Re: [GNC] Printing Chart of Accounts WITHOUT balances

[john]

> On Jul 1, 2022, at 7:20 PM, Stan Brown  wrote:
> 
> I know everyone coding GnuCash is a volunteer, but I really, really,
> REALLY don't understand how anyone can call this "not a bug".

Simple: It's an account summary report, not a list of accounts report. If you 
take away the line item balances then there's no summary going on.

There are two options for balance on the Account Summary Report: Subaccount 
balances/roll-up/none and final balance. Maybe the name or tooltip of the last 
one could be more clear, but it doesn't mean produce a list of accounts with no 
actual financial information.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Printing Chart of Accounts WITHOUT balances

[Stan Brown]

On 2022-07-01 18:30, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> I remember this bug. I submitted it. As noted in the bug, I found problems 
> with the option, but was informed that it was behaving as expected. I didn't 
> agree, but never could determine how it actually was behaving in order to 
> explain how it ought to behave instead. That's why I marked it NOTABUG.
> 
> As noted there, I found that certain selected balances disappeared, but not 
> all of them. Perhaps someone could better describe the behavior.

Thanks for the historical information. David.


I know everyone coding GnuCash is a volunteer, but I really, really,
REALLY don't understand how anyone can call this "not a bug". It seems
crystal clear to me: The option on the Display tab says "Account
Balance", I remove the tick mark, and it still shows account balances.
How can anyone _possibly_ say that is not a bug? Whether it leaves all
account balances visible, or only some of them, it's still not doing
what the option says.

If the intent was to have unticking this option suppress only _some_
balances -- and I must say that I cannot conceive how that might be
useful -- there is still a bug because the GUI text does not describe
what the option is actually intended to so.

In software, "software performance doesn't match GUI options" is a
common class of bug. "Well, the software does what I intended for it to
do, so there's no bug even though the GUI doesn't describe the behavior
correctly" seems like merest sophistry to me.

That said, the programmers are going to do what they're going to do, so
I won't post on this point again.

Stan Brown

Tehachapi, CA, USA

https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Printing Chart of Accounts WITHOUT balances

[David T. via gnucash-user]

I remember this bug. I submitted it. As noted in the bug, I found problems with 
the option, but was informed that it was behaving as expected. I didn't agree, 
but never could determine how it actually was behaving in order to explain how 
it ought to behave instead. That's why I marked it NOTABUG.

As noted there, I found that certain selected balances disappeared, but not all 
of them. Perhaps someone could better describe the behavior. 

David T. 

On July 1, 2022 2:11:31 PM EDT, Adrien Monteleone 
 wrote:
>On 7/1/22 11:33 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
>> Re-sending to the list this time.
>> 
>> Somebody remind me why the list manager program doesn't set reply-to to
>> the list? :-)
>
>That's a function of your e-mail/newslist reader. Some do not auto-detect 
>lists, so don't present the option. (or hide it under a drop-down or menu) 
>Others only offer a 'reply-all' option.
>
>For some, like Thunderbird, they name that button 'Followup'.
>
>So, it's on you to make sure you're addressing to the right party.
>> 
>> Thank you, David.
>> 
>> Could you (or someone) enter a bug, please? (Accounts Summary report
>> displays account balances though that option is deselected in Report
>> Options.)
>
>I don't ever recall this being a thing. Thus that would be a Request for 
>Enhancement. But unless it would be really easy to implement, I don't see it 
>appearing any time soon. And you have options to get what you are looking for 
>as you noted.
>> I tried to enter it, but GnuCash Bugzilla rejected my login credentials
>> for some reason. And in any case, I wouldn't be able to attest from my
>> own knowledge that the bug still exists in the current version.
>
>I just logged in fine, so again, seems to be a user thing.
>
>As for the bug report, it already exists from 11 years ago: 
>https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657530
>
>But determined 'Not A Bug'.
>
>It works, but maybe not as you expected.
>
>It is arguable that the wording of the option should be improved, or the 
>option should be modified in behavior, or additional options added to decide 
>what level of account balances to exclude. (it presently only operates on 
>top-level accounts)
>
>Regards,
>Adrien
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Printing Chart of Accounts WITHOUT balances

[Adrien Monteleone]

On 7/1/22 11:33 AM, Stan Brown wrote:

Re-sending to the list this time.

