Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-12-21 Thread Bruce Irving via gnucash-user
Sorry!  I should have mentioned that it usually occurs when I "accidently" hit 
the enter key and have to go back and correct the entry, removing Orphan-USD.  
As I started to enter this, I realized that another occasional instance can 
occur when I duplicate an entry then try to remove a blank line.  In that case, 
it seems random. It is rare that I need to delete the first line.  Oh! And this 
is on Win10 Home
Bruce 

>Interesting and thanks for the info. I?d think that is a bug.

>I?m curious how the General Journal decides which split is the anchor or if it 
>always choose the first one, or chooses at random.


Regards,
Adrien

> On Dec 20, 2019 w51d354, at 10:47 AM, Bruce Irving via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> Adrien:  (but you can remove any split from the General Journal because it 
> doesn?t have a specific account anchor)
> I've been using GC since 2.6 and 99% of it is in General Journal.  
> Frequently, when I need to delete a split, I get the notice that it is 
> anchored.  Usually, I would open the transaction in one of the other accounts 
> and delete the offending line there.  Lately, I've had some luck setting the 
> amount to 0 and then being able to delete it.Bruce PS: I'm currently using 
> 3.6 and 3.7

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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-12-20 Thread Rich Shepard

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019, Adrien Monteleone wrote:


As I noted, they should be in the Transactions menu.


Adrien,

And the reason I missed it is that the menu item is 'Remove Other Splits'
and the Other was ambiguous to me. I like the right-click solution. :-)

Carpe weekend,

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-12-20 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Interesting and thanks for the info. I’d think that is a bug.

I’m curious how the General Journal decides which split is the anchor or if it 
always choose the first one, or chooses at random.


Regards,
Adrien

> On Dec 20, 2019 w51d354, at 10:47 AM, Bruce Irving via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> Adrien:  (but you can remove any split from the General Journal because it 
> doesn?t have a specific account anchor)
> I've been using GC since 2.6 and 99% of it is in General Journal.  
> Frequently, when I need to delete a split, I get the notice that it is 
> anchored.  Usually, I would open the transaction in one of the other accounts 
> and delete the offending line there.  Lately, I've had some luck setting the 
> amount to 0 and then being able to delete it.BrucePS: I'm currently using 3.6 
> and 3.7

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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-12-20 Thread Adrien Monteleone
As I noted, they should be in the Transactions menu.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Dec 20, 2019 w51d354, at 7:24 AM, Rich Shepard  
> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019, Geert Janssens wrote:
> 
>> The same commands are also in the normal gnucash menus. Right-clicking is
>> just a convenient shortcut.
> 
> Geert,
> 
> Good to know. I looked at all menus (except Business) and missed that
> function.
> 
> Happy holidays,
> 
> Rich

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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-12-20 Thread Bruce Irving via gnucash-user
Adrien:  (but you can remove any split from the General Journal because it 
doesn?t have a specific account anchor)
I've been using GC since 2.6 and 99% of it is in General Journal.  Frequently, 
when I need to delete a split, I get the notice that it is anchored.  Usually, 
I would open the transaction in one of the other accounts and delete the 
offending line there.  Lately, I've had some luck setting the amount to 0 and 
then being able to delete it.BrucePS: I'm currently using 3.6 and 3.7
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-12-20 Thread Rich Shepard

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019, Geert Janssens wrote:


The same commands are also in the normal gnucash menus. Right-clicking is
just a convenient shortcut.


Geert,

Good to know. I looked at all menus (except Business) and missed that
function.

Happy holidays,

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-12-20 Thread Geert Janssens
Op donderdag 19 december 2019 22:46:25 CET schreef Rich Shepard:
> On Thu, 19 Dec 2019, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > 1) Right click the split for the cash-back and choose ‘Delete Split’
> 
> Adrien,
> 
> Well, doh! I don't think of right-clicking on anything, probably because I
> do almost all my work in consoles.

The same commands are also in the normal gnucash menus. Right-clicking is just 
a convenient shortcut.

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-12-19 Thread Rich Shepard

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019, Adrien Monteleone wrote:


1) Right click the split for the cash-back and choose ‘Delete Split’


Adrien,

Well, doh! I don't think of right-clicking on anything, probably because I
do almost all my work in consoles.

