Re: [GNC] Difficulties entering share purchases

[Eric Coates via gnucash-user]

Hi

For those who remember this topic (and to sign it off):

It's been a while but I've finally got round to reinstalling Ubuntu onto 
my main machine and the problem has gone away.


Take care

Eric

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On 28/07/2021 20:32, Eric Coates via gnucash-user wrote:


Thus, I suspect that I need to reinstall Ubuntu on my main machine 
(but that's not lightly undertaken even having had lots of practice of 
ding it in the past). In the meantime using the old, painfully slow 
second machine for GnuCash will have to suffice.


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Re: [GNC] Difficulties entering share purchases

[Eric Coates via gnucash-user]

David

I'm not sure I understand the significance of much of your second 
paragraph but ...


I have installed Ubuntu 21.04 on a different machine and installed 
GnuCash 4.4 thereon and the behaviour I reported earlier is NOT 
apparent. Using my customary practice of cloning an earlier share 
purchase I am able to modify the numerical details (number of shares, 
price of the shares and the total price) and get sensible results albeit 
I don't always get the "which do you want to change" question.


I then removed GnuCash from my main machine and reinstalled it but the 
errant behaviour I noted persists.


As I am 99.9% certain that the data and the GnuCash package on each 
machine are identical my suspicion falls on the set up on my main 
machine. I don't think it's the X Org/Wayland settings that are to blame 
(I get identical behaviour whichever I choose).


Thus, I suspect that I need to reinstall Ubuntu on my main machine (but 
that's not lightly undertaken even having had lots of practice of ding 
it in the past). In the meantime using the old, painfully slow second 
machine for GnuCash will have to suffice.


For what it's worth: the errant machine is running Ubuntu 21.04 (with 
all security patches installed) with Gnucash 4.4 and F::Q 1.49; I always 
install GnuCash using Synaptic and the standard repositories for the 
version of Ubuntu installed.


Of course, if there's any further information I can provide I will be 
happy to do so.


Eric Coates

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On 28/07/2021 16:19, David Carlson wrote:
So far there has been no useful information presented in this thread, 
at least that I can find now that I am looking at it with Gmail on my 
laptop .  While I am not a developer, I have been working closely with 
them on a couple of possibly related problems.  Clearly there is a 
problem which needs to be documented in a fresh bug report.


It appears that Eric Coats' problem as he originally presented it 
relates mostly to changes that GnuCash made in some releases in the 
3.x and 4.x series in the behavior of the logic surrounding the 
process of balancing the exchange rates applied when transactions are 
created with multiple currencies and/or securities. There is a lot of 
interaction that may or may not be consistently applied if the 
transaction creation is done manually, by cloning a previous 
transaction or by the Since Last Run assistant, and possibly other 
nuances as well.  This was complicated by a clarification of the 
actual action that happens when the "Nearest in Time" method is 
selected vs when the new "Nearest Before" method is selected as 
described in https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743753 
. Release 4.6 also 
contained a fix> that was supposed 
to resolve problems with the Since Last Run assistant that may have 
impacted this in an unforeseen way.


It may be necessary for Eric to provide a very detailed description of 
which version of GnuCash he is actually using including whether if is 
a flatpak version or user compiled, then keystroke-by-keystroke to get 
the inconsistent result. Then, if it is possible to resolve them as a 
work-around for the current release by adjusting exchange rates, for 
example, we should get a handle on the problem.


The share/price/value relationship is a separate issue which is a 
little awkward but not known to be broken and probably does not apply 
to Eric's problem.


--
David Carlson

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Re: [GNC] Difficulties entering share purchases

[David Carlson]

So far there has been no useful information presented in this thread, at
least that I can find now that I am looking at it with Gmail on my laptop
.  While I am not a developer, I have been working closely with them on a
couple of possibly related problems.  Clearly there is a problem which
needs to be documented in a fresh bug report.

It appears that Eric Coats' problem as he originally presented it relates
mostly to changes that GnuCash made in some releases in the 3.x and 4.x
series in the behavior of the logic surrounding the process of balancing
the exchange rates applied when transactions are created with multiple
currencies and/or securities. There is a lot of interaction that may or may
not be consistently applied if the transaction creation is done manually,
by cloning a previous transaction or by the Since Last Run assistant, and
possibly other nuances as well.  This was complicated by a clarification of
the actual action that happens when the "Nearest in Time" method is
selected vs when the new "Nearest Before" method is selected as described
in https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743753.  Release 4.6 also
contained a fix that was
supposed to resolve problems with the  Since Last Run assistant that may
have impacted this in an unforeseen way.

