Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Peter Ratzlaff]

GSettings is something with which I'm not really familiar, but here is 
the situation.


On the 21.10 installation, where compiled gnucash 4.9 works as expected,

$ gsettings  list-schemas | grep -i gnucash
org.gnucash.dialogs.account
org.gnucash.dialogs.sxs.since-last-run
...

There are 68 of these entries, none of them beginning with 
org.gnucash.GnuCash. Confusingly (at least to me), there *is* an 
org.gnucash.GnuCash tree in dconf-editor.


Then, on the 22.04 installation, where gnucash 4.9 does *not* work as 
expected, the above gsettings command outputs the same schemas, but also 
another matching each one in the org.gnucash.GnuCash tree, e.g.,


org.gnucash.GnuCash.dialogs.account
org.gnucash.GnuCash.dialogs.sxs.since-last-run
...

There are 136 of these org.gnucash and org.gnucash.GnuCash schemas on 
the 22.04 machine.


I hope some sense can be made of this.

On 3/11/22 12:45, john wrote:
Sorry, I understood that you had built 4.9 on Ubuntu 21.10 and that on 
22.04 you're using the Ubuntu-built GnuCash, which 
https://packages.ubuntu.com/  tells me is 4.8.


According to https://packages.ubuntu.com/ 
 Ubuntu 21.10 provides GnuCash 4.4 and 
that might be a source of the problem with a self-built GnuCash 4.9: In 
4.7 we changed the GSettings schema from org.gnucash to 
org,gnucash.GnuCash because flatpak insists on the latter 3-part form. 
We included a migration script for moving the data, but thanks to the 
way GSettings works the build will get messed up if the old schemas are 
installed or the build directory isn't empty when you run cmake. 
Depending on how you installed it that might be affecting your 4.9 build.


You might find the thread beginning with 
_https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2021-October/097926.html 
 
_helpful.


BTW, I don't see an answer to your original question about old release 
notes. If you scroll all the way to the bottom of the page at 
https://www.gnucash.org/news.phtml 
 you'll find the line "Click here 
for older announcements". That leads to 
https://www.gnucash.org/oldnews.phtml 
 which has all of the release 
notes going back to 1.2.2 in 2000.


Regards,
John Ralls


On Mar 10, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Peter Ratzlaff > wrote:


Am I misunderstanding what "building GnuCash in the 22.04 development 
environment" means? I have compiled gnucash on a 22.04 installation, 
and it results in gnucash having the issues of preferences not being 
honored.


On 3/10/22 23:46, john wrote:
Preferences are mediated through GSettings, a feature of Glib-2.0. 
Although the Gnome folks work really hard to maintain ABI consistency 
it's really hard. Try building GnuCash in the 22.04 development 
environment to see if that resolves the problem.
Gnome also provides a build environment in a flatpak called Gnome 
Builder, see https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Builder 
 
>. That may help you sort out if 
the problem is with GLib, Ubunutu, or somewhere else.

Regards,
John Ralls
On Mar 10, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Peter Ratzlaff  >> wrote:


Actually, I spoke too soon. I had built 4.9 on a 21.10 installation 
and it worked fine. Then building it on 22.04 results in the 
preferences and report plot problems again. So there's something 
about the way that the rest of the 22.04 system interacts with 
gnucash, which is the problem.


On 3/10/22 20:46, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
4.9 itself is a released version, but the packager may have built 
it against an earlier Ubuntu target, so it might not work properly. 
(the GnuCash team doesn't release .debs or maintain the Ubuntu repo 
version)

Glad to hear you got it straight with a custom build.
Maybe let the package maintainer know what's up so they can upload 
a working build into the repo for release day.

Regards,
Adrien
On 3/10/22 4:16 PM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
True, the release has only seen a feature freeze so far, and beta 
status is a few weeks away. I've compiled gnucash 4.9 from source 
and it is working perfectly fine. For now I will assume the Ubuntu 
package is causing the problem.

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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[john]

Sorry, I understood that you had built 4.9 on Ubuntu 21.10 and that on 22.04 
you're using the Ubuntu-built GnuCash, which https://packages.ubuntu.com/ 
 tells me is 4.8.

According to https://packages.ubuntu.com/  Ubuntu 
21.10 provides GnuCash 4.4 and that might be a source of the problem with a 
self-built GnuCash 4.9: In 4.7 we changed the GSettings schema from org.gnucash 
to org,gnucash.GnuCash because flatpak insists on the latter 3-part form. We 
included a migration script for moving the data, but thanks to the way 
GSettings works the build will get messed up if the old schemas are installed 
or the build directory isn't empty when you run cmake. Depending on how you 
installed it that might be affecting your 4.9 build.

