Re: [GNC] Negative numbers
On 2020-09-13 00:39, Chris Green wrote: On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 02:40:51PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote: You ever get a letter from Red hat or Wine or Libre Office explaining that you need to "hire" them to get your bugs fixed? This is the open source model. Open source is not a free lunch. It varies. I guess it depends on how many people there are at the 'core' of developing/maintaining something and how most of them spend their time and earn their living. Some really do write software for fun and really don't want to earn any money as a consequence. Quite a few are professional software people with a paid day job who work on open source in their spare time, or (as I have quite a few times over many years of working as a software engineer) provide fixes and debug things which are being used in their 'professional' work. There are also quite a few quite big projects which have paid for and open source versions running in parallel. LibreOffice has a program where companies can get their developers "certified" as Libre Office developers and contribute directly to the project. Works nicely for well funded companies. And it is a really good idea. Software for love usually is a much smaller project and large projects require and army at times to develop. And then funding does becomes an issue. Users are expected to pay for the support they get. That tends to leave underfunded entities, especially individuals out in the cold. (Libre Office still can't print an envelope for its life!) That being said, in my experience, paid software tends to be of poorer quality that does Open Source, with notable exceptions of course. Gnu Cash is a wonderful project with a lot of wonderful people supporting it. There are a lot of very patient mensches on this list. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Negative numbers
On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 02:40:51PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote: > > You ever get a letter from Red hat or Wine or Libre > Office explaining that you need to "hire" them to > get your bugs fixed? This is the open source model. > Open source is not a free lunch. > It varies. I guess it depends on how many people there are at the 'core' of developing/maintaining something and how most of them spend their time and earn their living. Some really do write software for fun and really don't want to earn any money as a consequence. Quite a few are professional software people with a paid day job who work on open source in their spare time, or (as I have quite a few times over many years of working as a software engineer) provide fixes and debug things which are being used in their 'professional' work. There are also quite a few quite big projects which have paid for and open source versions running in parallel. -- Chris Green ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Negative numbers
My speciality is Ladder Logic On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 12:38 AM ToddAndMargo wrote: > On 2020-09-12 15:20, David Carlson wrote: > > The developers love volunteers. Care to help? > > I program in Raku. What is Gnu Cash written in? > If Raku, I'd love to look at the parcer. > > > -- David Carlson ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Negative numbers
On 2020-09-12 15:20, David Carlson wrote: The developers love volunteers. Care to help? I program in Raku. What is Gnu Cash written in? If Raku, I'd love to look at the parcer. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Negative numbers
The developers love volunteers. Care to help? On Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 4:42 PM ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user < gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote: > On 2020-09-12 10:27, John Ralls wrote: > > > > > >> On Sep 11, 2020, at 11:33 PM, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user < > gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote: > >> > >> On 2020-09-10 21:42, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote: > On 9/9/20 1:05 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > > Not that I'm aware of, but just tab or shift-tab to the other column. > > A negative credit is a positive debit and vice versa. If you try > > entering a negative, you'll see GnuCash moves it to the other column > > as a positive anyway. > > > > Regards, > > Adrien > > > > On 9/9/20 12:31 PM, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote: > >> Fedora 32 > >> gnucash-4.1-1.fc32.x86_64 > >> > >> I have a number of program that accept negative numbers > >> with the minus sign at the end `123.45-` or inside > >> parenthesis `(123.56)`. > >> > >> Is there a way to tell GnuCash to do this also? I > >> keep entering it the other way and having to go back > >> and put the minus sign in the front. > >>> On 2020-09-09 13:18, Stephen M. Butler wrote: > You may also enter an enhancement request in bugzilla. > > >>> Will do! > >>> RFE: add ledger style negative number input > >>> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797939 > >>> RFE: please give the ability to add notes to simple ledger view > >>> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797940 > >> > >> Both were duplicates of four year or more old bugs. > >> Shades of Libre Office and Wine. User input > >> is ignored