Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2022-08-13 Thread Glenn Fowler
Just confirming the nightly works as expected! Upon opening, the scheduled
transactions were already there with no user interaction. (bonus: also
noticed the links to the various paths in Help > About)

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 4:44 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Yet another example of how awesome the GnuCash team is. Thanks John!
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 8/12/22 3:11 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> > That was it: The registers weren't refreshed unless the SLR dialog runs
> and the user clicks OK. I've pushed a fix that will be in tomorrow's
> nightlies (https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/maint and
> https://code.gnucash.org/builds/flatpak.maint).
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
>
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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2022-08-13 Thread Tom Veik
Thanks John!  Installed the nightly this morning and did some simple 
testing.  Seems to be working now.


Tom

On 8/12/2022 3:11 PM, John Ralls wrote:

That was it: The registers weren't refreshed unless the SLR dialog runs and the 
user clicks OK. I've pushed a fix that will be in tomorrow's nightlies 
(https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/maint and 
https://code.gnucash.org/builds/flatpak.maint).

Regards,
John Ralls


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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2022-08-12 Thread Glenn Fowler
Thank you John Ralls for figuring this out! I'll be sure to test the
nightly and report back.

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 4:11 PM John Ralls  wrote:

> That was it: The registers weren't refreshed unless the SLR dialog runs
> and the user clicks OK. I've pushed a fix that will be in tomorrow's
> nightlies (https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/maint and
> https://code.gnucash.org/builds/flatpak.maint).
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
> > On Aug 12, 2022, at 8:48 AM, john  wrote:
> >
> > That's just the noise from GnuCash not finding perl when deciding
> whether it should enable online quote retrieval.
> >
> > I have a new hypothesis that I wrote up on bug 794584: That line in the
> SLR code only runs in the dialog's OK handler, and if you have only
> automatic-creation SXes that don't require human intervention that
> particular bit of code doesn't run. I haven't yet looked for the code that
> does run in that case, but I asked there if changing any of the SXes to
> "notify" so that that code does run causes the registers to refresh on
> their own.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 11, 2022, at 8:02 PM, Tom Veik  wrote:
> >>
> >> The last time this occurred would be the first run on the 10th. Here is
> the contents of the trace file with the earliest time on that date:
> >>
> >> * 07:53:46  WARN  [gnc_spawn_process_async()] Could not
> spawn perl: Failed to execute child process (No such file or directory)
> >> * 07:53:46 ERROR <> gnc_process_get_fd: assertion 'proc' failed
> >> * 07:53:46 ERROR <> gnc_detach_process: assertion 'proc && proc->pid'
> failed
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> On 8/11/2022 8:05 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> >>> I'd go with bug: It's supposed to refresh all of the registers, see
> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/41de4cefce621c214c0d6f6ff1c5ca05df8fd917/gnucash/gnome/dialog-sx-since-last-run.c#L1168
> >>>
> >>> You may find in your trace file one or more error messages "suspend
> counter not zero" from gnc_gui_refresh_all on a session where the SLR ran.
> That would indicate that something else that's wrapping the SLR invocation
> has also blocked gui refreshes. If that message isn't there then there's
> something going wrong in gnc_gui_refresh_internal.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> John Ralls
> >>>
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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2022-08-12 Thread Adrien Monteleone

Yet another example of how awesome the GnuCash team is. Thanks John!

Regards,
Adrien

On 8/12/22 3:11 PM, John Ralls wrote:

That was it: The registers weren't refreshed unless the SLR dialog runs and the 
user clicks OK. I've pushed a fix that will be in tomorrow's nightlies 
(https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/maint and 
https://code.gnucash.org/builds/flatpak.maint).

Regards,
John Ralls



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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2022-08-12 Thread John Ralls
That was it: The registers weren't refreshed unless the SLR dialog runs and the 
user clicks OK. I've pushed a fix that will be in tomorrow's nightlies 
(https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/maint and 
https://code.gnucash.org/builds/flatpak.maint).