You might find the thread beginning with 
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2021-October/097926.html 
 
helpful.

BTW, I don't see an answer to your original question about old release notes. 
If you scroll all the way to the bottom of the page at 
https://www.gnucash.org/news.phtml  you'll 
find the line "Click here for older announcements". That leads to 
https://www.gnucash.org/oldnews.phtml  
which has all of the release notes going back to 1.2.2 in 2000.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Mar 10, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Peter Ratzlaff  wrote:
> 
> Am I misunderstanding what "building GnuCash in the 22.04 development 
> environment" means? I have compiled gnucash on a 22.04 installation, and it 
> results in gnucash having the issues of preferences not being honored.
> 
> On 3/10/22 23:46, john wrote:
>> Preferences are mediated through GSettings, a feature of Glib-2.0. Although 
>> the Gnome folks work really hard to maintain ABI consistency it's really 
>> hard. Try building GnuCash in the 22.04 development environment to see if 
>> that resolves the problem.
>> Gnome also provides a build environment in a flatpak called Gnome Builder, 
>> see https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Builder 
>> . That may help you sort out if the 
>> problem is with GLib, Ubunutu, or somewhere else.
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>>> On Mar 10, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Peter Ratzlaff >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, I spoke too soon. I had built 4.9 on a 21.10 installation and it 
>>> worked fine. Then building it on 22.04 results in the preferences and 
>>> report plot problems again. So there's something about the way that the 
>>> rest of the 22.04 system interacts with gnucash, which is the problem.
>>> 
>>> On 3/10/22 20:46, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
 4.9 itself is a released version, but the packager may have built it 
 against an earlier Ubuntu target, so it might not work properly. (the 
 GnuCash team doesn't release .debs or maintain the Ubuntu repo version)
 Glad to hear you got it straight with a custom build.
 Maybe let the package maintainer know what's up so they can upload a 
 working build into the repo for release day.
 Regards,
 Adrien
 On 3/10/22 4:16 PM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
> True, the release has only seen a feature freeze so far, and beta status 
> is a few weeks away. I've compiled gnucash 4.9 from source and it is 
> working perfectly fine. For now I will assume the Ubuntu package is 
> causing the problem.
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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Peter Ratzlaff]

Am I misunderstanding what "building GnuCash in the 22.04 development 
environment" means? I have compiled gnucash on a 22.04 installation, and 
it results in gnucash having the issues of preferences not being honored.


On 3/10/22 23:46, john wrote:
Preferences are mediated through GSettings, a feature of Glib-2.0. 
Although the Gnome folks work really hard to maintain ABI consistency 
it's really hard. Try building GnuCash in the 22.04 development 
environment to see if that resolves the problem.


Gnome also provides a build environment in a flatpak called Gnome 
Builder, see https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Builder 
. That may help you sort out if the 
problem is with GLib, Ubunutu, or somewhere else.


Regards,
John Ralls


On Mar 10, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Peter Ratzlaff > wrote:


Actually, I spoke too soon. I had built 4.9 on a 21.10 installation 
and it worked fine. Then building it on 22.04 results in the 
preferences and report plot problems again. So there's something about 
the way that the rest of the 22.04 system interacts with gnucash, 
which is the problem.


On 3/10/22 20:46, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
4.9 itself is a released version, but the packager may have built it 
against an earlier Ubuntu target, so it might not work properly. (the 
GnuCash team doesn't release .debs or maintain the Ubuntu repo version)

Glad to hear you got it straight with a custom build.
Maybe let the package maintainer know what's up so they can upload a 
working build into the repo for release day.

Regards,
Adrien
On 3/10/22 4:16 PM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
True, the release has only seen a feature freeze so far, and beta 
status is a few weeks away. I've compiled gnucash 4.9 from source 
and it is working perfectly fine. For now I will assume the Ubuntu 
package is causing the problem.

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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[john]

Preferences are mediated through GSettings, a feature of Glib-2.0. Although the 
Gnome folks work really hard to maintain ABI consistency it's really hard. Try 
building GnuCash in the 22.04 development environment to see if that resolves 
the problem.

