Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-18 Thread David Carlson
I get thoroughly confused when I see all four words debit, credit, deposit
and withdrawal in the same sentence.

Are you really copying from and pasting to the same account?   If so, why
not just use the duplicate function.   If not, is the target account the
same type as the source?

Oh, which version of GnuCash are you using and your OS?



On Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 11:14 AM Jack Slater  wrote:

> When I tried to Copy a transaction from an account named Checking and Paste
> to the same account at a later date, the debit amount in the original
> Withdrawal column did not appear in the pasted transaction but the credit
> amount showed up in the Deposit column??
>
> I have screen captures of both if needed.
>
> I've copy/pasted transactions before and never noticed the problem.
>
> Jack in Illinois
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Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-18 Thread Jack Slater
I'm sure - it's hard for me to keep track too! Using my terms credit and
debit and then the column heading names from GC

Yes, copy and paste in the same account. Never knew duplicate existed.
Copy/Paste kind of a standard process for me for years in all sorts of
applications.  I'm certain I've done it many times before without this
issue (but old man memory unreliable!)

The accounts are all the same - its why I think Copy/Paste would perform
exactly that.

Windows 10 and GC version 4.11.



On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 12:00 PM David Carlson 
wrote:

> I get thoroughly confused when I see all four words debit, credit, deposit
> and withdrawal in the same sentence.
>
> Are you really copying from and pasting to the same account?   If so, why
> not just use the duplicate function.   If not, is the target account the
> same type as the source?
>
> Oh, which version of GnuCash are you using and your OS?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 11:14 AM Jack Slater  wrote:
>
>> When I tried to Copy a transaction from an account named Checking and
>> Paste
>> to the same account at a later date, the debit amount in the original
>> Withdrawal column did not appear in the pasted transaction but the credit
>> amount showed up in the Deposit column??
>>
>> I have screen captures of both if needed.
>>
>> I've copy/pasted transactions before and never noticed the problem.
>>
>> Jack in Illinois
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Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-18 Thread Stan Brown
On 2022-08-18 09:12, Jack Slater wrote:
> When I tried to Copy a transaction from an account named Checking and Paste
> to the same account at a later date, the debit amount in the original
> Withdrawal column did not appear in the pasted transaction but the credit
> amount showed up in the Deposit column??
> 
> I've copy/pasted transactions before and never noticed the problem.

Just a thought:

You might have better luck right-clicking on the transaction and
selecting Duplicate Transaction. That has always duplicated the entire
transaction for me, and it might even require fewer mouse clicks than
copy-paste.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
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Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-18 Thread Stan Brown
On 2022-08-18 10:49, Jack Slater wrote:
> I'm sure - it's hard for me to keep track too! Using my terms credit and
> debit and then the column heading names from GC

You might want to go into Edit » Preferences » Accounts and tick "Use
formal accounting labels". Like you, I find "Debit" and "Credit" easier
to understand than the "friendly" labels GC uses by default.

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Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-18 Thread Jack Slater
Good idea!

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 12:57 PM Stan Brown 
wrote:

> On 2022-08-18 10:49, Jack Slater wrote:
> > I'm sure - it's hard for me to keep track too! Using my terms credit and
> > debit and then the column heading names from GC
>
> You might want to go into Edit » Preferences » Accounts and tick "Use
> formal accounting labels". Like you, I find "Debit" and "Credit" easier
> to understand than the "friendly" labels GC uses by default.
>
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Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-18 Thread Jack Slater
Ya I can try that - if I can remember to do it!

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:04 PM Jack Slater  wrote:

> Good idea!
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 12:57 PM Stan Brown 
> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-08-18 10:49, Jack Slater wrote:
>> > I'm sure - it's hard for me to keep track too! Using my terms credit and
>> > debit and then the column heading names from GC
>>
>> You might want to go into Edit » Preferences » Accounts and tick "Use
>> formal accounting labels". Like you, I find "Debit" and "Credit" easier
>> to understand than the "friendly" labels GC uses by default.
>>
>> Stan Brown
>> Tehachapi, CA, USA
>> https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-18 Thread David Carlson
Stan,

Jack's method should work too.