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Aug 12, 2022, at 8:48 AM, john  wrote:
> 
> That's just the noise from GnuCash not finding perl when deciding whether it 
> should enable online quote retrieval.
> 
> I have a new hypothesis that I wrote up on bug 794584: That line in the SLR 
> code only runs in the dialog's OK handler, and if you have only 
> automatic-creation SXes that don't require human intervention that particular 
> bit of code doesn't run. I haven't yet looked for the code that does run in 
> that case, but I asked there if changing any of the SXes to "notify" so that 
> that code does run causes the registers to refresh on their own.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 8:02 PM, Tom Veik  wrote:
>> 
>> The last time this occurred would be the first run on the 10th. Here is the 
>> contents of the trace file with the earliest time on that date:
>> 
>> * 07:53:46  WARN  [gnc_spawn_process_async()] Could not spawn 
>> perl: Failed to execute child process (No such file or directory)
>> * 07:53:46 ERROR <> gnc_process_get_fd: assertion 'proc' failed
>> * 07:53:46 ERROR <> gnc_detach_process: assertion 'proc && proc->pid' failed
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> On 8/11/2022 8:05 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>>> I'd go with bug: It's supposed to refresh all of the registers, see 
>>> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/41de4cefce621c214c0d6f6ff1c5ca05df8fd917/gnucash/gnome/dialog-sx-since-last-run.c#L1168
>>> 
>>> You may find in your trace file one or more error messages "suspend counter 
>>> not zero" from gnc_gui_refresh_all on a session where the SLR ran. That 
>>> would indicate that something else that's wrapping the SLR invocation has 
>>> also blocked gui refreshes. If that message isn't there then there's 
>>> something going wrong in gnc_gui_refresh_internal.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ralls
>>> 
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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2022-08-12 Thread john
That's just the noise from GnuCash not finding perl when deciding whether it 
should enable online quote retrieval.

I have a new hypothesis that I wrote up on bug 794584: That line in the SLR 
code only runs in the dialog's OK handler, and if you have only 
automatic-creation SXes that don't require human intervention that particular 
bit of code doesn't run. I haven't yet looked for the code that does run in 
that case, but I asked there if changing any of the SXes to "notify" so that 
that code does run causes the registers to refresh on their own.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Aug 11, 2022, at 8:02 PM, Tom Veik  wrote:
> 
> The last time this occurred would be the first run on the 10th. Here is the 
> contents of the trace file with the earliest time on that date:
> 
> * 07:53:46  WARN  [gnc_spawn_process_async()] Could not spawn 
> perl: Failed to execute child process (No such file or directory)
> * 07:53:46 ERROR <> gnc_process_get_fd: assertion 'proc' failed
> * 07:53:46 ERROR <> gnc_detach_process: assertion 'proc && proc->pid' failed
> 
> Tom
> 
> On 8/11/2022 8:05 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>> I'd go with bug: It's supposed to refresh all of the registers, see 
>> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/41de4cefce621c214c0d6f6ff1c5ca05df8fd917/gnucash/gnome/dialog-sx-since-last-run.c#L1168
>> 
>> You may find in your trace file one or more error messages "suspend counter 
>> not zero" from gnc_gui_refresh_all on a session where the SLR ran. That 
>> would indicate that something else that's wrapping the SLR invocation has 
>> also blocked gui refreshes. If that message isn't there then there's 
>> something going wrong in gnc_gui_refresh_internal.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2022-08-11 Thread Tom Veik
The last time this occurred would be the first run on the 10th. Here is 
the contents of the trace file with the earliest time on that date:


* 07:53:46  WARN  [gnc_spawn_process_async()] Could not spawn 
perl: Failed to execute child process (No such file or directory)

* 07:53:46 ERROR <> gnc_process_get_fd: assertion 'proc' failed
* 07:53:46 ERROR <> gnc_detach_process: assertion 'proc && proc->pid' failed

Tom

On 8/11/2022 8:05 PM, John Ralls wrote:

I'd go with bug: It's supposed to refresh all of the registers, see 
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/41de4cefce621c214c0d6f6ff1c5ca05df8fd917/gnucash/gnome/dialog-sx-since-last-run.c#L1168

You may find in your trace file one or more error messages "suspend counter not 
zero" from gnc_gui_refresh_all on a session where the SLR ran. That would indicate 
that something else that's wrapping the SLR invocation has also blocked gui refreshes. If 
that message isn't there then there's something going wrong in gnc_gui_refresh_internal.

Regards,
John Ralls


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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2022-08-11 Thread Glenn Fowler
Ok it looks like there are 2 open tickets already:

https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794584

https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796948

It doesn't look like they are getting any traction...

