Re: [GNC] Gnucash leadership team

[Derek Atkins]

"David T. via gnucash-user"  writes:

> Honestly, the decision is yours. 
>
> I’ve been using GnuCash now for over 13 years. Back then, Derek Atkins
> was one of the primary developers, having taken over for another crew
> that had carried GnuCash from its early years as xaccountant. He
> stepped back, and several others stepped in. So, it’s been through
> that process a couple of times anyway already.

And I'm still here.  Just not as active as before (as you can tell from
my 10-day delay in responding ;)

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash leadership team

[Cricket Onebit]

First, I'm sorry about including the entire digest. It was careless and
rude of me, since I've been around long enough to know better. I now get
individual emails, not digests, and not compose on the small screen that
makes it harder to check things. Also, apologies to Michael Stagle for
Replying rather than Reply All. I dream of the day all my email accounts
have the same settings.

Thanks for the replies and suggestions. It looks like the core team will
change rather than disappear. (I've seen both good and bad open source team
changes.)

Yes, Quicken might be less likely to stick around than GnuCash. They've
long ignored problems in the Canadian product (some serious, not just bank
reports), and they think they can keep us by making it hard to export our
data.

Still, the conversion will be a lot of work, and The Devil You Know... When
I do it, I want to convert everything, so that I only have to maintain one
program. It will be a big project since I've used Quicken tags (labels?)
for a lot of things.

Yes, I really should use more than Quicken's automatic backup system. If
the program breaks, those backups will be useless. (I already have a good
method to backup my entire hard drive. Dad designed hardware, and drilled
into me that a backup on the same device is not a backup.)

I definitely appreciate the many volunteers and their work, from core
maintenance to bug tracking to helping people with basic double entry
accounting.

-- 
+++

Not as a ladder from earth to Heaven, not as a witness to any creed,
But simple service simply given to his own kind in their common need.
-- Rudyard Kipling
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash leadership team

[Michael Stagl]

How do you know Quicken is going to stay around for the long haul?

As with anything important, have data backups, and have a backup plan as well.  
Be ready for the day either stops functioning.

The Free and Open Source community as a whole is amazingly brilliant and 
robust, albeit politics and egos can interfere from time to time.  Closed 
source software works at the whim of the marketing department.  Nothing is 
perfect



> On Jan 31, 2019, at 9:42 AM, Cricket Onebit  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Before I commit to a very large conversion from Quicken, I want to know
> that GnuCash will continue to be around and maintained.
> 
> Is the core leadership team large enough that a single life event (eg new
> job, new baby, sabbatical, too many changes needed because of an OS
> upgrade) will stop maintenance?
> 
> The help community is clearly large and active, with support for all levels
> of users and types of problems.
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 12:00 PM > 
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>> 
>>   1. Re:  Migrating from AceMoney (aeg)
>>   2. Re:  v 3.2.1 reconcile window (Jamestk)
>>   3. Re:  Migrating from AceMoney (Fred Bone)
>>   4. Re:  v 3.2.1 reconcile window (Adrien Monteleone)
>>   5. Re:  Migrating from AceMoney (Adrien Monteleone)
>>   6. Re:  v 3.2.1 reconcile window (D)
>>   7. Re:  Upgrade Path from version 2.6.16 on MacOS High Sierra
>>  (10.13.6) and beyond (Michael Hendry)
>>   8. Re:  Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what t
>>  (Finbar Mahon)
>>   9. Re:  Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what t
>>  (Colin Law)
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:32:34 + (UTC)
>> From: aeg 
>> To: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" ,  Jason Voss
>>
>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Migrating from AceMoney
>> Message-ID: <1019973028.5554122.1548797554...@mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>> 
>> Hi Jason,
>> I've been using AceMoney for my personal accounts since 2005 and like it
>> very much but I also started using GnuCash two or three years ago for a
>> family house-building project and, for that purpose, it has been more
>> useful than AceMoney.
>> I recently started running personal accounts on GnuCash in parallel with
>> AceMoney in order to check which suits my needs best.
>> The way I transferred data from AceMoney to GnuCash was via csv (because
>> they can be edited easily in Excel). The first transfer did not work very
>> well because I was unsure about the process and, in particular, which field
>> names to use. Once I had figured it out and deleted those first attempts,
>> importing became quite straightforward, although I did find it necessary to
>> edit amounts that did not have a decimal point as GnuCash divides such
>> amounts by 100.? It was easier to do that edit in Excel than in GnuCash.
>> I agree with David's comments (copied below) recommending that you limit
>> the number of files imported initially while GnuCash learns how you want
>> them assigned.
>> Kind regards,Alan
>> Quoted texts below...
>> From: Jason Voss 
>> 
>> My wife stayed on Windows much longer than I did but I have recently moved
>> her to a MacBook Air.Now I'm trying to get her a basic checkbook register
>> app to replace AceMoney Lite and I'm looking at Gnucash for this purpose.
>> We have several years of historical data in .amj files on a Network
>> Attached Server (NAS) and I'd like to verify whether Gnucash can read
>> these, or if they can be imported and then used by Gnucash.
>> Any insights or advice is much appreciated.
>> Thanks,Jason
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> 
>> From: David Cousens 
>> 
>> Jason
>> 
>> AceMoney does not list any export formats in its documentation.? GnuCash
>> will not be able to read AceMoneys file format unless someone has written a
>> translator and this is unlikely.
>> 
>> GnuCash can import OFX/QFX, QIF, CSV files if Acemoney can export data in
>> any of these formats. OFX/QFX is generally the most reliable if the OFX/QFX
>> formats have been correctly implemented in the export. Another factor is
>> what information exists in any exported data. It is generally better to
>> export data for a specific period, e.g. a month or quarter and import the
>> data in batches in sequence. Also if you start with your major Asset and
>> Liability accounts, i.e.? with the largest number of transactions, first 

