Re: [GNC] STP (Australia only)
On 15/9/19 12:05 pm, David Cousens wrote: Liz, Possible more significant will be the SBR (standard Business Reporting) of which the STP is one of the first installments. It will have an extension of the MyGov ID which will be used for reporting to multiple agencies which will replace AUSkey in March 2020. It will be used for any of the following: Australian Business Register Australian Taxation Office Australian Securities and Investments Commission ACT Revenue Office QLD Office of State Revenue NSW Office of State Revenue Revenue SA TAS State Revenue Office Territory Revenue Office State Revenue Office VIC WA State Revenue and will address things like licence renewals, business registrations etc directly. Real Big Brother stuff, where you can't run a business without a slew of IT things you need to fork out money for. I'm furious the Liberals brought this in, it it totally against what their ethos is in regards to small business. We don't work for the government as some kind of serfs. David - David Cousens -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- The Dose Makes The Poison ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] STP (Australia only)
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:27:02 -0500 (CDT) David Cousens wrote: > Liz, > > I've played around with a couple of the Free apps that the ATO lists > on their webpage. Payroller is a web interface app i.e runs on a > server somewhere that seems pretty easy to use and similarly ClockOn. > The freebies are generally cloud based and are primarily meant to > entice you into their paid solutions in most cases, but there is no > obligation to do so. Only problem is your data is on their site and > not retained by your business > > I had a look at the developer's page about 6 months ago. I found it > almost impossible to navigate with a lot of missing information at > that time. A look a few weeks later and there appeared to be more > there but still obscure and very hard to follow. I think to get full > access you have to join the software developers consortium which > requires you to have an Auskey which in turn requires you to be a > registered business. A deliberate attempt to cut out the free > software market. I have an ABN for a publishing operation my wife and > I setup to self publish her poetry so I might be able to get in using > that and find out if there is an easy way to interface Gnucash. > > David Cousens The apps shown on the ATO page, as you noted, are there to entice one into paying later. I have figured out that I will save $8 in stamps each year if I don't have to send in IAS forms. What I did work out was that most of those companies are actually using another company again for the data exchange with the government. This is the list the ATO provides to help one choose https://www.ato.gov.au/business/single-touch-payroll/in-detail/low-cost-single-touch-payroll-solutions/ This is the complete ATO list https://api.gov.au/productregister/ This is an example of a company which actually interfaces with the ATO https://www.ozedi.com.au/products-and-services/ebms3-as4/ It actually has more information on its website than most of the others combined. Incidentally, I did sign up with Payroller which appeared to be as basic as possible, although I have to provide a fictitious number of hours each week I work to make the system produce an output. After I have registered the choice with the ATO I will be able to make it work and see if it is appropriately functional. Liz ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] STP (Australia only)
Liz, Possible more significant will be the SBR (standard Business Reporting) of which the STP is one of the first installments. It will have an extension of the MyGov ID which will be used for reporting to multiple agencies which will replace AUSkey in March 2020. It will be used for any of the following: Australian Business Register Australian Taxation Office Australian Securities and Investments Commission ACT Revenue Office QLD Office of State Revenue NSW Office of State Revenue Revenue SA TAS State Revenue Office Territory Revenue Office State Revenue Office VIC WA State Revenue and will address things like licence renewals, business registrations etc directly. David - David Cousens -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] STP (Australia only)
Liz, I've played around with a couple of the Free apps that the ATO lists on their webpage. Payroller is a web interface app i.e runs on a server somewhere that seems pretty easy to use and similarly ClockOn. The freebies are generally cloud based and are primarily meant to entice you into their paid solutions in most cases, but there is no obligation to do so. Only problem is your data is on their site and not retained by your business I had a look at the developer's page about 6 months ago. I found it almost impossible to navigate with a lot of missing information at that time. A look a few weeks later and there appeared to be more there but still obscure and very hard to follow. I think to get full access you have to join the software developers consortium which requires you to have an Auskey which in turn requires you to be a registered business. A deliberate attempt to cut out the free software market. I have an ABN for a publishing operation my wife and I setup to self publish her poetry so I might be able to get in using that and find out if there is an easy way to interface Gnucash. David Cousens - David Cousens -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] STP (Australia only)
STP, or single touch payroll, is something thought up by the bureaucrats to be sure we pay our way. It has some aspects in common with the UK's making tax digital. This is supposed to be running already, but people like me, who own the company and pay only themselves, have a little more time before they are obliged to sign up. So far, I am learning a lot of new jargon. The data to be transferred needs setting out in a csv file (I understand that) The data is converted to XBRL (new to me) The data is transmitted using ebMS3/AS4 security (new to me) A receipt is generated and returned (no new acronyms here) There are a number of companies offering to be the middleman in these processes. Some are free, others are not. Most of them offer payroll, which I neither need nor want. I looked at some which were apparently Linux friendly and found jar files that would not run, and AppImage and Snap files that wouldn't work either. Questions Are other Australian Gnucash users dealing with this, or still stalling like me? Are there any preferred solutions that anyone on the list has tried? If I can find out the csv format required, would it be helpful to any users to be able to export this automatically from Gnucash? I could construct mine by hand and just copy it every month, so I am not needing this myself. Liz ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