unless you can pony up. This is sad. > >> But it is the open source model. Give the code away > >> for free and charge for maintenance > >> > > > > There is no "pony up". > > > > GnuCash is a *gift* of tens of thousands of hours work by a few dozen > *unpaid* individuals over 20 years. All of the people on this list who have > helped you are also unpaid volunteers. All of the infrastructure is > provided and supported by volunteers who also donate the power and > connectivity to keep the servers running and usable. While donations to the > "tip jar" are surely welcome--and paid for a new server last year--the only > solicitation is a link on the web page. > > > > Regards, > > John Ralls > > You ever get a letter from Red hat or Wine or Libre > Office explaining that you need to "hire" them to > get your bugs fixed? This is the open source model. > Open source is not a free lunch. > > Individuals can never afford to put their developers > on the payroll. They want a whole lot more that a > tip jar too. And they do seriously deserve to be > paid for what they do. They ARE providing a service. > > Lets hope Gnu Cash's developers are a little more > responsive to requests from underfunded users in > the future. Or at least tag requests over a year > old as "won't fix" so folks will quit asking for it. > > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Negative numbers
On 2020-09-12 10:27, John Ralls wrote: On Sep 11, 2020, at 11:33 PM, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote: On 2020-09-10 21:42, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote: On 9/9/20 1:05 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: Not that I'm aware of, but just tab or shift-tab to the other column. A negative credit is a positive debit and vice versa. If you try entering a negative, you'll see GnuCash moves it to the other column as a positive anyway. Regards, Adrien On 9/9/20 12:31 PM, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote: Fedora 32 gnucash-4.1-1.fc32.x86_64 I have a number of program that accept negative numbers with the minus sign at the end `123.45-` or inside parenthesis `(123.56)`. Is there a way to tell GnuCash to do this also? I keep entering it the other way and having to go back and put the minus sign in the front. On 2020-09-09 13:18, Stephen M. Butler wrote: You may also enter an enhancement request in bugzilla. Will do! RFE: add ledger style negative number input https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797939 RFE: please give the ability to add notes to simple ledger view https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797940 Both were duplicates of four year or more old bugs. Shades of Libre Office and Wine. User input is ignored unless you can pony up. This is sad. But it is the open source model. Give the code away for free and charge for maintenance There is no "pony up". GnuCash is a *gift* of tens of thousands of hours work by a few dozen *unpaid* individuals over 20 years. All of the people on this list who have helped you are also unpaid volunteers. All of the infrastructure is provided and supported by volunteers who also donate the power and connectivity to keep the servers running and usable. While donations to the "tip jar" are surely welcome--and paid for a new server last year--the only solicitation is a link on the web page. Regards, John Ralls You ever get a letter from Red hat or Wine or Libre Office explaining that you need to "hire" them to get your bugs fixed? This is the open source model. Open source is not a free lunch. Individuals can never afford to put their developers on the payroll. They want a whole lot more that a tip jar too. And they do seriously deserve to be paid for what they do. They ARE providing a service. Lets hope Gnu Cash's developers are a little more responsive to requests from underfunded users in the future. Or at least tag requests over a year old as "won't fix" so folks will quit asking for it. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Negative numbers
> On Sep 11, 2020, at 11:33 PM, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user > wrote: > > On 2020-09-10 21:42, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote: >>> On 9/9/20 1:05 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: Not that I'm aware of, but just tab or shift-tab to the other column. A negative credit is a positive debit and vice versa. If you try entering a negative, you'll see GnuCash moves it to the other column as a positive anyway. Regards, Adrien On 9/9/20 12:31 PM, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote: > Fedora 32 > gnucash-4.1-1.fc32.x86_64 > > I have a number of program that accept negative numbers > with the minus sign at the end `123.45-` or inside > parenthesis `(123.56)`. > > Is there a way to tell GnuCash to do this also? I > keep entering it the other way and having to go back > and put the minus sign in the front. >> On 2020-09-09 13:18, Stephen M. Butler wrote: >> > You may also enter an enhancement request in bugzilla. >> > >> Will do! >> RFE: add ledger style negative number input >> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797939 >> RFE: please give the ability to add notes to simple ledger view >> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797940 > > Both were duplicates of four year or more old bugs. > Shades of Libre Office and Wine. User input > is ignored unless you can pony up. This is sad. > But it is the open source model. Give the code away > for free and charge for maintenance > There is no "pony up". GnuCash is a *gift* of tens of thousands of hours work by a few dozen *unpaid* individuals over 20 years. All of the people on this list who have helped you are also unpaid volunteers. All of the infrastructure is provided and supported by volunteers who also donate the power and connectivity to keep the servers running and usable. While donations to the "tip jar" are surely welcome--and paid for a new server last year--the only solicitation is a link on the web page. Regards, John Ralls ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Negative numbers