Re: [GNC] Gnucash leadership team

[Adrien Monteleone]

Since the code is freely available, it isn’t like such an event would prevent 
someone else from stepping forward.

Also, please trim your quotes when replying to a thread. I just trimmed a tad 
over 14 feet (!!) of quoted material. (not an exaggeration, I even measured it 
just for kicks) In this case even, you could have just started a new thread 
addressed to the list rather than hitting ‘reply’.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 31, 2019, at 8:42 AM, Cricket Onebit  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Before I commit to a very large conversion from Quicken, I want to know
> that GnuCash will continue to be around and maintained.
> 
> Is the core leadership team large enough that a single life event (eg new
> job, new baby, sabbatical, too many changes needed because of an OS
> upgrade) will stop maintenance?
> 
> The help community is clearly large and active, with support for all levels
> of users and types of problems.


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash leadership team

[David Carlson]

I would like to add that GnuCash has several dedicated, unpaid volunteers
scattered around the globe that donate their support the program
development because they believe they are doing a great service for the
users.

They welcome new volunteers with open arms when they appear with the talent
to contribute favorably to the development.

The fact that GnuCash has survived and grown for as many years has it has
is a sign that it has staying power.

David Carlson

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:27 AM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Jan 2019, Cricket Onebit wrote:
>
> > Before I commit to a very large conversion from Quicken, I want to know
> > that GnuCash will continue to be around and maintained.
>
> Well, of course, given the extent of climate change we have no idea what
> will happen with GnuCash. :-)
>
> Seriously, look at the wikipedia article
>  which reports that it began in
> 1997.
> And that's when I started using it. (Disclaimer: I switched my business and
> personal bookkeeping to a different system in 2003 when I changed from Red
> Hat to Slackware. Came back to GC for both in 2016.)
>
> 'Sup to you what you use to keep your books. Given the support and price
> differential ($0.00 compared to ... how much?) the decision should be easy.
>
> Rich
>
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash leadership team

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 31 Jan 2019, Cricket Onebit wrote:


Before I commit to a very large conversion from Quicken, I want to know
that GnuCash will continue to be around and maintained.


Well, of course, given the extent of climate change we have no idea what
will happen with GnuCash. :-)

Seriously, look at the wikipedia article
 which reports that it began in 1997.
And that's when I started using it. (Disclaimer: I switched my business and
personal bookkeeping to a different system in 2003 when I changed from Red
Hat to Slackware. Came back to GC for both in 2016.)