That did the trick. And this message I'll save for the next time I forget.
:-)

Thanks very much,

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-12-19 Thread Stephen M. Butler
On 12/19/19 11:41 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:
> I think this thread appeared before but I don't have a saved solution.
> What
> surprises me is that I cannot find how to unsplit a transaction in the
> Guide
> or from a Web search.
>
> On occasion I'll use my debit card in the supermarket and get additional
> cash back to save a trip to a bank branch's ATM. I enter the
> transaction as
> a split: one offsetting account is Cash, the other is Groceries.
>
> The next time I want to enter a transaction for that supermarket (cash or
> debit) it defaults to 'split transaction' and no matter how I futz
> with the
> descriptions and amounts it refuses to change to Groceries as the cash
> offsetting account.
>
> Please explain how to do this and consider putting this information in
> the
> next version of the Guide and Manual.
>
> TIA,
>
> Rich 


Click on the split you don't want on this transaction.  Then click on
the DELETE icon on the top menu.  When you hover over it, it should say
"delete split".  If it says "Delete transaction" then you didn't put the
focus on the split.  Go back and click on the split and hover over the
DELETE to verify it now says "Delete split".

Alternatively, you can backspace all fields in the split and it should
disappear.  I haven't tried highlighting field by field and hitting the
delete key -- but that should also clean out the split field by field
until nothing is left of that split.

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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-12-19 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Rich,

You should be able to take one of several options:

1) Right click the split for the cash-back and choose ‘Delete Split’
2) Click in the first cell of the cash-back split, highlight the contents 
(likely the memo is the first cell with info) and click the delete key on your 
keyboard. Then tab to enter the next field with everything selected, hit the 
delete key again, repeat until you’ve tabbed to the end and then on to the next 
empty split. The cash-back split line will have been removed.
3) Select the cash-back split and use the menu option in Transactions > Delete 
split (same as the right-click option)

Then commit the transaction and it should no longer show as a split 
transaction. (technically *all* transactions are split, between at least 2 
accounts. I think the terminology could use some improvement, but I’m not sure 
what would be the best wording)

You can also choose instead to select the debit card split and choose (either 
in the right-click menu or the Transactions menu) to ‘Remove other splits’. 
This will leave you with needing to enter the groceries split again. (or some 
other account as needed) This is very useful when you have a long list of 
splits to get rid of. Note, you can’t delete the first instance of a split 
assigned to the current register as that is what anchors it to that account. 
(but you can remove any split from the General Journal because it doesn’t have 
a specific account anchor)

In the future, you can also find a previous transaction of the form you want 
(with or without the cash-back split), right-click (or use the Transactions 
menu) and choose ‘Duplicate Transaction’. (You have to be on the main 
transaction line, I believe to see this)

This will exactly duplicate that transaction for you on the date you specify in 
the pop-up. You will then be dropped into the transaction for editing where you 
can update the amounts as needed.

Regards,
Adrien




> On Dec 19, 2019 w51d353, at 1:41 PM, Rich Shepard  
> wrote:
> 
> I think this thread appeared before but I don't have a saved solution. What
> surprises me is that I cannot find how to unsplit a transaction in the Guide
> or from a Web search.
> 
> On occasion I'll use my debit card in the supermarket and get additional
> cash back to save a trip to a bank branch's ATM. I enter the transaction as
> a split: one offsetting account is Cash, the other is Groceries.
> 
> The next time I want to enter a transaction for that supermarket (cash or
> debit) it defaults to 'split transaction' and no matter how I futz with the
> descriptions and amounts it refuses to change to Groceries as the cash
> offsetting account.
> 
> Please explain how to do this and consider putting this information in the
> next version of the Guide and Manual.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Rich

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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-06 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Aha!

In File > Properties then, not Preferences.

I keep forgetting book properties even exist.

Thanks!

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jun 6, 2019, at 1:11 PM, Geert Janssens  wrote:
> 
> Op donderdag 6 juni 2019 19:27:37 CEST schreef David Carlson:
>> Adrien, I thought there was also an option to turn on or off the blue line
>> in the register after today's date. I cannot find that either.
> 
> Are you looking for File->Properties->Accounts->Day treshold for read-only 
> transactions ?
> 
> Geert
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-06 Thread Mike or Penny Novack

On 6/6/2019 10:07 AM, Stephen C. Camidge wrote:

For personal use and for most businesses, this would be the appropriate method. 
For larger businesses with EDP Auditors (do they still exist?) and regulations 
with accountability for the how data is maintained, the transactions should be 
locked. However, in that kind of environment, a free program like GNU Cash 
would not likely meet their needs or be permitted. So, it is safe to continue 
not to support that feature.