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 9:05 PM John Ralls  wrote:

> I'd go with bug: It's supposed to refresh all of the registers, see
> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/41de4cefce621c214c0d6f6ff1c5ca05df8fd917/gnucash/gnome/dialog-sx-since-last-run.c#L1168
>
> You may find in your trace file one or more error messages "suspend
> counter not zero" from gnc_gui_refresh_all on a session where the SLR ran.
> That would indicate that something else that's wrapping the SLR invocation
> has also blocked gui refreshes. If that message isn't there then there's
> something going wrong in gnc_gui_refresh_internal.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
> > On Aug 11, 2022, at 1:20 PM, Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
> >
> > I thought one was already opened. (but I admit I didn't search for it)
> >
> > If I recall correctly, it has to do with refreshing the register view.
> >
> > This seems to happen with registers that are left open at the last close
> and which re-open before the Since Last Run dialog fires.
> >
> > Though hitting [Enter] works to refresh, so does closing and opening the
> affected registers, as does View > Refresh. (CMD/CTRL+R)
> >
> > Other not so great options would be to close registers you have SX for
> each time you close GnuCash; (you'll end up opening them after the SX
> fires) or don't close GnuCash at all and just get in the habit of
> refreshing; (of course, then you also have to get in the habit of manually
> firing Since Last Run) or, go back to the previous SX settings which didn't
> cause this.
> >
> > As the function to refresh a register/report exists, I'm betting this
> falls more under 'enhancement' for an auto-refresh case.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > On 8/11/22 11:15 AM, Glenn Fowler wrote:
> >> I still consider this a bug and not a feature request since not seeing
> an
> >> up-to-date register could really throw things off.
> >> To the community and GnuCash team - should I open an issue in Bugzilla?
> >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 12:02 PM Tom Veik  wrote:
> >>> Replying to an old thread I found with a search.
> >>>
> >>> Using GnuCash version 4.11 on Windows 11.  I've been using GnuCash for
> a
> >>> few years and very happy with it.  I haven't seen this problem until
> >>> recently when I switched my scheduled transactions from no automatic
> >>> entry with reminders, to automatic advanced entry with no reminders.
> >>> Like Glenn, I have "run when the data file is opened" checked, and now
> I
> >>> see this same problem that the created transactions don't show up in
> the
> >>> register.  I was restarting GnuCash to see the new entries in the
> >>> register.  Appreciate the tip that pressinghelps.
> >>>
> >>> I haven't been able to find any other resolution in my search so I
> >>> though I'd just mention what I'm seeing here.
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2022-08-11 Thread John Ralls
I'd go with bug: It's supposed to refresh all of the registers, see 
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/41de4cefce621c214c0d6f6ff1c5ca05df8fd917/gnucash/gnome/dialog-sx-since-last-run.c#L1168

You may find in your trace file one or more error messages "suspend counter not 
zero" from gnc_gui_refresh_all on a session where the SLR ran. That would 
indicate that something else that's wrapping the SLR invocation has also 
blocked gui refreshes. If that message isn't there then there's something going 
wrong in gnc_gui_refresh_internal.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Aug 11, 2022, at 1:20 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I thought one was already opened. (but I admit I didn't search for it)
> 
> If I recall correctly, it has to do with refreshing the register view.
> 
> This seems to happen with registers that are left open at the last close and 
> which re-open before the Since Last Run dialog fires.
> 
> Though hitting [Enter] works to refresh, so does closing and opening the 
> affected registers, as does View > Refresh. (CMD/CTRL+R)
> 
> Other not so great options would be to close registers you have SX for each 
> time you close GnuCash; (you'll end up opening them after the SX fires) or 
> don't close GnuCash at all and just get in the habit of refreshing; (of 
> course, then you also have to get in the habit of manually firing Since Last 
> Run) or, go back to the previous SX settings which didn't cause this.
> 
> As the function to refresh a register/report exists, I'm betting this falls 
> more under 'enhancement' for an auto-refresh case.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 8/11/22 11:15 AM, Glenn Fowler wrote:
>> I still consider this a bug and not a feature request since not seeing an
>> up-to-date register could really throw things off.
>> To the community and GnuCash team - should I open an issue in Bugzilla?
>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 12:02 PM Tom Veik  wrote:
>>> Replying to an old thread I found with a search.
>>> 
>>> Using GnuCash version 4.11 on Windows 11.  I've been using GnuCash for a
>>> few years and very happy with it.  I haven't seen this problem until
>>> recently when I switched my scheduled transactions from no automatic
>>> entry with reminders, to automatic advanced entry with no reminders.
>>> Like Glenn, I have "run when the data file is opened" checked, and now I
>>> see this same problem that the created transactions don't show up in the
>>> register.  I was restarting GnuCash to see the new entries in the
>>> register.  Appreciate the tip that pressinghelps.
>>> 
>>> I haven't been able to find any other resolution in my search so I
>>> though I'd just mention what I'm seeing here.
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2022-08-11 Thread Adrien Monteleone

I thought one was already opened. (but I admit I didn't search for it)

If I recall correctly, it has to do with refreshing the register view.