It might give different results depending on whether the cursor is sitting
in the new transaction line or on an existing transaction while pasting.  I
haven't personally tried it.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 1:08 PM Jack Slater  wrote:

> Ya I can try that - if I can remember to do it!
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:04 PM Jack Slater 
> wrote:
>
> > Good idea!
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 12:57 PM Stan Brown 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2022-08-18 10:49, Jack Slater wrote:
> >> > I'm sure - it's hard for me to keep track too! Using my terms credit
> and
> >> > debit and then the column heading names from GC
> >>
> >> You might want to go into Edit » Preferences » Accounts and tick "Use
> >> formal accounting labels". Like you, I find "Debit" and "Credit" easier
> >> to understand than the "friendly" labels GC uses by default.
> >>
> >> Stan Brown
> >> Tehachapi, CA, USA
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Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-18 Thread Liz Dodd
On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 11:12:29 -0500
Jack Slater  wrote:

> When I tried to Copy a transaction from an account named Checking and
> Paste to the same account at a later date, the debit amount in the
> original Withdrawal column did not appear in the pasted transaction
> but the credit amount showed up in the Deposit column??
> 
> I have screen captures of both if needed.
> 
> I've copy/pasted transactions before and never noticed the problem.
> 
> Jack in Illinois


I have seen this happen when trying to move a transaction to another
account, for example when I entered the transaction in the cash ledger
and had really paid by card. When pasted into the card account, I would
find a deposit instead of a withdrawal.
I haven't ever taken the time to report and discuss the problem, but
learned that jumping to the Expense account involved and moving the
transaction from there was more reliable.
I have vague memories that it wasn't always like this, but I've been on
Gnucash since about V1.6 and I didn't pay attention to when this
started.
I haven't even tried it more recently to see if I can still reproduce
the problem.

Summary: I also think copy and paste of a transaction has problems.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-18 Thread Gyle McCollam
Liz,
Just wanted to mention that if you post to cash ledger and meant to post to a 
card, instead of cutting and pasting, in the cash ledger, you could click on 
the transaction and then the split icon.  Then click on the line for the cash 
ledger.  You will then have the down arrow for the account selection.  You can 
then select the appropriate card account and it will move the transaction and 
your debits and credits will be correct.  This may sound more involved, but it 
is a lot easier than it sounds and you don't have to move between accounts when 
cutting and pasting.


Thank You,

Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com>   email


From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of Liz Dodd 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2022 11:42 PM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 11:12:29 -0500
Jack Slater  wrote:

> When I tried to Copy a transaction from an account named Checking and
> Paste to the same account at a later date, the debit amount in the
> original Withdrawal column did not appear in the pasted transaction
> but the credit amount showed up in the Deposit column??
>
> I have screen captures of both if needed.
>
> I've copy/pasted transactions before and never noticed the problem.
>
> Jack in Illinois


I have seen this happen when trying to move a transaction to another
account, for example when I entered the transaction in the cash ledger
and had really paid by card. When pasted into the card account, I would
find a deposit instead of a withdrawal.
I haven't ever taken the time to report and discuss the problem, but
learned that jumping to the Expense account involved and moving the
transaction from there was more reliable.
I have vague memories that it wasn't always like this, but I've been on
Gnucash since about V1.6 and I didn't pay attention to when this
started.
I haven't even tried it more recently to see if I can still reproduce
the problem.

Summary: I also think copy and paste of a transaction has problems.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-18 Thread Stan Brown


On 2022-08-18 23:06, Gyle McCollam wrote:
> Just wanted to mention that if you post to cash ledger and meant to
> post to a card, instead of cutting and pasting, in the cash ledger, you
> could click on the transaction and then the split icon.  Then click on
> the line for the cash ledger.  You will then have the down arrow for the
> account selection.  You can then select the appropriate card account and
> it will move the transaction and your debits and credits will be
> correct.  This may sound more involved, but it is a lot easier than it
> sounds and you don't have to move between accounts when cutting and pasting.

This is what I do too, whenever I have a transaction in  the "wrong"
account.

Just like when entering a new transaction, you can use the drop-down
account list _or_ you can just type the account code, or the first few
characters of the account name. Those of us who prefer using the mouse
and those who prefer the keyboard are both accommodated. :-)

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-18 Thread David T. via gnucash-user
Liz, 

I think the issue really boils down to "what exactly is getting copied and 
pasted?"

I don't know the specifics, but as far as I understand it, a transaction in 
GnuCash looks unitary to the end user, but actually consists of a strange 
hybrid: a Transaction entry with (at least) two subsidiary splits. Each element 
has its own interconnected data that may or may not make sense when moved into 
another account. What happens when you change the context of a transaction will 
be unpredictable. 

David T. 