I will however point out, that for experienced computer professionals 
like myself, even proprietary "locked" systems would not be "locked".


The point I was making about open source programs was that in THAT case 
no great amount of skill/imagination would be required and it would be 
perfectly legal (to make your own version of the program sans lock). 
Only average programming skills of being able to read source code, edit 
it, and recompile.


Do note that large businesses with large DP shops would likely contain 
at least SOME people with the level of experience and imagination 
necessary to "break" into proprietary code << when I was altering 
programs without the source code (programs still in use but lost* source 
code) it was perfectly legal as they were our own proprietary programs >>


Secure systems are not secure from those who maintain their security. A 
proper audit takes this into account.


Michael D Novack

* Once upon a time, the source code of programs lived on decks of cards. 
Decades later (but many decades ago) somebody made all these programs 
members of a library on disk << in the case of where I worked, that 
somebody was me >>  If some of these decks of cards never were never 
handed in to be included in the batches being loaded to disk, the source 
code for those programs would later be impossible to find, cards having 
been thrown out. I had the joy of disassembling the lost puppies and 
rewriting the output of the disassembler into decently human readable 
form so the programs could be maintained/altered (disassembler output is 
gobbly-gook) That something WAS lost usually not discovered until there 
was some need to change it.


It is actually sort of fun, but only if you enjoy hard puzzles.

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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-06 Thread Geert Janssens
Op donderdag 6 juni 2019 19:27:37 CEST schreef David Carlson:
> Adrien, I thought there was also an option to turn on or off the blue line
> in the register after today's date. I cannot find that either.

Are you looking for File->Properties->Accounts->Day treshold for read-only 
transactions ?

Geert


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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-06 Thread David Carlson
Adrien, I thought there was also an option to turn on or off the blue line
in the register after today's date. I cannot find that either.


David Carlson

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 11:22 AM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> I could have sworn there was a simple (and easily defeat-able) locking
> mechanism based on number of days that had passed, but I can’t seem to find
> the preference.
>
> Perhaps I was imagining things.
>
> Regardless, if one wants to use correcting transactions, that is certainly
> still doable, and there is even a facility to have a reversing transaction
> entered for you via the Transaction menu.
>
> But I don’t think any of that was what the OP was dealing with. They were
> editing an auto-filled *new* transaction.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
> > On Jun 6, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Stephen C. Camidge 
> wrote:
> >
> > For personal use and for most businesses, this would be the appropriate
> method. For larger businesses with EDP Auditors (do they still exist?) and
> regulations with accountability for the how data is maintained, the
> transactions should be locked. However, in that kind of environment, a free
> program like GNU Cash would not likely meet their needs or be permitted.
> So, it is safe to continue not to support that feature.
> >
> > --
> > Stephen C. Camidge scami...@fastmail.fm   (519) 363-3912
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Mike or Penny Novack wrote:
> >> On 6/5/2019 3:45 PM, Stephen M. Butler wrote:
> >>
> >>>
>  If you did that, then you didn't properly remove the other splits.
> You
>  need to go into each cell and manually remove the data, then tab out..
>  Then use the arrow key to move up and the split will disappear.
> Continue
>  until all the extra splits are gone.
> >>
> >> Not a practical "how to do" answer but it might be a good time to
> >> mention that "how to correct" in general involves the question "how
> >> formal is your process"?
> >>
> >> In the old days, pen and ink on paper,  erroneous transactions were
> >> never removed. They were offset (enter the reverse transaction) and
> then
> >> the correct transaction entered. In other words, preserving an audit
> >> trail that there was an error that was corrected << the description
> >> fields would explain/refer to the erroneous transaction >>
> >>
> >> THIS PROCESS is still what is done by those of us required to maintain
> >> formal books. SOME accounting software will require it, not allow
> >> existing transactions to be deleted/altered. Might be required in some
> >> jurisdictions. There has been discussion in this forum that gnucash
> >> being unable to prevent deletion/alteration is a fault << that is, not
> >> offering this option -- in effect, open source software cannot provide
> >> this sort of security as those with programming ability could use an
> >> altered version of the program to defeat it >>
> >>
> >> HOWEVER -- most of us using gnucash are not following the formal
> >> process. WE will simply delete/alter erroneous transactions.
> >>
> >> Michael
>
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-06 Thread Adrien Monteleone
I could have sworn there was a simple (and easily defeat-able) locking 
mechanism based on number of days that had passed, but I can’t seem to find the 
preference.

