Re: [GNC] Preferences reset problem?

[Geert Janssens]

Op donderdag 1 juli 2021 05:19:58 CEST schreef John Ralls:
> > On Jun 30, 2021, at 2:52 AM, Geert Janssens 
> > wrote:> 
> > Op dinsdag 29 juni 2021 22:22:36 CEST schreef incoming-gnuc...@sabot.com:
> >> After gnucash 4.5 was announced, I tested upgrading to it on a
> >> standalone test machine (running flatpak on ubuntu 20.04), and
> >> 
> >> I encountered the issue later described here:
> >>  https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798194
> >> 
> >> where all my gnucash settings were lost.  On that same test machine, I
> >> tried downgrading to 4.4, but my settings were still gone.  This
> >> seemed kind of scary, so I put off upgrading my real machine pending a
> >> fix.
> >> 
> >> I see that the bug report linked to above includes some manual
> >> migration steps to export/re-import settings as a workaround, so I
> >> plan to just go ahead and try that (and I will go direct from 4.4 to
> >> 4.6, skipping 4.5).  But I thought I'd check in to make sure that
> >> there was no other pending/better way or automatic approach to this,
> >> or is the manual workaround the way to go?
> > 
> > So far there's no better workaround. You can either manually set your
> > preferences again or use the command provided in the bug report.
> > 
> > The short version of the issue is that a flatpak install of gnucash is as
> > if you install gnucash on a different machine, completely isolated from
> > your normal environment. There used to be a convenience to share
> > preferences between your normal environment and that "virtual" flatpak
> > machine. That convenience was dropped recently by the flatpak developers
> > (well, the gnome runtime developers really). Instead they provide a means
> > to automatically import settings from your main environment to the
> > flatpak "virtual" machine, but for historical reasons this can't work
> > with gnucash. So as for the convenience of having your preferences
> > magically available in the flatpak environment we're stuck between a rock
> > and a hard place unfortunately.> 
> >> If this issue affects all flatpak users, perhaps the release notes
> >> should reference the preferences issue and describe or link to the
> >> appropriate workaround?
> > 
> > That's a reasonable idea. I hope someone will do so.
> 
> Geert,
> 
> Can you elaborate on the historical reasons on
> https://github.com/flathub/org.gnucash.GnuCash/pull/43?
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls

Did so now.

Geert



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Re: [GNC] Preferences reset problem?

[John Ralls]

> On Jun 30, 2021, at 2:52 AM, Geert Janssens  
> wrote:
> 
> Op dinsdag 29 juni 2021 22:22:36 CEST schreef incoming-gnuc...@sabot.com:
>> After gnucash 4.5 was announced, I tested upgrading to it on a
>> standalone test machine (running flatpak on ubuntu 20.04), and
>> I encountered the issue later described here:
>> 
>>  https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798194
>> 
>> where all my gnucash settings were lost.  On that same test machine, I
>> tried downgrading to 4.4, but my settings were still gone.  This
>> seemed kind of scary, so I put off upgrading my real machine pending a
>> fix.
>> 
>> I see that the bug report linked to above includes some manual
>> migration steps to export/re-import settings as a workaround, so I
>> plan to just go ahead and try that (and I will go direct from 4.4 to
>> 4.6, skipping 4.5).  But I thought I'd check in to make sure that
>> there was no other pending/better way or automatic approach to this,
>> or is the manual workaround the way to go?
>> 
> So far there's no better workaround. You can either manually set your 
> preferences again or use the command provided in the bug report.
> 
> The short version of the issue is that a flatpak install of gnucash is as if 
> you install gnucash on a different machine, completely isolated from your 
> normal environment. There used to be a convenience to share preferences 
> between your normal environment and that "virtual" flatpak machine. That 
> convenience was dropped recently by the flatpak developers (well, the gnome 
> runtime developers really). Instead they provide a means to automatically 
> import settings from your main environment to the flatpak "virtual" machine, 
> but for historical reasons this can't work with gnucash. So as for the 
> convenience of having your preferences magically available in the flatpak 
> environment we're stuck between a rock and a hard place unfortunately.
> 
>> If this issue affects all flatpak users, perhaps the release notes
>> should reference the preferences issue and describe or link to the
>> appropriate workaround?
> 
> That's a reasonable idea. I hope someone will do so.

Geert,

Can you elaborate on the historical reasons on 
https://github.com/flathub/org.gnucash.GnuCash/pull/43?

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Preferences reset problem?