'Sup to you what you use to keep your books. Given the support and price
differential ($0.00 compared to ... how much?) the decision should be easy.

Rich

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash leadership team

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Honestly, the decision is yours. 

I’ve been using GnuCash now for over 13 years. Back then, Derek Atkins was one 
of the primary developers, having taken over for another crew that had carried 
GnuCash from its early years as xaccountant. He stepped back, and several 
others stepped in. So, it’s been through that process a couple of times anyway 
already.

There are, moreover, metrics out somewhere that point to GnuCash’s resilience 
regarding contributions to the project (I don’t have my hands on that info). 
Whether GnuCash can survive a catastrophic life event is something that I can’t 
comment on, though—and I doubt anyone could.

David T.


> On Jan 31, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Cricket Onebit  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Before I commit to a very large conversion from Quicken, I want to know
> that GnuCash will continue to be around and maintained.
> 
> Is the core leadership team large enough that a single life event (eg new
> job, new baby, sabbatical, too many changes needed because of an OS
> upgrade) will stop maintenance?
> 
> The help community is clearly large and active, with support for all levels
> of users and types of problems.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 12:00 PM  
>> Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to
>>gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>> 
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org
>> 
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>gnucash-user-ow...@gnucash.org
>> 
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of gnucash-user digest..."
>> 
>> 
>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>>   1. Re:  Migrating from AceMoney (aeg)
>>   2. Re:  v 3.2.1 reconcile window (Jamestk)
>>   3. Re:  Migrating from AceMoney (Fred Bone)
>>   4. Re:  v 3.2.1 reconcile window (Adrien Monteleone)
>>   5. Re:  Migrating from AceMoney (Adrien Monteleone)
>>   6. Re:  v 3.2.1 reconcile window (D)
>>   7. Re:  Upgrade Path from version 2.6.16 on MacOS High Sierra
>>  (10.13.6) and beyond (Michael Hendry)
>>   8. Re:  Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what t
>>  (Finbar Mahon)
>>   9. Re:  Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what t
>>  (Colin Law)
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:32:34 + (UTC)
>> From: aeg 
>> To: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" ,  Jason Voss
>>
>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Migrating from AceMoney
>> Message-ID: <1019973028.5554122.1548797554...@mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>> 
>> Hi Jason,
>> I've been using AceMoney for my personal accounts since 2005 and like it
>> very much but I also started using GnuCash two or three years ago for a
>> family house-building project and, for that purpose, it has been more
>> useful than AceMoney.
>> I recently started running personal accounts on GnuCash in parallel with
>> AceMoney in order to check which suits my needs best.
>> The way I transferred data from AceMoney to GnuCash was via csv (because
>> they can be edited easily in Excel). The first transfer did not work very
>> well because I was unsure about the process and, in particular, which field
>> names to use. Once I had figured it out and deleted those first attempts,
>> importing became quite straightforward, although I did find it necessary to
>> edit amounts that did not have a decimal point as GnuCash divides such
>> amounts by 100.? It was easier to do that edit in Excel than in GnuCash.
>> I agree with David's comments (copied below) recommending that you limit
>> the number of files imported initially while GnuCash learns how you want
>> them assigned.
>> Kind regards,Alan
>> Quoted texts below...
>> From: Jason Voss 
>> 
>> My wife stayed on Windows much longer than I did but I have recently moved
>> her to a MacBook Air.Now I'm trying to get her a basic checkbook register
>> app to replace AceMoney Lite and I'm looking at Gnucash for this purpose.
>> We have several years of historical data in .amj files on a Network
>> Attached Server (NAS) and I'd like to verify whether Gnucash can read
>> these, or if they can be imported and then used by Gnucash.
>> Any insights or advice is much appreciated.
>> Thanks,Jason
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> 
>> From: David Cousens 
>> 
>> Jason
>> 
>> AceMoney does not list any export formats in its documentation.? GnuCash
>> will not be able to read AceMoneys file format unless someone has written a
>> translator and this is unlikely.
>> 
>> GnuCash can import OFX/QFX, QIF, CSV files if Acemoney can export data in
>> any of these formats. OFX/QFX is generally the most reliable if the OFX/QFX
>> formats have been correctly implemented in the export. Another factor is
>> what information exists in any exported data. It is generally better to
>> export

[GNC] Gnucash leadership team

[Cricket Onebit]

Hello,

Before I commit to a very large conversion from Quicken, I want to know
that GnuCash will continue to be around and maintained.