Perhaps I was imagining things.

Regardless, if one wants to use correcting transactions, that is certainly 
still doable, and there is even a facility to have a reversing transaction 
entered for you via the Transaction menu.

But I don’t think any of that was what the OP was dealing with. They were 
editing an auto-filled *new* transaction.

Regards,
Adrien
> On Jun 6, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Stephen C. Camidge  wrote:
> 
> For personal use and for most businesses, this would be the appropriate 
> method. For larger businesses with EDP Auditors (do they still exist?) and 
> regulations with accountability for the how data is maintained, the 
> transactions should be locked. However, in that kind of environment, a free 
> program like GNU Cash would not likely meet their needs or be permitted. So, 
> it is safe to continue not to support that feature.
> 
> -- 
> Stephen C. Camidge scami...@fastmail.fm   (519) 363-3912
> 
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Mike or Penny Novack wrote:
>> On 6/5/2019 3:45 PM, Stephen M. Butler wrote:
>> 
>>> 
 If you did that, then you didn't properly remove the other splits.  You
 need to go into each cell and manually remove the data, then tab out..
 Then use the arrow key to move up and the split will disappear.  Continue
 until all the extra splits are gone.
>> 
>> Not a practical "how to do" answer but it might be a good time to 
>> mention that "how to correct" in general involves the question "how 
>> formal is your process"?
>> 
>> In the old days, pen and ink on paper,  erroneous transactions were 
>> never removed. They were offset (enter the reverse transaction) and then 
>> the correct transaction entered. In other words, preserving an audit 
>> trail that there was an error that was corrected << the description 
>> fields would explain/refer to the erroneous transaction >>
>> 
>> THIS PROCESS is still what is done by those of us required to maintain 
>> formal books. SOME accounting software will require it, not allow 
>> existing transactions to be deleted/altered. Might be required in some 
>> jurisdictions. There has been discussion in this forum that gnucash 
>> being unable to prevent deletion/alteration is a fault << that is, not 
>> offering this option -- in effect, open source software cannot provide 
>> this sort of security as those with programming ability could use an 
>> altered version of the program to defeat it >>
>> 
>> HOWEVER -- most of us using gnucash are not following the formal 
>> process. WE will simply delete/alter erroneous transactions.
>> 
>> Michael


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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-06 Thread David Carlson
I think we are mostly talking about removing errors in new transactions
before they are initially committed,  not removing old errors.  If every
sloppy keystroke or cat--track had to stay, we would never get anything
done.

David Carlson

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 9:09 AM Stephen C. Camidge 
wrote:

> For personal use and for most businesses, this would be the appropriate
> method. For larger businesses with EDP Auditors (do they still exist?) and
> regulations with accountability for the how data is maintained, the
> transactions should be locked. However, in that kind of environment, a free
> program like GNU Cash would not likely meet their needs or be permitted.
> So, it is safe to continue not to support that feature.
>
> --
> Stephen C. Camidge scami...@fastmail.fm   (519) 363-3912
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Mike or Penny Novack wrote:
> > On 6/5/2019 3:45 PM, Stephen M. Butler wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >> If you did that, then you didn't properly remove the other splits.
> You
> > >> need to go into each cell and manually remove the data, then tab out..
> > >> Then use the arrow key to move up and the split will disappear.
> Continue
> > >> until all the extra splits are gone.
> >
> > Not a practical "how to do" answer but it might be a good time to
> > mention that "how to correct" in general involves the question "how
> > formal is your process"?
> >
> > In the old days, pen and ink on paper,  erroneous transactions were
> > never removed. They were offset (enter the reverse transaction) and then
> > the correct transaction entered. In other words, preserving an audit
> > trail that there was an error that was corrected << the description
> > fields would explain/refer to the erroneous transaction >>
> >
> > THIS PROCESS is still what is done by those of us required to maintain
> > formal books. SOME accounting software will require it, not allow
> > existing transactions to be deleted/altered. Might be required in some
> > jurisdictions. There has been discussion in this forum that gnucash
> > being unable to prevent deletion/alteration is a fault << that is, not
> > offering this option -- in effect, open source software cannot provide
> > this sort of security as those with programming ability could use an
> > altered version of the program to defeat it >>
> >
> > HOWEVER -- most of us using gnucash are not following the formal
> > process. WE will simply delete/alter erroneous transactions.
> >
> > Michael
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-06 Thread Stephen C. Camidge
For personal use and for most businesses, this would be the appropriate method. 
For larger businesses with EDP Auditors (do they still exist?) and regulations 
with accountability for the how data is maintained, the transactions should be 
locked. However, in that kind of environment, a free program like GNU Cash 
would not likely meet their needs or be permitted. So, it is safe to continue 
not to support that feature.