[Geert Janssens]

Op dinsdag 29 juni 2021 22:22:36 CEST schreef incoming-gnuc...@sabot.com:
> After gnucash 4.5 was announced, I tested upgrading to it on a
> standalone test machine (running flatpak on ubuntu 20.04), and
> I encountered the issue later described here:
> 
>   https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798194
> 
> where all my gnucash settings were lost.  On that same test machine, I
> tried downgrading to 4.4, but my settings were still gone.  This
> seemed kind of scary, so I put off upgrading my real machine pending a
> fix.
> 
> I see that the bug report linked to above includes some manual
> migration steps to export/re-import settings as a workaround, so I
> plan to just go ahead and try that (and I will go direct from 4.4 to
> 4.6, skipping 4.5).  But I thought I'd check in to make sure that
> there was no other pending/better way or automatic approach to this,
> or is the manual workaround the way to go?
> 
So far there's no better workaround. You can either manually set your 
preferences again or use the command provided in the bug report.

The short version of the issue is that a flatpak install of gnucash is as if 
you install gnucash on a different machine, completely isolated from your 
normal environment. There used to be a convenience to share preferences 
between your normal environment and that "virtual" flatpak machine. That 
convenience was dropped recently by the flatpak developers (well, the gnome 
runtime developers really). Instead they provide a means to automatically 
import settings from your main environment to the flatpak "virtual" machine, 
but for historical reasons this can't work with gnucash. So as for the 
convenience of having your preferences magically available in the flatpak 
environment we're stuck between a rock and a hard place unfortunately.

> If this issue affects all flatpak users, perhaps the release notes
> should reference the preferences issue and describe or link to the
> appropriate workaround?

That's a reasonable idea. I hope someone will do so.

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] Preferences reset

[John Ralls]

> On May 22, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Geert Janssens  
> wrote:
> 
> Op zaterdag 22 mei 2021 19:34:44 CEST schreef John Ralls:
> > > On May 22, 2021, at 4:00 AM, Geert Janssens 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > I have looked into this some more and filed bug
> > > https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798194 with more details.
> > > 
> > > The proper fix would require changes affecting all users, not only flatpak
> > > users (changes to how we store our preferences in GSettings). That's
> > > probably out of proportion with the benefit we'd have from this.
> > Well, all Linux users. The domain is already correct on macOS,
> > org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist. Would it change the HKLM\Software registry keys
> > on Windows?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
>  
> Interesting. What makes this different on MacOS vs Linux ? Where is this 
> defined ?

https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-on-osx/blob/c79543057f2a0efa21169ab6fccb31bebb731cd5/gnucash-bundler/Info.plist#L13

>  
> And more interestingly perhaps what are the key paths used inside of that 
> plist file ?

Looks like the paths inside the file *would* be affected, e.g. 
/org/gnucash/window/pages/account-tree/summary/start-choice-absolute

Regards,
John Ralls


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Re: [GNC] Preferences reset

[Geert Janssens]

Op zaterdag 22 mei 2021 19:34:44 CEST schreef John Ralls:
> > On May 22, 2021, at 4:00 AM, Geert Janssens 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I have looked into this some more and filed bug
> > https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798194 with more details.
> > 
> > The proper fix would require changes affecting all users, not only flatpak
> > users (changes to how we store our preferences in GSettings). That's
> > probably out of proportion with the benefit we'd have from this.
> Well, all Linux users. The domain is already correct on macOS,
> org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist. Would it change the HKLM\Software registry keys
> on Windows?
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls

Interesting. What makes this different on MacOS vs Linux ? Where is this 
defined ?

And more interestingly perhaps what are the key paths used inside of that plist 
file ?

Regards,

Geert

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Re: [GNC] Preferences reset

[John Ralls]

> On May 22, 2021, at 4:00 AM, Geert Janssens  
> wrote:
> 
> I have looked into this some more and filed bug 
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798194 with more details.
>  
> The proper fix would require changes affecting all users, not only flatpak 
> users (changes to how we store our preferences in GSettings). That's probably 
> out of proportion with the benefit we'd have from this.
>  

Well, all Linux users. The domain is already correct on macOS, 
org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist. Would it change the HKLM\Software registry keys on 
Windows?

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Preferences reset

[Glenn Fowler]

All,
That link is invalid, here is the correct link:
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798194

On Sat, May 22, 2021, 7:00 AM Geert Janssens 
wrote:

