Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
Testing the Select-before-reply process. Appears to work by putting the selected text at the end. Hard to tell for sure because of those three dots symbols that Gmail splatters all over the place ... Sometimes an inaccurate answer escapes my aging brain, so I know that not all of my thoughts deserve to be preserved in the Smithsonian, anyway, I was careful to not point fingers because that leaves three pointing back at me. David Carlson On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:14 PM Adrien Monteleone < adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote: > There’s a trick with most mail clients, gmail included, that should help > trim some of that long message issue. > > Select the part you want to reply to, before hitting the reply button. > > This will only quote the selected portion. > > Of course, not everyone is so kind, (especially some newer digest users) > so you might end up with a few feet of scrolling occasionally anyway. > > Note, I just trimmed everything but your immediate message that I am > replying to. (and it is still top-posted) > > And for the record, I notice your messages frequently. They just don’t > normally require further comment. (at least not from me) > > Regards, > Adrien > > > On Jan 8, 2020 w2d8, at 11:23 AM, David Carlson < > david.carlson@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I usually reply at the top of a message because that is the way GMail > tries > > to force me to do it. I get tired of scrolling down to see if I missed > > something, but sometimes I have to do that anyway. Years ago I tried to > > reply at the bottom, but 22 message long threads got the best of me. > > > > Maybe that is why sometimes my answers do not get the notice that I think > > they deserve. > > > > Since threading has always seemed broken in GMail to me, I would not care > > if became missing altogether. > > > > David Carlson > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- David Carlson ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
There’s a trick with most mail clients, gmail included, that should help trim some of that long message issue. Select the part you want to reply to, before hitting the reply button. This will only quote the selected portion. Of course, not everyone is so kind, (especially some newer digest users) so you might end up with a few feet of scrolling occasionally anyway. Note, I just trimmed everything but your immediate message that I am replying to. (and it is still top-posted) And for the record, I notice your messages frequently. They just don’t normally require further comment. (at least not from me) Regards, Adrien > On Jan 8, 2020 w2d8, at 11:23 AM, David Carlson > wrote: > > I usually reply at the top of a message because that is the way GMail tries > to force me to do it. I get tired of scrolling down to see if I missed > something, but sometimes I have to do that anyway. Years ago I tried to > reply at the bottom, but 22 message long threads got the best of me. > > Maybe that is why sometimes my answers do not get the notice that I think > they deserve. > > Since threading has always seemed broken in GMail to me, I would not care > if became missing altogether. > > David Carlson ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 11:37 AM Derek Atkins wrote: > David, > > On Wed, January 8, 2020 12:23 pm, David Carlson wrote: > > I usually reply at the top of a message because that is the way GMail > > tries > > to force me to do it. I get tired of scrolling down to see if I missed > > something, but sometimes I have to do that anyway. Years ago I tried to > > reply at the bottom, but 22 message long threads got the best of me. > > > > Maybe that is why sometimes my answers do not get the notice that I think > > they deserve. > > Replying at the bottom encourages people to trim replies :) > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > -derek > > -- >Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 >de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com >Computer and Internet Security Consultant > > Derek, I saw your reply clearly! However, trimming takes a lot of time too, and the way Gmail reconstructs messages makes it is terribly inefficient. This message wasn't too bad. -- David Carlson ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
David, On Wed, January 8, 2020 12:23 pm, David Carlson wrote: > I usually reply at the top of a message because that is the way GMail > tries > to force me to do it. I get tired of scrolling down to see if I missed > something, but sometimes I have to do that anyway. Years ago I tried to > reply at the bottom, but 22 message long threads got the best of me. > > Maybe that is why sometimes my answers do not get the notice that I think > they deserve. Replying at the bottom encourages people to trim replies :) > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
