Re: [GNC] Gnucash not obtaining lock Solved

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 9/14/2019 5:59 PM, R. Victor Klassen wrote:


Well, actually, yes.

And it makes sense.  They’re trying to protect you from ransomware - software 
that encrypts your stuff and then offers to give you the decryption key if you 
pay up.
The idea is that a known list of applications are allowed to touch files in the 
protected directories, and you can add tru
AH my misunderstanding is because of how described. Coming from the 
mainframe world (my working days) the concept of "authorized" programs 
and directories is quite familiar to me. In that environment there was 
also a level of authorization based on the login of who was running the 
program. Normal security to me. The threat less things like ransom ware 
(full back up daily) than selective changes by a malicious user << which 
would likely be on all generations of backups before being discovered >>


Since I am about to retire this old X200 under 7 replacing with a W541 
under 10 I can see I will have a choice to make. Either add the apps I 
will be installing to the authorized app list or turning the feature off.


We might consider an addition to the documentation for installing 
gnucash under Windows 10 << add to list of authorized apps >>


I think this is in general a good idea on a shared computer. In my case, 
my wife is too non-techie to even think of trying to install something.  
But if we had grandkids living with us? << the great grands are too 
young to mess with computers >>


Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash not obtaining lock Solved

[R. Victor Klassen]

> On Sep 14, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Mike or Penny Novack 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 9/13/2019 1:50 PM, Bob Hammons wrote:
>> The trouble was Windows Defender in a recent update blocked Gnucash,  
>> Quicken and Open Office data directories.
>> This was in the Ransom ware section
>> Here is a website that explains how to fix this
>> ..
>> Wasn't very nice of MS to do this without any notice that these programs 
>> would be blocked
>> Thanks again for you help I did learn a little more about Windows but 
>> something new will pop up I am sure.
> That does not seem to me to be much of an explanation. I don't know about 
> Quicken, but with either OpenOffice (I use LibreOffice) or Gnucash the "data 
> directories" (the directory in which the data lives AND where the lock file 
> will be created) is up to you. Certainly MS didn't block "Documents" (the 
> parent directory where LibreOffice documents likely placed).
> 
Well, actually, yes.

And it makes sense.  They’re trying to protect you from ransomware - software 
that encrypts your stuff and then offers to give you the decryption key if you 
pay up.
The idea is that a known list of applications are allowed to touch files in the 
protected directories, and you can add tru

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash not obtaining lock Solved

[R. Victor Klassen]

> On Sep 14, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Mike or Penny Novack 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 9/13/2019 1:50 PM, Bob Hammons wrote:
>> The trouble was Windows Defender in a recent update blocked Gnucash,  
>> Quicken and Open Office data directories.
>> This was in the Ransom ware section
>> Here is a website that explains how to fix this
>> ..
>> Wasn't very nice of MS to do this without any notice that these programs 
>> would be blocked
>> Thanks again for you help I did learn a little more about Windows but 
>> something new will pop up I am sure.
> That does not seem to me to be much of an explanation. I don't know about 
> Quicken, but with either OpenOffice (I use LibreOffice) or Gnucash the "data 
> directories" (the directory in which the data lives AND where the lock file 
> will be created) is up to you. Certainly MS didn't block "Documents" (the 
> parent directory where LibreOffice documents likely placed).
> 
Well, actually, yes.

And it makes sense.  They’re trying to protect you from ransomware - software 
that encrypts your stuff and then offers to give you the decryption key if you 
pay up.
The idea is that a known list of applications are allowed to touch files in the 
protected directories, and you can add trusted applications to that list.  

From the first page of the web site linked in the previous message:
> 
> Controlled folder access applies to a number of system folders and default 
> locations, including folders such as Documents, Pictures, Movies, and Desktop.

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash not obtaining lock Solved

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 9/13/2019 1:50 PM, Bob Hammons wrote:

The trouble was Windows Defender in a recent update blocked Gnucash,  Quicken 
and Open Office data directories.
This was in the Ransom ware section
Here is a website that explains how to fix this
..
Wasn't very nice of MS to do this without any notice that these programs would 
be blocked
Thanks again for you help I did learn a little more about Windows but something 
new will pop up I am sure.
 That does not seem to me to be much of an explanation. I don't know 
about Quicken, but with either OpenOffice (I use LibreOffice) or Gnucash 
the "data directories" (the directory in which the data lives AND where 
the lock file will be created) is up to you. Certainly MS didn't block 
"Documents" (the parent directory where LibreOffice documents likely 
placed).