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On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Mike or Penny Novack wrote:
> On 6/5/2019 3:45 PM, Stephen M. Butler wrote:
> 
> >
> >> If you did that, then you didn't properly remove the other splits.  You
> >> need to go into each cell and manually remove the data, then tab out..
> >> Then use the arrow key to move up and the split will disappear.  Continue
> >> until all the extra splits are gone.
> 
> Not a practical "how to do" answer but it might be a good time to 
> mention that "how to correct" in general involves the question "how 
> formal is your process"?
> 
> In the old days, pen and ink on paper,  erroneous transactions were 
> never removed. They were offset (enter the reverse transaction) and then 
> the correct transaction entered. In other words, preserving an audit 
> trail that there was an error that was corrected << the description 
> fields would explain/refer to the erroneous transaction >>
> 
> THIS PROCESS is still what is done by those of us required to maintain 
> formal books. SOME accounting software will require it, not allow 
> existing transactions to be deleted/altered. Might be required in some 
> jurisdictions. There has been discussion in this forum that gnucash 
> being unable to prevent deletion/alteration is a fault << that is, not 
> offering this option -- in effect, open source software cannot provide 
> this sort of security as those with programming ability could use an 
> altered version of the program to defeat it >>
> 
> HOWEVER -- most of us using gnucash are not following the formal 
> process. WE will simply delete/alter erroneous transactions.
> 
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-06 Thread Mike or Penny Novack

On 6/5/2019 3:45 PM, Stephen M. Butler wrote:




If you did that, then you didn't properly remove the other splits.  You
need to go into each cell and manually remove the data, then tab out..
Then use the arrow key to move up and the split will disappear.  Continue
until all the extra splits are gone.


Not a practical "how to do" answer but it might be a good time to 
mention that "how to correct" in general involves the question "how 
formal is your process"?


In the old days, pen and ink on paper,  erroneous transactions were 
never removed. They were offset (enter the reverse transaction) and then 
the correct transaction entered. In other words, preserving an audit 
trail that there was an error that was corrected << the description 
fields would explain/refer to the erroneous transaction >>


THIS PROCESS is still what is done by those of us required to maintain 
formal books. SOME accounting software will require it, not allow 
existing transactions to be deleted/altered. Might be required in some 
jurisdictions. There has been discussion in this forum that gnucash 
being unable to prevent deletion/alteration is a fault << that is, not 
offering this option -- in effect, open source software cannot provide 
this sort of security as those with programming ability could use an 
altered version of the program to defeat it >>


HOWEVER -- most of us using gnucash are not following the formal 
process. WE will simply delete/alter erroneous transactions.


Michael
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-05 Thread Robert Heller
At Wed, 5 Jun 2019 11:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Rich Shepard  
wrote:

> 
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Derek Atkins wrote:
> 
> > Expand it and remove all the other splits.
> 
> Derek,
> 
> That's what I tried before writing. I left only the credit and an expense
> debit. When I saved the transaction it still showed 'split' and had empty
> rows.

Removing the other splits means removing *everthing* on those lines. not just 
the ammounts.  At least that is what works for me (I am using 2.4.15 under 
CentOS 6).

> 
> > Or you can expand and right click -> remove splits (I *think* that is the
> > correct phrasing)
> 
> Well, there was a 'delete splits' option which did nothing for me but wipe
> out the 'split' in the transfer column and the amount in the credit column.
> I couldn't fix it so I essentially re-created the transaction.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-05 Thread Adrien Monteleone
I think it’s just a matter of whatever is the optimum workflow for the 
situation.