Gnome also provides a build environment in a flatpak called Gnome Builder, see 
https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Builder . That 
may help you sort out if the problem is with GLib, Ubunutu, or somewhere else.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Mar 10, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Peter Ratzlaff  wrote:
> 
> Actually, I spoke too soon. I had built 4.9 on a 21.10 installation and it 
> worked fine. Then building it on 22.04 results in the preferences and report 
> plot problems again. So there's something about the way that the rest of the 
> 22.04 system interacts with gnucash, which is the problem.
> 
> On 3/10/22 20:46, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>> 4.9 itself is a released version, but the packager may have built it against 
>> an earlier Ubuntu target, so it might not work properly. (the GnuCash team 
>> doesn't release .debs or maintain the Ubuntu repo version)
>> Glad to hear you got it straight with a custom build.
>> Maybe let the package maintainer know what's up so they can upload a working 
>> build into the repo for release day.
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>> On 3/10/22 4:16 PM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
>>> True, the release has only seen a feature freeze so far, and beta status is 
>>> a few weeks away. I've compiled gnucash 4.9 from source and it is working 
>>> perfectly fine. For now I will assume the Ubuntu package is causing the 
>>> problem.
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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Peter Ratzlaff]

Actually, I spoke too soon. I had built 4.9 on a 21.10 installation and 
it worked fine. Then building it on 22.04 results in the preferences and 
report plot problems again. So there's something about the way that the 
rest of the 22.04 system interacts with gnucash, which is the problem.


On 3/10/22 20:46, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
4.9 itself is a released version, but the packager may have built it 
against an earlier Ubuntu target, so it might not work properly. (the 
GnuCash team doesn't release .debs or maintain the Ubuntu repo version)


Glad to hear you got it straight with a custom build.

Maybe let the package maintainer know what's up so they can upload a 
working build into the repo for release day.


Regards,
Adrien

On 3/10/22 4:16 PM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:

True, the release has only seen a feature freeze so far, and beta 
status is a few weeks away. I've compiled gnucash 4.9 from source and 
it is working perfectly fine. For now I will assume the Ubuntu package 
is causing the problem.


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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Adrien Monteleone]

4.9 itself is a released version, but the packager may have built it 
against an earlier Ubuntu target, so it might not work properly. (the 
GnuCash team doesn't release .debs or maintain the Ubuntu repo version)


Glad to hear you got it straight with a custom build.

Maybe let the package maintainer know what's up so they can upload a 
working build into the repo for release day.


Regards,
Adrien

On 3/10/22 4:16 PM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:

True, the release has only seen a feature freeze so far, and beta status 
is a few weeks away. I've compiled gnucash 4.9 from source and it is 
working perfectly fine. For now I will assume the Ubuntu package is 
causing the problem.


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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Peter Ratzlaff]

On 3/10/22 16:49, Bret Busby wrote:

On 10/3/22 11:12 pm, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
I've just upgraded from Ubuntu 21.10 (gnucash 3.8) to 22.04 (gnucash 
4.9), and am seeing some odd behaviour. These are just the things I 
immediately notice.




When gnucash is run without a command line argument, it no longer 
opens the most recently-opened file. The specific filename must be 
given each time.




Income accounts now have negative balances. Same for equity. Liability 
balance signs are flipped as well.




I have a saved report which generates a plot of assets over time, and 
that report no longer displays the plot. The table of values vs time 
is still printed and the numbers look correct. This seems like it 
could be some sort of unmet graphics package dependency, but there is 
no error message generated on the terminal or in the GUI.




There seems to be nothing on the "GnuCash News" page at 
https://www.gnucash.org/news.phtml, on the changes introduced in 
gnucash 4.0. Is there somewhere else to find them?




Thanks for any input.


I understood that Ubuntu 22.04 is not due to be released for another six 
weeks.


Are you using an alpha  test version?

Thence, is the software (applications), also, alpha test version?



True, the release has only seen a feature freeze so far, and beta status 
is a few weeks away. I've compiled gnucash 4.9 from source and it is 
working perfectly fine. For now I will assume the Ubuntu package is 
causing the problem.

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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Bret Busby]

On 10/3/22 11:12 pm, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
I've just upgraded from Ubuntu 21.10 (gnucash 3.8) to 22.04 (gnucash 
4.9), and am seeing some odd behaviour. These are just the things I 
immediately notice.




When gnucash is run without a command line argument, it no longer opens 
the most recently-opened file. The specific filename must be given each 
time.




Income accounts now have negative balances. Same for equity. Liability 
balance signs are flipped as well.




I have a saved report which generates a plot of assets over time, and 
that report no longer displays the plot. The table of values vs time is 
still printed and the numbers look correct. This seems like it could be 
some sort of unmet graphics package dependency, but there is no error 
message generated on the terminal or in the GUI.




There seems to be nothing on the "GnuCash News" page at 
https://www.gnucash.org/news.phtml, on the changes introduced in gnucash 
4.0. Is there somewhere else to find them?




Thanks for any input.


I understood that Ubuntu 22.04 is not due to be released for another six 
weeks.