If, what you are referring to are default locations which these 
applications might use IF you failed to specify where your documents 
were to be put that's another matter. I'm not at all sure I would be so 
critical of MS in that case. It is a really bad idea for people to allow 
applications to simply place data wherever so you don't KNOW the 
location. For example, if you don;t know the location, how do you know 
what directories you want copied to your backup device (you DO make 
periodic backups, right?).


Thus, if I Know that ALL such data would be in the "Documents" tree 
(organized by sub directories so you can find things) then you know your 
backup procedure would want to copy "Documents" (and everything in it) 
when making  a backup. In which case you don't need to think of separate 
backup for each application.


When you create a new set of books in gnucash (a new file) the FIRST 
action you should take after opening it should be a "save as" to the 
desired location << say in a directory under documents named "Gucash 
Books" --although there I would have a directory for each set of books 
since I keep several -- that makes it easier to clean out old 
log/session backups for a particular set of books since those, and the 
lock file, will be in the directory where the file is >>


Michael D Novack
PS  when some of us say "directory" that is not different from what 
you know of as a "file folder". We just learned before  it was graphical.


Michael D Novack
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash not obtaining lock Solved

[Adrien Monteleone]

Bob,

Thanks for reporting back not only that you solved it but documenting the steps.

I hope no one else has the same issue, but if so, there is now a reference for 
them.

I’ll have to keep this in mind when I migrate some computers to Win10 for some 
family members.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Sep 13, 2019 w37d256, at 12:50 PM, Bob Hammons  wrote:
> 
> The trouble was Windows Defender in a recent update blocked Gnucash,  Quicken 
> and Open Office data directories.
> This was in the Ransom ware section
> Here is a website that explains how to fix this
> https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/113430-add-remove-allowed-apps-controlled-folder-access-windows-10-a.html
> [https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.EhXW6Ro3CeaK_I93mIrZSQCACA=Api]
> Add or Remove Allowed Apps for Controlled Folder Access in Windows 
> 10
> How to Add or Remove Allowed Apps through Controlled Folder Access in Windows 
> 10
> www.tenforums.com
> Use option 1
> Wasn't very nice of MS to do this without any notice that these programs 
> would be blocked
> Thanks again for you help I did learn a little more about Windows but 
> something new will pop up I am sure.


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[GNC] Gnucash not obtaining lock Solved

[Bob Hammons]

The trouble was Windows Defender in a recent update blocked Gnucash,  Quicken 
and Open Office data directories.
This was in the Ransom ware section
Here is a website that explains how to fix this
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/113430-add-remove-allowed-apps-controlled-folder-access-windows-10-a.html
[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.EhXW6Ro3CeaK_I93mIrZSQCACA=Api]
Add or Remove Allowed Apps for Controlled Folder Access in Windows 
10
How to Add or Remove Allowed Apps through Controlled Folder Access in Windows 10
www.tenforums.com
Use option 1
Wasn't very nice of MS to do this without any notice that these programs would 
be blocked
Thanks again for you help I did learn a little more about Windows but something 
new will pop up I am sure.

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   1. Re:  Gnucash cannot obtain the lock (Adrien Monteleone)
   2. Re:  Assign one payment to multiple invoices (from several
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   3. Re:  Assign one payment to multiple invoices (from several
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   7. Re:  gnucash-user Digest, Vol 198, Issue 21 (Bob Hammons)
   8.  small annoyance with 3.7 (Bert Riding)
   9. Re:  Gnucash cannot obtain the lock (Adrien Monteleone)
  10. Re:  small annoyance with 3.7 (Adrien Monteleone)
  11.  QIF File Format (CharlieRyde)
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:31:09 -0500
From: Adrien Monteleone 
To: gnucash-user 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash cannot obtain the lock
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Nothing like an OS getting in the way of what you want to do with your own 
machine, redefining the meaning of common words, and changing long held 
paradigms and workflows...

Thanks for the education.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Sep 11, 2019 w37d254, at 10:04 AM, A Harvey  wrote:
>
> Here's an article that confirms what Liz said. It also shows how to change
> Windows 10 behavior in this regard.
>
> https://www.howtogeek.com/349114/shutting-down-doesnt-fully-shut-down-windows-10-but-restarting-it-does/
>
> -Arthur
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 4:55 AM Liz  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:49:12 -0500
>> Adrien Monteleone  wrote:
>>
>>> It should, but some computers don?t ?cold? reboot, this might be the
>>> case if you are using the ?restart? option in Windows rather than
>>> ?Shutdown? and then pressing the power button to turn it back on.
>>> (and even with pressing the power button to turn off, sometimes, the
>>> darn things just ?hibernate? as a convenience.)
>>
>> I think that Windows 10 only does a full reboot if you choose "restart".
>> I decline to be a Windows expert, and am happy if someone else can
>> comment.
>>
>> Liz



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