It may be necessary for Eric to provide a very detailed description of
which version of GnuCash he is actually using including whether if is a
flatpak version or user compiled, then keystroke-by-keystroke to get the
inconsistent result.  Then, if it is possible to resolve them as a
work-around for the current release by adjusting exchange rates, for
example, we should get a handle on the problem.

The share/price/value relationship is a separate issue which is a little
awkward but not known to be broken and probably does not apply to Eric's
problem.

-- 
David Carlson
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Re: [GNC] Difficulties entering share purchases

[Geoff]

Hmmm, something is obviously broken.

I'm not familiar with Ubuntu or other Linux versions of GnuCash, so I 
can't help other than suggesting (A) Wipe and reinstall; or (B) Install 
in a clean Virtual Machine.


https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Ubuntu

Hoping someone else can help.

Good luck!

Geoff
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On 28/07/2021 6:13 pm, Eric Coates wrote:

Geoff

Thanks for responding. The sequence of events that you describe is what 
I would expect but not only do the numbers disappear (see Fig 8) but the 
dialogue you mention just doesn't happen (see the description of Fig 9)


Take care

Eric

=

On 28/07/2021 01:21, Geoff wrote:

Hi Eric

I am running GnuCash 4.4 (on Windows) and when I duplicate a share 
purchase transaction it doesn't change any of the values.


If I then edit one of the values, a recalculation dialogue box pops up 
telling me that "The values entered for this transaction are 
inconsistent." and asking me "Which value would you like to have 
recalculated?"  Shares / Price / Value.


See attached screenshot.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Geoff
=


On 28/07/2021 1:23 am, Eric Coates via gnucash-user wrote:
In January this year,whilst running Ubuntu 20.10 and GnuCash 3.x, I 
purchased some shares and all seemed quite "normal". Since then I 
have upgraded my operating system to Ubuntu 21.04 (which I am running 
"On X Org" as "Wayland" causes KeePassXC to fail) and installed 
GnuCash 4.4 (with F::Q 1.49 but that is probably irrelevant). 
Recently I bought some more shares and things seemed to go a bit wappy.


Of lesser importance is the presentation of the tab that shows 
activity of a past purchase of shares:
Fig 1 shows the tab when a dividend payment is highlighted, note the 
purchase of shares on 21/1/21;
Fig 2 shows the same tab when the purchase is highlighted, the number 
of shares has changed from 216 to 2;
Fig 3 shows the appearance when the constituent splits are shown, 216 
is shown;

Fig 4 shows what happens when the first split is highlighted.

Of far greater importance (to me) is what happens when I want to 
record a purchase now. My past practice (which I have used for at 
least six years) is to duplicate an earlier purchase and edit it to 
show the details of the current purchase.


Fig 5 shows the initial state of the record which will be edited;
Fig 6 shows the new transaction, the number of shares has been 
changed from 216 to 100;
Fig 7 shows what happens when I tab out of the shares column (the 
intention being to delete the price, edit the buy cost and allow 
GnuCash to calculate the unit price of the shares), the 100 changes 
to 1;
Fig 8 shows the effect of deleting the share price, entering the 
total price (1000.00) and tabbing to the next field (the number of 
shares disappears);
Fig 9 shows the effect of entering the transaction there was no 
invitation to recalculate the share price (of course I expect the 
Imbalance to appear)


For completeness: I have tried the same sequence of events on Ubuntu 
on Wayland with the same results and I have set up a dummy set of 
accounts and followed the instructions in the manual with consistent 
results.


It's almost certainly me at fault and I will accept the laughter when 
my idiocy is pointed out but, please, somebody point it out to me.


In anticipation

Eric

PS: I initially suspected that the change in values that occur might 
have something to do with the "smallest fraction traded" settings. 
Changing these settings does affect what is displayed but not the 
overall effect of failing to show the new purchase.



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Re: [GNC] Difficulties entering share purchases

[Eric Coates via gnucash-user]

Geoff

Thanks for responding. The sequence of events that you describe is what 
I would expect but not only do the numbers disappear (see Fig 8) but the 
dialogue you mention just doesn't happen (see the description of Fig 9)


Take care

Eric

=

On 28/07/2021 01:21, Geoff wrote:

Hi Eric

I am running GnuCash 4.4 (on Windows) and when I duplicate a share 
purchase transaction it doesn't change any of the values.


If I then edit one of the values, a recalculation dialogue box pops up 
telling me that "The values entered for this transaction are 
inconsistent." and asking me "Which value would you like to have 
recalculated?"  Shares / Price / Value.


See attached screenshot.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Geoff
=


On 28/07/2021 1:23 am, Eric Coates via gnucash-user wrote:
In January this year,whilst running Ubuntu 20.10 and GnuCash 3.x, I 
purchased some shares and all seemed quite "normal". Since then I 
have upgraded my operating system to Ubuntu 21.04 (which I am running 
"On X Org" as "Wayland" causes KeePassXC to fail) and installed 
GnuCash 4.4 (with F::Q 1.49 but that is probably irrelevant). 
Recently I bought some more shares and things seemed to go a bit wappy.