This seems to happen with registers that are left open at the last close 
and which re-open before the Since Last Run dialog fires.


Though hitting [Enter] works to refresh, so does closing and opening the 
affected registers, as does View > Refresh. (CMD/CTRL+R)


Other not so great options would be to close registers you have SX for 
each time you close GnuCash; (you'll end up opening them after the SX 
fires) or don't close GnuCash at all and just get in the habit of 
refreshing; (of course, then you also have to get in the habit of 
manually firing Since Last Run) or, go back to the previous SX settings 
which didn't cause this.


As the function to refresh a register/report exists, I'm betting this 
falls more under 'enhancement' for an auto-refresh case.


Regards,
Adrien

On 8/11/22 11:15 AM, Glenn Fowler wrote:

I still consider this a bug and not a feature request since not seeing an
up-to-date register could really throw things off.

To the community and GnuCash team - should I open an issue in Bugzilla?

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 12:02 PM Tom Veik  wrote:


Replying to an old thread I found with a search.

Using GnuCash version 4.11 on Windows 11.  I've been using GnuCash for a
few years and very happy with it.  I haven't seen this problem until
recently when I switched my scheduled transactions from no automatic
entry with reminders, to automatic advanced entry with no reminders.
Like Glenn, I have "run when the data file is opened" checked, and now I
see this same problem that the created transactions don't show up in the
register.  I was restarting GnuCash to see the new entries in the
register.  Appreciate the tip that pressinghelps.

I haven't been able to find any other resolution in my search so I
though I'd just mention what I'm seeing here.



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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2022-08-11 Thread Glenn Fowler
I still consider this a bug and not a feature request since not seeing an
up-to-date register could really throw things off.

To the community and GnuCash team - should I open an issue in Bugzilla?

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 12:02 PM Tom Veik  wrote:

> Replying to an old thread I found with a search.
>
> Using GnuCash version 4.11 on Windows 11.  I've been using GnuCash for a
> few years and very happy with it.  I haven't seen this problem until
> recently when I switched my scheduled transactions from no automatic
> entry with reminders, to automatic advanced entry with no reminders.
> Like Glenn, I have "run when the data file is opened" checked, and now I
> see this same problem that the created transactions don't show up in the
> register.  I was restarting GnuCash to see the new entries in the
> register.  Appreciate the tip that pressinghelps.
>
> I haven't been able to find any other resolution in my search so I
> though I'd just mention what I'm seeing here.
>
> Tom
>
> On /Fri Oct 1 17:58:51 EDT 2021/, *Glenn Fowler* wrote:
>
> > I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings
> > have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as
> > expected but do not appear in the register until you press .
> > With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register
> until
> > I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them
> to
> > appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead
> of
> > trying to create a habit for myself to click  on every open?
> >
> > Thank you
> > Glenn
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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2022-08-11 Thread Tom Veik

Replying to an old thread I found with a search.

Using GnuCash version 4.11 on Windows 11.  I've been using GnuCash for a 
few years and very happy with it.  I haven't seen this problem until 
recently when I switched my scheduled transactions from no automatic 
entry with reminders, to automatic advanced entry with no reminders.  
Like Glenn, I have "run when the data file is opened" checked, and now I 
see this same problem that the created transactions don't show up in the 
register.  I was restarting GnuCash to see the new entries in the 
register.  Appreciate the tip that pressing    helps.


I haven't been able to find any other resolution in my search so I 
though I'd just mention what I'm seeing here.


Tom

On /Fri Oct 1 17:58:51 EDT 2021/, *Glenn Fowler* wrote:


I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings
have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as
expected but do not appear in the register until you press .
With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register until
I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them to
appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead of
trying to create a habit for myself to click  on every open?

Thank you
Glenn

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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2021-10-04 Thread David H
John, thanks for the clarification.