Some of my auto-fill transaction details include 10 or more splits. It is much 
easier to keep the anchor split and choose to ‘delete other splits’ than to 
remove the other 9 one at a time. But If I only want to change one or two, 
certainly, deleting (or just re-assigning) those is much quicker to complete 
the entire entry.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jun 5, 2019, at 2:45 PM, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> You can also delete the individual split lines.  I find that more intuitive.
> 


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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-05 Thread Adrien Monteleone
It shouldn’t make a difference as long as you’re still deleting all of the 
split information.

If it does behave differently by method (keyboard vs. mouse focus; menu, 
toolbar, context menu, or delete/backspace) then that I think is a bug. All 
methods should produce the same result for this case as they are simply 
different ways to accomplish the same end task.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jun 5, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Rich Shepard  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, David Carlson wrote:
> 
> 
> David,
> 
> Because GnuCash has a GUI I tend to use the trackball to place the cursor in
> a different field, not the tab key. As I responded to Derek, that probably
> makes a difference in how the application acts.
> 
> Yep.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Rich


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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-05 Thread Adrien Monteleone
I had a bug filed on this lack of warning: 
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796978, which it looks like Bob had a 
fix pushed for 3.4.

I don’t think I’ve tested it since. I’ll give it a go and see what happens.

Ideally, the check for lack of an anchoring split shouldn’t happen till the 
user commits the transaction. If editing is still going on, the user might 
still add an anchoring split. But that would be another bug report or an RFE.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jun 5, 2019, at 1:56 PM, David T. via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> David,
> 
> If you delete the split for the current register, there is nothing binding 
> the transaction to the current register, so of course it will "disappear" 
> from this register. 
> 
> David
> 
> 
>  On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 14:49, David Carlson 
> wrote:...
> 
> The main caveat is if that is done in the last or only row containing the
> account register name of the current view, the entire transaction seems to
> disappear out of that register view without warning, but it still exists in
> the general ledger and the register views of the other split lines.  In my
> case that process takes several seconds and it is irreversible if done by
> accident.
> 

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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-05 Thread Colin Law
It is not necessary to expand the transaction into split mode at all..
If you normally operate in non-split mode then just right click and
select Remove Other Splits.

Colin

On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 20:49, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
>
> On 6/5/19 11:45 AM, Derek Atkins wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Wed, June 5, 2019 2:34 pm, Rich Shepard wrote:
> >> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Derek Atkins wrote:
> >>
> >>> Expand it and remove all the other splits.
> >> Derek,
> >>
> >> That's what I tried before writing. I left only the credit and an expense
> >> debit. When I saved the transaction it still showed 'split' and had empty
> >> rows.
> > If you did that, then you didn't properly remove the other splits.  You
> > need to go into each cell and manually remove the data, then tab out..
> > Then use the arrow key to move up and the split will disappear.  Continue
> > until all the extra splits are gone.
> >
> >>> Or you can expand and right click -> remove splits (I *think* that is
> >>> the
> >>> correct phrasing)
> >> Well, there was a 'delete splits' option which did nothing for me but wipe
> >> out the 'split' in the transfer column and the amount in the credit
> >> column.
> >> I couldn't fix it so I essentially re-created the transaction.
> > I just looked.  It's right-click -> remove other splits.
> >
> > Make sure you have the anchor split selected when you do this.
> > Then you'll need to re-add the correct "other" split and properly set the
> > debits and credits.
>
>
> You can also delete the individual split lines.  I find that more intuitive.
>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-05 Thread Stephen M. Butler
On 6/5/19 11:45 AM, Derek Atkins wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, June 5, 2019 2:34 pm, Rich Shepard wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Derek Atkins wrote:
>>
>>> Expand it and remove all the other splits.
>> Derek,
>>
>> That's what I tried before writing. I left only the credit and an expense
>> debit. When I saved the transaction it still showed 'split' and had empty
>> rows.
> If you did that, then you didn't properly remove the other splits.  You
> need to go into each cell and manually remove the data, then tab out.. 
> Then use the arrow key to move up and the split will disappear.  Continue
> until all the extra splits are gone.
>
>>> Or you can expand and right click -> remove splits (I *think* that is
>>> the
>>> correct phrasing)
>> Well, there was a 'delete splits' option which did nothing for me but wipe
>> out the 'split' in the transfer column and the amount in the credit
>> column.
>> I couldn't fix it so I essentially re-created the transaction.
> I just looked.  It's right-click -> remove other splits.
>
> Make sure you have the anchor split selected when you do this.
> Then you'll need to re-add the correct "other" split and properly set the
> debits and credits.