Somebody remind me why the list manager program doesn't set reply-to to
the list? :-)


That's a function of your e-mail/newslist reader. Some do not 
auto-detect lists, so don't present the option. (or hide it under a 
drop-down or menu) Others only offer a 'reply-all' option.


For some, like Thunderbird, they name that button 'Followup'.

So, it's on you to make sure you're addressing to the right party.


Thank you, David.

Could you (or someone) enter a bug, please? (Accounts Summary report
displays account balances though that option is deselected in Report
Options.)


I don't ever recall this being a thing. Thus that would be a Request for 
Enhancement. But unless it would be really easy to implement, I don't 
see it appearing any time soon. And you have options to get what you are 
looking for as you noted.

I tried to enter it, but GnuCash Bugzilla rejected my login credentials
for some reason. And in any case, I wouldn't be able to attest from my
own knowledge that the bug still exists in the current version.


I just logged in fine, so again, seems to be a user thing.

As for the bug report, it already exists from 11 years ago: 
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657530


But determined 'Not A Bug'.

It works, but maybe not as you expected.

It is arguable that the wording of the option should be improved, or the 
option should be modified in behavior, or additional options added to 
decide what level of account balances to exclude. (it presently only 
operates on top-level accounts)


Regards,
Adrien


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Re: [GNC] Printing Chart of Accounts WITHOUT balances

[Stan Brown]

Re-sending to the list this time.

Somebody remind me why the list manager program doesn't set reply-to to
the list? :-)

Thank you, David.

Could you (or someone) enter a bug, please? (Accounts Summary report
displays account balances though that option is deselected in Report
Options.)

I tried to enter it, but GnuCash Bugzilla rejected my login credentials
for some reason. And in any case, I wouldn't be able to attest from my
own knowledge that the bug still exists in the current version.

Yes, I have exported the report to HTML, opened it in Excel, deleted the
unwanted columns, and so forth. But that's kind of a pain, and if the
option is in the GUI it really ought to be honored.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com

On 2022-06-30 14:30, David H wrote:
> Stan,
> 
> If it's available in 2.6.19 you could try File >> Export >> Export
> Account tree to CSV as a work around.  Then open in your spreadsheet
> program, remove columns (balances not included) you don't want and print
> from there ?
> 
> Cheers David H.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 at 06:58, Stan Brown  > wrote:
> 
> I have GC 2.6.19 in Widows 10. I'm attempting to print a chart of
> accounts, showing account code and account title. I'm using the Account
> Summary report, because there does not seem to be a Cart of Accounts
> report. But I don't want account balances to show on this report.
> 
> In report options, there's a tick box for Account Balance, and I have
> unticked it. I click on Apply to rewrite the report, but the account
> balances still appear.
> 
> I'm attaching my selected report options. (I have not changed anything
> on the Commodities tab, because I don't have any commodity accounts.)
> 
> I know I'm using an old version, so maybe GC 2.6.19 just has a bug that
> causes it to display account balances even though they're un-requested.
> But also I wonder if some option I selected has the side effect of
> showing balances. (On the Display tab, I did try changing Parent Account
> Balances to "Do not show". That suppressed the parent account balances,
> but all the other accounts showed balances.)
> 
> Is there something I can do to get a chart of accounts without balances,
> apart from exporting HTML and hand editing? Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> Stan Brown
> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Printing Chart of Accounts WITHOUT balances

[Adrien Monteleone]

Either export/save the report and then open with a spreadsheet and 
remove the balances, then print, (to PDF using a virtual printer if desired)


or

Select-All while viewing the report, then copy/paste into a spreadsheet, 
etc.


Neither of those options require hand-editing the HTML.

And in the spreadsheet, might be accomplished by simply deleting one or 
more columns. (depending on how many are occupied by balance figures)


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/30/22 3:57 PM, Stan Brown wrote:

I have GC 2.6.19 in Widows 10. I'm attempting to print a chart of
accounts, showing account code and account title. I'm using the Account
Summary report, because there does not seem to be a Cart of Accounts
report. But I don't want account balances to show on this report.

In report options, there's a tick box for Account Balance, and I have
unticked it. I click on Apply to rewrite the report, but the account
balances still appear.

I'm attaching my selected report options. (I have not changed anything
on the Commodities tab, because I don't have any commodity accounts.)

I know I'm using an old version, so maybe GC 2.6.19 just has a bug that
causes it to display account balances even though they're un-requested.
But also I wonder if some option I selected has the side effect of
showing balances. (On the Display tab, I did try changing Parent Account
Balances to "Do not show". That suppressed the parent account balances,
but all the other accounts showed balances.)