I usually reply at the top of a message because that is the way GMail tries to force me to do it. I get tired of scrolling down to see if I missed something, but sometimes I have to do that anyway. Years ago I tried to reply at the bottom, but 22 message long threads got the best of me. Maybe that is why sometimes my answers do not get the notice that I think they deserve. Since threading has always seemed broken in GMail to me, I would not care if became missing altogether. David Carlson On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 10:38 AM Colin Law wrote: > The odd thing is that it started happening recently, so something > changed somewhere, and I have not seen the issue in any other lists. > > Colin > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 15:15, Fred Bone wrote: > > > > On 08 January 2020 at 0:13, Adrien Monteleone said: > > > > > David, > > > > > > It’s quite all right. I think it was just noticed first that some of > > > your replies were un-threaded. But as I noted also, this isn’t isolated > > > to just you. (and Derek might be on to something with the Android > angle) > > > > > > I guess we’ll see if changing Android clients ’solves’ the problem > > > from your end. That will be an interesting test. > > > > Whether it fixes the problem will depend partly on which client he > > switches to; and it isn't specific to any one operating system anyway. > > > > Generally, > > 1. Threading depends on the In-Reply-To: header, which should contain the > > data from the Message-ID: header in the message being replied to. > > 2. Some email clients fail to supply this header (when formatting the > > reply), in which case the threading is broken. > > 3. If you receive the plaintext (rather than MIME) digest, there is > > nowhere for the Message-ID: headers of the digested messages to go, so no > > mail client is going to be able to maintain threading. > > > > > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- David Carlson ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
The odd thing is that it started happening recently, so something changed somewhere, and I have not seen the issue in any other lists. Colin On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 15:15, Fred Bone wrote: > > On 08 January 2020 at 0:13, Adrien Monteleone said: > > > David, > > > > It’s quite all right. I think it was just noticed first that some of > > your replies were un-threaded. But as I noted also, this isn’t isolated > > to just you. (and Derek might be on to something with the Android angle) > > > > I guess we’ll see if changing Android clients ’solves’ the problem > > from your end. That will be an interesting test. > > Whether it fixes the problem will depend partly on which client he > switches to; and it isn't specific to any one operating system anyway. > > Generally, > 1. Threading depends on the In-Reply-To: header, which should contain the > data from the Message-ID: header in the message being replied to. > 2. Some email clients fail to supply this header (when formatting the > reply), in which case the threading is broken. > 3. If you receive the plaintext (rather than MIME) digest, there is > nowhere for the Message-ID: headers of the digested messages to go, so no > mail client is going to be able to maintain threading. > > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
On 08 January 2020 at 0:13, Adrien Monteleone said: > David, > > It’s quite all right. I think it was just noticed first that some of > your replies were un-threaded. But as I noted also, this isn’t isolated > to just you. (and Derek might be on to something with the Android angle) > > I guess we’ll see if changing Android clients ’solves’ the problem > from your end. That will be an interesting test. Whether it fixes the problem will depend partly on which client he switches to; and it isn't specific to any one operating system anyway. Generally, 1. Threading depends on the In-Reply-To: header, which should contain the data from the Message-ID: header in the message being replied to. 2. Some email clients fail to supply this header (when formatting the reply), in which case the threading is broken. 3. If you receive the plaintext (rather than MIME) digest, there is nowhere for the Message-ID: headers of the digested messages to go, so no mail client is going to be able to maintain threading. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
I think, though not fully certain, that something is messing up the In Reply To message ID, and the References section of the reply. Colin On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 06:23, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > > To be clear, I’m not trying to single anyone out but at least in the > ‘Chaning’ thread, one other user’s replies that un-threaded for me, twice > now, were from Tim Kallmer. > > Tim, If you’re reading this, please, if you don’t mind, chime in with your > client/workflow. Are you also by chance replying via an Android device? > > If so, that would make a 3-for-3 (Derek, David, Tim) and I’d say a good case > for narrowing the issue down. > > Even with that resolved, the mystery still lies as to why mailman still > partially threads the replies correctly but regular mail clients do not, and > then why this is suddenly noticeable. Perhaps a late December Android update > is the cause? As for the mailman issue, if that software properly threads the > replies, I can’t