Cheers David H.


On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 07:43, John Ralls  wrote:

>
>
> > On Oct 4, 2021, at 2:18 PM, David H  wrote:
> >
> > The only thing I'm not sure about is what the difference is between
> clicking Cancel and clicking OK on the popup as I get the txns regardless
> :-)
>
> Probably because all of your transactions are set to create automatically,
> so the SLR is just telling you that they've been created.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2021-10-04 Thread John Ralls



> On Oct 4, 2021, at 2:18 PM, David H  wrote:
> 
> The only thing I'm not sure about is what the difference is between clicking 
> Cancel and clicking OK on the popup as I get the txns regardless :-)

Probably because all of your transactions are set to create automatically, so 
the SLR is just telling you that they've been created.

Regards,
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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2021-10-04 Thread David H
02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote:
> >>>>>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke,
> >>>> don't
> >>>>>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild
> >>>> your
> >>>>>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -derek
> >>>>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos.
> >>>>>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC  wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.  No issues to date
> >>>> that
> >>>>>>>> I can see.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Do I really need to update?  I only use the basis ledgers for
> >>>> standard
> >>>>>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled
> >>>>>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard
> >>>> transaction
> >>>>>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online
> >>>> transactions,
> >>>>>>>> imports, or business features.  Can I assume that the basics still
> >>>> work
> >>>>>>>> the same way?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it
> be
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>>> update?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need
> >>>> (hopefully not
> >>>>>>>> one for every point version)?
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:26:35 -0400
> >>>>> From: Derek Atkins 
> >>>>> To: AC , 
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest
> >>>>> Message-ID:
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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2021-10-04 Thread john
gt;>>> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:20:09 -0400
>>>>> From: Derek Atkins 
>>>>> To: AC , GnuCash users group
>>>>> 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <17c4317d9a8.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211...@ihtfp.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Basic features are all the same.
>>>>> Some options and reports changed along the way, so you might need to
>>>>> manually File - > Open your data file when you upgrade.  And you may
>>>> lose
>>>>> saved reports.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -derek
>>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos.
>>>>> On October 2, 2021 6:13:31 PM AC  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be
>>>>>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer
>>>>>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last,
>>>>>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x?  I'm
>>>>>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to
>>>>>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote:
>>>>>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke,
>>>> don't
>>>>>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild
>>>> your
>>>>>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -derek
>>>>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos.
>>>>>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.  No issues to date
>>>> that
>>>>>>>> I can see.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Do I really need to update?  I only use the basis ledgers for
>>>> standard
>>>>>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled
>>>>>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard
>>>> transaction
>>>>>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online
>>>> transactions,
>>>>>>>> imports, or business features.  Can I assume that the basics still
>>>> work
>>>>>>>> the same way?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> update?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need
>>>> (hopefully not
>>>>>>>> one for every point version)?
>>>>>>>> 
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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2021-10-04 Thread Glenn Fowler
;> >>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke,
>>> don't
>>> >>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild
>>> your
>>> >>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -derek
>>> >>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos.
>>> >>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.  No issues to date
>>> that
>>> >>>> I can see.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x
>>> and
>>> >>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Do I really need to update?  I only use the basis ledgers for
>>> standard
>>> >>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled
>>> >>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard
>>> transaction
>>> >>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online
>>> transactions,
>>> >>>> imports, or business features.  Can I assume that the basics still
>>> work
>>> >>>> the same way?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be
>>> to
>>> >>>> update?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments
>>> and
>>> >>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need
>>> (hopefully not
>>> >>>> one for every point version)?
>>> >>>>
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>>> > --
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>>> > Message: 5
>>> > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:26:35 -0400
>>> > From: Derek Atkins 
>>> > To: AC , 
>>> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest
>>> > Message-ID:
>>> > <17c431dbd78.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211...@ihtfp.com>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii"
>>> >
>>> > No, as far as I know, windows does not allow you to have multiple
>>> versions
>>> > installed.
>>> >
>>> > -derek
>>> > Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos.
>>> > On October 2, 2021 6:20:13 PM AC  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Actually, related to this:  Is there a straightforward way to try a
>>> >> version without having to go through a complete installation on
>>> Windows
>>> >> and without disturbing the existing installation?
>>> >>
>>> >> If it's possible then I could run 2.6.last and then 3.x stand-alone
>>> with
>>> >> a test copy of the file before jumping to 4.x and committing to the
>>> full
>>> >

Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2021-10-03 Thread Christina Martin
xcuse any typos.
On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC  wrote:


Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.  No issues to date that
I can see.