Is there something I can do to get a chart of accounts without balances,
apart from exporting HTML and hand editing? Thanks!


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Re: [GNC] Printing Chart of Accounts WITHOUT balances

[David H]

Stan,

If it's available in 2.6.19 you could try File >> Export >> Export Account
tree to CSV as a work around.  Then open in your spreadsheet program,
remove columns (balances not included) you don't want and print from there ?

Cheers David H.


On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 at 06:58, Stan Brown  wrote:

> I have GC 2.6.19 in Widows 10. I'm attempting to print a chart of
> accounts, showing account code and account title. I'm using the Account
> Summary report, because there does not seem to be a Cart of Accounts
> report. But I don't want account balances to show on this report.
>
> In report options, there's a tick box for Account Balance, and I have
> unticked it. I click on Apply to rewrite the report, but the account
> balances still appear.
>
> I'm attaching my selected report options. (I have not changed anything
> on the Commodities tab, because I don't have any commodity accounts.)
>
> I know I'm using an old version, so maybe GC 2.6.19 just has a bug that
> causes it to display account balances even though they're un-requested.
> But also I wonder if some option I selected has the side effect of
> showing balances. (On the Display tab, I did try changing Parent Account
> Balances to "Do not show". That suppressed the parent account balances,
> but all the other accounts showed balances.)
>
> Is there something I can do to get a chart of accounts without balances,
> apart from exporting HTML and hand editing? Thanks!
>
> --
> Stan Brown
> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Printing Chart of Accounts WITHOUT balances

[David H]

Stan,

Forget the previous email this setting has no effect on your requirements
and the behavior seems consistent with version 4.11.

Cheers David H.


On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 at 07:04, David H  wrote:

> Maybe you need to check "Omit Zero Balance Figures" - you don't seem to
> have it checked on in pic 2 ?
>
> Cheers David H.
>
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 at 06:58, Stan Brown 
> wrote:
>
>> I have GC 2.6.19 in Widows 10. I'm attempting to print a chart of
>> accounts, showing account code and account title. I'm using the Account
>> Summary report, because there does not seem to be a Cart of Accounts
>> report. But I don't want account balances to show on this report.
>>
>> In report options, there's a tick box for Account Balance, and I have
>> unticked it. I click on Apply to rewrite the report, but the account
>> balances still appear.
>>
>> I'm attaching my selected report options. (I have not changed anything
>> on the Commodities tab, because I don't have any commodity accounts.)
>>
>> I know I'm using an old version, so maybe GC 2.6.19 just has a bug that
>> causes it to display account balances even though they're un-requested.
>> But also I wonder if some option I selected has the side effect of
>> showing balances. (On the Display tab, I did try changing Parent Account
>> Balances to "Do not show". That suppressed the parent account balances,
>> but all the other accounts showed balances.)
>>
>> Is there something I can do to get a chart of accounts without balances,
>> apart from exporting HTML and hand editing? Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Stan Brown
>> Tehachapi, CA, USA
>> https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Printing Chart of Accounts WITHOUT balances

[David H]

Maybe you need to check "Omit Zero Balance Figures" - you don't seem to
have it checked on in pic 2 ?

Cheers David H.

On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 at 06:58, Stan Brown  wrote:

> I have GC 2.6.19 in Widows 10. I'm attempting to print a chart of
> accounts, showing account code and account title. I'm using the Account
> Summary report, because there does not seem to be a Cart of Accounts
> report. But I don't want account balances to show on this report.
>
> In report options, there's a tick box for Account Balance, and I have
> unticked it. I click on Apply to rewrite the report, but the account
> balances still appear.
>
> I'm attaching my selected report options. (I have not changed anything
> on the Commodities tab, because I don't have any commodity accounts.)
>
> I know I'm using an old version, so maybe GC 2.6.19 just has a bug that
> causes it to display account balances even though they're un-requested.
> But also I wonder if some option I selected has the side effect of
> showing balances. (On the Display tab, I did try changing Parent Account
> Balances to "Do not show". That suppressed the parent account balances,
> but all the other accounts showed balances.)
>
> Is there something I can do to get a chart of accounts without balances,
> apart from exporting HTML and hand editing? Thanks!
>
> --
> Stan Brown
> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> https://BrownMath.com
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