see why them being re-routed to users would be un-threaded. > I still think something in mailman is not working right on that count as the > messages are coming from mailman - not from the individual users. > > Regards, > Adrien > > > On Jan 8, 2020 w2d8, at 12:13 AM, Adrien Monteleone > > wrote: > > > > David, > > > > It’s quite all right. I think it was just noticed first that some of your > > replies were un-threaded. But as I noted also, this isn’t isolated to just > > you. (and Derek might be on to something with the Android angle) > > > > I guess we’ll see if changing Android clients ’solves’ the problem from > > your end. That will be an interesting test. > > > > Certainly, concerning replying to certain messages, rather than just the > > last one in the thread, I understand completely. I too always hit reply to > > the message I’m replying to, not just the last one in the list. It makes > > the conversation more understandable and meaningful. (and easier to follow > > later) But I don’t think that is what is at play here or even a factor. I > > think something is partially breaking threads, so that some of your replies > > appear as separate conversations to the rest of us, but looking at the > > archive, appear as replies to the original post, rather than replies to > > down-thread messages. So the archive thinks they still belong together > > (somewhat) but our clients are disjointing them entirely. It is quite a > > mystery so far. > > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > Regards, > > Adrien > > > >> On Jan 7, 2020 w2d7, at 9:55 PM, D wrote: > >> > >> As the one named offender on this thread, I will note that I access my > >> email from multiple devices, including a Windows laptop, an Android phone, > >> and a Kindle fire. The Yahoo! Mail app on Android would most likely be the > >> culprit, as they seem in a recent update to have disabled "Reply all" for > >> no apparent reason. I've attempted in those cases to paste in the users > >> email address, but I imagine that they are fucking with other aspects as > >> well, not that I really know. > >> > >> I am now trying a different Android client altogether, and perhaps it will > >> function better. > >> > >> As for not replying to the last message on a thread: I purposefully do > >> this when I wish to reply to a comment in a thread which has gone on to > >> discuss other, random topics that have absolutely nothing to do with the > >> original topic. That happens with regularity on this list, and it annoys > >> me. So, I return to the point in the thread to which I wish to reply. > >> > >> "D", the unthreading master. > > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
To be clear, I’m not trying to single anyone out but at least in the ‘Chaning’ thread, one other user’s replies that un-threaded for me, twice now, were from Tim Kallmer. Tim, If you’re reading this, please, if you don’t mind, chime in with your client/workflow. Are you also by chance replying via an Android device? If so, that would make a 3-for-3 (Derek, David, Tim) and I’d say a good case for narrowing the issue down. Even with that resolved, the mystery still lies as to why mailman still partially threads the replies correctly but regular mail clients do not, and then why this is suddenly noticeable. Perhaps a late December Android update is the cause? As for the mailman issue, if that software properly threads the replies, I can’t see why them being re-routed to users would be un-threaded. I still think something in mailman is not working right on that count as the messages are coming from mailman - not from the individual users. Regards, Adrien > On Jan 8, 2020 w2d8, at 12:13 AM, Adrien Monteleone > wrote: > > David, > > It’s quite all right. I think it was just noticed first that some of your > replies were un-threaded. But as I noted also, this isn’t isolated to just > you. (and Derek might be on to something with the Android angle) > > I guess we’ll see if changing Android clients ’solves’ the problem from your > end. That will be an interesting test. > > Certainly, concerning replying to certain messages, rather than just the last > one in the thread, I understand completely. I too always hit reply to the > message I’m replying to, not just the last one in the list. It makes the > conversation more understandable and meaningful. (and easier to follow later) > But I don’t think that is what is at play here or even a factor. I think > something is partially breaking threads, so that some of your replies appear > as separate conversations to the rest of us, but looking at the archive, > appear as replies to the original post, rather than replies to down-thread > messages. So the archive thinks they still belong together (somewhat) but our > clients are disjointing them entirely. It is quite a mystery so far. > > Thanks for the info. > > Regards, > Adrien > >> On Jan 7, 2020 w2d7, at 9:55 PM, D wrote: >> >> As the one named offender on this thread, I will note that I access my email >> from multiple devices, including a Windows laptop, an Android phone, and a >> Kindle fire. The Yahoo! Mail app on Android would most likely be the >> culprit, as they seem in a recent update to have disabled "Reply all" for no >> apparent reason. I've attempted in those cases to paste in the users email >> address, but I imagine that they are fucking with other aspects as well, not >> that I really know. >> >> I am now trying a different Android client altogether, and perhaps it will >> function better. >> >> As for not replying to the last message on a thread: I purposefully do this >> when I wish to reply to a comment in a thread which has gone on to discuss >> other, random topics that have absolutely nothing to do with the original >> topic. That happens with regularity on this list, and it annoys me. So, I >> return to the point in the thread to which I wish to reply. >> >> "D", the unthreading master. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
David, It’s quite all right. I think it was just noticed first that some of your replies were un-threaded. But as I noted also, this isn’t isolated to just you. (and Derek might be on to something with the Android angle) I guess we’ll see if changing Android clients ’solves’ the problem from your end. That will be an interesting test. Certainly, concerning replying to certain messages, rather than just the last one in the thread, I understand completely. I too always hit reply to the message I’m replying to, not just the last one in the list. It makes the conversation more understandable and meaningful. (and easier to follow later) But I don’t think that is what is at play here or even a factor. I think something is partially breaking threads, so that some of your replies appear as separate conversations to the rest of us, but looking at the archive, appear as replies to the original post, rather than replies to down-thread messages. So the archive thinks they still belong together (somewhat) but our clients are disjointing them entirely. It is quite a mystery so far. Thanks for the info. Regards, Adrien > On Jan 7, 2020 w2d7, at 9:55 PM, D wrote: > > As the one named offender on this thread, I will note that I access my email > from multiple devices, including a Windows laptop, an Android phone, and a > Kindle fire. The Yahoo! Mail app on Android would most likely be the culprit, > as they seem in a recent update to have disabled "Reply all" for no apparent > reason. I've attempted in those cases to paste in the users email address, > but I imagine that they are fucking with other aspects as well, not that I > really know. > > I am now trying a different Android client altogether, and perhaps it will > function better. > > As for not replying to the last message on a thread: I purposefully do this > when I wish to reply to a comment in a thread which has gone on to discuss > other, random topics that have absolutely nothing to do with the original > topic. That happens with regularity on this list, and it annoys me. So, I > return to the point in the thread to which I wish to reply. > > "D", the unthreading master. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
I have just had this happen to me while replying to a post by Matthew Lybanon originally titled "[GNC] Lost Data". My reply was tiled "Re: [GNC] Lost Data" and Matthew's reply to that post came back titled "Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 202, Issue 27 " which I replied to perpetuating the new thread before i realized this had happened. David Cousens - David Cousens -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
As the one named offender on this thread, I will note that I access my email from multiple devices, including a Windows laptop, an Android phone, and a Kindle fire. The Yahoo! Mail app on Android would most likely be the culprit, as they seem in a recent update to have disabled "Reply all" for no apparent reason. I've attempted in those cases to paste in the users email address, but I imagine that they are fucking with other aspects as well, not that I really know. I am now trying a different Android client altogether, and perhaps it will function better. As for not replying to the last message on a thread: I purposefully do this when I wish to reply to a comment in a thread which has gone on to discuss other, random topics that have absolutely nothing to do with the original topic. That happens with regularity on this list, and it annoys me. So, I return to the point in the thread to which I wish to reply. "D", the unthreading master. On Jan 8, 2020, 01:55, at 01:55, Adrien Monteleone wrote: >Thankfully then, it isn’t my lack of sanity or my mail client. > >But I don’t think that is the only user this happens for. I’ll have to >investigate and then try to find if those users have anything in >common. (like using a certain mail provider, but that also doesn’t >apply to other users who’s replies thread properly) That ‘Chaning’ >thread has a few breaks from at least one other user. And if someone is >reporting my own reply breaking thread, then something weird is going >on. (I’m just using reply-all to a message like always, though I do so >specifically on the message I’m replying to which may already have been >in a broken-off part of a thread) > >I do see ‘D’ appears to frequently reply to the original post (for the >‘Chaning’, thread