On 2020-09-10 21:42, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote: On 9/9/20 1:05 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: Not that I'm aware of, but just tab or shift-tab to the other column. A negative credit is a positive debit and vice versa. If you try entering a negative, you'll see GnuCash moves it to the other column as a positive anyway. Regards, Adrien On 9/9/20 12:31 PM, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote: Fedora 32 gnucash-4.1-1.fc32.x86_64 I have a number of program that accept negative numbers with the minus sign at the end `123.45-` or inside parenthesis `(123.56)`. Is there a way to tell GnuCash to do this also? I keep entering it the other way and having to go back and put the minus sign in the front. On 2020-09-09 13:18, Stephen M. Butler wrote: > You may also enter an enhancement request in bugzilla. > Will do! RFE: add ledger style negative number input https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797939 RFE: please give the ability to add notes to simple ledger view https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797940 Both were duplicates of four year or more old bugs. Shades of Libre Office and Wine. User input is ignored unless you can pony up. This is sad. But it is the open source model. Give the code away for free and charge for maintenance ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Negative numbers
On 9/9/20 1:05 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: Not that I'm aware of, but just tab or shift-tab to the other column. A negative credit is a positive debit and vice versa. If you try entering a negative, you'll see GnuCash moves it to the other column as a positive anyway. Regards, Adrien On 9/9/20 12:31 PM, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote: Fedora 32 gnucash-4.1-1.fc32.x86_64 I have a number of program that accept negative numbers with the minus sign at the end `123.45-` or inside parenthesis `(123.56)`. Is there a way to tell GnuCash to do this also? I keep entering it the other way and having to go back and put the minus sign in the front. On 2020-09-09 13:18, Stephen M. Butler wrote: > You may also enter an enhancement request in bugzilla. > Will do! RFE: add ledger style negative number input https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797939 RFE: please give the ability to add notes to simple ledger view https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797940 ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Negative numbers
You may also enter an enhancement request in bugzilla. On 9/9/20 1:05 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > Not that I'm aware of, but just tab or shift-tab to the other column. > A negative credit is a positive debit and vice versa. If you try > entering a negative, you'll see GnuCash moves it to the other column > as a positive anyway. > > Regards, > Adrien > > On 9/9/20 12:31 PM, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote: >> Fedora 32 >> gnucash-4.1-1.fc32.x86_64 >> >> I have a number of program that accept negative numbers >> with the minus sign at the end `123.45-` or inside >> parenthesis `(123.56)`. >> >> Is there a way to tell GnuCash to do this also? I >> keep entering it the other way and having to go back >> and put the minus sign in the front. > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- Stephen M Butler, PMP, PSM stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com kg...@arrl.net 253-350-0166 --- GnuPG Fingerprint: 8A25 9726 D439 758D D846 E5D4 282A 5477 0385 81D8 ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Negative numbers
Not that I'm aware of, but just tab or shift-tab to the other column. A negative credit is a positive debit and vice versa. If you try entering a negative, you'll see GnuCash moves it to the other column as a positive anyway. Regards, Adrien On 9/9/20 12:31 PM, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote: Fedora 32 gnucash-4.1-1.fc32.x86_64 I have a number of program that accept negative numbers with the minus sign at the end `123.45-` or inside parenthesis `(123.56)`. Is there a way to tell GnuCash to do this also? I keep entering it the other way and having to go back and put the minus sign in the front. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Negative numbers
Fedora 32 gnucash-4.1-1.fc32.x86_64 I have a number of program that accept negative numbers with the minus sign at the end `123.45-` or inside parenthesis `(123.56)`. Is there a way to tell GnuCash to do this also? I keep entering it the other way and having to go back and put the minus sign in the front. Many thanks, -T ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