Of lesser importance is the presentation of the tab that shows 
activity of a past purchase of shares:
Fig 1 shows the tab when a dividend payment is highlighted, note the 
purchase of shares on 21/1/21;
Fig 2 shows the same tab when the purchase is highlighted, the number 
of shares has changed from 216 to 2;
Fig 3 shows the appearance when the constituent splits are shown, 216 
is shown;

Fig 4 shows what happens when the first split is highlighted.

Of far greater importance (to me) is what happens when I want to 
record a purchase now. My past practice (which I have used for at 
least six years) is to duplicate an earlier purchase and edit it to 
show the details of the current purchase.


Fig 5 shows the initial state of the record which will be edited;
Fig 6 shows the new transaction, the number of shares has been 
changed from 216 to 100;
Fig 7 shows what happens when I tab out of the shares column (the 
intention being to delete the price, edit the buy cost and allow 
GnuCash to calculate the unit price of the shares), the 100 changes 
to 1;
Fig 8 shows the effect of deleting the share price, entering the 
total price (1000.00) and tabbing to the next field (the number of 
shares disappears);
Fig 9 shows the effect of entering the transaction there was no 
invitation to recalculate the share price (of course I expect the 
Imbalance to appear)


For completeness: I have tried the same sequence of events on Ubuntu 
on Wayland with the same results and I have set up a dummy set of 
accounts and followed the instructions in the manual with consistent 
results.


It's almost certainly me at fault and I will accept the laughter when 
my idiocy is pointed out but, please, somebody point it out to me.


In anticipation

Eric

PS: I initially suspected that the change in values that occur might 
have something to do with the "smallest fraction traded" settings. 
Changing these settings does affect what is displayed but not the 
overall effect of failing to show the new purchase.



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Re: [GNC] Difficulties entering share purchases

[Geoff]

Hi Eric

I am running GnuCash 4.4 (on Windows) and when I duplicate a share 
purchase transaction it doesn't change any of the values.


If I then edit one of the values, a recalculation dialogue box pops up 
telling me that "The values entered for this transaction are 
inconsistent." and asking me "Which value would you like to have 
recalculated?"  Shares / Price / Value.


See attached screenshot.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Geoff
=


On 28/07/2021 1:23 am, Eric Coates via gnucash-user wrote:
In January this year,whilst running Ubuntu 20.10 and GnuCash 3.x, I 
purchased some shares and all seemed quite "normal". Since then I have 
upgraded my operating system to Ubuntu 21.04 (which I am running "On X 
Org" as "Wayland" causes KeePassXC to fail) and installed GnuCash 4.4 
(with F::Q 1.49 but that is probably irrelevant). Recently I bought some 
more shares and things seemed to go a bit wappy.


Of lesser importance is the presentation of the tab that shows activity 
of a past purchase of shares:
Fig 1 shows the tab when a dividend payment is highlighted, note the 
purchase of shares on 21/1/21;
Fig 2 shows the same tab when the purchase is highlighted, the number of 
shares has changed from 216 to 2;
Fig 3 shows the appearance when the constituent splits are shown, 216 is 
shown;

Fig 4 shows what happens when the first split is highlighted.

Of far greater importance (to me) is what happens when I want to record 
a purchase now. My past practice (which I have used for at least six 
years) is to duplicate an earlier purchase and edit it to show the 
details of the current purchase.


Fig 5 shows the initial state of the record which will be edited;
Fig 6 shows the new transaction, the number of shares has been changed 
from 216 to 100;
Fig 7 shows what happens when I tab out of the shares column (the 
intention being to delete the price, edit the buy cost and allow GnuCash 
to calculate the unit price of the shares), the 100 changes to 1;
Fig 8 shows the effect of deleting the share price, entering the total 
price (1000.00) and tabbing to the next field (the number of shares 
disappears);
Fig 9 shows the effect of entering the transaction there was no 
invitation to recalculate the share price (of course I expect the 
Imbalance to appear)


For completeness: I have tried the same sequence of events on Ubuntu on 
Wayland with the same results and I have set up a dummy set of accounts 
and followed the instructions in the manual with consistent results.


It's almost certainly me at fault and I will accept the laughter when my 
idiocy is pointed out but, please, somebody point it out to me.


In anticipation

Eric

PS: I initially suspected that the change in values that occur might 
have something to do with the "smallest fraction traded" settings. 
Changing these settings does affect what is displayed but not the 
overall effect of failing to show the new purchase.



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