Are you using an alpha  test version?

Thence, is the software (applications), also, alpha test version?

--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Peter Ratzlaff]

On 3/10/22 11:04, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:



On 3/10/22 10:54, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

On 3/10/22 9:12 AM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
Income accounts now have negative balances. Same for equity. 
Liability balance signs are flipped as well.


That's a preference. Did other preferences not carry over?

Investigate the Wiki for GnuCash storage locations and check to see if 
your preference file is intact. (and if not, you can restore it from a 
backup)


Try Actions > Check & Repair > Check & Repair All. That should be done 
after each major version jump. (One would think it should 
automatically run on such an upgrade, and maybe it does, but sometimes 
it might not work I suppose)



I have a saved report which generates a plot of assets over time, and 
that report no longer displays the plot. The table of values vs time 
is still printed and the numbers look correct. This seems like it 
could be some sort of unmet graphics package dependency, but there is 
no error message generated on the terminal or in the GUI.


The Wiki also has a list of dependencies you can check.

How did you install GnuCash?



Yes, I'm beginning to see that this is all about preferences not being 
carried over. Even when I modify preferences in 4.9, they are not being 
saved.


I installed with the Ubuntu 22.04 repository packages.


So, I've messed up this entire query right from the subject line. Turns 
out I was previously running gnucash version 4.4, and now I've updated 
to 4.8.


Anyway, I've completely removed ~/.{config,cache,local/share}/gnucash 
and started over. Still my preference changes are not being saved. That 
seems to be the biggest issue. As for the assets over time report plot, 
it isn't displayed in gnucash, but export to HTML does result in the 
expected graphic.

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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Peter Ratzlaff]

On 3/10/22 10:54, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

On 3/10/22 9:12 AM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
Income accounts now have negative balances. Same for equity. Liability 
balance signs are flipped as well.


That's a preference. Did other preferences not carry over?

Investigate the Wiki for GnuCash storage locations and check to see if 
your preference file is intact. (and if not, you can restore it from a 
backup)


Try Actions > Check & Repair > Check & Repair All. That should be done 
after each major version jump. (One would think it should automatically 
run on such an upgrade, and maybe it does, but sometimes it might not 
work I suppose)



I have a saved report which generates a plot of assets over time, and 
that report no longer displays the plot. The table of values vs time 
is still printed and the numbers look correct. This seems like it 
could be some sort of unmet graphics package dependency, but there is 
no error message generated on the terminal or in the GUI.


The Wiki also has a list of dependencies you can check.

How did you install GnuCash?



Yes, I'm beginning to see that this is all about preferences not being 
carried over. Even when I modify preferences in 4.9, they are not being 
saved.


I installed with the Ubuntu 22.04 repository packages.
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Re: [GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Adrien Monteleone]

On 3/10/22 9:12 AM, Peter Ratzlaff wrote:
Income accounts now have negative balances. Same for equity. Liability 
balance signs are flipped as well.


That's a preference. Did other preferences not carry over?

Investigate the Wiki for GnuCash storage locations and check to see if 
your preference file is intact. (and if not, you can restore it from a 
backup)


Try Actions > Check & Repair > Check & Repair All. That should be done 
after each major version jump. (One would think it should automatically 
run on such an upgrade, and maybe it does, but sometimes it might not 
work I suppose)



I have a saved report which generates a plot of assets over time, and 
that report no longer displays the plot. The table of values vs time is 
still printed and the numbers look correct. This seems like it could be 
some sort of unmet graphics package dependency, but there is no error 
message generated on the terminal or in the GUI.


The Wiki also has a list of dependencies you can check.

How did you install GnuCash?

Regards,
Adrien

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[GNC] Changes in gnucash 4 vs 3

[Peter Ratzlaff]

I've just upgraded from Ubuntu 21.10 (gnucash 3.8) to 22.04 (gnucash 
4.9), and am seeing some odd behaviour. These are just the things I 
immediately notice.




When gnucash is run without a command line argument, it no longer opens 
the most recently-opened file. The specific filename must be given each 
time.




Income accounts now have negative balances. Same for equity. Liability 
balance signs are flipped as well.




I have a saved report which generates a plot of assets over time, and 
that report no longer displays the plot. The table of values vs time is 
still printed and the numbers look correct. This seems like it could be 
some sort of unmet graphics package dependency, but there is no error 
message generated on the terminal or in the GUI.




There seems to be nothing on the "GnuCash News" page at 
https://www.gnucash.org/news.phtml, on the changes introduced in gnucash 
4.0. Is there somewhere else to find them?




Thanks for any input.
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