the exchange of money to or from your bank account > (another asset account) when you sell or buy the stock. If you are buying > and selling on overseas exchanges then you will have currency exchange > considerations as well. I do know how to record purchase and sale of securities, but that's not what I'm asking about. In this case I have literally moved the securities, by transferring shares directly from one broker to another. No purchase or sale occurred, and the basis information of the transferred shares is unchanged (albeit only a portion of the shares in the source account were transferred). Jon ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Tutorial for moving stock between accounts?
David Cousens wrote: > In that case it is fairly simple. If you open the transaction in the account > register they are in then edit the account entry split which debits them to > that account and just select the new account you want to move them to in the > drop down list. If you click on another transaction you will then get a > dialog asking whether you want to confirm the changes. This will remove the > transaction from that register. If you then open the new account register > you should see the transaction in the register for the new account. That would work if I were transferring all of the shares in the account to another account. But I'm only moving a portion of them (which I don't think I previously made clear - sorry for that). It may be that I end up having to synthesize new transactions that didn't actually occur to accomplish this (e.g. breaking the original purchase into two parts for the shares transferred / remaining), but I'd prefer the gnucash history to reflect actual events insofar as possible. There is very little about this topic in the mailing list archives. The last time someone asked was about 5 years ago, AFAICT, and it doesn't seem like the program is more capable in this area than it was in 2013. But I am hoping someone else has addressed this specific problem and documented how they accomplished it. Jon ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Tutorial for moving stock between accounts?
On Tue, Jan 01, 2019 at 10:35:03AM +, David T. wrote: > What part of creating a transaction that moves shares from the old account to > the new account does not work? It would seem to me that: > Old account decrease 100 shares > New account add shares > Would work just fine. Could you give a bit more detail? The way I know to 'decrease' or 'increase' shares is by Selling or Buying them in a split transaction, which also involves a cash account from which fees or proceeds are handled. But here the shares are moving between accounts, and no cash is involved. Maybe a framework for this is to say that I want to adjust the share count in the two security accounts in much the same way I adjust the cash value in two cash accounts - by moving the underlying commodity (shares or cash, respectively) between them. It might be more clear what I'm trying to accomplish, and why I'm stymied, if I show a couple of screenshots of a failed attempt. Attached src.jpg is of an account containing 33 shares of CEG (let's leave aside that the security no longer exists - this is only for demonstration purposes). dst.jpg shows another account denominated in the same security, and I'd like to transfer 13 of those 33 shares to it. Just to get the share counts correct, it seemed obvious to enter a transaction where I Transfer from the src to dst account, and enter a negative number of shares. This *does* adjust the share count correctly on the src side, but on the dst side (dst.gif) instead of showing a number of *shares* transferred, it shows a 'Buy' of 13.00 and zero resulting shares. I have also attempted to do this with a split, but (a) AFAICT there's no 'Action' in a split that relates to transferring shares between accounts - there are 'Sell', 'Buy', 'Fee', things related to dividends and capital gains, etc. - and (b) it insists on forcing a monetary Price on the transaction which makes the split imbalanced, even though no money whatsoever is involved. So this is why I'm hoping to find an actual detailed example of how to accomplish this transfer in the gnucash framework. I appreciate the responses, but none of it quite seems to speak to the thing I'm trying to accomplish - or I don't yet understand what people are saying I should do. Jon ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Tutorial for moving stock between accounts?
On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 05:38:13PM +0530, D wrote: > Jon, > > I can't test this right now, since I'm not at my machine... > > Try this: > > Open your source account. > > Move to the entry point in the register. > > Click the 'Split' button. Enter your description. > > Tab to the Shares field in the first split and type -13. > > Tab to the price field and type 0. > > Now, use **tab** to move to the Transfer field on the second line, set it to > your destination account and tab to shares and type 13. > > Does that work? Thanks! This works, for the most part. The share counts in source and destination accounts are altered correctly, which is enough to let me do what I need. It does set a Price of 1 for the second line and a Tot Buy of 13.00, and then creates a new Imbalance line in the split with a Tot Sell of 13.00. I cannot change the Price to 0 on the second line, unlike the first. Trying it results in it immediately being restored to 1, so the Imbalance seems unavoidable. I can set the Price to a non-zero number and make gnucash recalculate the Tot Buy / Imbalance fields, but that seems pointless, since there is no actual Price or cash associated with this transaction. Jon ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Tutorial for moving stock between accounts?
(BTW, sorry for messing up the threading. I have had a pending subscription request since before I started this thread, which still hasn't been approved, so I'm limited to responding to messages that are CCed directly to me, or cutting and pasting other content from the web archive). Christopher Lam wrote: > There may not be any internal technical restrictions preventing you from > directly decreasing the share count of a share account, and increasing in > another. > > However this is pretty much uncharted territory when it comes to reports > and reporting assumptions. > > Typically I'd expect someone who tries to move shares between brokers to be > liquidating their brokerage account, record any capital gains or losses, > and immediately buy shares in the other account. I don't know how typical my use case is, but that seems like an unwise thing to do, in general. I wouldn't want to realize capital gains or losses solely as a side effect of moving shares from one broker to another! All brokers I have accounts with have a process for directly transferring shares, usually just filling out a web form identifying the other broker and the specific shares / lots to transfer. Jon ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