at least) rather than replies, which might be part of >the issue (though it should still thread properly) but I do see one >such post from this user that was properly threaded on a different >subject. > >If only my client would let me combine and split conversations at will >when they come in wrong. (or are handled by the client improperly) > >Regards, >Adrien > >> On Jan 7, 2020 w2d7, at 1:23 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I anm using Thunderbird and watch only for mails from "D via >> gnucash-user" breaking threads. And also that are fixed in our >archive: >> >https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-January/thread.html >> >> Frank >> >> Am 07.01.20 um 20:08 schrieb Adrien Monteleone: >>> Starting in late December I noticed almost every subject is coming >in as separate threads at some point. >>> >>> An initial post is made, then a reply or two appears, then a >subsequent reply appears as a separate ‘conversation’, which might have >a reply or more, and then it splits off again. For some longer threads, >this can happen several times. >>> >>> I’m curious if anyone else is seeing this behavior or if it might >just be my mail client acting up. (MacOS Mail.app) >>> >>> This isn’t a case of getting a direct-addressed reply instead of the >one from the list. That happens on occasion, but even then Mail.app was >threading by subject. Each of the split conversations are all coming >from the list address. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Adrien >> > > >___ >gnucash-user mailing list >gnucash-user@gnucash.org >To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >- >Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
Adrien, I just checked, and Outlook appears to be keeping threads organized nicely (when using Conversation mode). Tried it again in a folder containing the list and archive dupe messages, and it grabs all of them to show in each conversation group. But I'm also getting hundreds of dupes (one from the list and one from the list archive). Does anyone have a solution for that? The archive version contains the instruction " If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below:" But that's wrong, since a reply to that email will always bounce as rejected. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
I am also seeing it recently in my GMail client, but it is not every message, or even messages identifiable by any pattern that I can see. Since I have often seen Google change how things work without warning, I am not overly surprised. Those who are annoyed should complain to them about it. On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 3:57 PM David Cousens wrote: > Adrien, > > Also experiencing the same issue when using Evolution as the mail client on > Linux Mint. I mainly use the Nabble interface to reply to emails but also > have them coming up in my email server (usually not threaded but it is an > option) to alert me when new messages are posted and the threads are > disassociated . It may be that posts from particular mail clients cause > this > rather than the receiving client. The list server doesn't seem to recognize > the subject and associate it with previous use of the same subject for some > reason. Tends to suggest that some users mail clients may be subtly > altering > the subject content in an unexpected way. > > David Cousens > > > > - > David Cousens > -- > Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- David Carlson ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
Adrien, Also experiencing the same issue when using Evolution as the mail client on Linux Mint. I mainly use the Nabble interface to reply to emails but also have them coming up in my email server (usually not threaded but it is an option) to alert me when new messages are posted and the threads are disassociated . It may be that posts from particular mail clients cause this rather than the receiving client. The list server doesn't seem to recognize the subject and associate it with previous use of the same subject for some reason. Tends to suggest that some users mail clients may be subtly altering the subject content in an unexpected way. David Cousens - David Cousens -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
Yes. And for the record, there have been no updates or changes to the mailman server recently. -derek On Tue, January 7, 2020 4:36 pm, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > Interesting... > > So the replies that break threads from a user might be coming from their > Android device, (as an example) but their replies that don’t break threads > might be coming from a desktop or laptop with a different client. > > Regards, > Adrien > >> On Jan 7, 2020 w2d7, at 3:32 PM, Derek Atkins wrote: >> >> It is not a list issue; it will be specific users or MUAs causing it. >> >> I know that when I responded to mail from my Android phone in the past >> it >> would dethread. (This was a while ago -- don't know if it still does >> that). >> >> -derek > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