On August 19, 2022 6:42:15 AM GMT+03:00, Liz Dodd  wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 11:12:29 -0500
>Jack Slater  wrote:
>
>> When I tried to Copy a transaction from an account named Checking and
>> Paste to the same account at a later date, the debit amount in the
>> original Withdrawal column did not appear in the pasted transaction
>> but the credit amount showed up in the Deposit column??
>> 
>> I have screen captures of both if needed.
>> 
>> I've copy/pasted transactions before and never noticed the problem.
>> 
>> Jack in Illinois
>
>
>I have seen this happen when trying to move a transaction to another
>account, for example when I entered the transaction in the cash ledger
>and had really paid by card. When pasted into the card account, I would
>find a deposit instead of a withdrawal.
>I haven't ever taken the time to report and discuss the problem, but
>learned that jumping to the Expense account involved and moving the
>transaction from there was more reliable.
>I have vague memories that it wasn't always like this, but I've been on
>Gnucash since about V1.6 and I didn't pay attention to when this
>started.
>I haven't even tried it more recently to see if I can still reproduce
>the problem.
>
>Summary: I also think copy and paste of a transaction has problems.
>
>Liz
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Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-19 Thread Jack Slater
I totally agree with your entire remarks! Seems like it worked everywhere
before (not cash bets!). I have seen the "reverse" when pasting into a card
account as well and just figured that was the logic somehow, intended to
eventually ask but it was not a big deal.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:42 PM Liz Dodd  wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 11:12:29 -0500
> Jack Slater  wrote:
>
> > When I tried to Copy a transaction from an account named Checking and
> > Paste to the same account at a later date, the debit amount in the
> > original Withdrawal column did not appear in the pasted transaction
> > but the credit amount showed up in the Deposit column??
> >
> > I have screen captures of both if needed.
> >
> > I've copy/pasted transactions before and never noticed the problem.
> >
> > Jack in Illinois
>
>
> I have seen this happen when trying to move a transaction to another
> account, for example when I entered the transaction in the cash ledger
> and had really paid by card. When pasted into the card account, I would
> find a deposit instead of a withdrawal.
> I haven't ever taken the time to report and discuss the problem, but
> learned that jumping to the Expense account involved and moving the
> transaction from there was more reliable.
> I have vague memories that it wasn't always like this, but I've been on
> Gnucash since about V1.6 and I didn't pay attention to when this
> started.
> I haven't even tried it more recently to see if I can still reproduce
> the problem.
>
> Summary: I also think copy and paste of a transaction has problems.
>
> Liz
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Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-19 Thread Jack Slater
Not that I'm in any way wanting to go back to Quicken but I'm thinking that
it was never an issue to Copy/Paste To/From any type of account.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 1:46 AM David T. via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> Liz,
>
> I think the issue really boils down to "what exactly is getting copied and
> pasted?"
>
> I don't know the specifics, but as far as I understand it, a transaction
> in GnuCash looks unitary to the end user, but actually consists of a
> strange hybrid: a Transaction entry with (at least) two subsidiary splits.
> Each element has its own interconnected data that may or may not make sense
> when moved into another account. What happens when you change the context
> of a transaction will be unpredictable.
>
> David T.
>
> On August 19, 2022 6:42:15 AM GMT+03:00, Liz Dodd 
> wrote:
> >On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 11:12:29 -0500
> >Jack Slater  wrote:
> >
> >> When I tried to Copy a transaction from an account named Checking and
> >> Paste to the same account at a later date, the debit amount in the
> >> original Withdrawal column did not appear in the pasted transaction
> >> but the credit amount showed up in the Deposit column??
> >>
> >> I have screen captures of both if needed.
> >>
> >> I've copy/pasted transactions before and never noticed the problem.
> >>
> >> Jack in Illinois
> >
> >
> >I have seen this happen when trying to move a transaction to another
> >account, for example when I entered the transaction in the cash ledger
> >and had really paid by card. When pasted into the card account, I would
> >find a deposit instead of a withdrawal.
> >I haven't ever taken the time to report and discuss the problem, but
> >learned that jumping to the Expense account involved and moving the
> >transaction from there was more reliable.
> >I have vague memories that it wasn't always like this, but I've been on
> >Gnucash since about V1.6 and I didn't pay attention to when this
> >started.
> >I haven't even tried it more recently to see if I can still reproduce
> >the problem.
> >
> >Summary: I also think copy and paste of a transaction has problems.
> >
> >Liz
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Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-19 Thread David T. via gnucash-user
Since Quicken isn't a formal double entry accounting package, the data 
structures don't complicate things. I'd be curious to know whether QuickBooks 
allows copy and paste to or from any account...