> I have looked into this some more and filed bug
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?
> id=798194[1]  with
> more details.
>
> The proper fix would require changes affecting all users, not only flatpak
> users (changes to
> how we store our preferences in GSettings). That's probably out of
> proportion with the benefit
> we'd have from this.
>
> Luckily there is a workaround that is fairly simple, involving two shell
> commands. They are
> detailed in the bug report.
>
> Regards,
>
> Geert
>
> Op zaterdag 3 april 2021 22:52:31 CEST schreef John Ralls:
> > I haven't noticed anything and so far everyone who's reported this uses
> the
> > flatpak build. My guess for the most likely cause is that we upgraded the
> > Gnome runtime and there's some change to GSettings in there.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> >
> > > On Apr 3, 2021, at 9:33 AM, David Carlson  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > So your file history was gone too.  I wonder if there is a comparable
> > > problem with Mac computers?
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 11:05 AM Mike  wrote:
> > >> Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. I forgot to add that when I clicked
> on
> > >> the desktop icon to start GC it opened a new database with no entries
> as
> > >> if
> > >> I were starting GC from scratch. I had to find the file and start it
> from
> > >> the file manager. I was worried that my data would be gone, but it was
> > >> only
> > >> my preferences that were gone.
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >>
> > >> On 4/3/21 9:49 AM, David Carlson wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Do you mean that GnuCash reset your preferences for you without any
> > >> action
> > >> on your part?
> > >>
> > >> That sounds like a bug to me.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 8:38 AM Mike via gnucash-user <
> > >>
> > >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> > >>> I just opened GC today and discovered that I had to reset all of my
> > >>> preferences. None of the entries were affected. Very strange, I've
> not
> > >>> had that happen before. I'm using GC Flatpak version 4.5 on Linux
> Mint
> > >>> 20.1 for those who are interested.
> > >>>
> > >>> Mike
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Re: [GNC] Preferences reset

[Geert Janssens]

As the description in the bug is fairly long and technical, I'll repeat the 
workaround steps here:
The migration is actually fairly easy to do manually. It involves these steps:
* if you care about current sandbox settings, move
  $HOME/.var/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/config/glib-2.0/settings/keyfile
  to some place safe
* run
  dconf dump /org/gnucash/ > \
  $HOME/.var/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/config/glib-2.0/settings/keyfile
* run
  perl -pi.bkp -e's!^[[]![org/gnucash/!' \
  $HOME/.var/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/config/glib-2.0/settings/keyfile
The long  commands are split in two lines. You can either copy them as 
presented here (with 
the backslash and newlines included)  or you can put each command on a single 
line, but then 
you have to remove the  backslash character from the command.

Regards,

Geert

Op zaterdag 22 mei 2021 13:00:58 CEST schreef Geert Janssens:
> I have looked into this some more and filed bug
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi? id=798194[1] with more details.
> 
> The proper fix would require changes affecting all users, not only flatpak
> users (changes to how we store our preferences in GSettings). That's
> probably out of proportion with the benefit we'd have from this.
> 
> Luckily there is a workaround that is fairly simple, involving two shell
> commands. They are detailed in the bug report.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Geert
> 
> Op zaterdag 3 april 2021 22:52:31 CEST schreef John Ralls:
> > I haven't noticed anything and so far everyone who's reported this uses
> > the
> > flatpak build. My guess for the most likely cause is that we upgraded the
> > Gnome runtime and there's some change to GSettings in there.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> > 
> > > On Apr 3, 2021, at 9:33 AM, David Carlson 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > So your file history was gone too.  I wonder if there is a comparable
> > > problem with Mac computers?
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 11:05 AM Mike  wrote:
> > >> Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. I forgot to add that when I clicked
> > >> on
> > >> the desktop icon to start GC it opened a new database with no entries
> > >> as
> > >> if
> > >> I were starting GC from scratch. I had to find the file and start it
> > >> from
> > >> the file manager. I was worried that my data would be gone, but it was
> > >> only
> > >> my preferences that were gone.
> > >> 
> > >> Mike
> > >> 
> > >> On 4/3/21 9:49 AM, David Carlson wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> Do you mean that GnuCash reset your preferences for you without any
> > >> action
> > >> on your part?
> > >> 
> > >> That sounds like a bug to me.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 8:38 AM Mike via gnucash-user <
> > >> 
> > >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> > >>> I just opened GC today and discovered that I had to reset all of my
> > >>> preferences. None of the entries were affected. Very strange, I've not
> > >>> had that happen before. I'm using GC Flatpak version 4.5 on Linux Mint
> > >>> 20.1 for those who are interested.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Mike
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Re: [GNC] Preferences reset

[Geert Janssens]

I have looked into this some more and filed bug 
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?
id=798194[1] with more details.

The proper fix would require changes affecting all users, not only flatpak 
users (changes to 
how we store our preferences in GSettings). That's probably out of proportion 
with the benefit 
we'd have from this.

Luckily there is a workaround that is fairly simple, involving two shell 
commands. They are 
detailed in the bug report.