You can also delete the individual split lines.  I find that more intuitive.

>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-05 Thread Rich Shepard

On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, David Carlson wrote:


It has always been my custom to start from the left in the row that I want
to delete and alternately hit delete and tab across until the split
disappears completely. I am not sure if that is the only way to do it, but
I got into that habit long ago.


David,

Because GnuCash has a GUI I tend to use the trackball to place the cursor in
a different field, not the tab key. As I responded to Derek, that probably
makes a difference in how the application acts.


The main caveat is if that is done in the last or only row containing the
account register name of the current view, the entire transaction seems to
disappear out of that register view without warning, but it still exists
in the general ledger and the register views of the other split lines. In
my case that process takes several seconds and it is irreversible if done
by accident.


Yep.

Many thanks,

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-05 Thread Rich Shepard

On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Derek Atkins wrote:


If you did that, then you didn't properly remove the other splits. You
need to go into each cell and manually remove the data, then tab out..
Then use the arrow key to move up and the split will disappear. Continue
until all the extra splits are gone.


Derek,

Ah, I moved from cell-to-cell with the pointer, not with the tab key. That
probably makes all the difference.


I just looked.  It's right-click -> remove other splits.

Make sure you have the anchor split selected when you do this.
Then you'll need to re-add the correct "other" split and properly set the
debits and credits.


Thanks,

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-05 Thread David Carlson
Stan,


On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 2:07 PM Stan Brown 
wrote:

>
> On 2019-06-05 14:47, David Carlson wrote:
> > It has always been my custom to start from the left in the row that
> > I want to delete and alternately hit delete and tab across until the
> > split disappears completely. I am not sure if that is the only way to
> > do it, but I got into that habit long ago.
> Is that really necessary in 3.5? It's certainly NOT necessary in 2.6.19,
> which I'm using.
>
> Click anywhere in the split (line item) that you want to delete, then
> click the red slash-in-a-circle (Delete) icon in the toolbar. You get a
> confirming prompt which specifically mentions you're about to delete a
> split -- a single line item within a transaction.
>
> There's absolutely no need to delete any numbers first -- I've just
> verified this by trying it.
>
> (The confirming prompt contains a check box "Remember and don't ask me
> again."  If you don't get the prompt, most likely you ticked that box at
> some point and forgot about it.)
>
> BTW, GnuCash won't let you delete a split that belongs to the account
> register you're working in. For example, if you have the "Yard
> Maintenance" account open and are editing a transaction in that account
> register, you can't delete a split identifying the Yard Maintenance
> account. You _can_ edit that split to identify a different account, and
> then delete it. If you do that, be sure to make all changes before
> pressing Enter, because the transaction will disappear from the "Yard
> Maintenance" register as soon as you do. Of course you can still find it
> in the account register for any of the remaining splits.
>
> That is a change from 2.6.xx, because in that family, as I stated,
deleting the account name from the "anchor" line and tabbing off of the
"anchor" line makes it disappear without warning from that register view.

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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-05 Thread Stan Brown


On 2019-06-05 14:47, David Carlson wrote:
> It has always been my custom to start from the left in the row that
> I want to delete and alternately hit delete and tab across until the
> split disappears completely. I am not sure if that is the only way to
> do it, but I got into that habit long ago.
Is that really necessary in 3.5? It's certainly NOT necessary in 2.6.19,
which I'm using.

Click anywhere in the split (line item) that you want to delete, then
click the red slash-in-a-circle (Delete) icon in the toolbar. You get a
confirming prompt which specifically mentions you're about to delete a
split -- a single line item within a transaction.

There's absolutely no need to delete any numbers first -- I've just
verified this by trying it.

(The confirming prompt contains a check box "Remember and don't ask me
again."  If you don't get the prompt, most likely you ticked that box at
some point and forgot about it.)

BTW, GnuCash won't let you delete a split that belongs to the account
register you're working in. For example, if you have the "Yard
Maintenance" account open and are editing a transaction in that account
register, you can't delete a split identifying the Yard Maintenance
account. You _can_ edit that split to identify a different account, and
then delete it. If you do that, be sure to make all changes before
pressing Enter, because the transaction will disappear from the "Yard
Maintenance" register as soon as you do. Of course you can still find it
in the account register for any of the remaining splits.