Interesting... So the replies that break threads from a user might be coming from their Android device, (as an example) but their replies that don’t break threads might be coming from a desktop or laptop with a different client. Regards, Adrien > On Jan 7, 2020 w2d7, at 3:32 PM, Derek Atkins wrote: > > It is not a list issue; it will be specific users or MUAs causing it. > > I know that when I responded to mail from my Android phone in the past it > would dethread. (This was a while ago -- don't know if it still does > that). > > -derek ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
I’m still investigating. I don’t think the e-mail provider is an issue because that isn’t a common denominator for the senders. And it seems people confirming this so far are also on separate providers. I’m banking on either user-caused or perhaps an issue with mailman. I wonder if there was a config change or update to the list server recently. It appears to be happening with more than one user’s replies, but it might all be a result of their reply workflow. (so they coincidentally are following the same pattern that breaks threads) What is odd, is even looking at a single user, it doesn’t always happen. Maybe their workflow is not consistent. Regardless, the subject lines aren’t changed so our clients should not be breaking them up anyway unless the ‘in-reply-to’ header is getting mangled by mailman or the replier’s workflow. I also am curious to try to follow the actual reply-flow in the archive and see if they are broken there as well. (which might indicate a mailman problem) At least for one thread, all replies appear nested in the archive under the original post, but they may not be nested past the first level properly. Regards, Adrien > On Jan 7, 2020 w2d7, at 3:24 PM, Colin Law wrote: > > I am seeing this too (using gmail) and it is rather annoying. I > assumed it was a list issue, but do you think it is particular users > that are causing it? > > Colin > > On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 19:11, Adrien Monteleone > wrote: >> >> Starting in late December I noticed almost every subject is coming in as >> separate threads at some point. >> >> An initial post is made, then a reply or two appears, then a subsequent >> reply appears as a separate ‘conversation’, which might have a reply or >> more, and then it splits off again. For some longer threads, this can happen >> several times. >> >> I’m curious if anyone else is seeing this behavior or if it might just be my >> mail client acting up. (MacOS Mail.app) >> >> This isn’t a case of getting a direct-addressed reply instead of the one >> from the list. That happens on occasion, but even then Mail.app was >> threading by subject. Each of the split conversations are all coming from >> the list address. >> >> Regards, >> Adrien ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
It is not a list issue; it will be specific users or MUAs causing it. I know that when I responded to mail from my Android phone in the past it would dethread. (This was a while ago -- don't know if it still does that). -derek On Tue, January 7, 2020 4:24 pm, Colin Law wrote: > I am seeing this too (using gmail) and it is rather annoying. I > assumed it was a list issue, but do you think it is particular users > that are causing it? > > Colin > > On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 19:11, Adrien Monteleone > wrote: >> >> Starting in late December I noticed almost every subject is coming in as >> separate threads at some point. >> >> An initial post is made, then a reply or two appears, then a subsequent >> reply appears as a separate ‘conversation’, which might have a reply or >> more, and then it splits off again. For some longer threads, this can >> happen several times. >> >> I’m curious if anyone else is seeing this behavior or if it might just >> be my mail client acting up. (MacOS Mail.app) >> >> This isn’t a case of getting a direct-addressed reply instead of the one >> from the list. That happens on occasion, but even then Mail.app was >> threading by subject. Each of the split conversations are all coming >> from the list address. >> >> Regards, >> Adrien >> ___ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> - >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
I am seeing this too (using gmail) and it is rather annoying. I assumed it was a list issue, but do you think it is particular users that are causing it? Colin On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 19:11, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > > Starting in late December I noticed almost every subject is coming in as > separate threads at some point. > > An initial post is made, then a reply or two appears, then a subsequent reply > appears as a separate ‘conversation’, which might have a reply or more, and > then it splits off again. For some longer threads, this can happen several > times. > > I’m curious if anyone else is seeing this behavior or if it might just be my > mail client acting up. (MacOS Mail.app) > > This isn’t a case of getting a direct-addressed reply instead of the one from > the list. That happens on occasion, but even then Mail.app was threading by > subject. Each of the split conversations are all coming from the list address. > > Regards, > Adrien > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