I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and
3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions:


Do I really need to update?  I only use the basis ledgers for standard
banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled
transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction
report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions,
imports, or business features.  Can I assume that the basics still work
the same way?

If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to
update?

I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and
if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not
one for every point version)?

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:30:44 -0400
From: Michael or Penny Novack 
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest
Message-ID: <8c43f2ab-a195-459f-c51f-1fa3e9420...@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

On 10/2/2021 6:11 PM, AC wrote:

I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be
replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer
installation is much more likely to happen in that case.

a) Yes, you only want to be making one "change" at a time << FAR easier
to "debug" if there are problems. Since you will not easily have your
current gnucash version available for installation o? the new machine,
best to update now, while still on the old machine, to a current version
you will have available for installing on the new machine.

b) Going to a new computer, you will want to be saving ALL of your data
(not just gnucash data). If the OS is remaining the same, this is
relatively simple. If the OS will be changing (different on the new
machine) this will not be simple unless the two OS's use the same user
data structure.

c) In case "b" applies, do not immediately begin the "restore form
backup". Get the software on, and in each case, see where it puts the
application user data. You can then see what files to replace/where.

Michael D Novack




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:37:34 -0500
From: Robin Chattopadhyay 
To: john 
Cc: Glenn Fowler , GnuCash users group

Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the
register until  is pressed
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I interpreted the question differently.

If you leave a register open from a prior session, it seems like the
register view doesn't refresh and display newly created transactions until
you perform some sort of other action that triggers a refresh. That's the
experience *I* thought Glenn was describing.

Robin

On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 4:56 PM john  wrote:





On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler  wrote:

Hello all,

I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings
have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as
expected but do not appear in the register until you press .
With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register

until

I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them

to

appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead

of

trying to create a habit for myself to click  on every open?


That's already possible,

Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2021-10-03 Thread Glenn Fowler
gt; >>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last,
> >>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last?
> >>>
> >>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x?  I'm
> >>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to
> >>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote:
> >>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x
> >>>>
> >>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it.
> >>>>
> >>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke,
> don't
> >>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your
> >>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions.
> >>>>
> >>>> -derek
> >>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos.
> >>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.  No issues to date
> that
> >>>>> I can see.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x
> and
> >>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do I really need to update?  I only use the basis ledgers for
> standard
> >>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled
> >>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard
> transaction
> >>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online
> transactions,
> >>>>> imports, or business features.  Can I assume that the basics still
> work
> >>>>> the same way?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be
> to
> >>>>> update?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments
> and
> >>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully
> not
> >>>>> one for every point version)?
> >>>>>
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> > From: Michael or Penny Novack 
> > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
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> > Message-ID: <8c43f2ab-a195-459f-c51f-1fa3e9420...@comcast.net>
> &g

Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2021-10-03 Thread Glenn Fowler
Yes Robin that is my issue. The only difference is I am opening GnuCash
after the scheduled time. Either way, the register doesn't refresh without
 or another action.

On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 6:37 PM Robin Chattopadhyay 
wrote:

> I interpreted the question differently.
>
> If you leave a register open from a prior session, it seems like the
> register view doesn't refresh and display newly created transactions until
> you perform some sort of other action that triggers a refresh. That's the
> experience *I* thought Glenn was describing.
>
> Robin
>
> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 4:56 PM john  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings
>> > have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as
>> > expected but do not appear in the register until you press .
>> > With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register
>> until
>> > I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them
>> to
>> > appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead
>> of
>> > trying to create a habit for myself to click  on every open?
>>
>> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the Overview
>> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>>
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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2021-10-02 Thread Christina Martin
(typically just the standard transaction
report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions,
imports, or business features.  Can I assume that the basics still work
the same way?

If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to
update?

I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and
if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not
one for every point version)?