Regards,

Geert

Op zaterdag 3 april 2021 22:52:31 CEST schreef John Ralls:
> I haven't noticed anything and so far everyone who's reported this uses the
> flatpak build. My guess for the most likely cause is that we upgraded the
> Gnome runtime and there's some change to GSettings in there.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> > On Apr 3, 2021, at 9:33 AM, David Carlson 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > So your file history was gone too.  I wonder if there is a comparable
> > problem with Mac computers?
> > 
> > On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 11:05 AM Mike  wrote:
> >> Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. I forgot to add that when I clicked on
> >> the desktop icon to start GC it opened a new database with no entries as
> >> if
> >> I were starting GC from scratch. I had to find the file and start it from
> >> the file manager. I was worried that my data would be gone, but it was
> >> only
> >> my preferences that were gone.
> >> 
> >> Mike
> >> 
> >> On 4/3/21 9:49 AM, David Carlson wrote:
> >> 
> >> Do you mean that GnuCash reset your preferences for you without any
> >> action
> >> on your part?
> >> 
> >> That sounds like a bug to me.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 8:38 AM Mike via gnucash-user <
> >> 
> >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> >>> I just opened GC today and discovered that I had to reset all of my
> >>> preferences. None of the entries were affected. Very strange, I've not
> >>> had that happen before. I'm using GC Flatpak version 4.5 on Linux Mint
> >>> 20.1 for those who are interested.
> >>> 
> >>> Mike
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Re: [GNC] Preferences reset

[John Ralls]

I haven't noticed anything and so far everyone who's reported this uses the 
flatpak build. My guess for the most likely cause is that we upgraded the Gnome 
runtime and there's some change to GSettings in there.

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Apr 3, 2021, at 9:33 AM, David Carlson  wrote:
> 
> So your file history was gone too.  I wonder if there is a comparable
> problem with Mac computers?
> 
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 11:05 AM Mike  wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. I forgot to add that when I clicked on
>> the desktop icon to start GC it opened a new database with no entries as if
>> I were starting GC from scratch. I had to find the file and start it from
>> the file manager. I was worried that my data would be gone, but it was only
>> my preferences that were gone.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> On 4/3/21 9:49 AM, David Carlson wrote:
>> 
>> Do you mean that GnuCash reset your preferences for you without any action
>> on your part?
>> 
>> That sounds like a bug to me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 8:38 AM Mike via gnucash-user <
>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> I just opened GC today and discovered that I had to reset all of my
>>> preferences. None of the entries were affected. Very strange, I've not
>>> had that happen before. I'm using GC Flatpak version 4.5 on Linux Mint
>>> 20.1 for those who are interested.
>>> 
>>> Mike
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Re: [GNC] Preferences reset

[David Carlson]

So your file history was gone too.  I wonder if there is a comparable
problem with Mac computers?

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 11:05 AM Mike  wrote:

> Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. I forgot to add that when I clicked on
> the desktop icon to start GC it opened a new database with no entries as if
> I were starting GC from scratch. I had to find the file and start it from
> the file manager. I was worried that my data would be gone, but it was only
> my preferences that were gone.
>
> Mike
>
> On 4/3/21 9:49 AM, David Carlson wrote:
>
> Do you mean that GnuCash reset your preferences for you without any action
> on your part?
>
> That sounds like a bug to me.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 8:38 AM Mike via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>
>> I just opened GC today and discovered that I had to reset all of my
>> preferences. None of the entries were affected. Very strange, I've not
>> had that happen before. I'm using GC Flatpak version 4.5 on Linux Mint
>> 20.1 for those who are interested.
>>
>> Mike
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Re: [GNC] Preferences reset

[Mike via gnucash-user]

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. I forgot to add that when I clicked on 
the desktop icon to start GC it opened a new database with no entries as 
if I were starting GC from scratch. I had to find the file and start it 
from the file manager. I was worried that my data would be gone, but it 
was only my preferences that were gone.


Mike

On 4/3/21 9:49 AM, David Carlson wrote:
Do you mean that GnuCash reset your preferences for you without any 
action on your part?


That sounds like a bug to me.



On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 8:38 AM Mike via gnucash-user 
mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote:


I just opened GC today and discovered that I had to reset all of my
preferences. None of the entries were affected. Very strange, I've
not
had that happen before. I'm using GC Flatpak version 4.5 on Linux
Mint
20.1 for those who are interested.

Mike
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Re: [GNC] Preferences reset

[David Carlson]

Do you mean that GnuCash reset your preferences for you without any action
on your part?

That sounds like a bug to me.



On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 8:38 AM Mike via gnucash-user 
wrote:

> I just opened GC today and discovered that I had to reset all of my
> preferences. None of the entries were affected. Very strange, I've not
> had that happen before. I'm using GC Flatpak version 4.5 on Linux Mint
> 20.1 for those who are interested.
>
> Mike
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