Thankfully then, it isn’t my lack of sanity or my mail client. But I don’t think that is the only user this happens for. I’ll have to investigate and then try to find if those users have anything in common. (like using a certain mail provider, but that also doesn’t apply to other users who’s replies thread properly) That ‘Chaning’ thread has a few breaks from at least one other user. And if someone is reporting my own reply breaking thread, then something weird is going on. (I’m just using reply-all to a message like always, though I do so specifically on the message I’m replying to which may already have been in a broken-off part of a thread) I do see ‘D’ appears to frequently reply to the original post (for the ‘Chaning’, thread at least) rather than replies, which might be part of the issue (though it should still thread properly) but I do see one such post from this user that was properly threaded on a different subject. If only my client would let me combine and split conversations at will when they come in wrong. (or are handled by the client improperly) Regards, Adrien > On Jan 7, 2020 w2d7, at 1:23 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger > wrote: > > Hi, > > I anm using Thunderbird and watch only for mails from "D via > gnucash-user" breaking threads. And also that are fixed in our archive: > https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-January/thread.html > > Frank > > Am 07.01.20 um 20:08 schrieb Adrien Monteleone: >> Starting in late December I noticed almost every subject is coming in as >> separate threads at some point. >> >> An initial post is made, then a reply or two appears, then a subsequent >> reply appears as a separate ‘conversation’, which might have a reply or >> more, and then it splits off again. For some longer threads, this can happen >> several times. >> >> I’m curious if anyone else is seeing this behavior or if it might just be my >> mail client acting up. (MacOS Mail.app) >> >> This isn’t a case of getting a direct-addressed reply instead of the one >> from the list. That happens on occasion, but even then Mail.app was >> threading by subject. Each of the split conversations are all coming from >> the list address. >> >> Regards, >> Adrien > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
Hi, I anm using Thunderbird and watch only for mails from "D via gnucash-user" breaking threads. And also that are fixed in our archive: https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-January/thread.html Frank Am 07.01.20 um 20:08 schrieb Adrien Monteleone: > Starting in late December I noticed almost every subject is coming in as > separate threads at some point. > > An initial post is made, then a reply or two appears, then a subsequent reply > appears as a separate ‘conversation’, which might have a reply or more, and > then it splits off again. For some longer threads, this can happen several > times. > > I’m curious if anyone else is seeing this behavior or if it might just be my > mail client acting up. (MacOS Mail.app) > > This isn’t a case of getting a direct-addressed reply instead of the one from > the list. That happens on occasion, but even then Mail.app was threading by > subject. Each of the split conversations are all coming from the list address. > > Regards, > Adrien ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
Yes. In fact it just happened with your latest reply to the “Chaning …” thread. > On Jan 7, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Adrien Monteleone > wrote: > > Starting in late December I noticed almost every subject is coming in as > separate threads at some point. > > An initial post is made, then a reply or two appears, then a subsequent reply > appears as a separate ‘conversation’, which might have a reply or more, and > then it splits off again. For some longer threads, this can happen several > times. > > I’m curious if anyone else is seeing this behavior or if it might just be my > mail client acting up. (MacOS Mail.app) > > This isn’t a case of getting a direct-addressed reply instead of the one from > the list. That happens on occasion, but even then Mail.app was threading by > subject. Each of the split conversations are all coming from the list address. > > Regards, > Adrien > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Anyone noticing an issue with list messages 'un-threading'?
Starting in late December I noticed almost every subject is coming in as separate threads at some point. An initial post is made, then a reply or two appears, then a subsequent reply appears as a separate ‘conversation’, which might have a reply or more, and then it splits off again. For some longer threads, this can happen several times. I’m curious if anyone else is seeing this behavior or if it might just be my mail client acting up. (MacOS Mail.app) This isn’t a case of getting a direct-addressed reply instead of the one from the list. That happens on occasion, but even then Mail.app was threading by subject. Each of the split conversations are all coming from the list address. Regards, Adrien ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