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:30:44 -0400
From: Michael or Penny Novack 
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest
Message-ID: <8c43f2ab-a195-459f-c51f-1fa3e9420...@comcast.net>
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On 10/2/2021 6:11 PM, AC wrote:

I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be
replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer
installation is much more likely to happen in that case.

a) Yes, you only want to be making one "change" at a time << FAR easier
to "debug" if there are problems. Since you will not easily have your
current gnucash version available for installation o? the new machine,
best to update now, while still on the old machine, to a current version
you will have available for installing on the new machine.

b) Going to a new computer, you will want to be saving ALL of your data
(not just gnucash data). If the OS is remaining the same, this is
relatively simple. If the OS will be changing (different on the new
machine) this will not be simple unless the two OS's use the same user
data structure.

c) In case "b" applies, do not immediately begin the "restore form
backup". Get the software on, and in each case, see where it puts the
application user data. You can then see what files to replace/where.

Michael D Novack




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:37:34 -0500
From: Robin Chattopadhyay 
To: john 
Cc: Glenn Fowler , GnuCash users group

Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the
register until  is pressed
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I interpreted the question differently.

If you leave a register open from a prior session, it seems like the
register view doesn't refresh and display newly created transactions until
you perform some sort of other action that triggers a refresh. That's the
experience *I* thought Glenn was describing.

Robin

On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 4:56 PM john  wrote:





On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler  wrote:

Hello all,

I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings
have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as
expected but do not appear in the register until you press .
With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register

until

I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them

to

appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead

of

trying to create a habit for myself to click  on every open?


That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the Overview
page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2021-10-02 Thread Glenn Fowler
Hi John,

I already have "create automatically" checked and scheduled transactions do
create automatically as expected. The issue is if GnuCash is opened after
the transaction is created, they do not appear in the register until you
press  which can create issues because you are looking at an
out-of-date register.

On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 5:56 PM john  wrote:

>
>
> > On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler  wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings
> > have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as
> > expected but do not appear in the register until you press .
> > With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register
> until
> > I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them
> to
> > appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead
> of
> > trying to create a habit for myself to click  on every open?
>
> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the Overview
> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2021-10-02 Thread Robin Chattopadhyay
I interpreted the question differently.

If you leave a register open from a prior session, it seems like the
register view doesn't refresh and display newly created transactions until
you perform some sort of other action that triggers a refresh. That's the
experience *I* thought Glenn was describing.

Robin

On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 4:56 PM john  wrote:

>
>
> > On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler  wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings
> > have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as
> > expected but do not appear in the register until you press .
> > With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register
> until
> > I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them
> to
> > appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead
> of
> > trying to create a habit for myself to click  on every open?
>
> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the Overview
> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2021-10-02 Thread john



> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings
> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as
> expected but do not appear in the register until you press .
> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register until
> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them to
> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead of
> trying to create a habit for myself to click  on every open?

That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the Overview page 
of the Scheduled Transactions Editor.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2021-10-01 Thread Glenn Fowler
Hi David,

I have the show notification window and the review created transactions
selections off so in my case they should appear automatically.
With your preference they would be on.


On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 6:39 PM David Carlson 
wrote:

> Glen,
>
> I live in the other camp that wants to review every scheduled transaction
> as it is entered, so I set them all to remind in advance.
>
> I thought that if you configured them to Create Automatically it would
> work as you want.  Then you wouldn't even see a a Since Last Run pop up
> when starting GnuCash.  Maybe not.  However, if SLR does pop up, that
> would  serve as your prompt to accept the transactions.
>
> On Fri, Oct 1, 2021, 5:00 PM Glenn Fowler  wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings
>> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as
>> expected but do not appear in the register until you press .
>> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register until
>> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them to
>> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead of
>> trying to create a habit for myself to click  on every open?
>>
>> Thank you
>> Glenn
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Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2021-10-01 Thread David Carlson
Glen,

I live in the other camp that wants to review every scheduled transaction
as it is entered, so I set them all to remind in advance.

I thought that if you configured them to Create Automatically it would work
as you want.  Then you wouldn't even see a a Since Last Run pop up when
starting GnuCash.  Maybe not.  However, if SLR does pop up, that would
serve as your prompt to accept the transactions.

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021, 5:00 PM Glenn Fowler  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings
> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as
> expected but do not appear in the register until you press .
> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register until
> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them to
> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead of
> trying to create a habit for myself to click  on every open?
>
> Thank you
> Glenn
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[GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed

2021-10-01 Thread Glenn Fowler
Hello all,

I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings
have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as
expected but do not appear in the register until you press .
With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register until
I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them to
appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead of
trying to create a habit for myself to click  on every open?

Thank you
Glenn
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