Is the core leadership team large enough that a single life event (eg new
job, new baby, sabbatical, too many changes needed because of an OS
upgrade) will stop maintenance?

The help community is clearly large and active, with support for all levels
of users and types of problems.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 12:00 PM  Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>
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> gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org
>
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> gnucash-user-ow...@gnucash.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
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>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>1. Re:  Migrating from AceMoney (aeg)
>2. Re:  v 3.2.1 reconcile window (Jamestk)
>3. Re:  Migrating from AceMoney (Fred Bone)
>4. Re:  v 3.2.1 reconcile window (Adrien Monteleone)
>5. Re:  Migrating from AceMoney (Adrien Monteleone)
>6. Re:  v 3.2.1 reconcile window (D)
>7. Re:  Upgrade Path from version 2.6.16 on MacOS High Sierra
>   (10.13.6) and beyond (Michael Hendry)
>8. Re:  Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what t
>   (Finbar Mahon)
>9. Re:  Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what t
>   (Colin Law)
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:32:34 + (UTC)
> From: aeg 
> To: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" ,  Jason Voss
> 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Migrating from AceMoney
> Message-ID: <1019973028.5554122.1548797554...@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi Jason,
> I've been using AceMoney for my personal accounts since 2005 and like it
> very much but I also started using GnuCash two or three years ago for a
> family house-building project and, for that purpose, it has been more
> useful than AceMoney.
> I recently started running personal accounts on GnuCash in parallel with
> AceMoney in order to check which suits my needs best.
> The way I transferred data from AceMoney to GnuCash was via csv (because
> they can be edited easily in Excel). The first transfer did not work very
> well because I was unsure about the process and, in particular, which field
> names to use. Once I had figured it out and deleted those first attempts,
> importing became quite straightforward, although I did find it necessary to
> edit amounts that did not have a decimal point as GnuCash divides such
> amounts by 100.? It was easier to do that edit in Excel than in GnuCash.
> I agree with David's comments (copied below) recommending that you limit
> the number of files imported initially while GnuCash learns how you want
> them assigned.
> Kind regards,Alan
> Quoted texts below...
> From: Jason Voss 
>
> My wife stayed on Windows much longer than I did but I have recently moved
> her to a MacBook Air.Now I'm trying to get her a basic checkbook register
> app to replace AceMoney Lite and I'm looking at Gnucash for this purpose.
> We have several years of historical data in .amj files on a Network
> Attached Server (NAS) and I'd like to verify whether Gnucash can read
> these, or if they can be imported and then used by Gnucash.
> Any insights or advice is much appreciated.
> Thanks,Jason
>
> --
>
>
> From: David Cousens 
>
> Jason
>
> AceMoney does not list any export formats in its documentation.? GnuCash
> will not be able to read AceMoneys file format unless someone has written a
> translator and this is unlikely.
>
> GnuCash can import OFX/QFX, QIF, CSV files if Acemoney can export data in
> any of these formats. OFX/QFX is generally the most reliable if the OFX/QFX
> formats have been correctly implemented in the export. Another factor is
> what information exists in any exported data. It is generally better to
> export data for a specific period, e.g. a month or quarter and import the
> data in batches in sequence. Also if you start with your major Asset and
> Liability accounts, i.e.? with the largest number of transactions, first it
> will make importing easier as this will import most or all of the data for
> income, expense and equity account.
>
> GnuCash's importers have a matching algorithm, which for imports to a given
> account, looks for matches in data already in the GnuCash file to existing
> transactions to minimise duplication and also matches and automatically
> assigns the second account in a transaction if enough information is
> present
> to allow this. It uses a Bayesian algorithm which is trained by the data
> you
> have already imported to match transaction.? It is generally better to
> import transactions, at leas