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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-05 Thread David T. via gnucash-user

David,

If you delete the split for the current register, there is nothing binding the 
transaction to the current register, so of course it will "disappear" from this 
register. 

David
 
 
  On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 14:49, David Carlson 
wrote:   It has always been my custom to start from the left in the row that I 
want
to delete and alternately hit delete and tab across until the split
disappears completely.  I am not sure if that is the only way to do it, but
I got into that habit long ago.

The main caveat is if that is done in the last or only row containing the
account register name of the current view, the entire transaction seems to
disappear out of that register view without warning, but it still exists in
the general ledger and the register views of the other split lines.  In my
case that process takes several seconds and it is irreversible if done by
accident.



On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 1:35 PM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Derek Atkins wrote:
>
> > Expand it and remove all the other splits.
>
> Derek,
>
> That's what I tried before writing. I left only the credit and an expense
> debit. When I saved the transaction it still showed 'split' and had empty
> rows.
>
> > Or you can expand and right click -> remove splits (I *think* that is the
> > correct phrasing)
>
> Well, there was a 'delete splits' option which did nothing for me but wipe
> out the 'split' in the transfer column and the amount in the credit column.
> I couldn't fix it so I essentially re-created the transaction.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-05 Thread David Carlson
It has always been my custom to start from the left in the row that I want
to delete and alternately hit delete and tab across until the split
disappears completely.  I am not sure if that is the only way to do it, but
I got into that habit long ago.

The main caveat is if that is done in the last or only row containing the
account register name of the current view, the entire transaction seems to
disappear out of that register view without warning, but it still exists in
the general ledger and the register views of the other split lines.  In my
case that process takes several seconds and it is irreversible if done by
accident.



On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 1:35 PM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Derek Atkins wrote:
>
> > Expand it and remove all the other splits.
>
> Derek,
>
> That's what I tried before writing. I left only the credit and an expense
> debit. When I saved the transaction it still showed 'split' and had empty
> rows.
>
> > Or you can expand and right click -> remove splits (I *think* that is the
> > correct phrasing)
>
> Well, there was a 'delete splits' option which did nothing for me but wipe
> out the 'split' in the transfer column and the amount in the credit column.
> I couldn't fix it so I essentially re-created the transaction.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-05 Thread Derek Atkins
Hi,

On Wed, June 5, 2019 2:34 pm, Rich Shepard wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Derek Atkins wrote:
>
>> Expand it and remove all the other splits.
>
> Derek,
>
> That's what I tried before writing. I left only the credit and an expense
> debit. When I saved the transaction it still showed 'split' and had empty
> rows.

If you did that, then you didn't properly remove the other splits.  You
need to go into each cell and manually remove the data, then tab out.. 
Then use the arrow key to move up and the split will disappear.  Continue
until all the extra splits are gone.

>> Or you can expand and right click -> remove splits (I *think* that is
>> the
>> correct phrasing)
>
> Well, there was a 'delete splits' option which did nothing for me but wipe
> out the 'split' in the transfer column and the amount in the credit
> column.
> I couldn't fix it so I essentially re-created the transaction.

I just looked.  It's right-click -> remove other splits.

Make sure you have the anchor split selected when you do this.
Then you'll need to re-add the correct "other" split and properly set the
debits and credits.

> Thanks,
>
> Rich

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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-05 Thread Rich Shepard

On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Derek Atkins wrote:


Expand it and remove all the other splits.


Derek,

That's what I tried before writing. I left only the credit and an expense
debit. When I saved the transaction it still showed 'split' and had empty
rows.


Or you can expand and right click -> remove splits (I *think* that is the
correct phrasing)


Well, there was a 'delete splits' option which did nothing for me but wipe
out the 'split' in the transfer column and the amount in the credit column.
I couldn't fix it so I essentially re-created the transaction.

Thanks,

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

2019-06-05 Thread Derek Atkins
Expand it and remove all the other splits.
Or you can expand and right click -> remove splits (I *think* that is the
correct phrasing)
-derek

On Wed, June 5, 2019 2:21 pm, Rich Shepard wrote:
> Sometimes a new transaction for a previous payee copies the split
> transfer,
> but the current transaction is not split. Searching the guide and help
> manuals for 'unsplit' finds nothing. I think there was a long ago thread
> on
> unsplitting a transaction but I have no record of that here.
>
> What is the process to convert a split transaction to a single expense
> account?
>
> Rich
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