On August 19, 2022 7:14:37 PM GMT+03:00, Jack Slater  
wrote:
>Not that I'm in any way wanting to go back to Quicken but I'm thinking that
>it was never an issue to Copy/Paste To/From any type of account.
>
>On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 1:46 AM David T. via gnucash-user <
>gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>
>> Liz,
>>
>> I think the issue really boils down to "what exactly is getting copied and
>> pasted?"
>>
>> I don't know the specifics, but as far as I understand it, a transaction
>> in GnuCash looks unitary to the end user, but actually consists of a
>> strange hybrid: a Transaction entry with (at least) two subsidiary splits.
>> Each element has its own interconnected data that may or may not make sense
>> when moved into another account. What happens when you change the context
>> of a transaction will be unpredictable.
>>
>> David T.
>>
>> On August 19, 2022 6:42:15 AM GMT+03:00, Liz Dodd 
>> wrote:
>> >On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 11:12:29 -0500
>> >Jack Slater  wrote:
>> >
>> >> When I tried to Copy a transaction from an account named Checking and
>> >> Paste to the same account at a later date, the debit amount in the
>> >> original Withdrawal column did not appear in the pasted transaction
>> >> but the credit amount showed up in the Deposit column??
>> >>
>> >> I have screen captures of both if needed.
>> >>
>> >> I've copy/pasted transactions before and never noticed the problem.
>> >>
>> >> Jack in Illinois
>> >
>> >
>> >I have seen this happen when trying to move a transaction to another
>> >account, for example when I entered the transaction in the cash ledger
>> >and had really paid by card. When pasted into the card account, I would
>> >find a deposit instead of a withdrawal.
>> >I haven't ever taken the time to report and discuss the problem, but
>> >learned that jumping to the Expense account involved and moving the
>> >transaction from there was more reliable.
>> >I have vague memories that it wasn't always like this, but I've been on
>> >Gnucash since about V1.6 and I didn't pay attention to when this
>> >started.
>> >I haven't even tried it more recently to see if I can still reproduce
>> >the problem.
>> >
>> >Summary: I also think copy and paste of a transaction has problems.
>> >
>> >Liz
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Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-19 Thread Jack Slater
No idea I've never used.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:42 PM David T.  wrote:

> Since Quicken isn't a formal double entry accounting package, the data
> structures don't complicate things. I'd be curious to know whether
> QuickBooks allows copy and paste to or from any account...
>
>
> On August 19, 2022 7:14:37 PM GMT+03:00, Jack Slater <
> theillini...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not that I'm in any way wanting to go back to Quicken but I'm
>> thinking that it was never an issue to Copy/Paste To/From any type of
>> account.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 1:46 AM David T. via gnucash-user <
>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Liz,
>>>
>>> I think the issue really boils down to "what exactly is getting copied
>>> and pasted?"
>>>
>>> I don't know the specifics, but as far as I understand it, a transaction
>>> in GnuCash looks unitary to the end user, but actually consists of a
>>> strange hybrid: a Transaction entry with (at least) two subsidiary splits.
>>> Each element has its own interconnected data that may or may not make sense
>>> when moved into another account. What happens when you change the context
>>> of a transaction will be unpredictable.
>>>
>>> David T.
>>>
>>> On August 19, 2022 6:42:15 AM GMT+03:00, Liz Dodd 
>>> wrote:
>>> >On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 11:12:29 -0500
>>> >Jack Slater  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> When I tried to Copy a transaction from an account named Checking and
>>> >> Paste to the same account at a later date, the debit amount in the
>>> >> original Withdrawal column did not appear in the pasted transaction
>>> >> but the credit amount showed up in the Deposit column??
>>> >>
>>> >> I have screen captures of both if needed.
>>> >>
>>> >> I've copy/pasted transactions before and never noticed the problem.
>>> >>
>>> >> Jack in Illinois
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I have seen this happen when trying to move a transaction to another
>>> >account, for example when I entered the transaction in the cash ledger
>>> >and had really paid by card. When pasted into the card account, I would
>>> >find a deposit instead of a withdrawal.
>>> >I haven't ever taken the time to report and discuss the problem, but
>>> >learned that jumping to the Expense account involved and moving the
>>> >transaction from there was more reliable.
>>> >I have vague memories that it wasn't always like this, but I've been on
>>> >Gnucash since about V1.6 and I didn't pay attention to when this
>>> >started.
>>> >I haven't even tried it more recently to see if I can still reproduce
>>> >the problem.
>>> >
>>> >Summary: I also think copy and paste of a transaction has problems.
>>> >
>>> >Liz
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Re: [GNC] Copy/Paste Transaction Issue

2022-08-19 Thread Liz
On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 06:06:18 +
Gyle McCollam  wrote:

> Liz,
> Just wanted to mention that if you post to cash ledger and meant to
> post to a card, instead of cutting and pasting, in the cash ledger,
> you could click on the transaction and then the split icon.  Then
> click on the line for the cash ledger.  You will then have the down
> arrow for the account selection.  You can then select the appropriate
> card account and it will move the transaction and your debits and
> credits will be correct.  This may sound more involved, but it is a
> lot easier than it sounds and you don't have to move between accounts
> when cutting and pasting.

I am doing that.
But I wanted to say that the copy/paste transaction item is problematic.
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